Reason: Templates

[Jensen]

Damn.. just got my freesite domain blocked (pornzite.com) (atleast I think since it's seriously hard to get anything useful out of usefulscripts.com)...

Currently have 20 different looking templates that I use and are currently making 10 new ones.. damn how many do we need to safe from this blacklisting?

[Cleo]

Did you make 20 templates that all looked different or did they all look alike?

Anyway since it is a holiday weekend it may be a bit before you get any kind of answer on your appeal.

[Ramster]

If that's the case (you using different templates) then it is odd. But I for one am sick and tired of people submitting the same damn template every fucking day. I don't use the usful scripts blacklist so it wasn't me but as a reviewer it is VERY annoying that people use templates over and over and over and over again.

[Jensen]

Take a look at some of them:
http://www.pornzite.com/peeing_girl/
http://www.pornzite.com/pussy_doll/
http://www.pornzite.com/lesbo_fisting/

Different enough or?

I would have preferred an email from the reviewer about the issue before beeing blacklisted. It's not that timeconsuming to write a guy that submits daily? I would have replied within hours and started to produce more...

[Cleo]

They all look real different to my.

Beats me why you got banned.

You will just have to wait to hear from the reviewer that put you there.

[Jensen]

I'll just keep making some new ones while waiting. Irritating to loose all those sites listed. Any idea if I just loose the ones on the linklist that banned be or is it all around aswell?

Just checked link-o-rama and all are removed there atleast... |sad|

[docholly]

Originally posted by Ramster
If that's the case (you using different templates) then it is odd. But I for one am sick and tired of people submitting the same damn template every fucking day. I don't use the usful scripts blacklist so it wasn't me but as a reviewer it is VERY annoying that people use templates over and over and over and over again.

Same template, same content but diff root domain, same layout and same 3 colors, blue, white and pink with any combo of black.
same poses like the over the shoulder cum hither look, the full on with one tit peeping out and my very favorite.. sideways look into the cam while cum is leaking out of her mouth. LMAO.


|zzzzzzzzz

[Bell]

I only checked one for you...
there were such EXCESSIVE pop ups launched that I didn't bother with the others...
there were over 20 windows that kept launching...

maybe that had something to do with you being either banned, blacklisted or simply pulled from the shelves...

~Bell

[Cleo]

Popups???

Me thinks that Bell has already started her Vegas partying. :D

[RawAlex]

jensen, why are your galleries so different from the rest of the site? I have rejected your sites in the past because the galleries are in no way related (design, name, colors, or anything) to the sites ahead of them.

Basically they look like sponsor made template style galleries with one of about 5 templated index and inside pages in front of them. It appears that the galleries are selected at random when the site is designed at linked from the inside page.

Like this one:

http://www.pornzite.com/lesbo_fisting/

Two pages of white background, black text, blue links, suddenly the galleries are BRIGHT ORANGE, graphics only, don't have the site name on them anywhere...

These sites just look like a collection of pieces, not actual sites. Mass produced with a program, I suspect. :-(

Alex

[MrMaryLou]

Jensen this is not the first time for you and blacklisted with templates :(

[Jensen]

Bell: time to check for spyware in your system..

RawAlex: the way I do it is that I have (at the moment) 20 freesite templates and 20 gallery templates (in different niches). So when I make a site I select one freesite template and one gallery template, and as you have seen I might end up with different colors. Bad way to do it? Fair enough...

I think it was greenguy that recommended 30 templates a while ago. Originated from ideas the Tommy had. That's the way I was thinking when I started to build for the domain.

[Jensen]

MrMaryLou: you posted when I was typing. As I was saying, all advices from your "master"...

[Cleo]

You should use the same background style throughout the site, makes it all look like it belongs together.

I too was surprised when the galleries didn't match the other pages. In fact I had to look at the URL to see if I was even on the same domain.

Just like you should match your slacks, top and shoes. :D

[MrMaryLou]

Originally posted by Jensen
MrMaryLou: you posted when I was typing. As I was saying, all advices from your "master"... Jensen I am not going to get into it with you or even bother too I know what I seen and showing just three sites is not what I seen :) file your appeal :)

[Ramster]

I too will reject a site like that because I think the webmaster just copied a sponsor gallery onto his pages. I don't right away giving them the benefit of the doubt sometimes but after a couple it gets rejected.

The site has to flow. A site should be a site not all different colors. It is real easy to open the no recip gallery and rename changing the colors to match the index and main. I do it ALL the time. I have galleries lying around just waiting for an index and main page.

[Jensen]

Appeal has been filed of course.. but guess It's one of those that won't be resolved based on this thread..

MrMaryLou: so why did you or someone at gg approve almost all of my sites if you didn't like them (for months)? Takes 30 seconds to write an email. Is it that awful to communicate with the webmasters that bothers to make these sites and submit them daily?

(heads up to mb from hoes for doing so)

[MrMaryLou]

Like I said before I am not going to get into it |goodnight |goodnight |goodnight |goodnight

[Jensen]

|smooch|

[DangerDave]

Jensen,

Maybe its time to step back and assess your work practices... this is your second blacklisting for templates, and you are blacklisted with me for sending 75 sites 404.

Link list owners can only put up with this sort of stuff for a time, and then it gets to a point where reviewing your sites simply is not worth the time it takes..

IMO those three sites, tho they look slightly different, still look all the same to me.. Changing a template is more then moving one banner and changing the background colour.

I would agree with Alex on the "sponsor galleries" thing too.. I will always list sties that the webmaster has obviously worked on over sites where a warning page is thrown up in front of two sponsor formatted galleries.

..and don't expect a link list owner to email you when you get borderline or blacklisted. As the webmaster of your own sites, you have to take some responsibility for your sites etc..

DD

[Jensen]

Time to hire a freesite designer :) Thanx for the feedback folks!

[Bell]

and while you are doing that hiring... also cut back on the pop ups... do you have a script that targets a specific set of numbers coming in or every 20th vistior or such...


it was YOUR site that launched all those pop ups on me

~Bell

[Jensen]

Bell: there are NO popups on my sites.. ask other people and they will confirm. Be sure to check your system for trojans etc.. (check out http://www.thehun.com/gazette/ for help)..

[Ramster]

I get no popups on those sites Bell.

[swedguy]

I refreshed 30 times or so, and no popup. The only popup I got was 1 from the root, this one: http://www.warez-ru.com/

[Jensen]

WTF.. thanx for notifying me swedguy! I have no idea where the heck that code is coming from... why would anyone add a popup to my root that is 404? (guess I'm hacked)

scary to discover stuff like this :(

[lassiter]

Originally posted by DangerDave
I will always list sties that the webmaster has obviously worked on over sites where a warning page is thrown up in front of two sponsor formatted galleries.




Hi DD -

I grant that those two galleries look very different from the rest of the site. That being said...

There are suggestions from experienced webmasters on several boards that free site submitters should start making their gallery pages more "TGP-friendly" so they can easily adapt their free site galleries to double-duty as single-page TGP-style galleries (obviously adding extra thumbs since most TGPs dont take 10-pic galleries).

If we really start taking that advice the LL owners are going to start seeing a lot more free sites where the galleries look more TGP-style. If this is going to be a problem for LL reviewers (and lets presume that all other LL rules are being followed), then maybe the LL owners should let that be known before the newbies are given bad advice? |goodnight

[MrMaryLou]

Hey lassiter the making galleries tgp friendly is great and they match well with free sites what I think DD was saying the they dont match the site thus messing up the flow of the site :)

[lassiter]

Originally posted by MrMaryLou
Hey lassiter the making galleries tgp friendly is great and they match well with free sites what I think DD was saying the they dont match the site thus messing up the flow of the site :)

Thanks Mr Mary Lou - yes, I agree in the particular case we're talking about. All I'm saying is that if we (submitters) do maybe "too good a job" in making galleries TGP-acceptable, they're maybe gonna start to look like sponsor galleries. But yeah, presumably if we keep the stylistic flow of the site and don't go playing fast and loose with the actual LL rules, that shouldn't be a problem, I hope.

I think what I'm getting at here is even a site that follows the posted rules "to the letter" is still gonna occasionally get a negative judgment from a reviewer based on certain styles or opinions - can't be helped sometimes. I just wouldn't want to be turned down because my gallery pages looked "too much like sponsor galleries," even if I followed all the proper rules regarding maximum links, etc. I figure the sponsors are trying to make galleries that sell, so it shouldn't be considered an automatic bad thing.

Thanks again - I appreciate the feedback! Hope yer holidays have been fun! |xmasbulb

[Cleo]

Actually ever time I make some fancy graphic intensive gallery my sales from it absolutely suck. Not to mention that not as many places list it since they take a fast look at it and think it is a sponsor gallery and hit decline.

I do best with simple galleries with one nicely written advertisement using text and an eye catchy banner.

Surfers want a fast loading page with fresh clear pics. At best you can only hope to lure them in with your advertisement. Putting a bunch of fancy graphics on your gallery only distracts from your advertisement and slows down the loading of your page.

Just my 2¢…

[lassiter]

Originally posted by Cleo

Surfers want a fast loading page with fresh clear pics. At best you can only hope to lure them in with your advertisement. Putting a bunch of fancy graphics on your gallery only distracts from your advertisement and slows down the loading of your page.

Just my 2¢…

Thanks Cleo. Yes, I'd tend to agree with you in general. I gues the problem is that LL surfers and TGP surfers have different aesthestics (or at least the owners do :) ).
An LL-style gallery, even with 15-20 pics on it, is usually just not gonna get accepted at TGPs as far as I can see, so either we try to build galleries that "split the difference" to be acceptable to both (which risks making them acceptable to neither) or else we just accept that LLs and TGPs are different animals and build from scratch separately for each. I can certainly see the wisdom of not mixing the formats, but anything that increases efficiency is also a good thing, if it will also bring sales. And I do agree sales are the bottom line. :)

[MrMaryLou]

Originally posted by lassiter
Thanks Mr Mary Lou - yes, I agree in the particular case we're talking about. All I'm saying is that if we (submitters) do maybe "too good a job" in making galleries TGP-acceptable, they're maybe gonna start to look like sponsor galleries. But yeah, presumably if we keep the stylistic flow of the site and don't go playing fast and loose with the actual LL rules, that shouldn't be a problem, I hope.

I think what I'm getting at here is even a site that follows the posted rules "to the letter" is still gonna occasionally get a negative judgment from a reviewer based on certain styles or opinions - can't be helped sometimes. I just wouldn't want to be turned down because my gallery pages looked "too much like sponsor galleries," even if I followed all the proper rules regarding maximum links, etc. I figure the sponsors are trying to make galleries that sell, so it shouldn't be considered an automatic bad thing.

Thanks again - I appreciate the feedback! Hope yer holidays have been fun! |xmasbulb Lassiter the key word here is flow when I am looking at a site I am looking for a flow and that it follows the rules ie. galleries with at least 10 pics and no more than 3 banners etc etc not if it was built for a tgp or not

[Cleo]

All my free sites use the exact same galleries as was submitted to the TGPs.

I take 30 pics, almost always in a series, and make two galleries for TGPs and then I take those exact same galleries and add a main page and warning page to make a free site. I do use the same background, colors, style and theme throughout all the pages. I use an external stylesheet to make building easy for me. I have no problems getting listed everywhere with what I build.

My free sites do have 30 pics which is 10 more then needed, but I don't see the need to go through all the trouble of editing out 10 pics just because free sites only need 20 pics. Anyway I find 15 pics to be an ideal amount of pics when designing a page.

[Cleo]

All my free sites use the exact same galleries as was submitted to the TGPs.

I take 30 pics, almost always in a series, and make two galleries for TGPs and then I take those exact same galleries and add a main page and warning page to make a free site. I do use the same background, colors, style and theme throughout all the pages. I use an external stylesheet to make building easy for me. I have no problems getting listed everywhere with what I build.

My free sites do have 30 pics which is 10 more then needed, but I don't see the need to go through all the trouble of editing out 10 pics just because free sites only need 20 pics. Anyway I find 15 pics to be an ideal amount of pics when designing a page.

[dareutwo]

How much is a "reading between the adult lines" worth??? :)

[DangerDave]

lassiter,

To add to what the others have said.. and put my POV..

Flow and fitting with the site is one key area.. I really hate a warning page with two TGP galleries tacked on the back... it's lazy, a waste of time and any newbie can do that... shit I could do it and pump out 100 free sites a day..

A free site is just that - "a site" - not a couple of stray pages tacked together.

The one I hate the most though is supposed "free sites" that are just a warning and main page in front of two sponsor downloadable galleries. Yeah it's easy, but again any newbie can do that(and they do), and again it is a waste of time to then try an submit that as "your own work" because it aint!

..and just to add on while I am at it... Sites built around sponsors shit me too... feel free to build em and use them, I do, but I dont submit em to anyone..

Sites are about building around the content of the said site.. not around the name of the sponsor you are using. Alot more people would get listed if they focussed on their content instead of on their sponsor.


DD

[Ramster]

Most TGP galleries are limited in the advertising while the free site galleries can be used to advertise a bit more.

So I don't think you should be using the galleries from free sites for TGPs as you should be using as many ads as you can on the free site galleries. HOWEVER, I think you should use the pics from those to make a TGP gallery out of.

You have 2 10 pic galleries so you pic 15-16 pics from those and make your TGP gallery making a few small changes to the page and voila.

[Jensen]

Some of you obviously thinks that the freesites should be a work of art and people should spend hours making them. Take a look at your own listings, it's the same stuff all over. When you keep accepting it, people will submit it...

[MrMaryLou]

We are not saying they need to be a work of art but they dont need to be totaly mind less

[RawAlex]

Jensen, any one of us can take the content we have (and last look says I have about 150,000 licensed pics on file here) and turn out more sites that we could ever need. I have software (older) that can do just that - turn out thousands of cheesy free sites.

I got enough cheese already!

We don't want a work of art, we don't even want work - but we want a unified site on a theme with a reasonable look and flow. The site should be the same basic things all the way through (colors, fonts, general layout, graphical touches, whatever it is). Basically, it should look like a "site" and stand on it's own. If I can tell that the site was clearly made of parts, then it ain't so good, ya know?

Just one of those things.

Alex

[Jensen]

RawAlex: if you did just that with your program and your sites got accepted almost every day.. wouldn't you continue to push them if you made good money out of them?

That's a part of what I'm saying here. My sites got accepted all of the time so I continued to make them. Who wouldn't?

[Cleo]

Why use any content, just submit sponsor FPAs. Throw up a warning page and link to 3 FPAs and call it a site.

[lassiter]

Originally posted by Cleo
Why use any content, just submit sponsor FPAs. Throw up a warning page and link to 3 FPAs and call it a site.

I've actually seen a number of listed sites pretty much like that. I presume they were the LL owner's own sites and not anything that was actually accepted for submission.

[DangerDave]

This same "circular" argument come up every 6 months..

The fact remains

You need traffic to get sales.
You get traffic from link lists.
You need to fit LL rules to get listed, to get the traffic , to make the sales.

You can build a site anyway you like... even Cleo's interconnected FPAs... but you will have to find your own traffic in order to make the sales.

if you dont want to build to the rule/guidelines, then go right ahead.... :)

DD

[Cleo]

Originally posted by DangerDave

You can build a site anyway you like... even Cleo's interconnected FPAs...

And don't forget to put lots of consoles on those too. Maybe even add a script to change the surfers home page while you are at it.

[lassiter]

Originally posted by Cleo
And don't forget to put lots of consoles on those too. Maybe even add a script to change the surfers home page while you are at it.

"Hey, I was reading the boards, and Cleo said it was ok so why are you blacklisting me????" |jester|

[Jensen]

I wouldn't say it's about traffic from LL's anymore. It's more about SE's/popularity I guess. LL's don't send enough hits these days compared to the past.

(I know a lot of you are saying that you got more traffic than ever, not seeing it though..)

[Ramster]

Link Lists do send traffic but less to some free sites than the past depending on what category and where on the list. I agree on that and that submitting to Link Lists is a great way to get that SE traffic and get it fast if the Link List has a PR4 or higher.

All people are asking Jensen is the gallery pages be the same color as the index and main page. That's about it. You and I both know it'll take you a couple minutes tops to go in and change the 2 gallery page colors and names to freegal1 and freegal2 to be different from the TGP gallery made. Do it and you'll have zero problems man.

[Jensen]

No worries at all Ramster. It's live and learn..

[mpahlca]

Originally posted by Bell
I only checked one for you...
there were such EXCESSIVE pop ups launched that I didn't bother with the others...
there were over 20 windows that kept launching...

maybe that had something to do with you being either banned, blacklisted or simply pulled from the shelves...

~Bell
Are you kidding me there aren't any pops and those are pretty clean sites? what gives?

[mpahlca]

Originally posted by DangerDave
lassiter,

To add to what the others have said.. and put my POV..

Flow and fitting with the site is one key area.. I really hate a warning page with two TGP galleries tacked on the back... it's lazy, a waste of time and any newbie can do that... shit I could do it and pump out 100 free sites a day..

A free site is just that - "a site" - not a couple of stray pages tacked together.

The one I hate the most though is supposed "free sites" that are just a warning and main page in front of two sponsor downloadable galleries. Yeah it's easy, but again any newbie can do that(and they do), and again it is a waste of time to then try an submit that as "your own work" because it aint!

..and just to add on while I am at it... Sites built around sponsors shit me too... feel free to build em and use them, I do, but I dont submit em to anyone..

Sites are about building around the content of the said site.. not around the name of the sponsor you are using. Alot more people would get listed if they focussed on their content instead of on their sponsor.


DD

It's really interesting reading this...now i don't write in many posts but here is something that bothers me...I do understand the asthetics of "free sites" and how most ll owners want some style to it, that being said here is a huge problem i have...

Most times i've read a reviewer or ll owner posting in her they talk about how these little (excuse my french) piece of shit sites should have personality and should look good and crap like that, but the POINT of a free site is to sell a sponsor as is the point of a LL! Everyone here has the same goal to make as many sales as possible...i understand the need for rules and making people follow them...but i also think you guys need to take step back and remember why other people and YOU are in this business! It is not i believe to provide free porn to surfers. I think almost every LL owner out there has banners on his/her site and try and sell their own sponsors...so isn't it the point that we all are trying to do the same thing and saying that people who do it differently than you want should be blacklisted is STUPID!

What if all the submitters out there dried up and stopped submitting to you? what would you do then? Sponosr hosted galleries or make your own sites? Remember it is all a trade off we need you and you despit what some say need us!

Well I hope i don't get blacklisted for voicing my opinion but remember it is just my opinion and take it as such!

Opinion's are like assholes everyone has one!

[Ramster]

I can tell you noone from this board would blacklist you for having an opinion. Tell someone to FO and call them names, maybe. lol

You make a valid point. But a lot of link sites have rules saying do not use the same templates over and over again. And all LL want the submissions but they need to clean somewhat decent looking sites to get the surfer back to the link site. Why? So when he does go to one of the free sites (or a banner) he might actually see something he likes (like a new sponsor or site) and buy. But we all need him coming back to have that chance.

It is a rule like the others and if someone continues to submit the same damn templates over and over again (not saying Jensen did that, just an example) then blacklisting is the only way to stop having the admin areas filled with sites that will never get listed.

[mpahlca]

But really you think blacklisting is the only way out of this? Why not have partner only submissions and send the webmaster an e-mail saying "please stop submitting the same template you have done the same template five days in a row try changing up your site!"

This takes two seconds and i'm sure the webmasters submitting would appreciate it!

[RawAlex]

mpahlca: The rules are stated clearly for everyone. Webmaster should be able to tell when they have taken the same site and built it with a different color background only for a week that maybe they are using the same template too much.

When you email someone about a problem (I am not listing your site because *whatever*), too often it turns into a back and forth that gives no results. Banning or blacklisting a domain or email is often the best and only effecient method to get a person's attention.

That is why most link sites don't send out refusal emails, because it just leads to painful wastes of time on all sides.

Alex

[mpahlca]

ok, now i know the rules are posted and i always check them! however i have had a site turned down with a reason that wasn't on the list...so the only way i knew i what i was turned down for was the e-mail, that is the way hoes.com works i always get an e-mail saying why i wasn't listed and i can always re-submit the site when the site meets these requirements...now is this perfect NO but, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than just blacklisting someone because YOU don't like their site! I have had sites accepted by the link-o-rama that are totally slammed by another webmaster because he/she didn't like my particular layout!

Now you see it is in the best interest of everybody to be equally respectful to one-another.

That's my point here i know there are assholes who submit crap everyday and try and submit 30 sites a day to clearly marked 1 site a day ll but I believe that if we treat this as a business and work our asses off to make everyone treat it like a business then some of the crap that happens in this BUSINESS might stop. (read stealing.)

[bstrawse]

Originally posted by Cleo
All my free sites use the exact same galleries as was submitted to the TGPs.

I take 30 pics, almost always in a series, and make two galleries for TGPs and then I take those exact same galleries and add a main page and warning page to make a free site. I do use the same background, colors, style and theme throughout all the pages. I use an external stylesheet to make building easy for me. I have no problems getting listed everywhere with what I build.

My free sites do have 30 pics which is 10 more then needed, but I don't see the need to go through all the trouble of editing out 10 pics just because free sites only need 20 pics. Anyway I find 15 pics to be an ideal amount of pics when designing a page.

Would you mind posting a link to one of your free sites, I'd like to take a look?

Thanks ;)
Bryan

[Cleo]

If someone followed my links around they would be easy enough to find.

Here is one of my free sites,
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/fetish/red-body-stocking/site/index.html
And the two galleries for TGPs that I made
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/fetish/red-body-stocking/tgp/
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/fetish/red-body-stocking/sex-thumbs/

[mogart]

today I spend few hours browsing other's freesites and I must say that Cleo is one of the most orginal and unique designers out there - I like her fs becouse they are so different from hundreds others ...
I don't have LL but if I have and Cleo would submit her work to me - she would have first raw every day :)

Cleo - salute to you |waves|