Fairly big porn arrests in fla - interesting...

[Bill]

A sponsor operating in florida - pensacola - arrested on racketeering charges...

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/NEWS01/606250325/1006

http://www.cashtitans.com/

http://www.cumonherface.com/t4/index.html?

"...the men are believed to be at the heart of the operation that revolved around a Web site with as many as 5,000 registered subscribers who, for $30 a month, can view pornographic films featuring group sex.

The films were made at four houses in Pensacola, a house in Pace and at five hotels in Escambia County, Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar said. Other settings included Interstate 10 and Interstate 110, wooded areas, vehicles and other public places, he said.

The two men, both arrested Friday, were charged with racketeering -- conducting a criminal enterprise by engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material.

They were identified as:

· Site owner Clinton Raymond McCowen, 45, also known as Ray Guhn, who resides in the 1900 block of Rue La Fontaine in Navarre.

· Kevin Patrick Stevens, 36, of the 9700 block of Fowler Avenue in Pensacola, who was a producer and Web site technician."

[docholly]

Some filming recently was moved to Canada because people engaged in the operation regarded the local area as "the frickin' Bible Belt," the affidavit states.

I wonder how long it took them to buy a clue?

[Ramster]

Wow, I've promoted them for a long time. Very interesting.

[Jim]

That is interesting and disturbing at the same time. I think more information is needed before making a judgment. Like, what are the authorities calling prostitution? Was it real prostitution or was it paying models for being on film? One is protected, one is not.

Like I said, more information needed.

[SirMoby]

With the amount of drugs and violent crimes in Florida you would think they would be focusing on crimes that actually have victims.

[Cleo]

Their the fanatical, too full of their righteous selves, bible thumping folks that reside in northern Florida and then there are the who gives a fuck what two consenting adults want to do with each other that reside in southern Florida. Unfortunately the capital of Florida is in the northern part. IMO Florida should become two states. The Keys had the right idea when back in the late part of the last century they wanted to secede from the rest of Florida and become the Conch Republic.

[emmanuelle]

Is there a statute of limitations? They have outsourced their shoots to Vancouver for the past 2+ years

[juggernaut]

"The two men, both arrested Friday, were charged with racketeering -- conducting a criminal enterprise by engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material."

This is one of the shittiest laws in the country. It gives the government so much power. Just about anything can be molded to fit in it's catagory. Shit, this is what they got my old man for 15 years ago. All he was doing was placing bets for people. He don't even play tennis.

[Toby]

Sounds like they should have moved to Vancouver too. :(

[Boogie]

bad fucking news ;((

[swedguy]

What the fuck? Ray Guhn?
I've used him since day 1 :(

[ArtWilliams]

Come to Canada, we love women with loads of man gravy on them!

[karomesis]

With the amount of drugs and violent crimes in Florida you would think they would be focusing on crimes that actually have victims.

Agreed. But unfoutunately that would require politicians to actually take their heads out of their assess, an unlikely occurence.|bullshit|

[overarm]

Well - things like that is meant to happen overthere, when you insist to have Commander Cuckoo-Bananas in charge...|crazy|

[Evil Chris]

Considering the outcome of the SEG trials, it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

In any case, it sucks for the COHF people.

[GenXer]

That is some crazy news!

[Pornwolf]

Good luck to them. Sounds like they're gonna need it.

[roganoli]

Cash Titans and Cumonherface is offline has 3 days! |huh

[babymaker]

Cash Titans and Cumonherface is offline has 3 days! |huh

That's because they are in jail.

[Licker4U]

I live 40 min. from Pensacola. I had no idea a major porn network was operating there. Shows how out of touch I am...|huh

[babymaker]

I live 40 min. from Pensacola. I had no idea a major porn network was operating there. Shows how out of touch I am...|huh

Are you an affiliate??

[Licker4U]

No, but I've seen the name Ray Guhn. Maybe in a list of custodians of records at a sponsors 2257 page or something.

I do know there is a pretty active swingers group in P'cola. LA Social, been around for years. When I read in the article about group sex, I wondered how many swinger couples wanted to make a few extra bucks doing what they do anyway. |boobies|

[Useless]

I wondered how many swinger couples wanted to make a few extra bucks doing what they do anyway. |boobies|Why would swingers be more willing to be content than anyone else? Vanilla married couples screw all the time, but I doubt the say, "Hey were fucking anyway. Why not make $100?" :D

[Preacher]

Fuck! Time to pull some galleries.

Hey Useless, you're a swinger. Got any cum in the eye galleries of yourself that I can use to replace the notorious cum goggles ones I had listed from COHF?

[Useless]

Hey Useless, you're a swinger.Mom, dad - if you're reading this, I have no idea what Preacher is talking about. He's a pathalogical liar. |crazy|




:D

[babymaker]

Fuck! Time to pull some galleries.

Hey Useless, you're a swinger. Got any cum in the eye galleries of yourself that I can use to replace the notorious cum goggles ones I had listed from COHF?

Fuck i second the motion |thumb even better some Useless creampies |shocking| that i could sell :)

[Preacher]

|pokefun| Kinda funny that Useless takes issue with the swinger part, but not the cum in the eye part.

[Licker4U]

Why would swingers be more willing to be content than anyone else? Vanilla married couples screw all the time, but I doubt the say, "Hey were fucking anyway. Why not make $100?" :D

LOL My wife was contacted by a guy in a wheel chair in Tampa that was willing to pay our air fare to Tampa and get us a hotel room and pay us $$$ so he could watch us bumping nasties. |huh After realizing the pitfalls inherintly built into the offer we declined...but it sounded good. |badidea| You never know...

[babymaker]

LOL My wife was contacted by a guy in a wheel chair in Tampa that was willing to pay our air fare to Tampa and get us a hotel room and pay us $$$ so he could watch us bumping nasties. |huh After realizing the pitfalls inherintly built into the offer we declined...but it sounded good. |badidea| You never know...

How much was he paying lol?? I can find a local slut and go down there :D

[SirMoby]

Why would swingers be more willing to be content than anyone else? Vanilla married couples screw all the time, but I doubt the say, "Hey were fucking anyway. Why not make $100?" :D
You're dealing with people that want the thrill of something new. New partners, new places and new experiences. I haven't known a lot of swingers but the few I have known love the idea of public places, strangers, being filmed, etc ...

[Cleo]

My neighbor pays people all the time just to watch them fuck. I've sat in on a few viewings. Kind of boring if you ask me but then I sell porn for a living.

[Useless]

You're dealing with people that want the thrill of something new. New partners, new places and new experiences. I haven't known a lot of swingers but the few I have known love the idea of public places, strangers, being filmed, etc ...Not that I mix with those sort of lascivious types...cough...but if I did, I can assure you that the ones I would hypothetically know would be especially discreet and not in favor the idea of "straight" folks watching and knowing about their activities. I can certainly understand the additional excitement of it all, but I don't -hypothetically- know anyone like that.
|jackinthe

[Toni KatVixen]

Not that I mix with those sort of lascivious types...cough...but if I did, I can assure you that the ones I would hypothetically know would be especially discreet and not in favor the idea of "straight" folks watching and knowing about their activities. I can certainly understand the additional excitement of it all, but I don't -hypothetically- know anyone like that.
|jackinthe

As someone who does mix with those "lascivious types", Useless is actually correct. (The world is coming to an end) |couch|

If we just want to swing and not worry about "content", we NEVER mention our site. Because even if we are not taking pictures, as soon as they hear we have a site they want nothing to do with us. :(

There are alot of swingers that are lawyers, doctors, teachers and other professional where discreetion isn't only desired it is REQUIRED for job security.

As you know in this day and age of the internet, it is way too easy for them to be discovered.

[docholly]

Fuck i second the motion |thumb even better some Useless creampies |shocking| that i could sell :)

Got any cum in the eye galleries of yourself that I can use to replace the notorious cum goggles ones I had listed from COHF

I do believe that youngwhoringwives will take care of that quite nicely for you. :-) *see uw's siggy for the link*..

[PR_Tom]

An earlier story on it told more. What they did was paid a girl to have group sex at a private party to see if she'd be good for filming in a movie.

Thats the prostitution.. and the rest was more than likely tacked on to see if it will stick.

[Ramster]

I've been away but have a read a bit. So the site is down 100% now? I guess I better yanks some links? Is that what people are doing?

[emmanuelle]

An earlier story on it told more. What they did was paid a girl to have group sex at a private party to see if she'd be good for filming in a movie.

Thats the prostitution.. and the rest was more than likely tacked on to see if it will stick.


A little naive there I think. Outside of certain parts of California, shoots are considered prostitiution, as it is sex for money- camera or no camera. Using prostitution to commit further offenses constitutes racketeering, which falls under the RICO act. RICO in turn allows the authorities to seize all assets without due process. Kinda hard to pay your lawyers, let alone affiliates this way.
Furthermore, paying the model's travel expenses violates the MANN act, because they are transporting people across state lines to commit indecent acts (white slavery laws)

The only thing they're missing (at this point) is IRS and a way to tie it into the Patriot Act.

This is a very serious case, with ramifications for everyone in the US who shoots content. I suspect it will set an important precident in the industry. Those boys were doing the same things that dozens of other US companies do all the time. Hopefully this will inspire them to clean up their own acts. Regardless, it hits very close to home, and if any industry related case needs our close attention (and support), I think this one is it.

[Jim]

A little naive there I think. Outside of certain parts of California, shoots are considered prostitiution, as it is sex for money- camera or no camera.
Is that some sort of bizzaro world where the 1st Amendment doesn't exist?

[Preacher]

...So the site is down 100% now? I guess I better yanks some links? Is that what people are doing?

Yes. I waited a day to see if it they would come back up, but when it wouldn't I had to. On my LL I can just deactivate the sponsor temporarily, but unfortunately on my tgp's my only option is to delete the galleries. |cry|

[tickler]

Well here's some more details, with a comparison to an older California case. and a comment by Larry Walters.

It's People Vs. Freeman, Florida Style
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Web_Exclusive_News&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=270764

[PR_Tom]

I dont think that it stems from paying someone to perform in a real shoot, or porn movie. The thing went down when they were paid to have sex at a private party that was not filmed. That was from the informant. So it could be bad for them, but not bad for porn producers in general (which I think is what people should probably hope for? I dunno)

Again it was laid out a bit better in the original article. They arrested them after the informant told them about the private party evidently. That one is going to stick unless the informant was/is a total unbelieveable flake on the stand I guess.

[Jim]

I dont think that it stems from paying someone to perform in a real shoot, or porn movie. The thing went down when they were paid to have sex at a private party that was not filmed. That was from the informant. So it could be bad for them, but not bad for porn producers in general (which I think is what people should probably hope for? I dunno)

Again it was laid out a bit better in the original article. They arrested them after the informant told them about the private party evidently. That one is going to stick unless the informant was/is a total unbelieveable flake on the stand I guess.

That would change everything. Take the camera out of the "picture" and I think it would be considered prostitution. Jesus, even a simple tape recorder would have protected them.

[PersignupChuck]

"Hey were fucking anyway. Why not make $100?" :D

I pretty much say that to my gf every time. Although $100 is pretty low. but it's like "why are we doing this for free?"

[Greenguy]

Is that some sort of bizzaro world where the 1st Amendment doesn't exist?
As far as I know, the California law thing is true.

[Jim]

As far as I know, the California law thing is true.
That is strange. It seems like it would have been challenged. Then again, there is a "Non Free Speech Area" around bush and his crony's :) Just look at all the people that get arrested for wearing anti-bush tee shirts. I guess really nothing is surprising these days.

[Preacher]

For anyone who is interested, it looks like the sites are back up.

[Useless]

Outside of certain parts of California, shoots are considered prostitiution, as it is sex for money- camera or no camera.Yes, I believe LA County is the only place in the U.S. where the production of pornography is legal. I think that's what I read.

Do they teach U.S. law in Canada? They certainly don't teach it here. ;)

[emmanuelle]

Do they teach U.S. law in Canada? They certainly don't teach it here. ;)


hehe- We are innundated with US news and culture up here. Most Canadians are more familliar with US laws and politics than their own.

[Chop Smith]

...Most Canadians are more familliar with US laws and politics than their own.

For most of us reading the board since April, 03, we have concluded that Canadians think they no more about US laws and politics. Hell, they even have the solutions to all our ills. :D

:D equals Chop is joking around. If I offended any of you Northerns go get fucked or smoke a joint and protest something.

Emma, certainly I would not want to offend you as I have a trip planned for you.

[ArtWilliams]

For most of us reading the board since April, 03, we have concluded that Canadians think they no more about US laws and politics. Hell, they even have the solutions to all our ills. :D

Yes, but we are too polite to suggest to you how it might be done!

[Greenguy]

I think I remember what I heard about the California thing (and this is probably incorrect, so pay no attention to me)

California is the only place in the US that you can make porn movies & videos that involve real sex acts. I think that every other place in the US has to have "simulated sex acts" in the wording for the release.

[karomesis]

Is that some sort of bizzaro world where the 1st Amendment doesn't exist?

|jester| of course, it's called the bush presidency.

since politicains are so fucking good at making useless laws to protect ignorant people, I think they should at least have the decency to sign a bill that would require the president to be able to communicate better than rain man. And have the decency to install a police state dictatorship in his first term in office so we can settle in and get used to having no freedoms.

This shit has GOT TO STOP|angry| . The FSC is a good tool, but I fear it is in need of a more amophorous position on certain issues, they can't attack what isn't there. Instead of using disinformation like the politicians are fond of doing, I think a novel and revolutionary idea is needed, it's called..........the truth.|shocking| We need to change public opinion, that is where the battle must be fought, for the hearts and minds of the citizenry.

[lassiter]

Well here's some more details, with a comparison to an older California case. and a comment by Larry Walters.

It's People Vs. Freeman, Florida Style
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Web_Exclusive_News&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=270764

I guess I'd simply observe that this is a good reason why most porn videos are shot in California and not Florida. Individual states are gonna take very different views of what constitutes prostitution, and it's very nice that Cali has the Freeman precedent. But a decision of a California court is obviously not binding on any other state. And hasn't anyone noticed that Florida's government is one of the most reactionary bunch of corrupt nutballs anywhere? (And I'm speaking as a Texan when I say that |jester| )

[SirMoby]

I guess I'd simply observe that this is a good reason why most porn videos are shot in California and not Florida. Individual states are gonna take very different views of what constitutes prostitution, and it's very nice that Cali has the Freeman precedent. But a decision of a California court is obviously not binding on any other state. And hasn't anyone noticed that Florida's government is one of the most reactionary bunch of corrupt nutballs anywhere? (And I'm speaking as a Texan when I say that |jester| )
I've always been shocked by people shooting Florida. I just figured that they were paying the younger Bush to do it. How can that Bush can't run for office if people are shooting porn in his state. I don't think any smart person wants to be President after Dubya because there is no good way to clean up his mess but come 1012 or 2016 younger Bush is going to be the candidate and Florida will already be Theocracy and the model of the campaign.

[babymaker]

I've always been shocked by people shooting Florida. I just figured that they were paying the younger Bush to do it. How can that Bush can't run for office if people are shooting porn in his state. I don't think any smart person wants to be President after Dubya because there is no good way to clean up his mess but come 1012 or 2016 younger Bush is going to be the candidate and Florida will already be Theocracy and the model of the campaign.

Spell check lol :D J/K I am Worse!

[swedguy]

They seem to be up and running again...

"Subject: [nats] SIGNUP via EPOCH"

|thumb

http://www.cumonherface.com/
http://www.cashtitans.com/

[Ramster]

The good news is I didn't lose that long time member who joined using ccbill:
$12.47 (join date) 24 Nov 2001 (first rebill) 25 Dec 2001 :D

[Greenguy]

Have they posted/released anything official? Along the lines of "All is well, sites are working, you'll get paid, etc"?

[frankthetank]

The good news is I didn't lose that long time member who joined using ccbill:
$12.47 (join date) 24 Nov 2001 (first rebill) 25 Dec 2001 :D

Is he into facials or did he just forget how to cancel?|jester|

[jimatcohf]

If you have anything to do whatsoever with the adult industry, you will want to read this entire post. I am making this post to offer my view and to update our industry on the latest news of the arrest of Ray Guhn and several members of the www.cumonherface.com and www.cashtitans.com team and how it can affect you. For those that are not aware of the arrests, here are the links to those articles http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15700&searchstring=ray%20guhn and http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15715&searchstring=ray%20guhn

Most of you know me as Jim Manley or Big Jim. For those of you trying to picture who I am here is the most memorable pic of me brought to you by JFK http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/current/waw05/pbp/z02847.htm now that was a great night and memory that I will cherish forever.

Ok, first, I am not really able to comment on the facts of the case only to say that Ray Guhn’s legal team will be fighting these charges aggressively as long as the money holds out. Ray has retained the legal team of Weston, Garrou, DeWitt & Walters. The well known and respected Larry Walters plans to spearhead a vigorous 1st amendment defense as you can imagine. Now please carefully read this next part. The predicate on which Ray Guhn and associates are charged can seriously impact how YOU as webmasters, producers, hosting companies, affiliates, and pay site owners will be permitted, or not permitted, to conduct your business in the future. The cops are claiming that paying people to perform sexually on camera is prostitution and therefore illegal. If the prosecution wins the Ray Guhn case in Florida it will have the chilling effect of setting precedent of illegalizing porn production throughout Florida which in turn will eagerly be used by other states anxious to squelch free expression to justify filing suits or applying pressure against webmasters, producers, hosters, affiliates and site owners who engage in showing ‘paid performers engaging in sex while being photographed or videotaped or on webcam’.

1) Why the charge of Racketeering? As mentioned, the cops assert that compensating people who perform in, or produce, adult sexual content is prostitution and that any parties earning an income derived from activity based on prostitution is Racketeering (which carries up to 30 years in jail). The 2nd predicate they are using is an Obscenity charge, ie: that COHF content is stronger content than Pensacola community standards allow, even though you can walk into dozens of stores in Pensacola and purchase many different porn mags showing detailed glossy images of group sex, anal sex, triple penetration, bondage sex, dildo sex, lesbian strap on sex, oral sex, cum swapping and oral/facial cumshots. But we all know how vague the obscenity law is, depending on your locale a girl posing nude could be considered obscene by a conservative jury.
2) Don’t believe everything you read in the papers, the guns they seized at Ray’s home were all legally owned along with a weapons permit and the “drugs” were only one medication type legally prescribed by licensed physicians. But it made for a sensational byline in the article.
3) It’s Election year here. So the stronger the headlines, the better, as far as the guys running for reelection are concerned.

I really can’t comment more on the case but after reading some of the posts when this story broke on GFY and other boards I wanted to clear up a few confused posters who poked fun at this situation without understanding how THIS CASE is the landmark case that many in the adult industry have been fearing for years. Grave consequences will occur first in Florida and next industry wide if the prosecution prevails in reclassifying porn performers and actors… as prostitutes. If performers are reclassified as prostitutes, smart money says the law will next move to classify people like YOU who webmaster, produce, host, manage, or resell that ‘illegal’ content as criminals and racketeers. (remember, racketeering carries up to 30 years in jail!).

Attorney Larry Walters has set up a legal defense fund for this fight. I am asking everyone to donate to this fund, not just to help defend Ray and myself, but also to preserve our adult internet industry as we currently know it. This case is already creating expenditures in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and honestly guys we need industry financial help from our friends, associates, fellow businessmen and industry moguls to win this battle... for all of us. Please donate directly to Larry Walter’s firm at: www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com NONE of the donations go to Ray, myself or COHF.
I can only hope that the generosity (and sense of self preservation) of our industry will shine in this moment of darkness and contributions will flow in to assist defending against these charges. Please read this article concerning this case as it was posted on AVN http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=270764 I hope that after reading this you will understand that this is much more than just another case against a few guys in Florida, but rather it is a veiled legal attempt to begin the process of outlawing all porn production not only in Florida, but eventually reaching across the country.

www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com

On a personal note I wish to thank the industry for their support and emails and phone calls and im’s about this situation. I am truly grateful of everyone’s concern. I now understand what it means to be at the bottom of the barrel as I have lost everything, my job, my income and for the few that knew I had a daughter as of now the state has ended my rights to see her, so again if you don’t think this case is important for those of you who have children, please imagine not being able to see them again simply because you operated or worked for an adult business. If you think for one second it can’t happen to you as I did, WELL IT CAN! I am not sure if I will stay in the adult industry after all this is over. I have to consider the options and what I might have to do to regain custody of my daughter. I would like to talk to anyone that might need a general manager type, employee or sales rep to weigh my options. I will consider all offers as I have stated before I have no income and my savings is almost gone.

I will respond as I can to the replies of this thread I ask that it be bumped quite regularly if possible to keep this subject fresh in the minds of all webmasters.

Thank you in advance for your donations (www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com) and emotional support and let’s ALL hope that when the sun sets Ray Guhn and his legal team’s fight to preserve our 1st Amendment freedoms for the adult industry are successful. Truth and the 1st amendment are on our side. The best 1st amendment team in the country is on the case, but the effort needs donations now to the legal fund to avoid being railroaded into a defeat that will shake the foundation of the adult industry.

Andy Craft aka Jim Manley
My old email is now gone so if you have it please delete and use iluvlivebabes@hotmail.com that is also my msn name and my ICQ # is 318490299

[Bill]

We're all aware of the case and very interested in getting more news about it.

I couldn't tell from reading your post what your role in the case is - could you restate that please?

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. It makes me glad my daughter is grown and can't be used against me like that anymore.

[emmanuelle]

I was dismayed at how few people understood the consequences of this case when it broke. The only thing they didnt hit you with was the Patriot Act and IRS (yet).
Whether it be the FSC, the Rob Black case, or any of the others that have asked for support; none are as crucial to our industry as this one IMO; regardless of geographic location.

[terry]

Good Luck Jim, Ray, Shane and to the industry. Im with you guys and will help any way I can.

[Ramster]

I hope all goes well. Busty Amateurs and you guys were the very first programs I ever signed up for online. As I stated earlier I still have a rebilling member from 2001.

[terry]

I hope all goes well. Busty Amateurs and you guys were the very first programs I ever signed up for online. As I stated earlier I still have a rebilling member from 2001.

I still have some orginal ccbill rebills too which is awesome, but I have lost hundreds of rebills using nats since they went down. I dont care too much about the money I am losing. Those guys were my friends and I would hate to see anything happen to them. Again, good luck to everyone!

[Tommy]

you guys should really think about helping them out with a little premotion, a few links here and there maybe a banner or a few gallerys

next time you wanna premote a new sponsor try and give them a chance

years ago when that acacia bull shit starting happening
Light Speed was one of the companys fighting them

So I thought one way to fight back Acacia was to help companys that were taking a stand
I signed up with Lightspeedcash, they were then a small sponsor.
the only reason I started premoting them is because they took a stand

its been a few years and they turned out to be a very good sponsor for me


in fact I hope all of you pull out your check book and give a little something to the defence fund

last year when that other guy got arrested i was googling it to try and find some more info and found some site asking for donations
the site said they had only collected 30 dollars in a week

when iI seen that as a adult webmaster i really felt like shit and lost a lot of respect for my fellow webmasters that day

we need to stick together
I am not saying blow your savings on their defence fund but I am 100% sure everyone here could come up with a hundred dollars

or at the very least put up a few links

I want all of you to know I would do it for everyone of you
I hope the rest of you feel the same

[Kinky]

well said Tommy |thumb I sent a couple hundred out to them, good luck guys

[WarBot]

That is interesting and disturbing at the same time. I think more information is needed before making a judgment. Like, what are the authorities calling prostitution? Was it real prostitution or was it paying models for being on film? One is protected, one is not.

Like I said, more information needed.

I never understood that part. How do they seperate the 2? I mean, a pornstar is paid to have sex, so is a prostitute. Do they have a special pornstar license or something? Why cant you hire a prostitute to have sex in a porn movie? Very wierd... I no comprehendo legalsmutimo.

[WarBot]

I think I remember what I heard about the California thing (and this is probably incorrect, so pay no attention to me)

California is the only place in the US that you can make porn movies & videos that involve real sex acts. I think that every other place in the US has to have "simulated sex acts" in the wording for the release.

OIC |thumb

[Kinky]

here is an article from 2005 that kinda explains it a bit WarBot

http://www.sexwork.com/legal/pornorprostitution.html

I thought it was an intersting read

[WarBot]

Thanks for that. I get it now. I will never understand how its anyones business if I pay some chick to have sex with me or if I pay 2 people to have sex. You want to talk about religeon effecting law in the united states, theres a perfect example. Who does it hurt? Why do they care?|huh

[Kinky]

Thanks for that. I get it now. I will never understand how its anyones business if I pay some chick to have sex with me or if I pay 2 people to have sex. You want to talk about religeon effecting law in the united states, theres a perfect example. Who does it hurt? Why do they care?|huh

for some reason it hurts the children |huh

and they care because really religious people with money are sorta nuts :D

[Tommy]

I always wondered about the right wing and why they are so hung up about sex

most people I can figure out why and what motivates them
but with this I am at a total loss

its easy to just cast them all aside by saying they all must have little dicks or something but it cant be true

these people act like they have never been laid
they never had sex in the back of a car
never went to a party in college
never look at porn....cmon

[Maj. Stress]

these people act like they have never been laid
they never had sex in the back of a car
never went to a party in college
never look at porn....cmon
And they don't recognize each other when they meet in a liquor store ;)

[Halfdeck]

Good to see Cash Titans are back:

we are offering an increase in payouts to existing and new affiliates. Our old PPS payout structure was a $20/$25 split for no console/console sales. We are raising it to a $25/$30!

[xxxjay]

A sponsor operating in florida - pensacola - arrested on racketeering charges...

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/NEWS01/606250325/1006

http://www.cashtitans.com/

http://www.cumonherface.com/t4/index.html?

"...the men are believed to be at the heart of the operation that revolved around a Web site with as many as 5,000 registered subscribers who, for $30 a month, can view pornographic films featuring group sex.

The films were made at four houses in Pensacola, a house in Pace and at five hotels in Escambia County, Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar said. Other settings included Interstate 10 and Interstate 110, wooded areas, vehicles and other public places, he said.

The two men, both arrested Friday, were charged with racketeering -- conducting a criminal enterprise by engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material.

They were identified as:

· Site owner Clinton Raymond McCowen, 45, also known as Ray Guhn, who resides in the 1900 block of Rue La Fontaine in Navarre.

· Kevin Patrick Stevens, 36, of the 9700 block of Fowler Avenue in Pensacola, who was a producer and Web site technician."

What program is this?

[Ramster]

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[xxxjay]

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Thanks dood.

I'd say this has more to do with the Florida locals that it does Feds or 2257. Pensacola is a very religious community. When my old band played in Pensacola...religious protesters came out to protest the show. It was pretty cool.