Metal Cash (you have to read it from bottom to top)

[Greenguy]

This is why I wish affiliate programs would do a little research before they put on their "Marketing To Webmasters" hat:

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Greenguy messages history (you have to read it from bottom to top)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
stay away from my scooter and we won't have any problems

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you know how to piss of a fat man? take his scooter away

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:53 PM
To : Greenguy
honestly, I was with you until you mentioned the galleries

you want to know
how you piss off a Link List owner? You tell them that you have galleries for
their script

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
take it easy man, enjoy your night if you can

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if you're busy then tell me you aren't interested, thats all you needed to do

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:48 PM
From : Captain Obvious
So yes, you're the asshole - don't link the sites, sorry for trying to offer
you something new that has potential to make you a bunch of cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
when you said you don't do galleries I gave you the links that nobody else has

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you list something, you're sending us traffic already - I figured you posted a
few of the hosted galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:46 PM
To : Greenguy
I'm the asshole?

do some research before you do this kind of stuff - I run a
Link List that lists Free Sites - I am not a TGP that lists galleries, so when
you tell me that you have all kinds of galleries, you come off as an uninformed
ass

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:45 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if your time is so valuable then don't respond to ICQ or don't put it in the
CONTACT INFORMATION in your account

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I'm trying to help you get tools to promote something hot before everybody else

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its unnecessary

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
like an annoying telemarketer

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you
can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:43 PM
From : Captain Obvious
does that surprise you?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
From : Captain Obvious
none, I'm an account rep, its what I do

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
To : Greenguy
how many webmasters have yelled at you for bugging them on ICQ when you could
have just sent out a newsletter like every other program does?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I assumed you'd want the cf links, if I was wrong just take the "cf" off
123joincf and you'll get the full $12.30 payout per join

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:41 PM
From : Captain Obvious
just take a look at the sites and you'll see why they sell so well

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:41 PM
From : Captain Obvious
www.metalcash.com/co/greenguy.txt

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
they're a great item to have on warning pages .. something cheap but high
quality

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its just not fully released yet, we've done lots of testing we're just
finishing building the tools webmasters need

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:39 PM
From : Captain Obvious
yes, no new accounts, all on the same check as your current payouts

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
To : Greenguy
is it part of the existing program?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
would that interest you at all?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
there are 9 different sites (9 niches)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
oh I see - well I can also give you the links and we'll have banners really
soon

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:23 PM
To : Greenguy
hello

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 6:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hello?

Date : 3/28/2006 Time : 12:24 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hello, I'm your account rep at Metal Cash, how are you doing today?
***

Aside from pissing me off by pitching the galleries that I have little or no use for & aside from the fact that this info could have been emailed to me in a newsletter like every other program does, here's the problems with this:
Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:45 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if your time is so valuable then don't respond to ICQ or don't put it in the
CONTACT INFORMATION in your account
Please note that I didn't reply to the 1st message, but after the 2nd one came across 30 hours later, I only replied because I assumed there was some major problem with my account.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if you're busy then tell me you aren't interested, thats all you needed to do
Ummm...ahhhh...errrrr...well, I did say "no thanks" 25 messages earlier!

I guess the moral of the story is be careful what info you put in when you sign up to promote a program :D

[Toby]

I hope his boss uses BoardTracker. :D

[Ramster]

Whoa....what kind of customer service rep says this?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

That is not good under any circumstances. :(

EDIT: I missed this part too. He is actually YELLING.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:45 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if your time is so valuable then don't respond to ICQ or don't put it in the CONTACT INFORMATION in your account

Again... :(

[Torn Rose]

Nice customer relations, makes me want to run out and sign up....

[fetish1]

lol Perhaps he should go by Captain Oblivious. 32 minutes of harassment per affiliate, and managed to call you an asshole in the process...I dont see this becoming a long term career for him!

[Surfn]

So where are you flying those galleries GG?

[plateman]

not off to a good start...

[juggernaut]

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you list something, you're sending us traffic already - I figured you posted a
few of the hosted galleries

I would take the take that traffic away and see how quick people give you a call with a sorry. Never understood how people can bite the hand that feeds them.

[Greenguy]

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you list something, you're sending us traffic already - I figured you posted a
few of the hosted galleries

I would take the take that traffic away and see how quick people give you a call with a sorry. Never understood how people can bite the hand that feeds them.WOW! I completely missed this part when I was typing up my rant. Wouldn't you think that the rep would have all the info on my account, including where I was sending traffic from?

A quick look at my referrals would probably show 90% of them coming from the category listings on LOR.

Hell - here they are for the 6 sales I've made:
Referrer
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/teens.htm

[RawAlex]

Captain Obvious sort of missed the obvious. That just makes him Captain dufus.

Alex

[MrYum]

Now, where is that 'tool' smiley???

Yea, some affiliate reps are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer |dizzy|

And calling you an asshole? Wow...this one takes dim bulb to new levels! Smooth...very smooooth |crazy|

[Preacher]

Kind of reminds me of Yahoo! camgirls. |shocking|

So far I've only had good communications via IM with account reps.

[emmanuelle]

A pox on the houses of all commission based sales reps

[juggernaut]

Kind of reminds me of Yahoo! camgirls. |shocking|

So far I've only had good communications via IM with account reps.
LOL I deal with it everyday. The questions drive me nuts, all the questions are in the FAQ on the site. When I tell them they should have read it. They get nasty. I just say ok well don't worry i dont need you on the site. Have a nice day.

[PR_Tom]

I once was considering surfing a lot of the link list owners sites that post here, and hitting them up via email or ICQ (if I had it) to see if they wanted any suggestions to convert us. Or just to say hi and let them know my contact info. if they had ads for us up.

But then I remembered also seeing a thread where someone was upset that an affiliate rep emailed them after checking out their list. Most everyone replying in the thread was pretty much saying it was spam. So I scrapped that idea pretty quick. |badidea|

[RawAlex]

PR_Tom, I think that if you want to contact an individual webmaster, you need to come to the table with some info, some understanding, and some really good material that will make a difference.

Personal mail should be personal - no stock format, no cut and paste... make the link list owner think you actually checked out their site and made some notes or have some information. Just firing off a form letter is the fastest way to make people feel like nothing.

Now, you might also want to consider looking at your accounts and trying to group them together... link site owners here, TGP owners there, other programs sending exit hits or whatever over there... then you can segment market at least a bit :)

Alex

[PR_Tom]

I guess I was just kind of trying to say that I can see the desire to go ahead and contact people when you're pumped up about something, but also the need to know the audience a little bit more before hand.

I prefer to be more passive anyway to be honest. I'm around at least 9 to 5 and post on several boards etc. so easy enough access.

It's going to be hard to resists ICQ'g GG the next time we release some FHG's now though! hehe |roses|

[CaptainObvious]

You guys ever known somebody who owns more than one site?

I know its hard to believe but some people do have a few sites other than the one in their account.

I was trying to cover all my bases with Green Guy and I got him everything he needed.

Metal Cash didn't send out the generic email because the 123 Program isn't officially launched yet, I'm specifically hitting webmasters that are already part of the program and sending traffic to get first shot at these sites.

Green Guy was rude to me for no reason, so I was rude to him.

Edit for typo

[emmanuelle]

Dude, you're off to a fine start in your new career -lol
There are at least a dozen program owners here who will never, ever consider you in the future to represent their companies.

Note to Metal Cash: This is what happens when you recruit from the zoo.

[CaptainObvious]

You guys don't even read the full story before taking sides with greenguy because its his board.

emmanuelle .. recruited from a zoo? you attack me and I don't even know you so fuck off.

[Josh@MetalCash]

If GreenGuy would have taken a second and been calm and read then he would have obviously seen that Captain said that this program is not released yet and he was hitting up webmasters before the program launched to give them a change to push this program first... for all of you guys that don't understand. That means no affiliate email yet.

If any of you took the time to visit the link that Captain sent him, you would see that it's a list of sites like he has listed currently. After he said "no thanks" to the galleries he offered him paysite links. Please read and look before you post people.

Sheesh, this is turning into GFY.

[Boogie]

You guys ever known somebody who owns more than one site?

I know its hard to believe but some people do have a few sites other than the one in their account.

I was trying to cover all my bases with Green Guy and I got him everything he needed.

Metal Cash didn't send out the generic email because the 123 Program isn't officially launched yet, I'm specifically hitting webmasters that are already part of the program and sending traffic to get first shot at these sites.

Green Guy was rude to me for no reason, so I was rude to him.

Edit for typo

Dude, look. if you knew much about GG at all you'd known the man is very anti-gallery. he is one of the most outspoken people in the industry about promoting galleries and favors freesites. IT makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing when you approach him on a topic like this.

Its like approaching a christian fundamentalist about getting an abortion for his daughter or a pamela anderson abou buying cheap steak (she's a vegetarian).

we're siding with greenguy because he's synonamous with anti-gallery and pro free site.

if you'd read his board or looked at his major sites or even talked to him first, instead of trying to shove galleries he doesnt want down his throat, you'd ave seen what is an 'obvious" mistake.

[Josh@MetalCash]

Dude, look. if you knew much about GG at all you'd known the man is very anti-gallery. he is one of the most outspoken people in the industry about promoting galleries and favors freesites. IT makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing when you approach him on a topic like this.

Its like approaching a christian fundamentalist about getting an abortion for his daughter or a pamela anderson abou buying cheap steak (she's a vegetarian).

we're siding with greenguy because he's synonamous with anti-gallery and pro free site.

if you'd read his board or looked at his major sites or even talked to him first, instead of trying to shove galleries he doesnt want down his throat, you'd ave seen what is an 'obvious" mistake.

Please see post 21 before you post, or actually read the first post posted by GreenGuy.

You would see;

http://www.metalcash.com/co/greenguy.txt

Paysite links (like the links he has made sales with currently NOT galleries).

[CaptainObvious]

Dude, look. if you knew much about GG at all you'd known the man is very anti-gallery. he is one of the most outspoken people in the industry about promoting galleries and favors freesites. IT makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing when you approach him on a topic like this.

Its like approaching a christian fundamentalist about getting an abortion for his daughter or a pamela anderson abou buying cheap steak (she's a vegetarian).

we're siding with greenguy because he's synonamous with anti-gallery and pro free site.

if you'd read his board or looked at his major sites or even talked to him first, instead of trying to shove galleries he doesnt want down his throat, you'd ave seen what is an 'obvious" mistake.

You're so clever with the 'obvious' mistake line.

If you would read into it I said if he doesn't like galleries I have actual links for him - I didn't force greenguy to look at galleries, I didn't tell him I have nothing for you but galleries, I asked if he wanted galleries, he said no so I gave him links.

It seems quite 'obvious' that I didn't do anything offensive to him before he said I was as annoying as a fucking telemarketer.

It's 'obvious' that everybody here is going to continue to side with greenguy because its 'obviously' his board.

Rediculous guys.

[Boogie]

Please see post 21 before you post, or actually read the first post posted by GreenGuy.

You would see;

http://www.metalcash.com/co/greenguy.txt

Paysite links (like the links he has made sales with currently NOT galleries).


post 21 was posted as I was typing out my response, josh, so please calm down.

irregardless, read the conversation from back to front.


having some background in the telemarketing industry (i know a guy who did it for a living) its obvious what was going on here

Caller: want to buy _____?
greenguy: nope
caller: standard rebuttal
greenguy: no thanks
caller: second rebuttal.


and so forth. its annoying, bad, telemarketing bullshit. and if the rep was informed at all he'd known that starting off talking about galleries is fucking stupid and makes him look like an ass.

and the worst of it is that the rep becomes beligerant after the third rebuttal. calls greenguy an asshole. its pathetic and stupid and its not a great way to run a company.

the only thing that was "GFY" was the messages being shot towards greenguy:

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you
can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

nothing wrong with what greenguy said here. no reason to call him an asshole. after the 2nd rebuttal MOST people on the recieving end start getting upset, which is why MOST states its only legal to rebutt 1 time.

:)

[Boogie]

You're so clever with the 'obvious' mistake line.

If you would read into it I said if he doesn't like galleries I have actual links for him - I didn't force greenguy to look at galleries, I didn't tell him I have nothing for you but galleries, I asked if he wanted galleries, he said no so I gave him links.

It seems quite 'obvious' that I didn't do anything offensive to him before he said I was as annoying as a fucking telemarketer.

It's 'obvious' that everybody here is going to continue to side with greenguy because its 'obviously' his board.

Rediculous guys.

to continue to fall back on the 'its gg's board so everyone will side with him' argument is ludicrious and it shows the major character flaw that you exhibitied in your original conversation. You dont think you can be wrong.

If you'd stop and think about it you could and can see why greenguy got pissed off and instead of realizing it and apologizing for it you grasp for any reason to continue to believe you were right.

Our galleries rock if you dont want them you're wrong.

I called you an asshole if peole say its unfair its cause its your board.

You think you cant be wrong and its impossible to argue with someoen like that, but let me say that you certainly have little to no place in the customer service field with that kind of attitude.

the customer is always right.
you are always wrong if the customer thinks you are.
greenguy thinks you are.
piss off.

[CaptainObvious]

I've contacted over 400 affiliates in the last few days and not one of them was rude to me like greenguy. I wasn't trying to sell him something, I was telling him about a new program that others can't promote which will make him good cash. 99% of webmasters find that to be a GOOD opportunity, not a chance to tell your account rep that he's annoying like a telemarketer.

You're confused about the situation Boogie. Greenguy signed up for Metal Cash on his own, of course I'm going to contact him to try and help him make more money.

[fetish1]

And it's even more "obvious" you just cost yourself many potential affilates by coming here and being an "asshole"

[CaptainObvious]

Our galleries rock if you dont want them you're wrong.

Show me this in my conversation with greenguy.

Greenguy isn't a customer I don't have to go by "the customer is always right" rule - he's an affiliate, signed up to Metal Cash by CHOICE. Entered his contact information on ICQ BY CHOICE.

[Boogie]

I've contacted over 400 affiliates in the last few days and not one of them was rude to me like greenguy. I wasn't trying to sell him something, I was telling him about a new program that others can't promote which will make him good cash. 99% of webmasters find that to be a GOOD opportunity, not a chance to tell your account rep that he's annoying like a telemarketer.

You're confused about the situation Boogie. Greenguy signed up for Metal Cash on his own, of course I'm going to contact him to try and help him make more money.

I fucking assure you that greenguy doesnt need your help to make money.

again that's the "I cant do wrong" and megolomaniacal problem of yours that caused this pissing match to begin with at work.

and if you knew anything about customer service, you'd realize that if you contacted 400 other webmasters and only 1 got pissed off, you have to treat the 1 pissed off one like he's right... that's the basis of the customer service industry my friend.

you should have treated greenguy like a friend or a star and instead you treat him like he's wrong and beneath you.

asinine.

[CaptainObvious]

See above he's not a customer, he's an affiliate. Two very different things.

I fucking assure you that Metal Cash doesn't need green guys help to make money.

I fucking assure you that greenguy doesnt need your help to make money.

again that's the "I cant do wrong" and megolomaniacal problem of yours that caused this pissing match to begin with at work.

and if you knew anything about customer service, you'd realize that if you contacted 400 other webmasters and only 1 got pissed off, you have to treat the 1 pissed off one like he's right... that's the basis of the customer service industry my friend.

you should have treated greenguy like a friend or a star and instead you treat him like he's wrong and beneath you.

asinine.

[Boogie]

Show me this in my conversation with greenguy.

Greenguy isn't a customer I don't have to go by "the customer is always right" rule - he's an affiliate, signed up to Metal Cash by CHOICE. Entered his contact information on ICQ BY CHOICE.

cant quote it, you never said it directly, but it seemed like your intent.

but, I can quote you on something else;

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
stay away from my scooter and we won't have any problems

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you know how to piss of a fat man? take his scooter away

For what its worth I am fat and comments like this arent helping your case.

[Boogie]

See above he's not a customer, he's an affiliate. Two very different things.

I fucking assure you that Metal Cash doesn't need green guys help to make money.

if you dont understand that webmasters are your customers too, your most IMPORTANT customers, then you're beyond my help honest to god.

you think fucking MICROSOFT doesnt consider DELL a customer? and dell redisturbites their product to thousands of PC's in a day, making them one of the most important customers.

if this little basic tidbit of customer service has not found purchase in your brain I find it unlikely you're in the right field.

[CaptainObvious]

Thanks boogie but I know plenty about sales and I do understand webmasters, most likely better than you do.

I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I don't care.


if you dont understand that webmasters are your customers too, your most IMPORTANT customers, then you're beyond my help honest to god.

you think fucking MICROSOFT doesnt consider DELL a customer? and dell redisturbites their product to thousands of PC's in a day, making them one of the most important customers.

if this little basic tidbit of customer service has not found purchase in your brain I find it unlikely you're in the right field.

[Josh@MetalCash]

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you
can just send out a newsletter & be done with it


nothing wrong with what greenguy said here. no reason to call him an asshole. after the 2nd rebuttal MOST people on the recieving end start getting upset, which is why MOST states its only legal to rebutt 1 time.



:)

Again Boogie, please read before you start posting.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its just not fully released yet, we've done lots of testing we're just
finishing building the tools webmasters need

Sent at 10:40PM

That's before GreenGuy flipped out 4 minutes later saying;

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Personally I see something very wrong with that actually, GreenGuy flipping out on Captain instead of reading and seeing that the 123 Program isn't launched yet and Captain is infact going webmaster to webmaster giving them a chance to make cash with this.

[Boogie]

Again Boogie, please read before you start posting.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its just not fully released yet, we've done lots of testing we're just
finishing building the tools webmasters need

Sent at 10:40PM

That's before GreenGuy flipped out 4 minutes later saying;

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Personally I see something very wrong with that actually, GreenGuy flipping out on Captain instead of reading and seeing that the 123 Program isn't launched yet and Captain is infact going webmaster to webmaster giving them a chance to make cash with this.

well josh, that's your opinion.

and I bet that the idiot who calls my house during dinner to sell me some great money saving oppurtunity has the same fucking opinion.

but if the reciever of the call or the recieiver of the ICQ doesnt want the fucking spam bullshit taking up his time a quick apology from the rep isnt so much to be expected is it?

but instead you folks seem to think its a better idea to call him an asshole.

the guy you were just appealing to to help make you money is now the guy you're screaming at.

and then you still dont see anything wrong with that, then i'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise. have a great day but just realize that most people arent going to see it your way, or the telemarkerters way.

[Surfn]

If it were me I would pull all the metal cash links GG |banghead|

[Chop Smith]

I am off to make fillers out of those wonderful tgp galleries |haha

[Boogie]

I just signed up to metalcash because no other program in the industry will provide this kind of first class service like posting on message board that they dont need me and calling me an asshole over icq.

:)

[CaptainObvious]

I just signed up to metalcash because no other program in the industry will provide this kind of first class service like posting on message board that they dont need me and calling me an asshole over icq.

:)

GOOD. I'll be contacting you, don't be an asshat and we won't have any problems.

|cry| |cry| |cry|

[fetish1]

Hmm, with the board member count here being: 5,928 ya think they MAY have cut their own throats with more than just GG? |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

[CaptainObvious]

Hmm, with the board member count here being: 5,928 ya think they MAY have cut their own throats with more than just GG? |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|
doubtful but thanks for your concern

[Greenguy]

Bottom line is that I was fine until he mentioned galleries & that set me off. As a Link List owner, I can not fucking stand when people try to push galleries on me.

Had he looked at my referrals, he'd have seen that they all of the sales I've generated came from link-o-rama.com & they are all listed under Pay Sites on the category pages.

So because this ass basically cold called me & did no homework, I'm the ass for getting upset?

And let's not pretend that this little ICQ marketing ploy was not just a way to get personal with your affiliates. You've done this with 400 webmasters? Really? I'm betting that's most, if not all of your affiliates. I base this on my sales rank for this Pay Period that you have posted in the stats area:
Sales Rank: #14

I've sent TWO sales this period.

If your #14 affiliate has 2 sales, you do not have much more than 400 affiliates total. Send a fucking email like everyone else does.

Captain Obvious should have given up when I said no thanks. He should have realized that he was ignorant to my needs as a webmaster when I said that I didn't do that much with galleries.

Hell, according to CaptainObvious, he should have never sent me the 2nd ICQ, since I didn't reply to the 1st one.

[Boogie]

GOOD. I'll be contacting you, don't be an asshat and we won't have any problems.

|cry| |cry| |cry|

the fact that you're still in this thread, still havent backed down or apologized, and still havent realized your mistakes is mind blowing to me.

its like talking to a brick wall. a brick wall with a shitty attitude.

[Boogie]

Sales Rank: #14

I've sent TWO sales this period.

If your #14 affiliate has 2 sales, you do not have much more than 400 affiliates total. Send a fucking email like everyone else does.


hey but just a few posts ago he said he doesnt need you greenguy to make money! |thumb

I cant believe these two guys are in here defending an operation that's probably pulling in less money in a month than they could make selling lemonade on the fucking corner.

[fetish1]

doubtful but thanks for your concern

LMAO Not only have you shown that you have crap for biz sense but you have proven a tremendous amount of ignorance too if you think your attitude in this thread didn't cost you ANY possible affiliates from this board! |dizzy|

[Useless]

Just let me know if I need to chime in here. |thumb

[Greenguy]

Just let me know if I need to chime in here. |thumbNothing would please me more :)

[CaptainObvious]

Bottom line is that I was fine until he mentioned galleries & that set me off. As a Link List owner, I can not fucking stand when people try to push galleries on me.

Had he looked at my referrals, he'd have seen that they all of the sales I've generated came from link-o-rama.com & they are all listed under Pay Sites on the category pages.

So because this ass basically cold called me & did no homework, I'm the ass for getting upset?

And let's not pretend that this little ICQ marketing ploy was not just a way to get personal with your affiliates. You've done this with 400 webmasters? Really? I'm betting that's most, if not all of your affiliates. I base this on my sales rank for this Pay Period that you have posted in the stats area:
Sales Rank: #14

I've sent TWO sales this period.

If your #14 affiliate has 2 sales, you do not have much more than 400 affiliates total. Send a fucking email like everyone else does.

Captain Obvious should have given up when I said no thanks. He should have realized that he was ignorant to my needs as a webmaster when I said that I didn't do that much with galleries.

Hell, according to CaptainObvious, he should have never sent me the 2nd ICQ, since I didn't reply to the 1st one.

Lots of webmasters did two sales with our program, more did one, we have smaller webmasters and bigger webmasters, you're in the middle.

If you think our #1-13 affiliates do 1-2 joins a day each you're straight out wrong.

I don't understand where you guys get the "cold calls" and "telemarketing" bullshit from - I'm not trying to sell you anything, I just wanted to tell you about our new sites.

I don't care if you only have 1 site, I start off with everybody giving them galleries to see where they direct me since MOST webmasters own more than 1 site - you're the ONLY person to turn it into such a big issue.

I'm done here, I have more important things to work on, like I said in the ICQ, don't list the 123 sites on greenguy, I don't give a fuck.

[Ramster]

That's before GreenGuy flipped out 4 minutes later saying;

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Personally I see something very wrong with that actually, GreenGuy flipping out on Captain instead of reading and seeing that the 123 Program isn't launched yet and Captain is infact going webmaster to webmaster giving them a chance to make cash with this.

The PROBLEM is your rep's response to that was "don't be an asshole"

THAT is the problem I have. Right away your rep is calling a valued affiliate (all affiliates are valuable IMO) an asshole. Don't you think there's a problem with that??????????????

If Greenguy said hey you're an asshole for contacting me, fuck off Captain still should just say sorry you feel that way. Good bye. Calling affiliates an asshole should NEVER EVER be an okay thing to do. |huh

[Chop Smith]

Just let me know if I need to chime in here. |thumb
Can you ICQ Greenguy and see if he will list the tgp galleries for your new site on Link-O-Rama? Bet he will not be as nice to you as he was to stupid. He would probably call you a useless cocksucker.

Bring the |popcorn|

[CaptainObvious]

hey but just a few posts ago he said he doesnt need you greenguy to make money! |thumb

I cant believe these two guys are in here defending an operation that's probably pulling in less money in a month than they could make selling lemonade on the fucking corner.

Haha, yeah probably. Affiliates are everything right? Everybody knows paysites can't thrive without affiliates! ... or maybe affiliates just bring in more money than we're already making ... whatever you wanna think :)

LUNCH! good bye guys

[fetish1]

Just let me know if I need to chime in here. |thumb

I assumed you were on your death bed when this post had gone this far and we hadn't heard from you! ;-)

[Boogie]

Haha, yeah probably. Affiliates are everything right? Everybody knows paysites can't thrive without affiliates! ... or maybe affiliates just bring in more money than we're already making ... whatever you wanna think :)

LUNCH! good bye guys

I would like to think you're not so stupid that you're trying to now say that affiliates arent important after you just said a few posts ago you individually contacted 400 of them earlier this week.

but I cant :(

[fetish1]

I base this on my sales rank for this Pay Period that you have posted in the stats area:
Sales Rank: #14

I've sent TWO sales this period.

If your #14 affiliate has 2 sales, you do not have much more than 400 affiliates total.

|jester| omg over 400 affiliates is what he mentions and 386+ of them have less than 2 sales in 15 out of a 16 day payout period....woohoo, hate that I am missing out on that kinda income. NOT!

[Preacher]

I would like to think you're not so stupid that you're trying to now say that affiliates arent important...
That was my read. :(

Well traffic is as traffic does, and we'll see how they get that traffic when the afffiliates are gone.

[Torn Rose]

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks
__________________________

Once this has been said what else is there left to say other then "Thank you have a nice day"?

This is where it went from "just letting you know" to "telemarketing/spam"

[swedguy]

Welcome to Cyber Zoo!
Don't feed the trolls and keep all limbs away from the cages.

[Josh@MetalCash]

I would like to think you're not so stupid that you're trying to now say that affiliates arent important after you just said a few posts ago you individually contacted 400 of them earlier this week.

but I cant :(

Boogie.

I have come to 2 conclusions with you.

1) You don't read posts.

2) You read but just don't understand and assume things.

NEVER did Captain say that affiliates aren't important, just that they aren't our main income source.

Don't assume things.

Affiliates are important and it's Captains job to contact them to get them making cash with the program and he's doing a damn good job.

[Josh@MetalCash]

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks
__________________________

Once this has been said what else is there left to say other then "Thank you have a nice day"?

This is where it went from "just letting you know" to "telemarketing/spam"

I have never once, not once been left alone after I've said "No thanks" to an affiliate manager.

If an affiliate manger quits there, they are bad reps.

We have many tools to offer so if an affiliate doesn't like one, we can offer them more.

[Toby]

unfuckinbelievable

[docholly]

I'd hit it. :D

Oh wait.. wrong board.. someone must have opened the cages.

oh and no fucking fat jokes or i'll have to sit on someone!! |escape|

[Boogie]

Boogie.

I have come to 2 conclusions with you.

1) You don't read posts.

2) You read but just don't understand and assume things.

NEVER did Captain say that affiliates aren't important, just that they aren't our main income source.

Don't assume things.

Affiliates are important and it's Captains job to contact them to get them making cash with the program and he's doing a damn good job.

josh forgive me if you're friends butcherjob on the english language leaves room for interpretation and forgive me for trying to make sense of it.

you certainly are smarter than the captainobvious fellow in your employment, you should probably be doing the rep'ing and posting and not that doofus with a shitpot attitude and a lack of communication skills.

for what its worth you dont know me, if you did, you'd know I almost finished a degree in literature and am quite capable of reading and understanding most posts, especially finding subtext, as I've done with what your friend has written. :)

[Josh@MetalCash]

I base this on my sales rank for this Pay Period that you have posted in the stats area:
Sales Rank: #14

I've sent TWO sales this period.

If your #14 affiliate has 2 sales, you do not have much more than 400 affiliates total.

|jester| omg over 400 affiliates is what he mentions and 386+ of them have less than 2 sales in 15 out of a 16 day payout period....woohoo, hate that I am missing out on that kinda income. NOT!

Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs. To think that the first 10affiliates aren't doing 200+ sales a period each is being oblvious and stupid.

[Josh@MetalCash]

josh forgive me if you're friends butcherjob on the english language leaves room for interpretation and forgive me for trying to make sense of it.

you certainly are smarter than the captainobvious fellow in your employment, you should probably be doing the rep'ing and posting and not that doofus with a shitpot attitude and a lack of communication skills.

for what its worth you dont know me, if you did, you'd know I almost finished a degree in literature and am quite capable of reading and understanding most posts, especially finding subtext, as I've done with what your friend has written. :)

That's good. I am happy for you.

Tons of people are different, this is the internet, it's hard to read people. Captain says things like he means them. Affiliates aren't everything, he is right, that doesn't mean they aren't important which is exactly what he said and I know that's exactly what he means.

Subtext on the internet is like a blind woman playing guess your cock size with your pants still on. |loony|

Emotions don't exist on the internet, impossible to read.

[fetish1]

Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs. To think that the first 10affiliates aren't doing 200+ sales a period each is being oblvious and stupid.

Hmm, obviously you haven't been around long, YES GG did run an affiliate program, and I didn't see either of us quote what we suspected the top 10 were making...did you???

[Josh@MetalCash]

Hmm, obviously you haven't been around long, YES GG did run an affiliate program, and I didn't see either of us quote what we suspected the top 10 were making...did you???

"Did run...."

[Toby]

Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs...FYI, a number of the people that have responded in this thread do indeed run affiliate programs and are just as stunned as the rest of us with the attitudes diplayed by you and your rep.

If I found out that someone representing my company had behaved in such a manner they'd now be seeking employment elsewhere.

[Josh@MetalCash]

FYI, a number of the people that have responded in this thread do indeed run affiliate programs and are just as stunned as the rest of us with the attitudes diplayed by you and your rep.

If I found out that someone representing my company had behaved in such a manner they'd now be seeking employment elsewhere.

I wasn't talking to everyone on the board, I was talking to fetish1 and GreenGuy.. READ!

It's a good thing that he doesn't work for you then.

[fetish1]

"Did run...."

I find it oddly amusing, you keep suggesting that people only read part or none of the facts and yet in my two line response, you quote two words and TOTALLY MISS the question that was asked... LOL Perhaps practice what you preach or don't preach! |thumb

[Useless]

From what I'm reading here, the problem seems fairly obvious (pun intended) - the people who run Metal Cash are a bunch of unbelievably ignorant cunts who don't have enough affiliates to make their program worth running, so they're spending their afternoon here continuing this piss thread in order to draw attention to themselves. A roadkill racoon's ass which as been rotting in the sun for three days would leave a better taste in my mouth than Metal Cash's performance here today.

I've had a few sponsor reps hit me up in the past with nothing more than a "hey there, I'm your rep, let me know if you need anything" and they always know enough to leave me alone when I don't express any interest. Good on 'em. But that CaptainOrifice dude is one dumb fucker. That, or he's just starved or attention. He's a neglected child wandering around looking for hugs. It's all so sad.

[Useless]

Affiliates aren't everything, he is right, that doesn't mean they aren't important which is exactly what he said and I know that's exactly what he means. Good - then go the fuck away. If your program doesn't need affiliates, I guess no one else will be receiving ICQs from your annoying monkeyboy.

[Toby]

I wasn't talking to everyone on the board, I was talking to fetish1 and GreenGuy.. READ!

It's a good thing that he doesn't work for you then.
Oh I did read, every single word, and so have many others. You're diggin yourself a pretty big hole here. My point was that others in your position are just as appalled as I am, so your doesn't "run affiliate programs" point is meaningless.

Yes, it is good that he doesn't work for me. I can also guarantee you that none of his salary will ever be in part paid from any sales I might have sent your direction.

[Josh@MetalCash]

I find it oddly amusing, you keep suggesting that people only read part or none of the facts and yet in my two line response, you quote two words and TOTALLY MISS the question that was asked... LOL Perhaps practice what you preach or don't preach! |thumb

Naw, I read it.

Just you implying that affiliates aren't making money with my program isn't cool.

And like I said before it's hard to tell what people actual imply over the internet so I could be wrong with you saying that people aren't making a good income with my program and assuming that you mean everyone above him.

;)

[sukime69]

OK, let me get this right to make sure I can read and understand.....

This started as "I want to help you" and turned into the "dont be an asshole" remark. Seems somebody missed a few lessons in Basic Customer Service 101. Anybody that worked for me that did that would be out the door immediately.

But the thing that I find the most offensive is Josh coming in and trying to back him up and justify his inexcusable behaviour. If it we me and I was the bos there, I would be coming in trying to clean up the mess that had been made, not jumping in the ring to sling punches myself.

I do run an affiliate program and realize that not only are my affiliates also my customers, they rank right up there as the most important. I just dont see how anybody could miss that. Is it just me??

[Josh@MetalCash]

From what I'm reading here, the problem seems fairly obvious (pun intended) - the people who run Metal Cash are a bunch of unbelievably ignorant cunts who don't have enough affiliates to make their program worth running, so they're spending their afternoon here continuing this piss thread in order to draw attention to themselves. A roadkill racoon's ass which as been rotting in the sun for three days would leave a better taste in my mouth than Metal Cash's performance here today.

I've had a few sponsor reps hit me up in the past with nothing more than a "hey there, I'm your rep, let me know if you need anything" and they always know enough to leave me alone when I don't express any interest. Good on 'em. But that CaptainOrifice dude is one dumb fucker. That, or he's just starved or attention. He's a neglected child wandering around looking for hugs. It's all so sad.

Wow, you really are a useless warrior. I am not surprised at all that over 70% of your posts is insults.

Good job you are an experienced keyboard warrior, you should get a medal from everyone here.

[Toby]

...I just dont see how anybody could miss that. Is it just me??Nope, not just you. I only see two people posting in this thread that have missed that. :D

[fetish1]

Hmm, with the board member count here being: 5,928 ya think they MAY have cut their own throats with more than just GG? |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

doubtful but thanks for your concern

I can also guarantee you that none of his salary will ever be in part paid from any sales I might have sent your direction.

But that just can't be Toby...C.O. already stated that they have done themselves NO damage here! |thumb

[Josh@MetalCash]

OK, let me get this right to make sure I can read and understand.....

This started as "I want to help you" and turned into the "dont be an asshole" remark. Seems somebody missed a few lessons in Basic Customer Service 101. Anybody that worked for me that did that would be out the door immediately.

But the thing that I find the most offensive is Josh coming in and trying to back him up and justify his inexcusable behaviour. If it we me and I was the bos there, I would be coming in trying to clean up the mess that had been made, not jumping in the ring to sling punches myself.

I do run an affiliate program and realize that not only are my affiliates also my customers, they rank right up there as the most important. I just dont see how anybody could miss that. Is it just me??

When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing.

Sorry if you don't like my practices. Best of luck with your program.

[juggernaut]

This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

[YaFool]

Hello

I think obviously not good name for the representative of the available money of metal. Except that it will be obviously asshoel

YaFoool

[plateman]

Hi metal cash guys, I joined your program yesterday and talked with one of you on icq with a couple of questions I had, and I wont be promting your program.. insight of this thread, I'll leave the links I put up but thats about it....

[Josh@MetalCash]

If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.

After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

[Useless]

Wow, you really are a useless warrior. And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".
Good job you are an experienced keyboard warrior, you should get a medal from everyone here.Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing.Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.

[Josh@MetalCash]

And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".
Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.

Make sure you bookmark the thread then so you don't have to search all the time.

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.

[Useless]

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed. |waves|

[Toby]

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?

[Josh@MetalCash]

Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed. |waves|

You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.

Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.

Thanks! |thumb

[Josh@MetalCash]

The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?

No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.

[Toby]

No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.Sometimes you conform, because it's good business to do so. But I wouldn't expect you to understand such a far sighted concept.

[juggernaut]

If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.1st he is not pushing here, you are he has posted maybe 3 or 4 times on this topic. Everyone else is pushing. You, me and the other members.

After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?The thing I see wrong here is he said he was not interested, even if you were trying to remind him that he is promoing something for you already own it don't matter. He said no thanks. Any smart salesman knows when to back off and come back another day. They surly know not to insult a partner. That's just crazy. Sure GG called the guy an asshole at that point the guy should have just backed off and said sorry to bother you. He made it clear he was having a bad day/night leave him alone. Try again the next day. Maybe try a differant route, e-mail during the day, explain you ment no harm and would like to keep up good business and I bet he would talk it over with you. The guy helps people out and has for sometime, people like that are not assholes but everyone has a breaking point. Thing is a smart salesman knows when to back off and yours did not. Now you are here defending him and your program trying to save face but your not helping. Best advice I can give you now is just let it die man.

[Jim]

I guess I will chime in...
I have run affiliate programs from 1996-3 years ago the 1st of this month. And yes, I have used icq to both offer new sites and programs to existing affiliates and to entice new affiliates. But never, have I been rude to anyone that said no to me. Even if they were rude to me, I apologized for bothering them and moved on. Never, would I ever consider calling an existing affiliate an asshole. That is just bad for business. And, I would have never considered contacting the existing affiliate without knowing everything I could about not only their traffic but also them, personally. Nothing works quite as well as asking about the family. Knowing Greenie the way I do, if your sites worked well for him, he would have jumped all over them and promoted them to death.

The other thing I would have done as the owner of that program would have to come here and to apologize for their employee, not stick up for them.

The problem with Marketing people that don't know how to market is the attitude mentioned earlier. The affiliate is not our customer. While technically that is true, they should still be treated that way. Affiliates are your bread and butter.

And if some of the linklist owners here (and there are a lot), decided to make it a rule, "If you promote MetalCash, you will not be listed", how much do you think that would hurt?

This entire problem started with someone trying to market that really has no idea what they are doing.

[Chop Smith]

When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?

[Useless]

You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.Boy, don't I feel humbled. I don't know how I am going live with myself knowing that Josh from Metal Cash doesn't love or respect me. With all of the support Metal Cash has seen here today, it's simply amazing that I don't feel wrong.
Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.Oh grow up! What was libelous about my statement? "No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types." Where did I state that Metal Cash believes affiliates are useless?

[Useless]

When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?Careful Chop! Josh is on the phone with his attorney right now seeing what he can do about squelching everyones opinions of MetalCash.

This thread is excellent SE fodder for both 'Metal Cash' and 'MetalCash' searches.

[Carl]

Maybe I was reading it wrong, but you said all he needed to do was say no thanks... Is this not what he said? Maybe Obvious said it?


Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks


He didnt say maybe, he didnt say later, he didnt say next week.

He said "no thanks". He was trying to say no, and be nice...

I have some advice for you guys...

If some one says something bad about you, your program, or the people who work for you. Say you are sorry for what ever problem that may have been caused, and that you will fix it, or try to fix it.

Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.

[Boogie]

this thread is great :)

[Useless]

Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.Plus, this is THE board for link list owners and free site builders. Out of hundreds of link lists, we all know that there are only about 15-20 lists which control the traffic and, among them, there is only a handful of owners that are well-know and respected. CaptainObvious, not realizing who he was speaking with (as a good rep should), called very possibly the single most respected and influential link list owner an asshole. Just plain bad business.

[Greenguy]

Lots of webmasters did two sales with our program, more did one, we have smaller webmasters and bigger webmasters, you're in the middle.

If you think our #1-13 affiliates do 1-2 joins a day each you're straight out wrong....
I never said any of that. What I said was that I'm ranked 14th & I've done 2 sales in this pay period (2 weeks). So obviously, 1 thru 13 have 2 or more sales in the last 2 weeks. My comments was that based off your numbers of contacting 400 webmasters by ICQ instead of sending out a newsletter is this: I don't think you have more than 400 webmasters & that a newsletter would have been just fine. I think your little ICQ fest was a way to make all of your affiliates feel special & warm & cozy because you're letting them in on a "secret" I was also attempting to make a jab that if I'm 14th with 2 sales this pay period, then I....well, I'll let others draw their own conclusions :D

...I don't understand where you guys get the "cold calls" and "telemarketing" bullshit from - I'm not trying to sell you anything, I just wanted to tell you about our new sites.

I don't care if you only have 1 site, I start off with everybody giving them galleries to see where they direct me since MOST webmasters own more than 1 site - you're the ONLY person to turn it into such a big issue...If you assume that every webmaster has a TGP, then you are a complete ass & you have no business as a marketing rep. You should have done some homework.

Affiliates are everything right? Everybody knows paysites can't thrive without affiliates! ... Then why even have the program? Close it down if affiliates don't mean that much to you.


I have never once, not once been left alone after I've said "No thanks" to an affiliate manager.

If an affiliate manger quits there, they are bad reps....So because you've been treated with disrespect in the past, you advise your people to treat affiliates with disrespect as well?

...We have many tools to offer so if an affiliate doesn't like one, we can offer them more.So why not start out by saying that instead of assuming that everyone needs galleries?

Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs. To think that the first 10affiliates aren't doing 200+ sales a period each is being oblvious and stupid.Obviously there is a drop, but I doubt it comes right at 10.


When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing...Now you know how I felt as soon as CaptainObvious asked me if I wanted some galleries for my script.

[MrYum]

Wow! This thread became a party! And quite an enlightening one at that! Kinda interesting to watch a program burn bridges in a public forum :D

I'm not even going to repeat all the obvious things...it's already been said so many times and OBVIOUSLY isn't getting through |banghead|

Ummm...Josh, if you think this thread hasn't cost you affiliates...you might just be more clueless than your monkey boy |crazy|

Agreed UW, let's make sure this thread pops up on searches for Metal Cash :D

[Surfn]

|popcorn|


BTW MetalCash is now banned from all my traffic pumps. Have a nice day and on with the show :D

[Boogie]

Metalcash,

making complete asses of themselves on the only board that is pure business, so everyone will see it (unlike other boards where it would get burried with "HOT OR NOT LOL (PICS) threads".

i fucking LOVE this thread.

[Boogie]

I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?

[emmanuelle]

I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?

hmmm... I think 1+2+3 does not equal 4

[Linkster]

All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7571

[Boogie]

linkster hits with the double kill A+

[Surfn]

All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7571
Glad to see I'm not the only one who's memory still works :D

[RawAlex]

Wow, nice to see this thread has taken on a life of it's own. It is also really funny to watch people try to squirm away from the obvious.

Captain Obvious: I think the most obvious thing at play here is that you very likely live in your mom's basement, aren't old enough to get a drink in Vegas, and have the social skills of poorly formed concrete (IE: none). You started uninformed, moved along to rude, stepped through individually insulting and moved right on to insulting pretty much all potential affiliates for the program. I would have to say that Josh is getting good value for money here, provided you are paying him.

Your name calling insulting "asshole" and "asshat" might not raise an eyebrow over at go fark thyself, but here you are pretty much done, reduced to the level of unamusing child banging the back of my seat on an airplane.

Josh, let me give you a business tip: When your "staff" starts calling your affiliates names, the best choice usually is to come in, explain that your new affiliate guy is, well, uncultured, and apologize for his potty mouth. Coming here and standing behind his insults and rude behavior and adding your own on the top tells me that the captain learned his affiliate skills from you. Sadly, you had no skill, so he learned nothing.

I am totally shocked that I can type metalcash without it being turned into ******** at this point.

Metalcash sites go off my acceptable program lists as well.

Alex

[MrYum]

All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7571
Ah, I hadn't made the connection...thanks for the slam dunk Linster |thumb

Given the history, this thread isn't really so surprising now. This team lives and dies by skirting the edges, then simply shutting down when too many bad decisions mount up. The good news is...with the kind of business savvy displayed here...they very likely won't be around long.

[sue-fl]

WOW!! I just read all the posts!

Called Greenguy an asshole |angry|
Put down affiliates, talking like you don't need us.
Insulted a lot of other people from this board.

You have only screwed yourselves, and you'll realize that soon enough. That fact that you won't apologize to Greenguy is so messed up. I would never want to be an affiliate for your program, but that's ok cause you don't need us anyways.........|pokefun|

[nekrom]

I read 5 pages of hilarity, cired tears of laughter, read it all over again & then noted to myself said program are yoyo's.

-N

[Vivaldi]

this post has it all ... the plot, the drama and the BIG BANG at the end ...
so after 5 pages I'm ready to take'em off but then realized I didn't even signup for them :-)
lucky me

[CrazySy]

Here is another program I would never touch, oh wait......they don't need me anyways :D :D

[nibbler]

This is just fuckin unbelievable. I went to metalcash.com to check them out and noticed that CaptainObvious was hired just 10 days ago. Exactly what are the criteria the HR department use when hiring empoyees:

1) Must be able to cause drama on adult webby boards
2) alienate many current and potential affiliates
3) piss off large LL webmaster affiliates

|badidea|

[MrYum]

This is just fuckin unbelievable. I went to metalcash.com to check them out and noticed that CaptainObvious was hired just 10 days ago. Exactly what are the criteria the HR department use when hiring empoyees:

1) Must be able to cause drama on adult webby boards
2) alienate many current and potential affiliates
3) piss off large LL webmaster affiliates

|badidea|
Yup, but this thread isn't going to cost them any business...nope, not at all cuz they're soooo smart and don't need affiliates anyway |badidea|

Oh, almost forgot... "Metal Cash" ... "MetalCash" ... "METAL CASH" :D

[Boogie]

I mean I think that this metalcash review serves as a great discussion for metal cash review and it gives metal cash a lot to think about. I mean if you're wondering whether or not metal cash, also known as metalcash at metalcash.com may be cheaters or non payers or something, this thread would be a great way to find out by reading this thread especially if you're coming from google or other engines.

[fetish1]

I mean I think that this metalcash review serves as a great discussion for metal cash review and it gives metal cash a lot to think about. I mean if you're wondering whether or not metal cash, also known as metalcash at metalcash.com may be cheaters or non payers or something, this thread would be a great way to find out by reading this thread especially if you're coming from google or other engines.

|haha I think that deserves repeating!! |thumb


NOTE: Not slamming EVERYONE who is young, but this may explain some of the lack of business sense....
From another board:
Posted January 4th by uvort (aka Josh): "Just turned 20 2 months ago"
|huh

[Simon]

Maybe we need a minimum age requirement. Not just for posting here, but for being an adult webmaster. Or at least for running paysites and affiliate programs.

Then again, maybe we just need a test.

Something like "draw lines to connect the webmaster names on the right-hand column with the websites they own in the left-hand column."

[BOSS]

|haha I think that deserves repeating!! |thumb


NOTE: Not slamming EVERYONE who is young, but this may explain some of the lack of business sense....
From another board:
Posted January 4th by uvort (aka Josh): "Just turned 20 2 months ago"
|huh

I am 22 still in university....and I think I know how to talk to people...
Please let me know if I am wrong.

I think these guys are just misderecting their frustrations...and this biz is full of them. Like when I started out nobody wanted to trade links with me but I did not call them assholes...I understood and said: thank you and when I get more traffic I hope you change your mind |headbang|

[EvilFubAr]

I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?

Step one: steal underpants...

[RawAlex]

Step two: Soil the underpants

[juggernaut]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they start seeing the traffic stats fall and have the hardest time getting them back up (if they can). We have all been there. You try something to increase the traffic and the next few days watch it like a hawk only to see it's not really doing what you had hoped and now you have to come up with a new plan. Oh man that just sucks, but when you do it to yourself it's kind of funny.

[natalie]

I read this fiasco just after reading a welcome email I got from Blazing Bucks and the contrast is amazing! John must have spent ages looking around my linklist, complimented me on a number of things :D (that always works for me) Then he offered assistance with stuff that actually was of some use to my sites.. even down to images the same size as I use on ads there.
I only joined Blazing Bucks because I use hfslinks.com and need some free sites lol. But due that lovely personal email I will be going back and taking a better look at what they have to offer.

[MrYum]

There's an old saying that goes something to the effect of "Don't shit where you eat"...

These guys just dumped a big steaming load right in the middle of their dinner plates |loony|

Oh, Step three: 'Whoopsie, me did a messy'

[SirMoby]

Green Guy was rude to me for no reason, so I was rude to him.
That statement and notice that no apologies are coming from Josh speaks volumes about the professionalism of Metal Cash. |crazy|

Good luck guys.

[Blazing]

I read this fiasco just after reading a welcome email I got from Blazing Bucks and the contrast is amazing! John must have spent ages looking around my linklist, complimented me on a number of things :D (that always works for me) Then he offered assistance with stuff that actually was of some use to my sites.. even down to images the same size as I use on ads there.
I only joined Blazing Bucks because I use hfslinks.com and need some free sites lol. But due that lovely personal email I will be going back and taking a better look at what they have to offer.

Natalie.. Thanks for the good word on our program...!!! Let us know if we can help you in any way with traffic and sales.

[Chop Smith]

I read this fiasco just after reading a welcome email I got from Blazing Bucks and the contrast is amazing! John must have spent ages looking around my linklist, complimented me on a number of things :D (that always works for me) Then he offered assistance with stuff that actually was of some use to my sites.. even down to images the same size as I use on ads there.
I only joined Blazing Bucks because I use hfslinks.com and need some free sites lol. But due that lovely personal email I will be going back and taking a better look at what they have to offer.
When I signed up to put their links on hfslinks.com, they did the same for me. Refreshing isn't it. They do know how to work with affiliiates.

[plateman]

Natalie.. Thanks for the good word on our program...!!! Let us know if we can help you in any way with traffic and sales.
looks good to me and I think I'll bookmark your program and sign soon

[wolfie]

Ah, it actually was worth to go thru this thread.
Found two programs I don't promote and signed up to one already. Hard to quess which one it is. :)

[Simon]

Yep, I'd definitely vote for BlazingBucks.com too. I just started promoting them on a low-traffic MGP and have had signups for 1000facials (1:333), Throated (1:165), and OnlyTeenBlowjobs (1:917). Pretty good for MGP traffic.


Simon

P.S. I do wish they had some nice wide banners, something around 700px wide for each site would be great.

[mOrrI]

allways nice to get insulted :(

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious -
"Green Guy was rude to me for no reason, so I was rude to him."

I agree with Sir Moby. This does say it all :) When you work with "the public", be it paying customers, affiliates, or just people, you should never be rude to them, no matter how annoying they are. "He started it", is something I hear from my kids at home (2 and 4 years old) and has no place when you do business.

Sometimes it's not easy sitting on our hands and not typing back what we think. Bottom line though, whether you're a sponsor rep, a moderator on a board or "just a webmaster", it's best not to be rude and aggressive. Just doesn't reflect well on your business.