Percentage Bookmarkers and Page Views/Visit

[neveremail]

I've been building up some of my hubs and listing a alot of my freesites on the front page. Its mostly freesite traffic filtering through to my hub index.

Using AWstats generally I have seen 2-3 pages being viewed by a surfer per visit and 10-20% of surfers bookmarking the site.

Now I am seeing over 7 page views per surfer per visit and over 30% bookmarkers. Is it possible I am giving way too much away on my index linking to the freesites or should I be happy that I am attracting bookmarkers and that they like to look around my site? |huh

The freesites are reasonably easy to find so should I be making it harder for a surfer to get to them, for example putting them on a second page, or hiding them out of the way somewhere on the front page.

[alessandro]

nevermail, I believe that if surfers stay more on your site once they reach it then it's great.
From SEs point of view ( and it seems just logical to me ) if surfers stay more on a site than it's quality, it has something of value that surfers are interested in, unlike spammy non-quality sites which in most cases get closed in the first 10 seconds or so ( and they can get this data, mostly Google through the toolbar ).

The increased number of bookmarkes is great, don't worry about that, at least I never do when I see more bookmarkers :D

Don't "hide" the freesites, just make sure that BEFORE the freesites you have some tasty banners/text links to make the surfer click them and give you a chance to make some money :)

[Greenguy]

Bookmarkers are great for hubs, link lists, tgp, etc. They bookmark you because they like your listings, so they'll come back & look to see what's new the next day/week/whatever.

They also build up a level of trust with you & your site, which means they might be comfortable enough to bust out that CC :)

[neveremail]

For those of you that use AWstats what sort of percentage bookmarkers do people see on their Link Lists hubs etc??

[Greenguy]

My newest project - Porn Movie Links (http://www.pornmovielinks.com) - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers)

[HC-Majick]

Direct address / Bookmarks for March:
unclethumper.com - 30.6%
naughtyplace.com - 43.2%

the numbers for Jan and Feb were the same within a couple percentage points

Add to favorites:
unclethumper.com - 12%
naughtyplace.com - 22.8%

[neveremail]

My newest project - Porn Movie Links (http://www.pornmovielinks.com) - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers)
What about "Add to favorites (estimated)" near the bottom under miscelaneous? - thats the one I was referring too.

[Greenguy]

Add to favorites (estimated) 28801 / 116999 Visitors 24.6 %

[KG Gary]

Add to favorites (estimated) 30628 / 86330 Visitors - 35.4 %
For my main hub - http:/www.pynio.com/ (http://www.pynio.com/)

Although I figured that this seemed like an over-estimate, that's what AWStats has for March.
|huh

[Useless]

Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.

[Surfn]

Smutbandit yesterday 116762/42532 BM/25.9 %

[neveremail]

Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.
Yep thats a good point |thumb
However, I do still see a decent correlation of what AWstats shows and what I would expect from my individual sites. In other words a harder to surf site with shittier traffic shows less bookmarks than a well made site with lots of content and great well targeted traffic.
It seems to works well as a comparison between sites but I would not pay to much attention to the actual percentage.

[Toby]

...only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.FireFox looks for favicon.ico everytime it loads a page. That's likely skewing those figures big time.

[Surfn]

FireFox looks for favicon.ico everytime it loads a page. That's likely skewing those figures big time.
That would be .9% of my surfers, prolly webmasters :D

[kbbq]

be careful of awstats and what they tell you. My awstats we off by 1000%. yes.. no typo. ONE THOUSAND percent. You want to double check your awstats with perhaps an invisible counter. Details after my point on how i found out

With that in mind. My point is that I would be very careful on making any marketing / site changes based on stats retrieved from awstats until you have made sure that your awstats are trustworthy. Mine weren't so I switched to trusting google analytics for all my stats.





Now details.

My front page has a size of 100KB. I was tailing my access logs one day and noticed that I was getting a lot of hits requesting only 10k-30k. That's not even a third of the page that they are requesting. In short, a lot of weird bogus hits were coming, but awstats still counted them as valid page views. In awstats, there's a column that says Average Page Size. My average page size request was 60k. which doesn't make any sense. So i did an audit by putting on 3 page counters on my home page.

1) Google Analytics
2) Master Stats
3) Stat Counter

All 3 of those gave me stats within 5% of each other. Awstats was 1000% off.

So... yeah.... it sucks because i love awstats, especially since i got the stupid geoip plugin setup too. |sad|

[Carl]

Well AwStats says...

Direct address / Bookmarks 208054 47.3 % 379148 59.7 %
Add to favorites (estimated) 21866 / 153878 Visitors 14.2 %

I don't believe it either. :)

[Greenguy]

Why do you people have to bash AWStats? I'd like to believe that I'm getting 50% of my traffic from bookmarkers, but all you people do is knock me back down to reality |cry|

|couch|

[Simon]

I know what you mean about wanting to believe, GG :)
Awstats on my new project is showing...
Direct address / Bookmarks 61.2%
Add to favorites (estimated) 55.4%

For those who use awstats, there's info on configuring it linked
from this page that can help you tweak a few things...
http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html



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