Attn Adult FriendFinder Reps...

[Toby]

...you have an affiliate that is a content thief. His gallery: http://www.sweet-sin.com/e/btr2/v61.html

The content is exclusive the Danni.com. (I've already notified John D)
You can see the uncropped images with Danni.com watermark intact here: http://www.babesglamour.com/DANNI/danni146nk_king.html

This guy makes a habit of using stolen content. I blacklisted him from my TGP's ages ago. Perhaps it's time to kill his affiliate account?

[DangerDave]

I sincerely doubt a AFF Rep will turn up here.. They simply dont give a flying fuck about content theft, trademark infringement or copyright infringement... and they certainly aint gonna kill anyones account....

All the best thiefs and spammers promote AFF;(

DD

[Toby]

Previous attempts at contacting them about this guy have gone unanswered so I thought perhaps a little public exposure might light a fire under someone.

[Wazza]

Have you waited 3 weeks for a reply yet? If not, don't panic - they're not ignoring you, that's just how long it takes them to be arsed getting back to you...

[GonZo]

Have you waited 3 weeks for a reply yet? If not, don't panic - they're not ignoring you, that's just how long it takes them to be arsed getting back to you...
Nah...

Dos Tip ---

Go post on the Zoo the same body but with the subject like of
"Adult Friend Finder Affiliate is a Content Thief"

[Toby]

Go post on the Zoo the same body but with the subject like of "Adult Friend Finder Affiliate is a Content Thief"OK, that should turn up the temp a little. :D

[GonZo]

OK, that should turn up the temp a little. :D
Boardtracker has been proven to manipulate more than one persons ego.

[Sagi_AFF]

...you have an affiliate that is a content thief. His gallery: http://www.sweet-sin.com/e/btr2/v61.html

The content is exclusive the Danni.com. (I've already notified John D)
You can see the uncropped images with Danni.com watermark intact here: http://www.babesglamour.com/DANNI/danni146nk_king.html

This guy makes a habit of using stolen content. I blacklisted him from my TGP's ages ago. Perhaps it's time to kill his affiliate account?

I sent him an e-mail giving him 2 days to pull the content or show me a license.

[Toby]

I sent him an e-mail giving him 2 days to pull the content or show me a license.|thumb

I hope you don't plan to let him off by just pulling the content from one gallery.
Google listing of the 1100+ galleries on that domain promoting AFF (http://www.google.com/search?q=site:sweet-sin.com+%22Adult+Friendfinder%22&num=30&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0)

I haven't viewed them all, but based on seeing his galleries over the last year or more on various TGPs I check regularly, most if not all contain stolen content.

[Sagi_AFF]

|thumb

I hope you don't plan to let him off by just pulling the content from one gallery.
Google listing of the 1100+ galleries on that domain promoting AFF (http://www.google.com/search?q=site:sweet-sin.com+%22Adult+Friendfinder%22&num=30&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0)

I haven't viewed them all, but based on seeing his galleries over the last year or more on various TGPs I check regularly, most if not all contain stolen content.

No in the e-mail I told him to pull all his unlicensed content or show me a license for the content in that gallery. If he pulls the content from that one gallery but still has galleries with content he can't produce a license for I will ban him without pay.

[Toby]

And let's not forget another 1100+ on this domain (http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=site%3Aporn-service.us+%22Adult+Friendfinder%22&btnG=Search)

[Torn Rose]

Very lame reaponse, a theif can make alot of $ off other peoples copyrights in 2 days time.

[Sagi_AFF]

Very lame reaponse, a theif can make alot of $ off other peoples copyrights in 2 days time.

We do not send checks daily. In fact in two days it will be the end of a pay period so he stands to lose more than 2 days worth of earnings if he doesn't comply.

[Toby]

Very lame reaponse, a theif can make alot of $ off other peoples copyrights in 2 days time.True, but two days is a drop in the bucket compared to what this guy has been doing on that one domain alone over the last 18 to 20 months, and AFF isn't the only sponsor he's promoting.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=2y&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=r&url=sweet-sin.com#top

[DangerDave]

Sagi,

I will gladly take back some of what I said in my previous post.. and I am glad to see that AFF are taking "some" action....

.. but as Toby pointed out... does this thief really need a warning? or a second chance?

Why wont AFF kill his account outright?

DD

[Wazza]

So GG&J is now the official AFF support board as well as the official episspot support board?

Why did AFF send me an email explicitly telling me that I could use g2045 for all sites? When I did, why did my traffic fall back to basically zero for AFF? Why did it take 5-6 weeks for us to swap 2 emails each over this issue? Why did the "support" person tell me that I should have been using g2045-pct when the email only said g2045 (and the codes in the stats screen also only say g2045)?

[Sagi_AFF]

Sagi,

I will gladly take back some of what I said in my previous post.. and I am glad to see that AFF are taking "some" action....

.. but as Toby pointed out... does this thief really need a warning? or a second chance?

Why wont AFF kill his account outright?

DD

I'm giving him 24 hours from Monday morning (my time) to show me a license. As a policy I don't ban accounts on an accusations without talking to the affiliate first. We have had people try to get legitamite affiliates banned before by making false accusations. There is a slim chance that he might have a license for this.

If Toby can give me indisputable evidence that the content is not licensed to the affiliate I will ban now.

[Sagi_AFF]

So GG&J is now the official AFF support board as well as the official episspot support board?

Why did AFF send me an email explicitly telling me that I could use g2045 for all sites? When I did, why did my traffic fall back to basically zero for AFF? Why did it take 5-6 weeks for us to swap 2 emails each over this issue? Why did the "support" person tell me that I should have been using g2045-pct when the email only said g2045 (and the codes in the stats screen also only say g2045)?

Sorry for the bad support you recieved.

You can use your global id to promote any of our dating sites and cams.com. If you do not specify the type of account you want it to go to (-pct in your case) it will go to the default for that site. Someone on our end should have advised you of this since it sounds like the default was not where you wanted it to go to.

Can you send me an e-mail with all the pertinent information regarding your situation? Let me know what site this was for and what day it started and I will look into moving the stats to the right account for you.

[Toby]

If Toby can give me indisputable evidence that the content is not licensed to the affiliate I will ban now.Talk to John D. at Danni.com he'll confirm that all Danni.com content is exclusive. The first post in this thread proves that the content in that gallery is cropped danni.com content.

John D
Affiliate Marketing Manager
Email: johnd@danni.com
Phone: 310-258-0930 ext# 247
ICQ: 149824370
Yahoo: jj_dannicash
MSN: jj_dannicash@hotmail.com
AOL: dannicash1

[Wazza]

Thanks Sagi - email sent

[GonZo]

Ill send you an invoice Toby.

[Toby]

Ill send you an invoice Toby.|bow|

[Sagi_AFF]

Thanks Sagi - email sent

replied

[Wazza]

Thanks Sagi - and best of luck in achieving your goal for this year :D

[Toby]

I see that he's pulled the content from that ONE gallery only. I assume he has not produced licenses for all the rest?


No in the e-mail I told him to pull all his unlicensed content or show me a license for the content in that gallery. If he pulls the content from that one gallery but still has galleries with content he can't produce a license for I will ban him without pay.

[Toby]

Hey AFF,

It's WAAYYYYYY past Tuesday morning and it sure looks like this guy is still an active affiliate. Was all the talk on Sunday just lip service?

[DangerDave]

Was all the talk on Sunday just lip service?
I hope it wasn't!,... because AFF could really set themselves apart from the rest if they ACTUALLY enforced their own terms of service and worked to protect their legitimate affiliates.


DD

[DangerDave]

Ah ok it was just lip service...

..because AFF is in bed with the fucking password hackers!

http://www.ultrapasswords.com/

Along with a pile of other so-called legit sponsors

BrainCash
CashTitans
VideosZ
NastyDollars
DeeCash
PerfectGonzo
etc

DD

[Toby]

Perhaps it's time for TGP and LL webmasters to start adding to our banned sponsor lists.

[Halfdeck]

I'm giving him 24 hours from Monday morning (my time) to show me a license. As a policy I don't ban accounts on an accusations without talking to the affiliate first. We have had people try to get legitamite affiliates banned before by making false accusations. There is a slim chance that he might have a license for this.

Sagi, this one is a no brainer.

1. The content on that gallery from sweet-sin.com is indisputably from danni.com. As Toby suggested, if you're not convinced, contact JJSLIM from danni.com.

2. whois for sweet-sin.com:

Registrant Name: Pupkin Vasil
Registrant Address1: 123 Futineze st
Registrant City: Malin
Registrant State/Province: ZH
Registrant Postal Code: 11600
Registrant Country: Ukraine
Registrant Country Code: UA

3. AFF account ID: p69074

If your affiliate p69074 owns sweet-sin.com the case is closed.

By the way, it's Wednesday morning.

[Linkster]

Ah ok it was just lip service...

..because AFF is in bed with the fucking password hackers!

http://www.ultrapasswords.com/

Along with a pile of other so-called legit sponsors

BrainCash
CashTitans
VideosZ
NastyDollars
DeeCash
PerfectGonzo
etc

DD

DDave - thats just spoof password sites - although in this case its the worst phishers out there to be in bed with - theyve had suits brought from Amazon and Microsoft in the last 1 1/2 years and dont know whats going on lately: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=97664&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=618657 read about the Activsoft, Inc. and Cybertania, Inc. and their owner Leonid ("Leo") Radvinsky

He owns most of the fake password sites out there that these sponsors cater to - no wonder the news media labels our industry the way it does - because half the major sponsors out there still cut deals with this guy.

[DangerDave]

Linkster,

Its a SPOOF site up until it's YOUR PAYSITE that is listed on there, and your server comes to a grinding halt, and all your feeds get turned off, and you lose time, money, and members.....

Then it is 100% theft/damage and bullshit, supported by so-called legitimate sponsors...

I would just like to see one of these sponsors stand up, be pro-active and support the webmasters that have supported them for so long...

Everyone is looking for legit trustworthy sponsors... it just seems that very few exist :(

DD

[Toby]

3. AFF account ID: p69074He also uses AFF account ID: g250656

[Linkster]

DDave - didnt know he was also listing legit paysites passwords - I know he also has tons of other domains that do the same thing ranging from luckyspasswords to some other distant past names I recognize on neighboring IPs

[RawAlex]

Sagi, while we are here, can we handle the fusker sites too?

Alex

[Toby]

He is removing them or going to use them to promote the sponsor that he got them from.I guess that clears up all doubt where AFF stands on content thieves. |banghead|

My TGPs will no longer be accepting galleries promoting AFF. |angry|

[swedguy]

While we got AFF on the line.

How about these people: http://www.imagecash.net/ ?

A list with stolen Raven Riley content: http://imagecash.net/content.php?section=createsearch&q=raven+riley
The actual content including AFF ad: http://imagecash.net/gallery.php?gid=170100&public=yes

A list with Playboy content: http://imagecash.net/content.php?section=createsearch&q=playboy
The actual content including AFF ad: http://imagecash.net/gallery.php?gid=164578&public=yes

[GonZo]

Interesting..same answers both here and on GFY.

[Surfn]

Interesting..same answers both here and on GFY.
Just words, their actions or inactions speak volumes |pissed|

[Toby]

It would appear that someone higher up the food chain at AFF has stepped up to the plate and overruled the prior decision and have banned this guy. No official statement here or on GFY, but both of his affiliate links are now redirectng to a banned affiliate message. |thumb
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g250656
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/p69074

or perhaps John D. from DanniCash finally got the email I sent before I posted here on Sunday and contacted AFF?

[RawAlex]

Based on the answer I got yesterday from Lars, without a valid legal claim sent to their legal department, they are not going to just remove affiliates. I am truly disappointed by this type of answer, and I don't think I will be listing any more sites promoting them on my link sites and such.

Not really much to say past that.

Alex

[Halfdeck]

both of his affiliate links are now redirectng to a banned affiliate message.

One down |thumb

[Toby]

One down |thumbDon't cheer too loudly yet, it may only be temporary.

For now his account is banned until he makes changes and shows them to me.I'll be keeping an eye on this for awhile to see if he gets reactivated.

Based on the answer I got yesterday from Lars, without a valid legal claim sent to their legal department, they are not going to just remove affiliates. I am truly disappointed by this type of answer, and I don't think I will be listing any more sites promoting them on my link sites and such.Yes, it should not take four days of public discourse. When presented with irrefutable proof of content theft the appropriate action is quite clear.

[RawAlex]

The feeling I get Toby is that it isn't acceptable for you or I to report the theft, because it isn't out content. Even though we can clearly see a hotlink or trimmed content or whatever, it is not ours so we have no technical legal claim.

It is apparently an acceptable business practice to ignore obvious or likely shady activity until the victim comes to and calls the police. In the mean time we can all just walk around the virtual body and act like it isn't there.

Alex

[Toby]

In the mean time we can all just walk around the virtual body and act like it isn't there.Excellent visual, you do have a way with words. |thumb

[Surfn]

Effective immediately all submits with links to AFF will be deleted.

[swedguy]

.... and they're gone. Good to see |thumb

[RawAlex]

In the end what I don't get is this: AFF / CAMS could just say "no hotlinked images ever" and that would be the end of it. No need to wait for the offended party to complain, anyone could report and things would be taken care of.

It just seems to me that this is all arranged the wrong way around.

I will give AFF credit for one thing: Once they shut down the affiliate, they don't accept the traffic any more at all. That is significantly better than the "cancel but take the traffic anyway" bullshit that other companies pull.

Alex

[docholly]

Karmetically speaking, I'm amused. Please excuse me while i do a bit of a 'happy dance' |roses|

[DangerDave]

NEXT!

http://fusker.wegotcandy.com/index.php

"JohnWebcams.com" dropped his signature on every thread he could yesterday... and guess what - webcams.com supports those lovely thieves at Fusker!

Lets see how quick his sig appears in this thread?

DD

[plateman]

I never done any good with AFF and fuck it there gone on my LL and anyone promoting them will be deleted...

[debbie]

I sincerely doubt a AFF Rep will turn up here.. They simply dont give a flying fuck about content theft, trademark infringement or copyright infringement... and they certainly aint gonna kill anyones account....

All the best thiefs and spammers promote AFF;(

DD

I dont fuck people over daggie dave. I do not steal content either dodgy dave. I promote AFF and I am not a cheat! Are you calling me a cheat donkey dave...ARE YOU.....

love debbie
just because i'm a girl, don't be afraid to answer back....

[DangerDave]

I dont fuck people over daggie dave. I do not steal content either dodgy dave. I promote AFF and I am not a cheat! Are you calling me a cheat donkey dave...ARE YOU.....

love debbie
just because i'm a girl, don't be afraid to answer back....

... and your point is?

Did I mention you? Do I know you? Did I rattle your cage?

DD

[swedguy]

Ummm.... ummmm. No matter how many times I read it, I don't read it as he is saying that everybody who promotes AFF cheats.

I read it as a lot of people who cheat uses AFF. Not the other way around... that everybody who uses AFF are cheaters.

[debbie]

O.K. lets put it this way,

DangerDave quote 1: I sincerely doubt a AFF Rep will turn up here.
>>and he has! (Sagi AFF)

DangerDave quote 2: They simply dont give a flying fuck about content theft, trademark infringement or copyright infringement.
>>The guy in questions account has been suspended!

DangerDave quote 3: they certainly aint gonna kill anyones account.
>> and they have!

I am simply replying to DD's brash remarks which I disagree to.

Debbie

[Toby]

DangerDave quote 1: I sincerely doubt a AFF Rep will turn up here.
>>and he has! (Sagi AFF)But it took alot of heat here and on GFY to make that happen.

DangerDave quote 2: They simply dont give a flying fuck about content theft, trademark infringement or copyright infringement.
>>The guy in questions account has been suspended!
I'm sure the public exposure weighed heavily in that decision, and it still took three days.

DangerDave quote 3: they certainly aint gonna kill anyones account.
>> and they have!The jury is still out, the account is only suspended not permanently banned.

I am simply replying to DD's brash remarks which I disagree to.That's why they hold horse races, differences of opinion.

[Surfn]

Gee Dave you have this knack for pulling out the best in people :D

[DangerDave]

Jeez is that all it was...! As usual 'read the damn thread'!!!

Way back here - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showpost.php?p=248205&postcount=15 - I said - "I will gladly take back some of what I said in my previous post.. and I am glad to see that AFF are taking "some" action."

Which I did/am more than happy to do 'IF' AFF kills this thieves account....

As Swedguy said - NOWHERE did I say "everyone that promotes AFF is a cheat/thief" - Like just about everyone on this board... I promote them... but am now seriously looking at discontinuing that relationship.

Surn - Too true mate, too true :(

DD

[debbie]

But it took alot of heat here and on GFY to make that happen.


I'm sure the public exposure weighed heavily in that decision, and it still took three days.

The jury is still out, the account is only suspended not permanently banned.

That's why they hold horse races, differences of opinion.


2 days 3 days who cares the right things been done and the guys banned

Who said the jury was still out? Who said it was suspended? To me the message is quite clear and i quote:
"You received this message because you were most likely directed to Adult FriendFinder by one of our affiliates who was using marketing or advertising methods that are in violation of our Terms of Use and Affiliate Agreement.
The person who directed you to our site has been banned from doing business with us"

seems pretty not suspended to me but possible banned!

Debbie

[Toby]

...Who said the jury was still out? Who said it was suspended?see below

For now his account is banned until he makes changes and shows them to me.I also included this in reply #43 in this thread.

[swedguy]

Wonder what debbie's real name is.

[MadMax]

Wonder what debbie's real name is.


Probably Sagi :D

[gideon]

I find it hilarious when people register a new username to get on a thread and act like an ass. The funny thing is it is becoming more and more common for people to impersonate the female species in an attempt to get more of an advanteage. I wonder when all us guys will stop responding differently to supossed "females".

[gideon]

Here is some fucked up shit that I am trying to figure out how to handle it. Adult Friend Finder has been, in my book, a scummy spam supporter for a long time. Now not too long ago I found out that they have a VERY illegal picture that belongs ONLY to me. It isn't content it is a picture of my ex's bestfriend laura lea jones. Here is the screenshot

http://www.thehotgirlblog.com/aff-screenshot.jpg

Now I have been pondering what to do. I know that if I contact the girl and we both file suit we can get "damages" for her and I could get money from all sales made off of my illegally stolen picture. I have been thinking of maybe pursuing this. But I have also found that I could pursue it through the goverment but I figure it is not worth it to use the government because 99% of the bullshit cheating, spamming, and other illegal internet activities seem to originate from certain foreign countries. You know the guys who go and make there own little message boards in their own little languages so they can sit around and talk about their little schemes.


Any advice on this would be great.

[Toby]

Any advice on this would be great.So your ex's friend never did live shows on AFF? and never did a photo shoot with a photographer that could have sold the image to AFF? If you can answer no to both questions then my advice is for the two of you to go talk to a lawyer.

[gideon]

Toby - Those pictures were done in my apartment with my camera about 4 years ago (right before a kick ass threesome). The girl is now married and living in a small town in Louisiana. There is no way that anyone could have a model release or anything pertaining to that picture or that girl. She was NEVER under the impression those pictures would be used by anyone other than me and definitely not to promote Adult Friend Finder.

I honestly wish people would put the burden of proof on the right people. There seems to be alot of defending of companies that deserve more suspicion and less trust.

[Toby]

You definitely need to speak to a good lawyer.

[DangerDave]

Gideon.. what Toby said... Speak to a lawyer... and have no mercy!


Where is Sagi now?

Beuller?
Beuller?
.....................

DD

[Useless]

Some fucktard surfer probably grabbed that pic from somewhere, created a profile on AFF and used that pic, claiming it was their girlfriend or wife. That's the beauty of AFF - if you create a profile and upload your 'private' pics - they don't see a problem with using those pics for promotional materials. They respect their members as much as they respect their affiliates. Go ahead - create a profile, then request to have your profile deleted. They'll never delete it. This way, they can claim that everyone who has signed up during their entire history is an active member. Cocksuckers. Two years after the wife and I stopped using AFF and requested the deletion of our profile (because it's full of pic collectors and scum) we had friends telling us that our profile was still up.

[Jel]

Just to chime in, will AFF delete this hotlinkers account?

http://www.opendirviewer.com/?url=http://www.rogers-sexsaurus.com/tgps/dogging-swingers-pics/dogging-swingers-pics-11.html&pagecount=25

[Surfn]

Just to chime in, will AFF delete this hotlinkers account?

http://www.opendirviewer.com/?url=http://www.rogers-sexsaurus.com/tgps/dogging-swingers-pics/dogging-swingers-pics-11.html&pagecount=25
NO THEY WON'T based on their history in cases like these.

[DangerDave]

Another thief supporter...

AdultAdWorld - http://www.adultadworld.com/

They do ads on - http://www.opendirviewer.com/

DD

[Halfdeck]

adultdatingfreesitetotally.com

69,000+ subdomains, cloaked, every page redirects uniformly to --->

http://omgtraffic.com/porn --->

surprise, surprise....

http://adultfriendfinder.com/search/p156794.subcountry_de_02&override=1

These guys just love AFF

and it's looking more and more like AFF loves 'em right back.

[swedguy]

...and another one:

http://www.imgshare.net/
AFF account: g666437-ppc
SexSearch account: ref=19621&kwd=adultdating44
AdBrite seems to be quite popular among these kind of sites too.

RubberEva .com content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=u8juscx2_BCB127.jpg
Bangbros content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=mz6blf2g_ct1488047.jpg
Lightspeed content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=joxigkp8_tawnee-stone-09.jpg
NaughtyAmerica .com content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=axqfm9xo_bscap000.jpg

[swedguy]

... and here comes the reply from the main sponsor on that site, Perfect Gonzo:

Ticket
Status: Closed

No reply. Just closed the ticket. So for all you guys who's into stealing content and need a sponsor, you know what to do |thumb


...and another one:

http://www.imgshare.net/
AFF account: g666437-ppc
SexSearch account: ref=19621&kwd=adultdating44
AdBrite seems to be quite popular among these kind of sites too.

RubberEva .com content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=u8juscx2_BCB127.jpg
Bangbros content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=mz6blf2g_ct1488047.jpg
Lightspeed content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=joxigkp8_tawnee-stone-09.jpg
NaughtyAmerica .com content: http://www.imgshare.net/?a=showimage&i=axqfm9xo_bscap000.jpg

[LowryBigwood]

Some fucktard surfer probably grabbed that pic from somewhere, created a profile on AFF and used that pic, claiming it was their girlfriend or wife. That's the beauty of AFF - if you create a profile and upload your 'private' pics - they don't see a problem with using those pics for promotional materials. They respect their members as much as they respect their affiliates.

Hey UW. I know what you mean. I have an account with AFF(what's a single webmaster that works 12-18 hour days to do LOL), and am constantly getting emails from people claiming to be a hot girl, then they send you to their page to get an adult check pass. I'd be willing to bet most of those pics being used in those "fake" profiles are being stolen. But, how would you prove that? And who would be responsible, AFF or the Adult Pass sponsor? I would think that would create some nice chargebacks, since they are tricking people into thinking they're gonna be talking to the girl they saw the pic of on AFF.

On another note, new rule added to TripleXworld.com. No more submissions will be accepted that promote AFF. |thumb

[Toby]

The cheater is back in business with a new AFF affiliate account.

Gallery from my original post to start this thread
http://www.sweet-sin.com/e/btr2/v61.html

New referral link
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g243075

How could this guy get a new account without AFF knowing it's the same guy? I smell a rat.

[Adult-AdWorld]

Hello,

I wanted to take a minute to introduce myself. I'm from Adult AdWorld. We're an adult ad network that pays publishers on a CPM basis (per impression) rather than per signup. Simon from BDSMWorld alerted me that our company name was associated with a discussion here regarding opendirviewer. I want to thank Simon for taking time to explain some of the issues. He was extremely helpful. I also want to open some dialog about opendirviewer with this board, and would like to start with some questions.

Is it universally felt that all of opendirviewer's content misappropriated?

Is it opendirviewer doing the misappropriating or is it that they allow others to do so and do not police them?

How would you suggest a company like mine handle situations like this? (How should we investigate, and what proof is reasonable to make us sever ties)?

As Simon pointed out to me, there are standards of legality and then there are ethics. Those two don't always match so where do we draw the line?

That's enough for now. I hope you all take this in the spirit it is meant - to open a sincere dialog with this board to help my company make decisions that support and enhance the adult community. That's why we started a CPM instead of a CPA based network. We felt adult webmasters should have the same opportunities as mainstream webmasters.

I look forward to hearing from you.

[Toby]

Is it universally felt that all of opendirviewer's content misappropriated?

Is it opendirviewer doing the misappropriating or is it that they allow others to do so and do not police them?
As I see it opendirviewer is no different than fusker. They are republishing images from web pages they do not own, without consent, and are stealing bandwidth while doing so by hotlinking those images. The only case where it would not be "misappropriation" is when the owner of the web page submits the URL to opendirviewer. I'd guess that happens very rarely.

How would you suggest a company like mine handle situations like this? (How should we investigate, and what proof is reasonable to make us sever ties)?
Investigation is pretty easy. Is content hotlinked from another web site? If yes, can the site owner provide written consent for each and every link? I think we both know the answer to that without asking.

[Simon]

Simon from BDSMWorld alerted me that our company name was associated with a discussion here regarding opendirviewer.

Hiya |waves|

I'm glad you decided to come talk with the good folks on this board.

One thing I might suggest (unless the moderators have a way to do it here easily) would be to start your own thread about this. Being on page 4 of someone else's thread may get you less responses, or responses that aren't directly about your services.

I should mention here that Adult-AdWorld initiated contact with us regarding using their service, and their CEO has been very concerned to learn more about the problems that Fusker/opedirviewer cause for us once I brought up a few points with him.

I hope others will take a few minutes to contribute to this thread (or another one if there is a standalone thread started). It could be a good chance to get one of the thieving bastards' revenue streams chopped off -- the only real way to hurt them back.


Simon

[Useless]

Same as Fusker. :(
http://www.opendirviewer.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whoringwives.com%2Fmichelles-bedroom%2Fnaked-housewife%2Fblue-jeans-housewife.php&submit=Submit&tn=true&pagecount=

And just as weak. :D

[Simon]

UW, I wanted to post an example of one of our hosted galleries on opendirviewer. We have our htaccess set up to serve a 'special' image to those kinds of sites too. But maybe they've finally gotten the message that we don't like them. When I try any of our gallery URLs there, all I get now is:

"The requested url cannot be viewed and is now deleted from our database."

And Fusker now says "NO RESULTS for (URL)"

I'm glad they're not hotlinking our images now, but as long as they're doing it to other people without their permission, they're still thieves as far as I'm concerned.

Simon

[Useless]

"The requested url cannot be viewed and is now deleted from our database."I clicked on a few of the galleries they have listed on their page and got that same response. I assume they have a blacklist of sorts for certain domains. A hotlinker that doesn't want any trouble? Who knows.

Maybe I'll fill up their database with my gallery URL just to get my name seen on my hotlinker gif. ;)

[wheat]

http://www.thehotgirlblog.com/aff-screenshot.jpg


The pictures that are being used on boneprone.com (where I assume that screenshot is from) aren't pictures that AFF provides to members to promote with. The pictures that he's using are hosted at http://www.modelsgroup.com/aff/.

[RawAlex]

wheat, the image problem is something that has been brought to AFF and other dating sites attention, but they are loath to deal with it. They seem to fail to understand how this could be viewed as misleading or deceptive advertising, as the claims for these girls being on their system is 100% and total false.

Regardless of being on the internet or in the real world, false or deceptive advertising can lead to action from various levels of government, including the FTC in the US.

That companies allow third parties to generate such misleading advertising and then pay them well for doing it... well... they are asking for trouble, IMHO.

Alex

[karomesis]

They seem to fail to understand how this could be viewed as misleading or deceptive advertising, as the claims for these girls being on their system is 100% and total false.


Agreed. Which is why I won't promote them. According to AFF there are hundreds of playmate lookalikes in my small ass hick town. Although I have yet to see a single one.|huh

This is what AFF will be doing when the FTC is informed of its dubious actions|escape|


False advertising at its finest.

[RawAlex]

I won't personally piss on the parade, and I suspect they have done the same math that many companies do:

Make 50 million running the site, admit no wrongdoing but agree to pay resitution and a fine to total 5 million, and move on with your 45 millions and enjoy life, potentially starting another variation on the theme.

Alex

[GonZo]

The pictures that are being used on boneprone.com (where I assume that screenshot is from) aren't pictures that AFF provides to members to promote with. The pictures that he's using are hosted at http://www.modelsgroup.com/aff/.

Sounds like he needs to change his motto from bow to the power to... beware the thief. Hes one of my favorite Zoo animals of all time. He made one of those "big dick'n" videos to show off his new ride. Further investigation of the video reveals that in his zeal to prove to the world the strength of his "pimp hand" that he forgot to take off the temp rental car tags.

Answer your cell phone BoneProne.... Poser Mobile is calling!

[trix]

The AFF thread is so funny. I was having my accountant work on my taxes (he knows what I do for a living, obviously) and he asked me if I could help him meet a couple of girls he saw on AFF. He is nice looking, older, makes very very good money. He joined and wrote several ladies, no good response. I hated to tell him that the girls in the pics were not available locally.

[ChiTown]

I sent him an e-mail giving him 2 days to pull the content or show me a license.

If ya are with AFF I'll give ya a little hint, you use
Hot Springs National Park, Arkansas and that's FEDERAL land.
There's talk about probs over Porn Sites advertising Federal
Property in their ads in the local papers for a few months..
You should use Hot Springs, Arkansas and knock off the
National Park bit..