Am I right to be pissed?

[Toby]

I rec'd an email this morning from a sponsor (independent CCBill solo girl site) with links to zips of new promo content, images, thumbs & gallery template, obviously for TGP submission. After downloading a few I opened them to check out the photo sets to find that the large images are under 600 pixels on the long side. So, I send the sponsor an email...

Thanks for the new content, but just an FYI. Many TGP's have a minimum of 600 pixels for the long side for full size images. I can certainly appreciate protecting your exclusive content, but as they are the sets are essentially useless to me.
no problem toby

i cant please every one....tried that once didnt work :)

What would be your next move?

[Tommy]

my next move would be to delete the emails and move on

[selena]

It depends.

If it wasn't a sponsor I really cared to promote, I'd do as Tommy said.

If it was something that was converting really well for me, I'd just open the images in photoshop and make them bigger.

[plateman]

seems more and more single model sites are getting more agressive in pushing there programs... probably all those cam girls who have ruined yahoo chat and others with all there BS is stepping into there own site and affiliate program... blood and money suckers who cant respect the way things should be handled..

[docholly]

seems more and more single model sites are getting more agressive in pushing there programs... probably all those cam girls who have ruined yahoo chat and others with all there BS is stepping into there own site and affiliate program... blood and money suckers who cant respect the way things should be handled..


no self respecting cam girl would be caught dead in yahoo chat!!

Toby: Selena is quite right..if it is someone who is converting well for you, i'd check my sales for the last 6-12 months with them and send a reply that says.. in the last xxx months i've sent you xxx $ in sales (or number) but I cannot continue to send you traffic if you can't send me content to use. etc etc..

MOST solo site girls are pretty willing to accommodate their affiliates that have sent sales in the past.

of course there are a few who are really run by WM posing as single site girls that thing THEY are all that.

Good luck.. |roses|

[Toby]

The sponsor had converted OK for me at times, but not great lately. Prior promo content, although very limited, were standard hi-res images. This is a well established site and sponsor program, not some new babe without a clue.

I'm not going to bother with a reply, nothing to gain at this point. I've pulled all of the links from my sites, lots of other sponsors out there to promote. I've just never had a sponsor that obviously didn't care if I sent traffic or not.

[AdorableAudrey]

At least she sent a smilie. LOL... Actually, that is probably pretty rude, but you did say it was a small site and if the webgirl answered you herself, she may have just finished answering 10 rude fanmails, and you didn't come right out and ask directly if she could supply you with larger images. She may have taken it more as a criticism than a request.

Just another way of looking at it...people do say I am WAY to forgiving, so I wouldn't be surprised or blame you if you moved on... |huh

[Useless]

I got the email from that redheaded pantyhose model too. I did the same thing. Downloaded a few, unzipped, and deleted. Then I deleted the email. I brushed it off as just another amateur with a great body and zero knowledge of adult marketing. But reading her reply to you pisses me off. "i cant please every one....tried that once didnt work" What the fuck is that? So, I guess she's not going to bother to please anyone now, eh. Fuck her.

[Toby]

Docholly, my experience with solo girl sites has been as you mentioned. Most have gone out of their way to get me anything I needed. Some have even given me a pass to their sites so I can select my own promo content from their member area galleries.

Audrey, as solo girl sites go, this one is quite large and has been around a long time. I was dealing with her husband, who manages the site and sent out the initial email this morning. I suppose he could just be having a bad day, which is why I haven't named the site.

UW, |thumb

[AdorableAudrey]

LOL...I told you I was too forgiving! Actually I was typing up my response still when you posted more information about the situation. I totally agree that the response sucked, I just also had a twinge of sympathy as a solo girl because I know it really is impossible to please everyone. Just feels like everyone wants a piece of you some days...still no excuse to be rude to the people who are supporting and promoting you.

[cosmiccat]

my next move would be to delete the emails and move on
That's what I would do. Too many sponsors out there willing to please.

[Greenguy]

seems more and more single model sites are getting more agressive in pushing there programs... probably all those cam girls who have ruined yahoo chat and others with all there BS is stepping into there own site and affiliate program... blood and money suckers who cant respect the way things should be handled..
What color is the sky in your world?

This thread is an example of someone aggressively pushing their program?

Solo amateur sites have been around forever - they are not the "blood & money suckers" that you refer to - a vast majority of the new "solo girl" sites that have come out in the last few years are run by big programs & are NOT amateur sites.

*****

Back to the thread at hand, their reply sound like the one we got from AVN about Vegas :D

[Halfdeck]

If I was the sponsor, I would have emailed back a url where you could download 600+ wide versions of the same set...or at least explain why I prefer not to distribute higher rez pics to my affiliates. "tried that once didn't work" -- frankly, that one of the most unprofessional responses from a sponsor I ever heard.

[plateman]

What color is the sky in your world?

This thread is an example of someone aggressively pushing their program?

Solo amateur sites have been around forever - they are not the "blood & money suckers" that you refer to - a vast majority of the new "solo girl" sites that have come out in the last few years are run by big programs & are NOT amateur sites.

*****

Back to the thread at hand, their reply sound like the one we got from AVN about Vegas :D
oh my bad I thought he got spamed, I was not refering to the cam girls that are members of the board

[ecchi]

Most of the TGP sites that bother with the "minimum 600 pixels" rule also have a "no sponsor's content" rule, so I don't see how it matters.

[Ramster]

Simple, tell them to fuck off. Well not actually tell them but simply promote someone else. What kind of response is that? Screw them!

And I am serious.

[Toby]

Most of the TGP sites that bother with the "minimum 600 pixels" rule also have a "no sponsor's content" rule, so I don't see how it matters.
ecchi, obviously you don't promote any independent single girl sites. You can't use purchased content to promote them. Those kinds of sites are all about that one girl/babe/milf. Using purchased content would be like using pics of bicycles to sell pianos.

[ecchi]

ecchi, obviously you don't promote any independent single girl sites. You can't use purchased content to promote them. The site is all about that one girl/babe/milf. Using purchased content would be like using pics of bicycles to sell pianos.

Yup you are correct I don't, for the same reason you say. However I still cannot see how it is a cost effective use of your time to push a site on TGP's that allow sponsor content but ban pics under 600 px.

[Toby]

Yup you are correct I don't, for the same reason you say. However I still cannot see how it is a cost effective use of your time to push a site on TGP's that allow sponsor content but ban pics under 600 px.I make a fair living doing just exactly that.

[Tommy]

as solo girl sites go, this one is quite large and has been around a long time. I was dealing with her husband, who manages the site and sent out the initial email this morning. I suppose he could just be having a bad day, which is why I haven't named the site.


ahhh.....I know who this is, any dealings I have had with the husband often seem cold and unfriendly but I think its just his personality

a long time ago Greenie was like that to :-)

[ecchi]

I make a fair living doing just exactly that.
I'm impressed. Either you are a brilliant salesman or she is an amazingly attractive woman (or both).

Remind me to look at your galleries and rip off your ideas. :)

[Toby]

I'm impressed. Either you are a brilliant salesman or she is an amazingly attractive woman (or both).

Remind me to look at your galleries and rip off your ideas. :)I promote MANY solo girl sites, not just one. My combined conversion ratio for last year was 1:584, not bad on TGP traffic. :D

www.bevyofbabes.com
www.well-heeled-women.com
www.babes-in-boots.com

[Greenguy]

...a long time ago Greenie was like that to :-)
I'm still cold & unfriendly :D

I bet the reason that they don't send out bigger pics is that too many webmasters complained when they were putting up decent sized pics, because they had to compress/resize them...and to those webmasters, I say "Go find another 2nd job!" Resizing pics is part of making sites & this is what happens when you listen to lazy webmasters.

[tickler]

I make a fair living doing just exactly that.
Yeah, there are a lot of solo girl sites around, but, since they don't get a lot of exposure you just have to look for them a little harder.

I run into the same TGP rules also with "reality" sites with exclusive content.

[Torn Rose]

I bet the reason that they don't send out bigger pics is that too many webmasters complained when they were putting up decent sized pics, because they had to compress/resize them...

Or it could be they are just assholes who think they are better then everyone else?|huh

[Greenguy]

I honestly don't know who we're talking aobut, so my post was just a guess.

[Useless]

http://www.kryztalred.com/ That's who. |boobies|

[emmanuelle]

I downloaded 2 zips (actually 3 because of the thumbs); took one look at the pic size and deleted them. My bigger complaint was Adam's inability to zip a folder without there being 6 subsequent others in the chain before finally getting to the pics.

[Surfn]

I'm still cold & unfriendly :D
Amen to that you heartless banning bastard |headbang|

[Useless]

My bigger complaint was Adam's inability to zip a folder without there being 6 subsequent others in the chain before finally getting to the pics.:D Oh, it was more than 6...
/015/adultcontent/content/KryztalRed/YEAR-2006/2006 Affiliates/galleries/15/bigpix/

That's not me being sarcastic. That's the actual directory structure of the 15th zip file.

[docholly]

http://www.kryztalred.com/ That's who. |boobies|

oh am i glad i didn't have time to down load.. |yawn|

[FatalAttraction]

There are so many other programs out there that would love to make you happy to get your traffic. Surprising response. :(

[GonZo]

I got the email from that redheaded pantyhose model too. I did the same thing. Downloaded a few, unzipped, and deleted. Then I deleted the email. I brushed it off as just another amateur with a great body and zero knowledge of adult marketing. But reading her reply to you pisses me off. "i cant please every one....tried that once didnt work" What the fuck is that? So, I guess she's not going to bother to please anyone now, eh. Fuck her.
Shame. She is truely stunning in person.

[MadMax]

:D Oh, it was more than 6...
/015/adultcontent/content/KryztalRed/YEAR-2006/2006 Affiliates/galleries/15/bigpix/

That's not me being sarcastic. That's the actual directory structure of the 15th zip file.

Holy shit |crazy|

[Mr. Blue]

...and to those webmasters, I say "Go find another 2nd job!" Resizing pics is part of making sites & this is what happens when you listen to lazy webmasters.

I wish more sponsors would stop courting webmasters that don't know wtf they're doing. They're bending over backwards to work with webmasters that basically want everything done for them.

It's getting to the point where you wonder why some sponsors even need affiliates. Sponsors supply: hosting, gallery building software, canned graphics (headers, footers, etc), content (some supply thumbnails, photos resized, etc), fhg...what's left for the affiliate to do? The only thing I see left is for the affiliate to spam the shit out of tgps, ll, etc, with all this pre-made crap.

[Trixie]

I'm no great prize as far as sponsors go, but I can't believe someone would RESIZE a photo by making it BIGGER. That doesn't seem like an option to me. That is the kind of stuff I see affiliates do and think, "thanks for nothing". Thanks for making our content look totally crappy.

I wonder if they provided small pics is because they thought that would decrease the chances of people feeling the need to diminish the quality in order to scrimp on bandwidth. Did the content look good other than that? How much smaller than 600 pixels are we talking about?

It does seem lame that they wouldn't just give you a pass to their site to get what you need. My motto is, if I can't help you, help yourself.

[Chop Smith]

...My motto is, if I can't help you, help yourself.

I like your motto.

[selena]

I'm no great prize as far as sponsors go, but I can't believe someone would RESIZE a photo by making it BIGGER. That doesn't seem like an option to me. That is the kind of stuff I see affiliates do and think, "thanks for nothing". Thanks for making our content look totally crappy.


I've done that quite often with a femdom sponsor who, for whatever reasons, does not provide 600 min pics.

It has never made the content look crappy, or I wouldn't have used it.

[Useless]

Let me hijack this thread momentarily on the topic of giving affiliates access the to a site's members area. Now, I realize that sites like Trixie's and Raven's and other such model owned sites won't have this issue because they shoot their own content, so my question is aimed towards non-personality sites. Many content licenses specifically disclude use by affiliates. In other words, the content can be used solely by the purchaser on his/her sites, but cannot be shared with affiliates. How do sponsors deal with this? Do you purchase only content that is licensed for every use under the sun (which is waaaaay more expensive), or you do inform affiliates of specific sets that can or cannot be used?

[emmanuelle]

Many content licenses specifically disclude use by affiliates. In other words, the content can be used solely by the purchaser on his/her sites, but cannot be shared with affiliates. How do sponsors deal with this? Do you purchase only content that is licensed for every use under the sun (which is waaaaay more expensive), or you do inform affiliates of specific sets that can or cannot be used?



I will never understand programs full of sites that are comprised of non-exclusive material. What's the point? I have trouble taking seriously those paysites with tours full of rbc content that they paid a penny a pic on.
(yes, there is a time & place for overexposed content, but tours and major program sites are not it)
Exclusive content eliminates so many headaches. The little bit of purchased we use or 'shared' (a common practice among amateur sites) has brought us nothing but problems.

btw- shooting in house gets you exactly what you are looking for, and I've found it to be a much better value than contracting out.

[Far-L]

If it is Adam - give him a shout - he can be gruff sometimes but he is a fair, honest, and tough sensible businessman. Him and his wife have a great sense of their niche which I am sure you are profitably aware of.

The "tone" of an email can oftentimes be misleading. So talking with him is the best way to go. When you can each give your opinions more directly on why or why not to make an exception then I am sure you will both come to an understanding that fosters better biz between you.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm....

Of course if that fails then we would love to work with you... |waves|

[Toby]

Far-L, I appreciate what your saying, but I rarely give someone a second opportunity to blow me off. I've re-read Adam's email reply numerous times looking for various intended meanings. I've yet to come up with one that isn't disrepectful and unprofessional.

Since I deal almost exclusively with independent "amateur" sponsors I've gone out of my way to establish a presence in the community, let them know I'm trustworty and professional. Some of those that have posted in this thread can attest to that personally. I will simply send my traffic elsewhere.

As for your program, I've been signed up for some time and have been eagerly waiting while you sort out your promo content area. I look forward the getting checks from you on a regular basis. I just love getting money in the mail. :D

If it is Adam - give him a shout - he can be gruff sometimes but he is a fair, honest, and tough sensible businessman. Him and his wife have a great sense of their niche which I am sure you are profitably aware of.

The "tone" of an email can oftentimes be misleading. So talking with him is the best way to go. When you can each give your opinions more directly on why or why not to make an exception then I am sure you will both come to an understanding that fosters better biz between you.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm....

Of course if that fails then we would love to work with you... |waves|

[Far-L]

Far-L, I appreciate what your saying, but I rarely give someone a second opportunity to blow me off. I've re-read Adam's email reply numerous times looking for various intended meanings. I've yet to come up with one that isn't disrepectful and unprofessional.

Since I deal almost exclusively with independent "amateur" sponsors I've gone out of my way to establish a presence in the community, let them know I'm trustworty and professional. Some of those that have posted in this thread can attest to that personally. I will simply send my traffic elsewhere.

As for your program, I've been signed up for some time and have been eagerly waiting while you sort out your promo content area. I look forward the getting checks from you on a regular basis. I just love getting money in the mail. :D

Wow - thank you! That is fantastic news. Please drop me an email timlake AT Homegrownvideo DOT com and let me know what you need and I will make sure it goes up asap!

[Bree]

That just sounded like a really "I'm tired of webmasters asking for everything" type response. Those people/sponsors need to step away from their keyboard and come back later when they are less burned out and realize that a legitimate question requires a thoughtful response.

If your affiliates can not use the content you provide and you refuse to assist them, and you can't see the point of making it right, it won't be long before you're like a fish on a beach gasping for air...

I would agree that webmasters have gotten spoiled and really don't put the effort into doing good work, but here you have a webmaster this IS willing and wants to do a good job and the sponsor says "I can't please everyone?" He should send you the pics out bigger. You can't make a bigger jpg from a smaller one b/c of the compression issues. It will look like crap.

I'd move on to another sponsor... there are plenty that are willing to do what it takes to make you both profit from your work.

I guess I could have said all that with a simple /agreed but I had to rant my 2 cents LOLOL




and not that this has anything to with anything.. but this is my "69th" post... 69 is such a great number ;)

[GunnCat]

Move on Toby. <-That was my original advice. You can email him one more time and just let him know that if you can't get content required to submit to his tgps, you can't afford to submit his galleries just to have them declined because of the size of the images. Sure, it'd be great to be able to submit endlessly to TGPs and LLs, but many of us pay to submit a certain number of galleries and our submissions are money to us. We just can't afford not to get listed.
If he can't understand that then move on gracefully.->

[Toby]

Move on Toby. <-That was my original advice. You can email him one more time...Thanks, have already moved on. I pulled all links from my sites two days ago. Theres only one gallery still getting traffic from earlier TGP submits, all others have been removed from my server. I'll remove this last one too once the stats show it's no longer getting hits. I'd remove it now, but don't want to leave an active 404'd link on another TGP's site.

I'm not going to email again just to rub his nose in it, that's just not my style.

[MonsterPartners]

Well she is right, you can't please everyone...but you don't come right out and say it. I would be shocked if I received an email like that..however...as was pointed out earlier, it could be that the girl took it as just a complaint and not a request for something larger.

If she brings in a few sales, I would email back and see if the attitude is any differet

[Toby]

..If she brings in a few sales, I would email back and see if the attitude is any differetThat ship has sailed.