Need help with my sites cooless.com

[cooless]

So I bought hosting for my sites a few days ago but dont really know what type of sites i should make.

www.cooless.com
www.condomlesson.com

The current site design is just something i came up with a few days ago and not permanent. I have too much time on my hands |yawn|

im looking for a theme or something that fits. hit me up on AIM (toodum2getsum) or ICQ 15052107 |waves|

[Hammer]

I'm not sure how the name cooless works for an adult site but what does it mean anyway? Less cool or a play on the word clueless in which case it would mean not cool at all?

I guess condomlesson.com would have to be used to sell condoms because it definitely has a negative connotation for a porn site.

[GonZo]

I'm not sure how the name cooless works for an adult site but what does it mean anyway? Less cool or a play on the word clueless in which case it would mean not cool at all?

I guess condomlesson.com would have to be used to sell condoms because it definitely has a negative connotation for a porn site.
He could always sell condomlesson to Meat or DK! hahahaa

[Righteous]

How about a Planed Parenthood class getting out of hand for condomlesson.com

[ronnie]

How about a Planed Parenthood class getting out of hand for condomlesson.com

ROFL .. A new adult reality site in the making..

I like the first one, super clean and simple. Obviously it's up to you, it's your sites. Tgp's are going to burn more bandwidth, lower quality traffic, less sales and have to buy some traffic and trade to get it up there.

ronnie

[furrygirl]

I guess condomlesson.com would have to be used to sell condoms because it definitely has a negative connotation for a porn site.Why would it be so unheard of to have a porn site that promotes safer sex?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: For better or worse, people *do* look to porn as instructional material and to get ideas how how to fuck. While it's nothing I can do anything about, I strongly disagree that our industry chooses to hyper-fetishize high-risk sexual behavior and generally shies away from barriers on the assumption that fans won't dig porn that has condoms.

[Hammer]

Nothing wrong with promoting safe sex on an educational site, but on a porn site?

I'm not here to promote safe sex or birth control, I'm here to make money. Put the word condom in a domain name and you just shot yourself in the foot.

[BOSS]

Nothing wrong with promoting safe sex on an educational site, but on a porn site?

I'm not here to promote safe sex or birth control, I'm here to make money. Put the word condom in a domain name and you just shot yourself in the foot.

Unless its something like nocondoms.com

[awf]

Unless its something like nocondoms.com

well i think your still shooting your self in the foot. You lose the domain names keywords..

[furrygirl]

Nothing wrong with promoting safe sex on an educational site, but on a porn site?

I'm not here to promote safe sex or birth control, I'm here to make money.I'm here to make money, too, but that doesn't mean I must do so in the least responsible way possible. It's a cop-out to say that *you're* here to make money, as though people who want to discuss business ethics just doing this as a fun stupid hobby and have no clue how to do anything. (This same shit comes up EVERY SINGLE TIME there is an ethics discussion: "Dude, I'm here to make money", inferring that "making money" means doing whatever it takes and being as degrading/inaccurate/stupid as possible.)

As I said, it may not be our stated objective, but porn sites *are* used as sex education for tons of teens and adults. People *do* look to porn for advice, ideas, and just curiousity of how it all works. Porn *does* effect so many people's perceptions of how the human body is supposed to work and look.

We smut-peddlers may not *want* to be sex educators, but we are.

I'm not saying that every site has to focus on teaching people about herpes and condoms and abortion, but it's really shitty to see people jump to slam the idea of a porn site that features condoms.

[babymaker]

i don't think my creampie sites would work with condoms :D

[MeatPounder]

Ah a new micro niche.

They start off the sex with a condom and it slips off during the action!

condom less on dot com

[fetish1]

As I said, it may not be our stated objective, but porn sites *are* used as sex education for tons of teens and adults.


Those of us that were raised in the South must have been shorted in our sex education. I never remember my health teacher stating for extra credit go visit "cumfuckme.com" and write a report on sex, nor did my parents ever say "If you have questions about sex you don't feel comfortable asking us, please go check out some porn sites cause we think they will be able to clear things up for you."

I peddle adult entertainment...call it a cop out, call it whatever you want to...THAT'S what I SELL...and that's what I make money at...I DON'T teach sex education.

[fetish1]

Ah a new micro niche.

They start off the sex with a condom and it slips off during the action!

condom less on dot com

|haha

Creative!

[furrygirl]

I peddle adult entertainment...call it a cop out, call it whatever you want to...THAT'S what I SELL...and that's what I make money at...I DON'T teach sex education.There is no such thing as sex education in this country's public schools. There is "abstinence training".

Many parents do not talk frankly with their children about sex, they might do an anatomy talk and "save it for marriage", but almost no one I've met got accurate, positive information from their parents about sex.

You better believe that more than ever, teens and adults are looking to porn sites to figure out what on earth sex is and how it works.

As I said before, YOU ARE A SEX EDUCATOR, even if you didn't ask for the task and pretend you didn't hear me. It's nothing we can control, but we can control what sort of messages we send to people about sex.

[natalie]

Maybe it could be like cum slurpers of whatever that site is where they drink cum, except they drink it out of a condom. ewwww

[fetish1]

As I said before, YOU ARE A SEX EDUCATOR, even if you didn't ask for the task and pretend you didn't hear me .

LOL Anything else you feel the need to dictate to me about MY life and MY job?????? Just wanna make sure that I am meeting with your expectations! |yawn|

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but perhaps it's time to realize, that doesn't mean yours is the be all end all answer in the World. It's just that; YOUR opinion.

[Surfn]

Maybe it could be like cum slurpers of whatever that site is where they drink cum, except they drink it out of a condom. ewwwwWas that a typo? Didn't you mean to end with ...yummy ;)

[fetish1]

Was that a typo? Didn't you mean to end with ...yummy ;)

|jester|

[furrygirl]

LOL Anything else you feel the need to dictate to me about MY life and MY job?????? Just wanna make sure that I am meeting with your expectations! |yawn|

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but perhaps it's time to realize, that doesn't mean yours is the be all end all answer in the World. It's just that; YOUR opinion.No, it's an IRREFUTABLE FACT: people look to porn sites as places of sexual education and for ideas of how to fuck. I know, I know, FACTS are totally hard to wrap your tiny head around when you're so set on denying that you have ANY responsibilities whatsoever as a *cough!* adult business owner.

[natalie]

Was that a typo? Didn't you mean to end with ...yummy ;)

:D no it was definitely ewww. I can't get how anyone could like the taste of cum.. some guys should try tasting it themselves ;)
Not saying I won't have it in my mouth LOL Just not going out of my way to drink it...

[docholly]

Many parents do not talk frankly with their children about sex, they might do an anatomy talk and "save it for marriage", but almost no one I've met got accurate, positive information from their parents about sex.


Obviously you've never met any of my 8 children.

[furrygirl]

Obviously you've never met any of my 8 children.I hope you understand that you are a rare gem in that, right?

I can look around at my intelligent sex-positive friends with children and see good parenting, but it doesn't mean that John Q RedState is sitting his son down and talking to him about STI risks and symptoms, how to have safer oral, vaginal, and anal sex, and that it's okay if he wants to be queer or trans when he grows up. As saturated with "sex" as our society is, we're still in the dark ages when it comes to real-life sexual knowledge and levels of comfort with ones own sexuality.

[Chop Smith]

Jusus H. Christ! Do you think the guy got his question answered?

[cooless]

wow, you guys got some imagination |bow|

im thinking of turning cooless.com into some daily bookmark type of site and for condomlesson.com some type of porn link list? |thumb

ahh i still dont know

[Hammer]

There's nothing irresposible about running a porn site that does not outwardly condone the use of condoms, but I do think it's irresponsible to to actually promote the non-use of condoms and there's a big difference.

It's no different than advertising for cars where they show the drivers going very fast on winding roads because they are trying to excite someone into buying the car. They are not condoning speeding or showing the speedometer at 120mph but they are definitely showing the car doing things that most drivers can't do or shouldn't do because they would be unlawful. It's called effective advertising.

[docholly]

wow, you guys got some imagination |bow|

im thinking of turning cooless.com into some daily bookmark type of site and for condomlesson.com some type of porn link list? |thumb

ahh i still dont know

I used to bill my site as a "masturbation assistance program" *promoting webcams*.. and actually applied in Cali for a non-profit status. So you could really in a twisted way.. promote webcam sites using condomlesson.com as a venue.. give links on one side for the lessons (condom affiliate sites) and then have your Main THRUST so to speak being webcams where no condoms are necessary.

Just a round about thought..

[fetish1]

I know, I know, FACTS are totally hard to wrap your tiny head around when you're so set on denying that you have ANY responsibilities whatsoever as a *cough!* adult business owner.

OH I get it now, your opinion of me is supposed to matter to me! Gotcha...WRONG ANSWER again.

[fetish1]

I'm not sure how the name cooless works for an adult site but what does it mean anyway? Less cool or a play on the word clueless in which case it would mean not cool at all?



I just looked at his page again, and he explains on there that the domain was a drunken attempt at trying to purchase condomless.com but he didn't type it in correctly, and that's what he ended up with! lol

[Hammer]

Oh yeah, I saw how he came up with the name, my question is once he made the mistake and decided to keep it, what is the surfer supposed to think when they hear the name?

[Useless]

I'm still wondering why anyone would think that Penis-bot is anything other than a gay site. Names are funny that way. The destiny of a site is determined by how the owner works it, not by the domain he types when he's shit-faced.

[Surfn]

I'm still wondering why anyone would think that Penis-bot is anything other than a gay site. Names are funny that way. The destiny of a site is determined by how the owner works it, not by the domain he types when he's shit-faced.I've bought lots of 4 letter expired domains and use them for something that nothing to do with the spelling of the domain. Like you said it's all how you work it :)

[furrygirl]

wow, you guys got some imagination |bow|

im thinking of turning cooless.com into some daily bookmark type of site and for condomlesson.com some type of porn link list? |thumb

ahh i still dont knowI think you could make a very cool free site with condomlesson.com Why not ask sponsors for promo content with condoms, or more specifically, content that shows some hot babe putting the condom on? I know a number of guys who (Pavlovian, I know) get all excited to see the condoms come out because they know it means they're going to get some. It's something different, so don't listen to people who are so ravenously trying to hold up the same old porno standard of "condoms sucks".

[furrygirl]

There's nothing irresposible about running a porn site that does not outwardly condone the use of condoms, but I do think it's irresponsible to to actually promote the non-use of condoms and there's a big difference.I've never said that all adult sites need to devote lots of space to openly advocating safer sex. I simply see having condoms in porn as a wonderful and easy positive statement in itself, far more effective than having a drab text-only page about how Company X supports condom use.

Out of curiousity, where do you draw the line between "promoting the non-use of condoms" and just featuring content that doesn't use condoms?

[Hammer]

Out of curiousity, where do you draw the line between "promoting the non-use of condoms" and just featuring content that doesn't use condoms?
I don't care if the content depicts condom use or not, because like I said, I don't see it as my place as a pornographer to promote safe sex. That's up to schools, condom manufacturers, doctors and public service organizations. I am selling fantasies not reality. If I show two people having sex on a website, it is my assumption that they were both tested and are mature adults and know what they are doing. They could be married for all I know, and if they are, making them use condoms for a photo shoot just to make a point seems ridiculous to me.

If someone is old enough to use a credit card and pay to view porn, they are also old enough to have a brain and some common sense. If you think that showing them images of people using condoms is going to make them use condoms, but stories about people dying from AIDS isn't, then I think you are naive and they're idiots.

[furrygirl]

I don't care if the content depicts condom use or not, because like I said, I don't see it as my place as a pornographer to promote safe sex. That's up to schools, condom manufacturers, doctors and public service organizations.

Safer sex education is not happening in schools or public service organizations. The government does not fund anything that teaches anything other than "abstinence-only". If you're counting on the government to teach people about condoms and birth control and STIs, you've not been paying attention to the news from the last few years. Ideally, it would be great if there were trained sex education professionals that has actual medical experience that went around to schools and gave accurate and realistic information to young people about sex. However, even at the *best of times*, (I got sex ed in school with Clinton in office), the people teaching the material were the old sewing/home-ec ladies who could barely say penis without turning beet red, and surely weren't going to be able to tell me what my risks for contracting Hep C from giving a blow job, or how an abortion is performed if I chose to terminate a pregnancy.

I am selling fantasies not reality.

By that logic, would you promote an erotica site that specializes in stories about raping children? I mean, that's "just a fantasy", right? Again, it's just a cop-out: "I'm selling fantasies, I'm here to make money". So is everyone here, but that doesn't mean we should cast off any sense of ethics in the name of making a quick buck.

If someone is old enough to use a credit card and pay to view porn, they are also old enough to have a brain and some common sense.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If turning 18 magically gifts people with "common sense", then how come the news is filled with adults who do ignorant/malicious things? From the Bush administration to a local rapist to Darwin Award winners to the girls who takes *a* birth control pill every time they has sex, adults make mistakes constantly. Turning 18 means nothing, especially when their previous years were filled with purposeful misinformation about sexuality.

If you think that showing them images of people using condoms is going to make them use condoms, but stories about people dying from AIDS isn't, then I think you are naive and they're idiots.

I'm naive? If your argument held any water at all, it would mean that every person who is aware of deadly STIs would always practice safe sex, otherwise they're "idiots". Here's something I just Googled from the AMA site: "More than 60 million Americans are currently infected with an STD, and about 19 million new cases occur every year." Do you think that *none* of those 60 million people has ever heard of STIs, or were under 18, and therefor, had not yet gained "common sense"?

Keep sticking your head in the sand, maybe one of these days your own daughter will come home with a bun in the oven and syphilis because her boyfriend thought condoms are unsexy and she learned in school that they don't work anyhow.

I believe that we smut-peddlers have a responsibility to our viewers. Many pornographers have the mentality of criminals, in that they advocate doing whatever it takes to make money, and then they're shocked that the government treats us as criminals.

People in our profession need to realize that we do influence people with what we *tacitly* advocate on our sites. We may not be telling people how to have sex in big blazing text, but porn does weigh on what millions of people think of as "sexy" and "desirable".

I don't see how you can deny that people are influenced by the things they see around them: be it porn, movies, music, nature, family, or whatever. If it's not through what they read, experience, or watch, then how do *you* think people make up their minds about things? You could probably win the Nobel Prize if you find a way to refute everything that has been established in the fields of psychology and sociology, so please, let me in on your insights into the human mind.


The "sexual problems" in our world are too multifaceted to boil down to saying that the "solution" is using condoms in porn. I'm not saying that at all. I believe that porn does a great deal of good when it comes to getting people off and having fun, being an outlet for people who can't otherwise express their sexualities, making people see that others share their kinks, and igniting more personal passion or passion in relationships. I'm not the anti-porn crusader that you try to peg me as, but I feel like our industry does have problems that should be discussed and critiqued from within the industry. Porn can be better, it can make us money, it can provide people with awesome entertainment, and it is entirely possible to do so in a socially responsible way without that much more effort.

[Hammer]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree because I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Obviously neither of us is going to be able to change the other's viewpoint and I have better things to do. Frankly, I think you're in the wrong business.

As for your question about my selling fantasy and then asking if that meant I condoned child rape, you're being ridiculous and offensive. Good day.

[Hammer]

If you think convincing me is tough, maybe you should have a chat with Larry Flynt.

"Market testing -- and conventional wisdom -- tells us that films that feature actors wearing condoms don’t sell. That means that forcing condom use on the industry is more likely to have a negative rather than positive effect on HIV protection. It would drive the industry underground or out of state to where there is no testing, let alone a condom requirement. The net result would surely be more HIV infections."

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=2122

[furrygirl]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree because I have no interest in continuing this conversation.Way to address all my points.

I might not be in the majority, but I make a note to not do business with people who openly advocate "anything to turn a profit", because who knows where you people draw the line. I find it perfectly sound and reasonable to ask if you would promote "fantasy" child-raping erotica, because from your criminal mentality, it seem like you would if there was money in it for you. I also wouldn't put it past you to rip off affiliates and customers if you're all about making money and rejecting all senses of business ethics. It's a slipperly slope, being an outspoken champion of making a buck for yourself at any price, and I'm surely not the only one paying attention to your posts.

Frankly, I think you're in the wrong business.That's fine. I think you're the kind of person who is purposefully ruining this business and giving honest and ethical adult business owners a bad name.

As for your question about my selling fantasy and then asking if that meant I condoned child rape, you're being ridiculous and offensive. Good day.I find it offensive to see you peddling your arrogant, dangerous, amoral me-first philosophy that making money is more important than anything else in this world.

[Chop Smith]

Anyone have a rubber to put on a cucumber?

[Surfn]

Anyone have a rubber to put on a cucumber?
I have a used one if you want to borrow it...I last used it in 1996 :D

[MeatPounder]

Here is a start for
Condom Less On
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A young couple with a box of condoms proceeded to burn some rubber.

When they were finished, she discovered that there were only six condoms remaining in the box of 12, so she asked him, "What happened to the other five condoms?"

His nervous reply was, "Er, I masturbated with them."

Later, she then approached her male confidant friend, told him the story, and then asked him, "Have you ever done that?"

"Yeah, once or twice," he told her.

"You mean you’ve actually masturbated with a condom before?" she asked.

"Oh," he said, "I thought you were asking if I’d ever lied to my girlfriend."

[Useless]

Why not ask sponsors for promo content with condoms, or more specifically, content that shows some hot babe putting the condom on? I know a number of guys who (Pavlovian, I know) get all excited to see the condoms come out because they know it means they're going to get some.I really wish more women would get involved with the application of a condom. It's sexy for the babe to put it on the man because it's a sign that she WANTS it. Woohoo! ;) As simple as they seem, condoms can be a total pain in the ass to put on. I find it very difficult to maintain an erection while pausing to put a rubber on. A womens help in that matter is pretty sexy. (Luckily, I usually have sex with women who are even more diseased than me and the condom becomes a moot point. |dizzy| )

[ecchi]

cooless Getting back to your original reason for starting this thread: I have not seen any posts from you before so am I correct in thinking that you are new to the adult WM business? If so I would NOT recommend starting with a link list type site, as although they seem like an easy option they are not, you have to get plenty of traffic coming in (several thou per day) before you will get a reasonable amount of people posting. (Most newbies assume you get your traffic from the recips that are put on sites you post, but that is a Catch 22 situation, you don't get the traffic until you get sites posted, and you won't get sites posted until you get the traffic). Traffic management takes experience, you need to get a lot of practise in this before you start on any kind of link list.

What I suggest is that you start off going down the free site route (see other threads for details on how to do this). You may find that eventually you make enough money out of this, but if you do not, then once you have plenty of free sites you can set up your link list, and get start up traffic to it by adding a link to it on all your free sites.

One big advantage of going down the freesite route is that most of your traffic will be from link lists, so your domain name will not be important (you could be www.christians-against-porn.com for all it mattered).

[Hammer]

I might not be in the majority, but I make a note to not do business with people who openly advocate "anything to turn a profit", because who knows where you people draw the line. I find it perfectly sound and reasonable to ask if you would promote "fantasy" child-raping erotica, because from your criminal mentality, it seem like you would if there was money in it for you. I also wouldn't put it past you to rip off affiliates and customers if you're all about making money and rejecting all senses of business ethics.
Criminal mentality? It's a crime now to not promote condom use on a website? You need to get a grip.

You also need to start watching your words carefully. I'm perfectly willing to debate an issue with anyone, but you are now making personal attacks and libelous ones at that.

No, I do not condone child rape and don't have a fucking clue what that has to do with what I said. I said I was promoting fantasies, I never said I promoted illegal fantasies.

You wouldn't put it past me to rip off affiliates? What a moronic statement. How in the hell do you segue from an argument about the issue of promoting condoms on a porn site to calling me a criminal and accusing me of being unethical?

In another thread you're conding linking to a site that promotes prostitution, but you have the ovaries to tell me I have a criminal menatlity because I don't see the point in using a porn site to raise public awareness about condoms? |huh

p.s. I noticed that you sell condoms on at least one of your sites so it looks to me like you're arguing your position from one of profit and not altruism.

[furrygirl]

You have some serious reading comprehension problems.

Criminal mentality? It's a crime now to not promote condom use on a website? You need to get a grip.Where did I claim that's it's illegal to feature bare-backing in porn? (Simple-minded people can never seem to grasp the difference between saying that something is an ethical question and saying that something is illegal.)

I did not call you a criminal.

I said that believing in casting aside ethics in the name of benefiting yourself financially is a *criminal mentality*.

No, I do not condone child rape and don't have a fucking clue what that has to do with what I said. I said I was promoting fantasies, I never said I promoted illegal fantasies.

You wouldn't put it past me to rip off affiliates? What a moronic statement. How in the hell do you segue from an argument about the issue of promoting condoms on a porn site to calling me a criminal and accusing me of being unethical?Thank you for clarifying that there are some things you wouldn't want to make money off of, you never did in the past. If you take the position that you sell "fantasies" and don't believe in any sense of ethics, it's really not a stretch to ask you if you would promote "fantasy" CP. Nor is it a stretch to wonder if someone who's a crusader for amorality would rip people off.

In another thread you're conding linking to a site that promotes prostitution, but you have the ovaries to tell me I have a criminal menatlity because I don't see the point in using a porn site to raise public awareness about condoms?Again, reading comprehension. EmpressM is not a hooker, she is a dominatrix. She has not been charged with a crime. She is not charging for sex. From what I can gather, she is charging people for legal BDSM sessions. Your point makes no sense.

p.s. I noticed that you sell condoms on at least one of your sites so it looks to me like you're arguing your position from one of profit and not altruism.Oh, look how clever you are, clicking on my sig to dig up "dirt" on me.

Where on earth do you keep getting the idea that I'm some wide-eyed crazy who is against making money? I have, in fact, stated in this thread, repeatedly, that I am here to make money, just not at any cost. READING COMPREHENSION. There is a world of grey area between running a non-profit social justice project that aims to benefit all humankind and being a sleazy money-grubber who would do anything for a buck. You can't seem to grasp that, though.

I know that these ethics discussions befuddle people like you, but let me repeat myself one more time.

I am not against making money. I am not in favor of the government passing a law to force condom use in porn. Nor do I even think that all porn should have to feature condoms. I am *for* running an adult business that has just a modicum of social responsibility when it comes to the messages it sends.

Do you see me picking on every person here who links to sites that show condom-free porn? No, because I only have an interest in picking on people like yourself who want to be outspoken champions of not having ethics as pornographers. Condoms in porn are just a drop in the bucket, as I've said, but it's a nice gesture, a positive thing to promote, and a responsible thing to sexualize. If such a relatively small ethical discussion stimulates such a rabid amoral response from you, lordy knows how you would deal with bigger issues.

[furrygirl]

I really wish more women would get involved with the application of a condom. It's sexy for the babe to put it on the man because it's a sign that she WANTS it. Woohoo! ;) As simple as they seem, condoms can be a total pain in the ass to put on. I find it very difficult to maintain an erection while pausing to put a rubber on. A womens help in that matter is pretty sexy.I do my best to help in that department, except that I don't like the "sexy" cliche of putting them on with my mouth- yuck! (Which could also be a bad thing, since oily products of any sort, even lipstick/chapstick, should not make contact with condoms, as it destroys the latex.)

I don't carry them since the company utilizes milk in their manufacturing process, but you might want to check out the neat http://www.hotrodcondoms.com for getting a rubber on quickly.

[juggernaut]

I say fuck safe sex. There are too many morons walking this earth (me included). Deadly STD's are natures way of thinning out the herd and rightfully so. If you are stupid enough in today’s world to bang someone the first night without wrapping yourself then you get what you deserve. Not to make this a long post, but I was talking to a friend the other day about my first entrance into the military. During our medical testing they split up the men and women. Then later that day we saw the girls in a group of about 12, and then later we saw them again in a group of about 7. We asked the medical officer what happened to the girls (figuring they failed something) and were told 40% of the females test positive for some kind of STD and didn't even know they had it. Stupidity is like herpes, no one wants it, most people have some form of it, hiding it is hard as hell and it is handed down to your offspring. In the words of Willy Wonka “GOOD DAY SIR!!”

[furrygirl]

I say fuck safe sex. There are too many morons walking this earth (me included). Deadly STD's are natures way of thinning out the herd and rightfully so. If you are stupid enough in today’s world to bang someone the first night without wrapping yourself then you get what you deserve. Not to make this a long post, but I was talking to a friend the other day about my first entrance into the military. During our medical testing they split up the men and women. Then later that day we saw the girls in a group of about 12, and then later we saw them again in a group of about 7. We asked the medical officer what happened to the girls (figuring they failed something) and were told 40% of the females test positive for some kind of STD and didn't even know they had it. Stupidity is like herpes, no one wants it, most people have some form of it, hiding it is hard as hell and it is handed down to your offspring. In the words of Willy Wonka “GOOD DAY SIR!!”That's brilliant, I like the "only stupid stupid-heads get something as stupid as an STD" argument, especially since you seem to be arguing against condom use *period*. If a person's intellect was what determined whether or not they got STIs (some of which manifest no symtoms and/or are impossible to test for in males), you'd be 6 feet under.

[emmanuelle]

(loud, two-finger whistle)
Ladies & gentlemen, this thread has really gotten off topic.

FurryGirl- You really do have some very valid points. Unfortunately the delivery of said points obscures them. A lighter approach might make it easier to get your message through and understood.

Hammer- As someone representing a resource and information portal for industry types, shouldn't you be a little more open minded to people? Especially in discussions about areas you are unfamilliar with. A good educator listens keenly and is receptive to new ideas.

[Hammer]

Hammer- As someone representing a resource and information portal for industry types, shouldn't you be a little more open minded to people? Especially in discussions about areas you are unfamilliar with. A good educator listens keenly and is receptive to new ideas.
Exactly what is it you think I'm unfamiliar with and what new ideas have been presented in this thread?

The only reason we got to this point in the first place is because I made a simple statement on page one that I thought using the word condom in a domain name would be counter productive for a porn site and would only make sense for a site that benefitted from promoting condom use. That's my opinion and FurryGurl is welcome to disagree but since Larry Flynt and most other pornographers agree with me, I think she's preaching a losing sermon.

So, what is it you think I'm unfamiliar with?

p.s. Running the online operations for Klixxx does not automatically predispose me to not having or not voicing my opinions. Be sure to tune into my new radio show in a couple of weeks and you'll hear even more of my opinions.

[emmanuelle]

It's a little inappropriate that you spam your show (and indirectly another board) on this one.

As long as your opinions and thoughts remain as editorial, then free speech triumphs. Once you crossover into the 'educational' aspects of Klixxx University or their other properties, your lack of insight, objectivity and preparedness damages not only your own credibility, but that of the organization you represent.

[Hammer]

I don't see anything innappropriate about it and moderators for other boards post on ours with their resource centers in their sigs as well. Board owners don't appreciate other board representatives posting links to their boards in their sigs, but reps from YNOT, Cozy Frog and other 'resource sites' post with links on other boards all the time. There's also a big difference between participating on a board and just dropping in to promote something. Kath Blackwell posts on this board as well and has a link to Klixxx in her sig and to my knowledge no one has ever had a problem with it.

I have not once brought up Klixxx University, you did, and I didn't 'spam' my show, you just took it that way. I was simply pointing out that I'm opinionated and have no problems sharing my opinions.

However, you still have not explained how it is you think I'm uniformed and now have a lack of insight. I do not think forcing models to wear condoms promotes condom use, it's that simple. If you disagree, that's your right and I'm happy to hear how you think differently, and if your argument is compelling enough, I might change my mind, but telling my I'm uniformed accomplishes nothing.

[juggernaut]

That's brilliant, I like the "only stupid stupid-heads get something as stupid as an STD" argument, especially since you seem to be arguing against condom use *period*. If a person's intellect was what determined whether or not they got STIs (some of which manifest no symtoms and/or are impossible to test for in males), you'd be 6 feet under.
Well surly your emotions are getting into the way of your reading. If you read what I said it's rather basic. Here I'll break it down for you.
1. this topic is out of hand and has gone from talks about using a word in a domain name to a full blown out safe sex campain.
2. My comment is no differant then the fact if you keep poking a dog with a stick you should expect to get bitten at some point.

In todays world with so many things going around that can kill you, to go out and not practice safe sex is stupid. Let's remember something here condoms have two uses.

1. To aid in the prevention of spreading stds
2. To aid in preventing unwanted pregnancies.

But both campains have fallen on deaf ears. How many people think just because you are married you now have the right to have a child even if you can't afford to raise one in this country? Fact here is this. It's not my job to promote such things, why? Because history has shown most people are going to do what they want, regardless of what anyone tells them. Smoking is a fine example of that, it kills people everyday but yet people still do it and that is what make people stupid.

[furrygirl]

That's my opinion and FurryGurl is welcome to disagree but since Larry Flynt and most other pornographers agree with me, I think she's preaching a losing sermon.

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I do not think forcing models to wear condoms promotes condom use, it's that simple.Yet again, you've paid no attention to what I'm saying, so please try re-reading my posts. I have never once advocated "force". I have never once advocated that the government should regulate condom use in our industry. I haven't even advocated that all porn must use condoms. |crazy|

Your arguments all rest on debating things I've never said, like "accusing" me of making money because, despite my multiple claims to the contrary, you think that my position here is that none of us should ever charge for anything.

[furrygirl]

1. this topic is out of hand and has gone from talks about using a word in a domain name to a full blown out safe sex campain.

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Let's remember something here condoms have two uses.

1. To aid in the prevention of spreading stds
2. To aid in preventing unwanted pregnancies.

But both campains have fallen on deaf ears.If you think that featuring condoms in porn is too a radical "full blown out safe sex campain [sic]", then what exactly is this realistic condom/sex ed "campain" you speak of? Because in all my travel around the US, I've never seen this mass educational project to get people to use condoms that you seem to think exists. (Aside from a few condom ads placed by condom manufacturers in publications that allow it, and grassroots orgs passing out condoms at events.) And actually, I don't blame you for it, since most people seem to think that it's some kind of US government/school project to teach people about safer sex, when, in fact, the US government and schools work against safer sex education as rigorously as they can get away with.

My interest in sexual matters is not limited to how to sell porn or how to look cute on cam. I spend lots of my time researching sex, sexual health, birth control, gender/queer studies, sex work, sex ed, abortion rights, access to healthcare, and all sorts of things in both a historical and contemporary sense. So, I keep up on things, like reading sample texts from popular high school "sex ed" curricula that teaches teens that condoms don't really work anyway, so "just don't do it". (Even when teens who have gone through abstinence-only brainwashing have shown to fuck more than teens who have safer sex education; the only difference being, one group knows more about how to avoid STIs and pregnancy through barriers.) The outright lies that are being taught to "our" children with our tax money is horrifying. It is something everyone in America should be riled up about, because we are paying for it in a number of ways.

So, please, see just a bit of the context in which you're saying that only dumb people don't know how to use condoms or don't use them at all. You can't really blame someone for not having the best sexual practices/health/attitude when their whole life they've been told that condoms are ineffective and *all* non-marital sex results in shame, pregnancy, disease, and even suicidal ambition.

Like I said, it's all a big big issue, and condoms in porn isn't the one magical solution. But, it is one positive thing that we can do, since we're the ones that people look to for ideas.

[juggernaut]

Let me ask you something. Do you use condoms? Do you practice safe sex? Maybe none of my business but why are you so stuck on this whole thing? Safe sex campaigns where the norm in the late 80's early 90's but after Magic Johnson out lived the deadly aids, people stopped listening. Learning about safe sex, like everything else starts in the home.

There have been and still are adult movies showing people with condoms on and all they tell people is the person wearing it or receiving it probably has something or is concerned about getting something. When I see images or movies with such things I don't see a company that required their actors to be tested. I see a company that just wanted to make a movie and did not care who was going to be acting. I see actors who needed cash so bad that they are willing to risk their lives for it, in hopes that the condom won't break. Surly they have not seen any documents stating the person was recently tested. If they had and they‘re still requiring the person to wear one then there is a fear in place that is well justified but just stupid to ignore to the point of taking such a risk. But did it ever make me put one on? Hell no! Will it ever make me put one on? Hell no! All it made me think was someone in that image has something that can kill the other person.

I never said that dumb people don’t know how to use a condom. I mean come on, how hard is it to figure out. Sure maybe you break the 1st one the very first time but after that if you can't figure out how they work maybe you should not be having sex in the first place. And if that is the case then you are dumb. They’re no different then putting on a jacket, shoe or hat. Leave one with a 5 year old child and they will figure it out rather fast (clothing, not the condom). But my point on the dumbness of people is simple. If you are going to be with someone you barely know and you both have not been tested, and you are still willing to have sex with them with out a condom, in today’s world you are dumb. Just like playing with a loaded gun. With all the violence you see in the world from them, if you are going to play with one then you are dumb and most likely will pay a heavy price for it sooner or later. If you can’t figure out from all the media and TV shows that a loaded gun is something that can kill you, then you are a dumbass.

I have never ever heard anyone say condoms are ineffective. I have heard people say the only way to be 99% sure you won't catch anything is by not having sexual contact at all, but never that a condom is ineffective. Maybe they’re telling you that in Washington state but then again, I don't know. Last time I was there the people seemed smarter then that.

You’re talking about looking for a solution a solution to what? STD's? Under age kids having kids? You’re correct there is no one magic bullet to fix all this, but fact remains it will never be fixed and trying to fix it is a waste of time. Trying to promote a way to fix it is a waste of time.

So now you’re going to what? Jump on me and say I'm lazy and should be ashamed to just sit back and let people die. News flash it happens every minute of the day and honestly everything that relates to a persons life starts from the home. I really do believe that in 99% of the causes of every problem we have in this world can be traced back to the parents. But that’s a whole other issue, but it’s the real issue that needs to be fixed. Raise your kids proper, to respect themselves and others and most of these issues will go away. In today’s world most parents are to busy to care, but very quick to point the finger, never ever placing blame where it belongs, on them. If they took to time to promote such things as love, honesty, peace, responsibility, respect, political awareness, education and yes proper sexual practices and physical hygiene, instead of making a buck is all that matters. Then you would not be concerned with this issue because it would not be a huge issue in this world.

Regardless of what I say we are never going to see eye to eye on this. I am from an old school, where hitting your children is a good thing, where a hand shake means something. Where your word is all you have when you die, so make sure you live up to it. Where respecting your family enough to teach them good values is all that matters for a real man. I am not of the tree hugging way of life. I do not believe in fixing others problems before fixing your own. I believe in standing up for what you believe is right and that furrygirl is about the only thing we have in common and for that I respect you. You have shown here that you are intelligent and very educated and I would think you would realize there are better things to do with your time then try and save the world.

The smartest man to ever walk this planet said "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

[furrygirl]

Juggernaut, I can't even figure out what your point is, other than that you believe in hitting children and you will never ever wear a condom.

Let me ask you something. Do you use condoms? Do you practice safe sex?My argument has never been that all porn has to include condoms, but for some reason, I've said that like 4 times and no one has actually read it yet.

Both of my male partners (I'm polyamorous) and I have made the decisions, after a period of time where we were using condoms, to be fluid-bonded and stop using condoms between us. We get STI screenings, and I'm on the pill. Because of the level of responsibility inherent to maintaining an open relationship, we all trust each other to not be engaging in higher-risk sexual acts without condoms when it comes to other people. For the three of us, this level "safer sex" works, even though there are *always* risks.

I firmly believe in people choosing their own level of sexual risks, so long as they are making informed decisions based on knowledge of how to properly use contraceptives (for heterosex) and safer sex barrier methods (like condoms, dams, and gloves), and their and their partner's STI stats to the best of their abilities. (Meaning, knowing that testing can have inaccurate results or their partner could have picked up something recently that is not showing up.) I personally think that many people in this world engage in sexual conduct don't qualify on one or both of those counts. That's not a "judgement", but not everyone is going to go down to the Planned Parenthood with every person they want to bang and then wait a couple of weeks for result, and repeat in 6 months to see how things look.

So, back in the world of one-nighters and infrequent STI screens, I do believe firmly in safer sex. If I were to bring home with some random dude tomorrow, I'd get a rubber on him before his pants hit the floor. I'm a realistic person, and in the real world of non-committed hookups, condoms get my absolute endorsement.

I have never ever heard anyone say condoms are ineffective. I have heard people say the only way to be 99% sure you won't catch anything is by not having sexual contact at all, but never that a condom is ineffective. Maybe they’re telling you that in Washington state but then again, I don't know. Last time I was there the people seemed smarter then that.Anti-sex brainwashing programs in public schools greatly play up how ineffective and useless condoms are. If I had more time, I would do some research for direct quotes, but I don't think you're that interested. The goal of "modern" "sex ed" is essentially to tell teens that having premarital sex will seriously scar them for life, that there are deadly diseases out there, that everything is just to frightening and morally wrong, and that birth control and condoms aren't terribly effective at all (as a part of the whole scare-tactic theme). Oh, and that all those supposedly problems are magically solved once you say, "I do", because, you know, no one has ever had an unhappy marriage.

I was doing some reading on one of SIECUS's sites, so here's their page about your so-much-more-enlightened New Jersey: http://www.ncsse.org/mandates/NJ.html There's some good news with Trenton, the school board actually shot down some abstinence-only speakers. But, look at these excepts on Newark:

Public high schools in Newark, New Jersey are scheduled to begin teaching an abstinence-only-until-marriage program called The Choice Game, created by the Several Sources Foundation, a faith-based organization that opposes abortion rights.The classes in Newark's public schools will not mention contraception or condoms, although condom usage is discussed briefly in another class taught by a different teacher.Newark has one of the highest rates for teen births and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) in New Jersey.

I'm not saying that any US state is really any better, but sheesh, New Jersey is hardly the glass house from which to insinuate that other people backwards hicks in the sex ed department.

If you're looking for a longer read than those representative little snippets, try SIECUS's booklet about scare tactics and sex ed: http://www.siecus.org/pubs/tsha_scaredchaste.pdf You could even print it out and read it on the can!

One of the sex ed programs used in schools that I've had a chance to read parts of is Sex Respect. From the student FAQ on their site:

Are you telling us that sex is bad?
No, sexual love is something too good to be spoiled by misuse. Marriage is the only relationship that can secure its meaning. I’m talking about love, not uncommitted sexual activity. Sex is a privilege, not a right. If we misuse it by treating it as our right, in premarital or even extramarital relationships, we then suffer terrible costs–physical, emotional and psychological damage.

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The anxiety of getting pregnant or catching a sexual transmitted disease can lead to depression. Some 400,000 teens annually have abortions, a source of depression, even suicide.Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed that young people are being taught that by having sex outside marriage, they "suffer terrible costs–physical, emotional and psychological damage" to such an extent that they might kill themselves? It makes me sick to see such true meanness fed to people, especially impressionable young folk, and it's so sad how few people have even the slightest idea what is being taught in US schools these days.

So please, don't try and argue with me about what you "assume" is being taught in public schools, because you're not going to win. I keep up on all sorts of sexual matters as best as my time allows- be it a cute new butt plug or what Miers thought of Griswold V Connecticut. (She'd never heard of the case, BTW!)

This is just some of the context where my statements throughout this thread are coming from. There really isn't much "sex education" apart from porn sites this days, which is quite unfortunate, considering the "educational" value of so much of the junk out there. Sure, there are some awesome parents, committed non-profits like http://www.scarleteen.com, and politically active groups working to establish a better sense of sexual education and access to sexual healthcare for people of all ages, but for the rest, there's PORN. For that and other reasons, I will always argue that it's unfortunate to see that the direction so many porn people push for is to see how much more violent, degrading, inaccurate, and simply stupid they can make their content.

Believe me, *I* don't want the collective "you people" to be America's sex educators anymore than you do! But, it remains: people look at us to figure out how to fuck and get new sexual ideas for what they want to try, for better or worse. So pretty please, let's not knock condoms quite so quickly, and let's give Cooless a nice supportive hand in tapping a new and interesting niche that could make sales for himself and all the delightful sponsors out there.

[cooless]

So, I guess you guys are done argueing now hehe...

I think I will take the advice to make tons of free galleries and the maybe later on start my own link list.

now all i need is a nice huge list of sponsors with not so over used content for download. I have lots of free time on my hands. Just trying to find a way to make some extra money to modified my new Lotus Elise (http://www.lotuscars.com) .

I would appreciate it if anyone can provide me with a list by catagory or whatever. or if you have any other advice... please contact me

ICQ: 15052107 AIM: toodum2getsum EMail: webmaster@cooless.com

[Trev]

cooless, this is always an excellent starting point when looking for sponsers http://www.greenguysboard.com/resources/sponsors/index.html As for the 'not so over used content' I'm sorry to tell you, but you'll probably find that you're better off buying your own.