anybody down on signups

[plateman]

i just came from maxcash board it seems there's people complaining about converts not with them only but other sponsors too

is it bad time of month do the sign ups come steady or 1 or 2 here and there

[Extreme John]

We saw a very odd decrease in sales yesterday overall, however overall web traffic (for us) was down a bit as well. I did some research and we noticed the same sales decline approx. the same time last year.

Thats just my piece of info :)

[Greenguy]

I'm having a pretty good month as far as checks coming in, but that just means I had a pretty good last month for sales - LOL

[Cleo]

Sales the last few weeks have been ok, but far from great.

The economy is still weak, people are not spending. Things are improving, I'm seeing spending again by my clients in my other business, but I'm seeing that they are taking forever paying which means they are strapped for cash.

Oh yeah, web sales usually slow down for me around the holidays anyway and then pick up again after the new year.

[plateman]

i guess i am just bumed out no signups 10 sites not 1 fucking convert
i am getting hits to sponsors i need more traffic your submit page has been down you were my #1 traffic source not your fault

i got 3 sites with cyber bucks and have all together 300 hits in about 4 or 5 days and nothing , i know i need more sites but still i would like to see 1 lousy signup to even know if everything works ok

would one of your tpg list, take one of my best gallery form 1 of my sites i have about 7 gig to burn, before it ends the period i can upgrade to more if needed

i worked my ass of on this shit

thanks

[Linkster]

plateman - its easy to get discouraged but it takes time to build the hits to sponsors - just keep building and the sales will come :)

BTW - in answer to your question about galleries - the smart free site builder should always make the two galleries on a free site tgp ready - in other words - have the two galleries inside a free site be tgp style galleries so you can just make copies and add recips :) then submit away

[plateman]

thanks for short lived boost LOL

do u think this gallery will pass at a tpg

http://www.nastylovingslut.com/older_slut/page2.htm

i know you must follow thumb size and all of the rules and post least amount of pics they will take to save bw ect..

does any tpgs come to mind that will take new people and will not use mega bw like the hun and ultra high traffic lists

i thank you for helping me

[Nickname]

I think that gallery will list on most tgp's if you had a few more pics.....10 is abit on the short side for a regular tgp gallery, i would suggest 15......:)
also make the text under the banner 1 or 2 points bigger.....:)

My sales are down this period :/ traffic is same but sales are like half......(half of not much LOL) but just keep building, your sales will come!

[lightening]

Well, Our sales dramatically dropped this month, I thought i was the only one. I did totally re-design my site, and sign-ups seem to have jumped a bit, Probably a coincidence, considering this was my first design job ever.

http://www.pinupbabes.com/

[Extreme John]

We saw a nice jump in sales today which I always tend to track carefully, if it's a Friday and the stock market finishes up (which it did), all the little happy money driven horny cocks buy more.|bananna|

[GeorgeTH]

Originally posted by plateman
do u think this gallery will pass at a tpg
http://www.nastylovingslut.com/older_slut/page2.htm
i thank you for helping me
As somebody else said before me: it's a little short on images = most tgp sites require at least 12, 15 seems to be the norm.

It's also a very old-fashioned gallery (not that that is necessarily bad... some people say they're converting better) and it could be that several tgps wouldn't list it for this reason (and that too many cheater galleries are done in a similar fashion).

I would also recommend that you make the background a little darker, which would match the sponsor tour better, gets the banners to stand out more, and would be more gentle on the eyes.

To give you an idea: I spent today about 4 hours on just one template (1 hour of it to find the font from the tour - grrr) and I'm still not happy with it...

|peace|

edit: btw my sales for the entire month are shocking! But I can also tell there's some heavy shaving going on (this from me who in the past has said that these statements are probably exaggerated...)

[ardentgent]

I started the month like a house on fire. Then around the 10th of the month sign-ups all but disappeared except for one here and then one there. Seems to be a pattern as other wm I have spoken too are experiencing the same thing.

[garv]

sales are down but traffics up and not just TGP or LL traffic but SE traffic in the niches I'm after so yes sales seem really down.

Most of September was bad, October and start of November were good. Guess people are buying christmas pressies rather than porn :(

regards
garv

[Tommy]

Wow i have never heard of anyone
that tied porn sales in to the ups and downs of the stock market
thats thinking


My 2 cents is that the internet is to big to just blame it on anyone thing

I mean maybe 2 guys in califorinia would have bought maxcash memberships but the weather was nice so they went to the park instead..... anything can and does happen

Greenie I really have to thank you for that free thing I took from you

[Cleo]

Tommy I do love your singular wit that you possess even if it is a bit cryptic at times.

I know lets blame it on taxes. I believe we all get our property tax bills about the same time, correct me if I'm wrong, and down here you could hear the screams of anguish as this year's bills were opened a mile away, just fucking tragic.

Anyway I still think it is in a large part due to many people are in a cash crunch.

[plateman]

hi cleo are you going to take me under your wing or "those other things you have" and guide me on my link list project please please LOL |bananna|

[Tommy]

I think she might be to busy chating on the phone with urb

[plateman]

tommy you know what things i am talking about lol |peace|

[Tommy]

No, I dont know.

I know nothin

so tell us what "things" are you talking about ????

[plateman]

those big knockers she has LOL

dont get mad cleo i think there nice |santa|

[graphicsbytia]

I've seen a drop yes, and I know why that is too.. not only is the visa thing affecting business.. but on top of that, google is in the middle of a huge indexing of some sort, sites aren't where they should be in the results pages, and I know this is directly responsible for my drop in sales as I had several sites in top 5 positions before this shuffle. I know they'll come back.. but dang.. this thing is taking a really long time :(

[Cleo]

Plateman you should only do gay porn. This way there will not be any knockers to distract you and you will make more money.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Cleo
Plateman you should only do gay porn. This way there will not be any knockers to distract you and you will make more money. LMAO

[urb]

Don't analyze it too much. A lot of people post all kinds of theory.

There are far too many variables in this market.

Best thing to do is BUILD.

[JanTM]

Big Knockers?? Did I hear someone say Big Knockers?? |boobies| |bananna|

[urb]

Originally posted by JanTM
Big Knockers?? Did I hear someone say Big Knockers?? |boobies| |bananna| You've got a message board tracker set for that very phrase, haven't you Jan. :)

[JanTM]

LOL... something like that urb :D

[xxxjay]

i've been kicking ass

[Fisty Palmer]

I'm certainly not a voice of experience here, but from a surfer point of view I think sign-ups will continue to slow down for two fundamental reasons:

1) There's too much free content.

2) Some of the paysites really suck, and people are tired of having their pockets picked.

Does it work to refuse to list galleries containing excessively graphic content? In other words, show some skin but leave something to the imagination.

Concerning paysites, doesn't it make sense to investigate what you're promoting? If, for example, the site in question has a great tour but the content inside fails to live up to the hype, isn't it better to not promote such sites and avoid the negative reputation received for marketing low quality goods?

I know a fair percentage of sites live off bookmark traffic, so isn't it more rational to market sites that maintain a high level of quality, thus ensuring your recommendations to the surfer will be gold, and not thought of as just more hype, or worse yet -- outright lies?

Just some pre-Thanksgiving ramblings.

Fisty
|rasta|

[xxxjay]

my signups are better than ever - one thing you are right about is the paysites having lame members areas - the way nastydolars gives you like 10 sites for the price of one is a good way to go. that way they get alot for the money

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by xxxjay
my signups are better than ever - one thing you are right about is the paysites having lame members areas - the way nastydolars gives you like 10 sites for the price of one is a good way to go. that way they get alot for the money

that's what we decided to do on digibucks too. 7 sites right now and more coming, all for one membership, it's working great.

[plateman]

man i must have freeloader traffic or my sponsors sites suck i have yet to convert

i dont have mega traffic but out of a 100 people to sponsor you would think that 1 person would know how or want to take a free trial and cancel if they dont like it

it is so hard to get started in this biz

hey xxxjay to u know of a tpg that will maybe convert and not burn major bw

and dont say everybody looking for that LOL

[plateman]

hey digibucks do u have free content to promote your sites and what is it converting at

thanks

[Fisty Palmer]

Originally posted by xxxjay
my signups are better than ever -

Tell us your secret, dude!

You know it's spiritually constipating to keep all of those secrets locked up. Besides, you'll get an impaction.

And don't say "hard work," or I'll be forced to shoot a silver bullet through your heart. Let the healing begin!

Fisty
|rasta|

[Extreme John]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
that's what we decided to do on digibucks too. 7 sites right now and more coming, all for one membership, it's working great.

Yeah we have been doing that for over 4 years now, buy one membership and get a pass to X ammount of sites at no charge. Not to mention we update with at least 3 exclusive content updates every day, members love that shit :0)

Extreme is having a record sales day today, excellent sales, and on Turkey Day, woooo hoooo!!!

Gotta be deversified and not just sell the huge hardcore sites, you need to be traffic specific and be creative dont just have 1 angle of the box taken care of, a box needs all of it's sides to be strong.

Have a great turkey day and I hope some of you are having some excellent sales accross the board and ofcourse with us.

[matt]

Originally posted by Extreme John
Extreme is having a record sales day today, excellent sales, and on Turkey Day, woooo hoooo!!!
I'm having record personal sales too... Mabye you guys should get the turkey out once a month instead of once a year! :)

[babymaker]

damn, john you were my only sale today actually friday i guess but tonite for V.C. 1:7 heheh my day sucked other than extreme. well, i didnt know u did the buy 1 get em all thing now i should do even better (we can put that is sales text right?) i didnt know u did that i do great for V.C. but get a lot of hits for public thongs and some others so i will update the text links and hopefully do even better! |rasta| i think all sponsors should go that way especially small ones with little content. would help people like me who are working real niche stuff and more "educated" porn consumers who know how to get tons of shit free. i think a lot of the more advanced consumers who know how to work yahoo groups and other places might shell out $20-50 if they knew they could get more live chat, 10 + sites etc. hope this becomes a bigger trend. |santa| hope you all had a good turkey day lol i just worked, most of the extended family is dead lol so we dont do it like we used to will go home for x-mas.

[Cleo]

Sales have picked up for me this week, but are still weak.

Sponsors that I normally do very well with are just not converting lately.
So far this month
1st Page 2nd Page Ratio
8,127 2,777 1:1388
This is not a sponsor that advertises on this board.

Yet other sponsors that I don't normally push are converting.

Looks like it is time to start pushing different sponsors.

[plateman]

Yea cleo I been thinking about trying some more sponsors

have a good one

[Greenguy]

According to RevStats (http://ggaj.revstats.com) this month will be better than last month, which was much better than July, Aug & Sept.

[Ramster]

Originally posted by plateman
man i must have freeloader traffic or my sponsors sites suck i have yet to convert

i dont have mega traffic but out of a 100 people to sponsor you would think that 1 person would know how or want to take a free trial and cancel if they dont like it

it is so hard to get started in this biz


1:100 is unrealistic. I have sponsors that do that some days or better and some sponsors that do 1:200 over an entire month but when sending 100 hits to a sponsor daily you might not see a sale for weeks.

Keep building! It sounds redundant but until you can start sending at least 1000 hits daily or more to a sponsor then you will not see consistent sales.

Spend less time on the boards wondering about sales and keep building!

[plateman]

good advice ramster

I just signed up with extreme pay and going to build more sites

have a good one

[coy]

Originally posted by Fisty Palmer
I'm certainly not a voice of experience here, but from a surfer point of view I think sign-ups will continue to slow down for two fundamental reasons:

1) There's too much free content.

2) Some of the paysites really suck, and people are tired of having their pockets picked.

Does it work to refuse to list galleries containing excessively graphic content? In other words, show some skin but leave something to the imagination.

Concerning paysites, doesn't it make sense to investigate what you're promoting? If, for example, the site in question has a great tour but the content inside fails to live up to the hype, isn't it better to not promote such sites and avoid the negative reputation received for marketing low quality goods?

Fisty
|rasta|

I agree with ya! There is WAY too much free porn out there and I'm not just talking the free sites and TGPs. A surfer, if they have some sort of searching abilities, can find all the porn they could ever want and not pay a cent.

Now, on the paying side... I have done many porn site reviews and I have to say a vast majority of them shouldn't call themselves paysites. From lack of content to crappy members' areas... it is no wonder people don't trust the Adult Industry as a whole. There are webmasters out there who are slapping 100 pictures or so together and calling it a paysite, charging 39.95 a month. It is truley sad.

If I promote something, I make damned sure it would be something I wouldn't mind paying for.

Just my day after Turkey day, I'm full on leftovers, ramblings :)

[plateman]

I would SAy to much free stuff

I to was a porn surfer but never hit the jack pot of free porn till i started doing web sites and found the best free porn link lists and tpgs and movies clips are getting popular and most people are not going to sign up when they can watch 15 free clips even though they are short..

and the traffic thieves are going to keep making the video clips longer and longer till nobody signs up then we will think why ?

tgps should all have 10 pics max not 15 next they will want 20
because the more free shit the tpgs and link lists give out the more traffic they will get and the small % of sign ups will be had by the owners of the tpgs and link lists because you and I know that there shit comes first and that is why I am starting a link list

My 2 cents

[thrillho]

Hey all. Just thought I'd offer my experience with this question--though it's only about 11 months worth of experience : )
I spent plenty of time looking for a sponsor with something unique--that didn't look like all the others within a niche. I still promote and make some money from some of the biggies, but my most consistent converter is a smaller site with exclusive content and an obvious attention to detail that, if rebills are any indication, keeps members very happy. I don't have huge traffic numbers, but this site and a couple of others keep that CCBill check coming just about every week. And I still take time to look around for new sponsors that seem to understand what makes a site stand out and keep people interested. Of course, I still haven't been able to quit the day job : )

[thrillho]

Oh yeah, one other big thing about this sponsor--he let's me make my own banners. I've found that to be extremely beneficial. Not too many seem to be keen on letting us do our own promo design for their sites (understandably wanting to have some quality control), but, if you're allowed and have some graphic design ability, it really can make a difference.
Incidentally, the sponsor I mention isn't taking new affiliates now--I promise I'm not just being greedy by not sharing my little golden (well, high quality brass) egg.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by plateman
hey digibucks do u have free content to promote your sites and what is it converting at

thanks

We have a lot of free content plateman, in fact we just put up lot more this last week, and our sites are going way beyond our expectations on conversions. We already knew a couple of them did well because they were personal paysites of ours and have been doing consistantly well over the years.

If you're not signed up with digibucks yet here's a link for you http://www.digibucks.com go and sign up, things are really rockin for us :)

[plateman]

That sounds good I will join soon..

I just joined extreme and will do some sites with them and give your program try

I just started in this biz a couple months ago so I am a little short on traffic now but I plan on building more free sites and in between them i started a link list that is on the net but is under construction ..

thanks have a nice one

[Extreme John]

Originally posted by thrillho
Oh yeah, one other big thing about this sponsor--he let's me make my own banners. I've found that to be extremely beneficial. Not too many seem to be keen on letting us do our own promo design for their sites (understandably wanting to have some quality control), but, if you're allowed and have some graphic design ability, it really can make a difference.
Incidentally, the sponsor I mention isn't taking new affiliates now--I promise I'm not just being greedy by not sharing my little golden (well, high quality brass) egg.

This is putting it lightly and 100% correct. The fact is the harder and more Boundryless people think, the better their results, ofcourse all of this takes some time and some skill, which only makes sence, Barry Bonds is the All Time Homerun Champion because he got lucky once or twice swinging the bat, he did all of the things he needed to do to increase his ability. Create your own tours, see if you can get additionl info from the sponbsor or even a pass into the affiliate area, if your traffic is up and you have a good gameplan see if the sponsor will allow you to download and tag your own images or movies for galleries (this generates EXCELLENT results), create your own banners, link to join pages, spend time marketing your galleries and sites properly. I think more so today than in the past because of the huge influx of Hosted Sites & Hosted Galleries, someone that spends the time doing the above has a huge advantage and sales potential, because everyone is using the promo tools that make life easier, EVERYONE which means harder conversion numbers and less sales accross the board. We have affiliates that use Hosted Galleries & Hosted Sites, they send 3x the traffic and generate 1/3 of the money that an affiliate that creates their own tours, galleries, sites etc. Working hard will make a differance, but may not be overnight.

[NotThatKevin]

I've found that you have good and bad cycles all the time and I've never been able to pin point it to anything in particulare LOL

We have 14 sites for the price of one and of the 14 I've found that the my exclusive ones do the best. On two of my exclusives we shoot requests for the members and they love it. They do more promotion for these sites to their friends and chat boards than we do :)

The strange thing is that I have one site which has half exclusive and this one does extremely well compared to the exclusive ones. It is a uniform and costume niche.

[Extreme John]

Yeah I agree with that Kevin, mainly because it's still pretty much a Micro niche.

[NotThatKevin]

Extreme John my partner Collin kept sending me all these sets of girls in uniforms and I left them one side because I was more interested in Billie and Mica's content. Then one day I thought I may as well use it as a filler for the current members I already had and didn't think it would be popular at all. When the sales started I was amazed and called my partner at the studio and told him to shoot more content LOL.

I know it was a strange way to start a pay site but hey I didn't think it was popular at all. Never to old to learn :)

[Cleo]

Last month turned out to be a pretty decent month for me after all. Especially when I consider the fact that I was busy with one of my other businesses and couldn't spend as much time building and submitting as I would have liked to.

Yeah I do very well with the uniform niche. Seems surfers like their babes dressed in silly clothing so that they can watch them take it slowly off. ;)

|bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna|

[Extreme John]

Nah Kevin not that strange at all to be honest, we have started plenty of sites like that in the past and im sure many other sponsors have as well.

[BigJohn]

Originally posted by NotThatKevin
I've found that you have good and bad cycles all the time and I've never been able to pin point it to anything in particulare LOL

We have 14 sites for the price of one and of the 14 I've found that the my exclusive ones do the best. On two of my exclusives we shoot requests for the members and they love it. They do more promotion for these sites to their friends and chat boards than we do :)

The strange thing is that I have one site which has half exclusive and this one does extremely well compared to the exclusive ones. It is a uniform and costume niche.

I have a uniform/costume niche site that's just about half exclusive. It was my first site and even without promoting it much well, it still did pretty well. Now that I'm starting to promote it it's starting to climb up the charts. Not a bad niche at all.
|ufo|
-BigJohn

[Tommy]

I remember when I first opened my uniforms cat

Greenie said i was crazy, it was to small of a niche and I would never get any submits for it

ha

[NotThatKevin]

I like the micro niches as I'm sure everbody else does :) We had a member on Billie Wests site that wanted a shoot of her wearing diapers and when Collin told me this I was totaly against it (stupid Me)

Well he did the shoot and within a week our sales increased and we had these new members asking for more diaper shoots. To cut a long story short we started diaper-girls and this is by far the easiest converting site for us. I only promote it about every 3 weeks yest sales roll in every day.

We also started a free site with pics, movies and forums and in about 6 months have over 5,000 members. I find in these micro niches their is a lot of advertisng done by the members on Yahoo/Google forums.

[Greenguy]

Looks who's talking, Mr I Only Have 18 Categories |bananna|

[NotThatKevin]

LOL Greenie was trying to keep you out of it Tommy ;)

[Tommy]

I am gonna open latinas and big tits very soon

hey what time is that radio thingy tomorrow
and i need the details

[Tommy]

Greenie is always the first guy to say

I am making nice money doin this
you should do this

[Greenguy]

You'd be wearing diamonds as big as horse balls if you took some of my advice 2 years ago :)

I'll call you tomorrow with details on the radio show - but make sure your ass is home at 8 PM tomorrow night :)

[plateman]

I start some good threads LOL

I Hope All you link list people list my link list

I got 40 categories Ha Ha with no traffic Beat That one LOL

Diapers Shit i think I will use myself for pic content on a free site

[Tommy]

8 pm, no problem

[Kush]

Originally posted by Greenguy
You'd be wearing diamonds as big as horse balls if you took some of my advice 2 years ago :)

I'll call you tomorrow with details on the radio show - but make sure your ass is home at 8 PM tomorrow night :)

So I'm guessing this is the Greenwhich Mean Time, yes?

|jester| |greenguy|

[Extreme John]

Originally posted by NotThatKevin
I like the micro niches as I'm sure everbody else does :) We had a member on Billie Wests site that wanted a shoot of her wearing diapers and when Collin told me this I was totaly against it (stupid Me)

Well he did the shoot and within a week our sales increased and we had these new members asking for more diaper shoots. To cut a long story short we started diaper-girls and this is by far the easiest converting site for us. I only promote it about every 3 weeks yest sales roll in every day.

We also started a free site with pics, movies and forums and in about 6 months have over 5,000 members. I find in these micro niches their is a lot of advertisng done by the members on Yahoo/Google forums.

Dont give out too much info, theres an old saying about those loose lips :) Hahaha.

Jeeeezzzz GG & Tommy get a room. Although I would like some Diamonds the size of horse balls myself, those would be worth some loot.