How many of you read your acceptance/rejection notices?

[Useless]

I'm looking for a show of hands. |waves|

I realize that many of you submit all over the place and you've grown accustom to receiving the same old boring form letters and trashing them immediately because they are always the same thing. And I know you could give a shit less about what small list owners have to say (I don't necessarily blame you ;) ), but we are the ones who have the time to tell you what you are doing wrong. We tell you when (and often why) you are getting rejected. Take the time to scroll quickly through those emails, even if it's an acceptance. I often warn people that I'm seeing the same template too often or shit like that. Plus, I include pics of my wife pulling a train. OK, I don't do that, but ya never know.

[ponygirl]

|hello| me, me!

lol - I did at the beginning because I sucked & the rejections told me why so I could fix it :D

I do now because I send them out myself and it pisses me off to no end when I see someone submitting 5 more sites with the same problem I told them about.

Reading acceptance emails is good because some LLs will put comments in to warn of a potential problem or category change. I fixed a fuck up this way just recently that I would have never known about if I didn't read the acceptance email.

Reading rejection emails is good because I like to know when I fuck up & why :D

UW - maybe if you put like a prize or something in a random number of acceptances people would look at them more ;)

Ponygirl

[sue-fl]

I always read all of mine. When I do get a decline e-mail I pay attention. I figure if they took the time to tell me whats wrong with, then it's worth fixing to resubmit it!

Hmm UW haven't got one of those pictures yet! Maybe if I offer naked pics of myself in my acceptance e-mails I'll get more submits?? :D :D

[Torn Rose]

Judging from all the rejection letters I have sent and the same people making the same mistakes keep submitting, I would say 1% actually read a rejection email.

[ponygirl]

Hmm UW haven't got one of those pictures yet! Maybe if I offer naked pics of myself in my acceptance e-mails I'll get more submits?? :D :D

LOL - hey that was an ok site you submitted - here's a nipple, next time try harder
:D

[ArtWilliams]

I read them for 2 reasons:

1. I appreciate knowing when I get listed. Beats searching through the link link.
2. I want to improve any site that gets rejected.

Cheers,

---art

[Greenguy]

I don't think anyone reads them - I've been sending them when I reject sites over at Amateur Nipples & based on the repeat submits with the same problems, I'm almost tempted to just stop sending them.

Just look at that thread I started for Amateur Nipples - one question in the last 2 months & I've rejected A LOT of submits, some of them even had the "please contact the webmaster" reason.

No one reads the rules, no one reads the rejection emails, no one cares |cry|

[MrMaryLou]

No one reads the rules, no one reads the rejection emails, no one cares |cry| Sad but so true :(

[rscott]

It's rare that I get one, it seems I don't get listed. GG LOR is one, I've not heard anything about my last 2 submits at LOR and their not listed.

http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_bodyshot/1/
http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_banana/1/

Part of the problem is I don't know how long I should wait till I ask. UW was behind at F Earls', I didn't know, so on one of my submits I asked what the problem was. He had just recently listed the sites in question, about 10 days after I sub'd them. So no problem.

So how long do you wait so you don't feel stupid?

[RedCherry]

I don't always read the accept letters, but I do note in subject line who sent them, but I DO always read the rejection letters. I too make stupid ass mistakes, and want to learn what I need to change so I don't have to go through it next time.

Your poll her is going to be skewed, most of us that take the time to post on a board about "link lists and getting listed" are also the same ones that are going to take the time to read those letters.

It is the 100 other guys that MadHatter finally bans because they make the same mistake after writing them over and over that you should be asking, lol.

[cybersexhound]

I always read mine. It really helps when webmasters take out the time to let you know why you are rejected. I dont always correct the mistake on the site rejected but I do keep it in mind for future sites. I think that webmasters taking out the time to tell me why I have been rejected is really helping me better the quality in my work and realy appreciate it.

[Preacher]

My script allows users to turn on or off accept/decline notifications. The majority of my submitters have the notifications set to off.

[MrYum]

I absolutely always read rejection mails...although I haven't seen one in quite a while...knock on wood :)

Acceptance mails...unless the subject line lets me know there's something other than 'you're listed' in the mail...nope, don't usually read those.

Then, there are those sites that send out mails with an ambiguous subject line. Most of those are sites I know quite well and that have always listed my stuff. I still tend to spot check those for anything unusual.

[RedCherry]

No one reads the rules, no one reads the rejection emails, no one cares |cry|

Or we read SOME of the rules, and miss others. I saw your rule about FPA's:

... - I have a 17 in. monitor & am set at 1024x768, so now you know my limits)
and read right over the has to look good in 800x600, just had it set in my head that if it looked good in 1024, it was ok. I'm glad I asked on my one site in another thread, never would have realized that was what was getting me rejected. Sometimes, I feel like an idiot. |banghead|

[Useless]

So how long do you wait so you don't feel stupid?I would say that 3-4 days is a fair grace period, but you need to keep in mind that it only applies to a handful of popular lists. Many, many lists only update sporadically. Plus you've got guys like Richard who is famous for a 3 month wait for free sites. And then you can toss in the fact that some lists review based on the needs of the list. They pick and choose what they need to list today (to fill certain categories) by sifting through many days of submissions. It doesn't mean that the sites the reviewer chose to skip today won't get listed. It means they won't get listed today. The assumption that every list clears their queue everyday is majorally false.
No one reads the rules, no one reads the rejection emails, no one caresIt's the not caring that hurts.

[Preacher]

It's the not caring that hurts.
I still care Useless! |lovers|

[msanchez]

I always read the rejection emails and hardly ever read the acceptance. Once I see accepted in the subject I know mission accomplished

[MeatPounder]

I always read carefully the rejections, and scan through the submital thank you and the acceptance.
The reason I scan the submital acceptance as many times there confirmation links on it...one tgp has that at the very bottom of a long long message...lol

Hell the rejection you sent on one site to me showed an error in firefox I fixed right away.
I had a nested table that was forcing my main table too large...IE compensated for it so I missed it, but when you told me the page scrolled sideways I knew you review in fire fox and found in that browser the nested table took priority.I always check in 5 browsers but that site I had tweaked the recip table right before submittal and only rechecked in IE.

[2msacras]

I read through all my rejection slips..because I like to find out what stupid error I made today...the only rejection slips I hate are the ones from a few tgps that are just a list of most popular mistakes...which I usually don't make.

[natalie]

I don't send rejection ones anymore (unless its a simple mistake from someone I know), definitely never for not reading rules. I got sick of seeing the mistakes over and over and getting abused. Every now and then I switch it the wrong way and send them by accident.

[Surfn]

I only got rejections from one site...that eventually banned me. Tons of different reasons by this one reviewer :(

I don't send anything from my sites. If they want to know I have a link to this board/forum or they can email me :)

[th3g4me]

I read rejection letters to see what I did wrong.

I do not like these letters. They make me feel bad.

[RobUK]

I always read rejection mails - I like to know what I screwed up today, if only so I can screw up something different tomorrow :D

Seriously, feedback on what I'm doing wrong is always very much appreciated. Acceptance mails I just glance at - I've never yet seen one say anything significant other than "you're accepted".

The points about length of backlogs are well made, though. I've not had time to build or submit any sites in a few weeks due to some family commitments, but I'm still getting a fairly steady stream of acceptance mails for sites I submitted four months ago. Of course, I'm happy to be approved there at all, but if I'd been building sites all this time instead of doing family stuff I would have built a fair few sites by now that I simply wouldn't have submitted to those lists because I figured they were either dead or didn't like the sites I made.

With that in mind, I think it's always good for a list to send out acceptance / rejection mails. Sure, some folks might ignore them, but for the rest of us its a helpful indication of what's working and what isn't.

Rob.

[Cleo]

I send them out sometimes.
Regular submitter who just screws up code or something.
I like the content or the design of the site but has a rule problem.

If I send out more then two or three rejections for the same issues I delete their account. These days I'm more keeping a good list rather than a ban list since I'm by account only. It's unbelievable what I get each week as samples asking for an account.

[Linkster]

Im real easy - I always send out "received your link request" emails - just to let the submitter know that the submit worked. I never send out rejections unless its something that the submitter could fix easily, obviously just missed something, but never, never, never do I send out rejections for people that dont read the rules first - I did for a long time, and after 80% bounced, and the others never replyed or just kept submitting the same shit - I stopped. Now I just hit the ban button whenever I see that the submitter didnt read the rules - to the tune of at least 50-80 submitters a day.

[MrYum]

Im real easy - I always send out "received your link request" emails - just to let the submitter know that the submit worked. I never send out rejections unless its something that the submitter could fix easily, obviously just missed something, but never, never, never do I send out rejections for people that dont read the rules first - I did for a long time, and after 80% bounced, and the others never replyed or just kept submitting the same shit - I stopped. Now I just hit the ban button whenever I see that the submitter didnt read the rules - to the tune of at least 50-80 submitters a day.
Yea, it's fuckin sad Linkster.

My list doesn't get a huge number of submissions. But, it's downright amazing how many crap submissions I get daily.

A few sites/day that are nothing more than entry/main pages linked to sponsor galleries. Throw in the free hosts, sub-domains, blind links...it gets ugly quick.

I'm still in the nice guy stage...sending out rejections with reasons. And those same sites just keep on comin. I've pretty much been forced to start blocking some submitters |dizzy|

[juggernaut]

I always read both. I pay more attention to the rejects (thank god have not gotten to many (3 up til now) but I dont submit all over.) For me its a matter of not getting black listed. I have my own server and cant afford my subnets getting blocked. I check that weekly. When I joined here, I learned that everyone works hard and for me its just a matter of trying to make the other guys job a little easier. I read all the rules, if I have a question about one I ask before submitting. I have to say that being selective on who I submit to, reading their rules and sticking to them I think has gotten me better traffic. I tried the auto submit thing but seemed most of my traffic was from places that we all know have no way of paying for anything. I have one site that I use for autosubmitting and that traffic is now used for better things being its crap. BTW, for those of you who have wondered where i have been. Father in law finnaly went home after 40 days. Thank god...

[Halfdeck]

If I get a rejection email, I assume the LL wants to list my site but I made some stupid error somewhere. So I definitely read those.

As for acceptance letters, I usually don't read those.

[Mateusz]

Take the time to scroll quickly through those emails, even if it's an acceptance. I often warn people that I'm seeing the same template too often or shit like that. Plus, I include pics of my wife pulling a train. OK, I don't do that, but ya never know. I do it myself and think its good habbit to change email's title if site got accepted but there are still some comments included. To be honest I never read acceprance emails but alwyas read and comply asap to comments in rejection emails.

[Useless]

A lot of times, people will ask questions in the comments box, or make some funny little remark. I get called a 'filthy fuck' pretty often.:) So now I'm wondering if they ever see my witty replies.

[neveremail]

I always check my rejections - I have them go to a speciall folder in Ouotlook Express. I then use that folder to make a list of all the bastards who rejected me so I can get them later! You hear that UW!! Your on my list! :)

Sometimes i think i miss some of the rejection emails if they dont have the word rejection or declined in the subject. But if I see it I read it and if its not clear why I got rejected I will usually ask so I can make changes later.

I dont usually read the approval emails because they always tend to say the same thing "your link was approved and will be added to the directory on the next rebuild" and "Javes.com has approved the following freesite for inclusion because your so fucking cool"
I usually make a mental note of who is accepting me though by seeing who they are from.

[MrYum]

Yea, looks like most of us do about the same. Acceptance mails, unless the subject line gives a clue of new info, are generally not read.

So UW, we love to read your stuff bud...but, give us something in the subject line to let us know there's some witty diatribe in the mail and it'll get read. Even if it's to day...'Read This You Fucktard!" :D

[Jel]

I read both :)

[Useless]

I think I'm going to change my email subject line for acceptance and rejection letters to "Important Note from Danger Dave".

[ponygirl]

I think I'm going to change my email subject line for acceptance and rejection letters to "Important Note from Danger Dave".

LOL - that would work better than naked pics, if you ask me! |thumb

not that naked pics would be bad...but damn, I've just seen so MANY of them :D

[MrYum]

LOL - that would work better than naked pics, if you ask me! |thumb

not that naked pics would be bad...but damn, I've just seen so MANY of them :D
As long as it's not naked pics of UW! Cuz then I'd have to down the server...re-format...and start over :D

Now...naked pics of Ponygirl...I'd open THAT mail! hubba hubba :D

[msanchez]

now that I think about this a little more I do check acceptance mails from lists that take a while to review because I like to see how much review lag there is.

[Kay]

I read acceptance and rejection emails... I like to know what I did wrong if I made a mistype or something...

As for sending them out, all Certified sign ups get an automatic acceptance or rejection email... and when I reject someone I often send a personal note letting them know what the problem was since that's not part of the automated response. I don't know if anyone reads them but I care and want to help get folks listed. :)

[CatsEye]

I read 'em; some do have confirmation links in them too. Haven't gotten many rejection notices so far, but they've been appreciated both for the time it took to write and send, and the critique in helping me learn what I did wrong! Heck, I often re-scan the LL rules even when it says "last update to rules Oct 2004" as I go along submitting, just in case they've added something new and didn't change their update date.

[Surfn]

I often re-scan the LL rules even when it says "last update to rules Oct 2004" as I go along submitting, just in case they've added something new and didn't change their update date.
That happens frequently :)

[koalat]

I read both.

I pay closer attention to the declines, as I want to know where I went wrong so that I never make the same mistake again... It's really helpful to get those emails. :D

[JohnnyR]

Same as everyone. Thoroughly examine the rejection ones, act like a prick and email back even if the guy said "find me on gg&j" :D and quiclky scan over the accepted ones but that's also because I don't like having unread messages in my inbox.

[PhoenixBlue]

I always read them and very much appreciate those rejection emails that specify why it was rejected. I keep track of freesites I've built, who they were submitted to, accepted by, rejected by and why in my database. If I've submitted more than one freesite in a particular niche to a LL and they don't send acceptance/rejection email, even though my stats may show traffic from that LL's niche page, I have no idea which freesite is generating the traffic.

[wesley]

I use to send out rejections with a reason why, but after several replied to just argue about the reasons I gave up.

oh and when I submit I never trust the "you have been listed" replies as I have found many that never really listed any sites, hell a few didn't even have the link lists any more but were still sending out you were listed lol

[Useless]

I use to send out rejections with a reason why, but after several replied to just argue about the reasons I gave up.That's why I'm special. I don't mind discussing why chose to reject someone's site, even if I have a pretty lame reason. ;) I won't do it via email though. If they want to reproach me or argue their point, they've got be willing to do it on the board. Keeps everyone honest. I send out a lot of rejections, but very few even ask for further details or let me know if I'm wrong about some assumption I've made.

Which reminds me - I've sent out a bunch of rejections this week with the reason 'Autosubmitted' and not single submitter has spoken up to deny it. Very sad.

[f69j69b]

Plus, I include pics of my wife pulling a train.

Damn UW your wife must be incredibly strong

[pornhitzman]

I read both accept/reject mails. I really want to know who lists my sites and not. I hope to see more LLs send out mails.

[Jan Barnes]

I like reading both rejection and acceptance emails. The former I learn from, while the acceptance emails put a smile on my face. Then again, I do not submit very often.

[Useless]

Damn UW your wife must be incredibly strong :D Thick thighs.

[japamor]

I always read every acceptance and rejection Email. Obviously I don't like getting rejected but how else can you learn?
The only thing that pisses me off is when the rejection is unnecessarily rude. This is very rare and I just stop submitting to that LL. |thumb

[furrygirl]

I don't do much TGP submission, but I always read whatever notifications I get back from them.

[Blue Max]

I read both acceptance and rejection letters. I recently received my first
rejection letter and replied to the webmaster
regarding the problem -- he was very
pleased that I had even bothered to
read my email! I thought everyone did,
but apparently not.

I like to know where I've been listed if
my submission is accepted, and to learn
from my errors if my site was rejected.

Additionally, as I am a newbie at building
and submitting freesites, acceptance/rejection emails provide me with a way to get to know the people
behind the linklists -- that would be
you guys! |waves|

Blue Max |snail

[Robbo]

I always read the rejections if I get one. There has been some helpful advice on them. Then save all as a backup of record I submitted there if ever needed. You never know when you`ll have to resubmit for something simple or whatever. And the acceptace emails sometimes contain additional correspondence, comments and site update info.