PenisBot & Wetplace: New rule

[kit]

Reciprocal number restrictions
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Many link sites order webmasters to use reciprocal links (looking like link-farms) with 4 or even more links leading to the link site. We stand against those starwars and will not accept submissions that have more than 2 (two) different links per reciprocal block. Examples:

absolutelyfreeporn.net (10 links)
onlybestsex.com (4 links)

Read this topic, this is our future if it couldn't stop:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm

[Pentarh]

Agree

[RedCherry]

Reciprocal number restrictions
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Many link sites order webmasters to use reciprocal links (looking like link-farms) with 4 or even more links leading to the link site. We stand against those starwars and will not accept submissions that have more than 2 (two) different links per reciprocal block. Examples:

absolutelyfreeporn.net (10 links)
onlybestsex.com (4 links)

Read this topic, this is our future if it couldn't stop:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm

Good idea, I think I will drop mine to 2 I did have 3 on red cherry, I'm going to delete the 3rd now. Don't want that happening to me either. :(

[Pedronas]

I agree of course

[kit]

Thank you Virginia!
I'm very serious about http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm
It can happen with us if we couldn't stop linkfarming process.

[RedCherry]

Thank you Virginia!
I'm very serious about http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm
It can happen with us if we couldn't stop linkfarming process.


You don't have to convince me, I'm the person who made a page interlinking all my sites, and putting it on every domain I owned. (this was 4 years ago) and watched about 75% of my domains get banned off google overnight.

Some came back, others never did. Anything that looks iffy now, I will RUN to change it.

[SI]

Good move kit. Someone of the big guys should try to stop this link-farm madness and you the first one. I think this effort will end in success if another big and not so big owners will do the same. Owners and webmasters, everyone will wins on it.

[Greenguy]

kit - any chance you can just post the info instead of links to a paid members board?

[RedCherry]

in a nutshell a lot of directories got banned off google, these are non-adult webmasters, and some had sites that had been directories for years, and watched their sites get dropped.

I've been a member of that board for years, I just read the first few pages, but that is the short one, hopefully Kit will post more up on the details.

[Greenguy]

RedCherry - I like ya, you have a lot of potential as far as being one of the good people on this board.
Please, for the love of |buddy| clean up your sig file :D

[Preacher]

kit - any chance you can just post the info instead of links to a paid members board?
Hmmm, that's the second time I've seen you reply that you can't see the thread, weird thing is I can read it just fine and I'm not a member? Not that I have the time to read a 58 page thread dating back to July 28th mind you. ;)

-Preacher

[RedCherry]

RedCherry - I like ya, you have a lot of potential as far as being one of the good people on this board.
Please, for the love of |buddy| clean up your sig file :D

What is wrong with it? I need to read more carefully. :(

[Greenguy]

MML gave me his un/pw - 59 pages my ass.

If someone can just quote from where the Google employee posted, then that's all the info I'd need |thumb

[Greenguy]

What is wrong with it? I need to read more carefully. :(Keep it 80 or under (you were well over 100 the last 2 times)

[mb]

I agree with this 100% and will begin declining all free sites that list a recip that has more than two links on it.

Thanks for posting this, Kit.

[RedCherry]

Is this better?

[Greenguy]

Much better - thank you :)

[kit]

WebmasterWorld have only one forum for paid members, it's a "Supporters forum".
This thread posted in public accessed area:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm
and counts over 20 pages. I juct can't post it all here ;-)

In short: Google start to penalize directories using overoprimization or reciprocal tricks. Also they implemented content duplicate filters and it's also against directories.

[RedCherry]

Much better - thank you :)


np, my SEO comes out when I link to my sites I tend to put spider food in the anchor text, lol

[Yahook]

I agree with you Kit. I can add - I will not accept sites which contains too big recip links.

[Yahook]

For those who doesn't know what linklists I have ;)

My linklists are:

http://www.hqpornlinks.com/
http://www.fuckingbeaver.com/

Also I reanimated my old linklist http://www.teensex4you.com/

And I have some small linklists - about 4, I will not post urls now ;)

[RedCherry]

Got a reply from G-support--
"Thank you for your note. We understand that you're concerned about your site, www.------.com. Unfortunately, we are unable to send personal responses to all of the requests we receive to review individual website content.

Certain actions such as buying or selling links to increase a site's PageRank value or cloaking - writing text in such a way that it can be seen by search engines but not by users - can result in penalization. Please review our quality guidelines at http:// www. google .com/webmasters/ guidelines.html for more information. If you identify problems with your website and make the changes necessary to comply with these guidelines, please do not hesitate to contact us.

We are sorry that we cannot provide individual assistance at this time.

Regards,
The Google Team"

My site was not a directory. It *was* the recipient of a site wide link on another banned site. Perhaps the filter penalized both the "sellers" of links and the "buyers" of same. In my case, these were two sites I owned each with unrelated, non-duplicate content, so it was natural to link from one site to the other. No links were bought or sold (sic)

Here was one post on that thread that someone got a reply from google. FYI

[Preacher]

I agree with you Kit. I can add - I will not accept sites which contains too big recip links.
How big is too big?

This is one of the reasons I think it would be great if every linklist could standardize the size of their recips. Like if everyone agreed on 150x70 or something. It would make the recip tables look so much nicer.

I know it's a pipe dream, but a boy has to have his dreams... |monkey

[RedCherry]

How big is too big?

This is one of the reasons I think it would be great if every linklist could standardize the size of their recips. Like if everyone agreed on 150x70 or something. It would make the recip tables look so much nicer.

I know it's a pipe dream, but a boy has to have his dreams... |monkey

Thats why I don't care if people change my links to match the site, and make all the other links for the other sites the same way. |thumb

I just closed my submits until I can re-do all my recip tables, hopefully will have them back open by this evening.

[RedCherry]

For those who doesn't know what linklists I have ;)

My linklists are:

http://www.hqpornlinks.com/
http://www.fuckingbeaver.com/

Also I reanimated my old linklist http://www.teensex4you.com/

And I have some small linklists - about 4, I will not post urls now ;)


|bow| http://www.hqpornlinks.com/ I love your link list, I get a lot of traffic. :) I didn't know about the others, will add them to my list. |bananna|

[MrYum]

Agreed...two recip links max here too |thumb

I've run across a few lists that were requiring more than two links. Think I only kept a couple of them on my submit list because the owners are friends. Hopefully, all will see this thread and adjust as necessary.

[RawAlex]

findpics.net - exactly two links in a small box. :)

I have a real thing for scrolling marquee stuff... I see those and I want to run away. :)

This should be a note to all link sites: Be tolerant of return links created by end users. You don't want all your return links to be EXACTLY as you dictate, as it really isn't doing you any good. I have never objected to a well crafted and neat return link table for my sites.

Alex

[Iceworld]

I agree too

[PR_Tom]

2 seems more than enough really :) Main site & relevant category page.

[Linkster]

I agree too
__________________
Links On Sex

Hey - you ought to start another linklist called link-on-rama as well

[Iceworld]

Hey - you ought to start another linklist called link-on-rama as well

No, thanks, may be linksforporn ;-)

[Leon]

hmm sounds like i should go and change my recips

[Sexvilly]

very nice kit,

i declined every free site with such recips even before seeing your post.. it's like some ll owners going to fuck others.. no good, no good..


RedCherry,

check PM, pls

[Magnoody]

Agreed |thumb

One more thing is that LL owners should accept custom text recips as I think Google will start seeing those ready made recips as spamming and penalize both fs builders and LL owners. |dizzy|
Custom recips means backlinks with different keywords. |jackinthe

And yes,I know that PenisBot and WetPlace accepts custom recips ;)

[RedCherry]

Agreed |thumb

One more thing is that LL owners should accept custom text recips as I think Google will start seeing those ready made recips as spamming and penalize both fs builders and LL owners. |dizzy|
Custom recips means backlinks with different keywords. |jackinthe

And yes,I know that PenisBot and WetPlace accepts custom recips ;)

I agree I just added a big
We encourage you can change anchor text, as long as it is still relavant to the category you are submitting to.

on my banner page I'm re-doing after seeing your post.

[Yahook]

Thanks RedCherry ;)

It's nice to hear good words about my linklist. I post here rarely because of small ammount of free time, but you can always find me on my message board if you have any questions for me ;)

[JoeBlack]

I agree with rule as well but I will allow 3 links do to the fact that some LLs link to there main page and index page because they link mainly from there main page. So a index link, a main page link where content is and a category link is fine for me. Anymore than that will not be accepted by me.

[Magnoody]

I agree I just added a big
We encourage you can change anchor text, as long as it is still relavant to the category you are submitting to.

on my banner page I'm re-doing after seeing your post.
|bananna|


Google penalizes a site if it is getting links with the same anchor when they exceed certain numbers(ex. 100).
Google removes the penalties when the links exceed a certain number (ex. 10,000)
Google changed those numbers lately and this is why directories are dropping like flies.


|viking|

[MeatPounder]

:( So soo after Emerald just changed her recips at Smut Gremlins and now we cannot submit to Wet Place and PenisBot in the same recip table as Smut Gremlins :(


Well Both PenisBot and Wetplace send fantastic traffic, and SmutGremlins traffic is gold So I guess I just have to rearrange my tables again ...Have to really study the code on these prebuilt recips...

[Leon]

OnlyBestSex has changed the recips from 4 to the standart 2 links
my apologies if it costed any inconvenience for other webmasters, pelase remove from your black list,i am a good guy :)
more info here http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=24805

[Linkster]

Maybe I shouldnt post when I take a shot of good whiskey - but here goes:
This is all a load of crap! That thread on WMW is just a bunch of whiners who dont know the first thing about how Google works blaming their misfortunes on the first thing they could come up with - and then the other people that couldnt explain their drop joined in on the chorus - and theyre all full of shit. The reason they got booted is because theyre all scrapers and cheats that used techniques they had read about on WMW that supposedly got you better rankings instead of just building quality, well thought out sites.

As far as this whole recip issue - it also is a load of crap - although I really dislike the scrolling recips with 20 links in them, Ill be damned if Im going to spend day after day hunting down which LLs are in the recip tables of my submitters (unless its a LL Ive banned and they all know who they are) and counting the number of links they have in the recips - its BS and doesnt make a damn minute difference in SE listings whatsoever.

[RedCherry]

Starting in August, searchenginenews.com has been reporting that sometimes the wrong inbound links can hurt you.

This month in their newsletter they make the comment

"You'll want to avoid letting your incoming link structure get too homogeneous. Incoming links from only one type of site or only to your homepage or all with identical anchor text are telltale clues that could potentially cause a search engine to flag your site for an unnatural link structure."
I have been reading this magazine for years, they do a lot of research on the search engines. Maybe it is all crap, maybe none of us will get burned because we aren't scrapers, but personally I'd rather err on the side of caution, then get tossed out of the SE's. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. Don't plan on doing it again.

And I'm glad you posted Linkster, helps keep it all in perspective, and gets different opinions on the topic. I'm a hell of a lot more sensitive to not pissing off the SE's given my history, so sometimes I over react to possible problems.

[docholly]

*makes note to self*..give Linkster plenty of good whiskey while he's here in vegas and carry a notebook to make SEO notes... |lovers|

[kit]

And yes,I know that PenisBot and WetPlace accepts custom recips ;)
Yes, we like custom recips, I never concerned about recips modification, the only thing I asked for is "Porn".

[BOSS]

Yes, we like custom recips, I never concerned about recips modification, the only thing I asked for is "Porn".

I am confuzed!?!? in my free sites i can only have 2 different LL?

[Linkster]

Boss - nahh - what they are saying is that the recips to LLs you have on your warning page can only have 2 links on each recip - some LLs have come up with recips lately that a huge amount of different link urls embedded in them.

[Emerald]

would like some clarification please.

Are you refering to outgoing URLS on the recips being more than 2 different destinations or in total (doesnt matter where its going just 2 urls)?
Cuz my table does have 5 outgoing links but that is because it is a table with 5 sections but the outgoing links are to only 2 destinations (index & 1 category page)

The 2 samples you showed had 10 & 4 outgoing links but to all different destinations.. I feel mine is not the same case.

If so then when I am reviewing I will count the number of times I see a sponsor link on any given ad (some have 3-4 for one ad) but is counted only as one outgoing link cuz its all one ad apparantly - will have to start to decline those.

If there is a major complaint because i changed my recips I will have to close submissions again till I redo 75 recip tables which took me quite some time to do since I am so html illiterate.

So would the representative of Penisbot (Kit right?) please clarify their stand on this issue.

[Yahook]

I am confuzed!?!? in my free sites i can only have 2 different LL? - You can only have two different links in each recip ;)

[XPorn]

Hi.

I wanna add my thoughts...but need to go to sleep.....so FreeSiteXXX.com and Smutlinks.net will comment soon. ;-)

We agree though....but 2-3 is what we normally allow....more than 3 has been auto-deleted for years....

anyhow....zzzzzzzzzzzzz...and hope to see more of this discussion after football Sunday...

XPorn

[Nuggan]

would like some clarification please.

Are you refering to outgoing URLS on the recips being more than 2 different destinations or in total (doesnt matter where its going just 2 urls)?
Cuz my table does have 5 outgoing links but that is because it is a table with 5 sections but the outgoing links are to only 2 destinations (index & 1 category page)

The 2 samples you showed had 10 & 4 outgoing links but to all different destinations.. I feel mine is not the same case.

If so then when I am reviewing I will count the number of times I see a sponsor link on any given ad (some have 3-4 for one ad) but is counted only as one outgoing link cuz its all one ad apparantly - will have to start to decline those.

If there is a major complaint because i changed my recips I will have to close submissions again till I redo 75 recip tables which took me quite some time to do since I am so html illiterate.

So would the representative of Penisbot (Kit right?) please clarify their stand on this issue.
This is exactly what I would like to know... Is it fine if a recip has more than 2 links linking to max 2 pages.
As for now I'm adding sites with your recip to penisbot - I hope they will be accepted...

[XPorn]

Emerald...

Yours under this new rule is not allowed (as would mine). If in fact this is becomes a new rule.

You have 5 outbound links.

XPorn

[Emerald]

I know how many outbound links I have..

that wasnt my question and I am waiting for Kit to respond since she started this thread. I do have 5 outbound links BUT to only 2 destinations . her 2 samples had 4 and 10 outbound links to 4 & 10 destinations. there is a difference.

[kit]

would like some clarification please.

Are you refering to outgoing URLS on the recips being more than 2 different destinations or in total (doesnt matter where its going just 2 urls)?
Cuz my table does have 5 outgoing links but that is because it is a table with 5 sections but the outgoing links are to only 2 destinations (index & 1 category page)

The 2 samples you showed had 10 & 4 outgoing links but to all different destinations.. I feel mine is not the same case.

If so then when I am reviewing I will count the number of times I see a sponsor link on any given ad (some have 3-4 for one ad) but is counted only as one outgoing link cuz its all one ad apparantly - will have to start to decline those.

If there is a major complaint because i changed my recips I will have to close submissions again till I redo 75 recip tables which took me quite some time to do since I am so html illiterate.

So would the representative of Penisbot (Kit right?) please clarify their stand on this issue.

Hello Emerland. I mean 2 links in total. I can surely tell you, Google don't give you more PR if you will put 5 repeating links leading to couple different pages.

BTW, Why you can't code your reciprocal using two links only?

[kit]

PS. I can easily modify my links for getting 10-15-20 links back from each submission, but I don't want turn good old free sites to the linkfarms having zero value for Google.

The day when link site owners will order webmasters use new linkfarms will be end of LLs. Do you want it?

[ponygirl]

On the recip table that I have PB & WP there are 2 LLs that have 3 outgoing links on the recips - rather than changing my tables around, would these particular LL owners have a problem if I unlinked one if they go to the same page?

also, it would be beneficial to all if we knew which LL owners are going to put this rule in place so us subbers can change things accordingly. I submit to over 100 LLs right now, and to be honest, unless it's outrageous I really don't count if they have 2 or 3 outgoing links. 3 seems to be pretty common.

Thanks,
Ponygirl

btw - I use the LLs recips, not my own text ones.

[sue-fl]

Now I'm totally confused |dizzy| I really don't understand all these posts. So I have to know who runs all the LL's so I don't put them all on one page?

I'm finding it hard enough just to get everyone listed with who they want to be with. I understand the big guys wanting to be listed together, don't have a problem with that at all. But my recipt table is up to 21 now just to keep them all together. Then I have the people you are nice enough to give me partner accounts, they should be listed on a good page also. And of course the smaller link lists who are nice enough to list my sites all the time..it's confusing to me how to please everyone, and give credit to the ones I feel deserve it.

Am I making any sense here? I sure hope so... |dizzy|

[rscott]

This really is getting out of hand and confusing |confused| |confused| for the subers. The LL's are going to have to start telling us who they won't accept on recips with them.

You guys opened this can of worms you need to figure it out. The referance thread http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm that started this thread 2 days was locked on 16 Aug and nothing since that I could find.

I think this is some kind of a kneejerk reaction and somebody needs to get a grip on reality. I looked at a lot of the major LL's PR today and didn't see any problem, but I'm just the new guy. Just need to know the rules. |huh

[Emerald]

Hello Emerland. I mean 2 links in total. I can surely tell you, Google don't give you more PR if you will put 5 repeating links leading to couple different pages.

BTW, Why you can't code your reciprocal using two links only?


The recip table was never made to make google happy or otherwise :)

Can you code 5 boxes on a table recip to be one link? Id be happy to do just that if I could figure out how.

[plateman]

now darn I just read on this thread and noticed I subbed a site with emeralds recip and to penis bot, dont know what to do now..

So is kit saying he wont list any free sites with smut grimlens recip on that free site ?? since there's 5 out going links to her site..

also I been thinking a good while of going to nich recips for my LL..

[Yahook]

Can you code 5 boxes on a table recip to be one link? Id be happy to do just that if I could figure out how.

It's impossible :(

But it's always possible to find alternative way to do something ;)

P.S.: Adult List also agreed with this rule. It's also good linklist.

[BOSS]

now darn I just read on this thread and noticed I subbed a site with emeralds recip and to penis bot, dont know what to do now..

So is kit saying he wont list any free sites with smut grimlens recip on that free site ?? since there's 5 out going links to her site..

also I been thinking a good while of going to nich recips for my LL..

Same here..I also submited to pernus bot with smut gremlins recip
but is smut gremlins one of the recomended sites on PENISBOT it says something like we suggest you submit the following LLs and smutgremlins is there? THis is tricky man :(

Wonder what should I do...the site is still pending..should i Just downsize smutgremlins recip?

[plateman]

Same here..I also submited to pernus bot with smut gremlins recip
but is smut gremlins one of the recomended sites on PENISBOT it says something like we suggest you submit the following LLs and smutgremlins is there? THis is tricky man :(

Wonder what should I do...the site is still pending..should i Just downsize smutgremlins recip?
I think I read in her rules no sites will be listed without the new recips...

[Yahook]

but is smut gremlins one of the recomended sites on PENISBOT it says something like we suggest you submit the following LLs and smutgremlins is there? THis is tricky man

Smut Gremlin is great linklist and Kit and me too respect Emerald very much as a person.

Everything will be ok if the recips will be changed. So I think there are no reason to delete any links from there.

[ponygirl]

well then I think it's up to the LLs to change their recips, it shouldn't fall upon the subbers to figure out who has 2 who has 3 links in their recip tables. I agree with more than 4 but could we just leave the ones with 3? There's a lot of large, well respected lists out there with 3 outgoing links.

just a thought
Ponygirl

[RedCherry]

The recip table was never made to make google happy or otherwise :)

Can you code 5 boxes on a table recip to be one link? Id be happy to do just that if I could figure out how.

Hi Emerald! |waves| Happy Thanksgiving.

I respect and admire you so much, I always had fun every time I was with you too, esp. talking about online gaming, lol.

Could you allow those that want to do the 2 links rule to modify your links, esp. in custom tables, so they make the linklists happy like PenisBot, and let the others use your custom recips? Would save you having to redo all of them again.

Something like this:

<a href="http://www.smutgremlins.com">Smut Gremlins Free Porn</a>
<a href="http://www.smutgremlins.com/porn_for_women.html">For Women</>

Which is what I'd do on a for women site, and put something to that effect in your rules, so people have the choice?

I admit personally, I custom do all my recips now, even for my own sites, because I think it makes the boxes look neater.

[Emerald]

In light of all the hallaboo regarding the recips I have decided to alter mine once again..

Ponygirl offered to recode them all for me (Bless her heart) and hopefully Kit will let a few slide since this rule came into effect almost the same time I redid my whole site - including the recips - perhaps give the subbers a weeks grace period?

In the meantime as RedCherry suggested - go ahead and alter them to 2 links - one being the category linked to the correct cat and the other linked to my index.

It would be a shame if subbers had to choose between one or the other link list because of this new rule (never even occured to me it was a SE spam) I dont pay attention to SE since it would occupy all my time just to keep up with all the changes.

Im really sorry this has caused some submitters extra work .. was never my intention to make my recips be a problem.. I just wanted a "new" look from the old recips - its 5 boxes in the table, which made me have 5 links

I still maintain the stand that it is only 2 links since there is only 2 destinations.

Free site builders often have 3-4 links on one ad and we dont count that as 3 outgoing links! - would hate to see that come up as a new rule.

New recips will be posted soon .. and again thank you Ponygirl for offering to recode them for me :)

Emerald

[plateman]

emerald can I just use two text links till you get them changed ? I got a headach looking at the code :D

[Emerald]

Lmao Plateman .. I got a headache doing the code!!

Go ahead and make custom recips in the meantime.

[plateman]

Thanks |waves|

[Yahook]

I think that the better way to solve this problem for linklist posters is to change recips in their submitters by themselves. When all linklits owners change their recips - linklist posters can take the codes and use new ones.

[RedCherry]

PonyGirl, that was very nice of you! I feel for you, I just changed all mine on both lists, took me forever.

I try hard to read up on SE stuff, mostly from searchenginenews.com I've been subscribing to them for years. They have been talking about inbound links possibly causing problems for the last few months, specifically having too many with the exact same anchor text. I wasn't too concerned with that until I saw the WMW thread.

I agree that some of WMW's webmasters might have gotten nailed for scraping and basically having items on their sites that make it look like they are are using blackhat or greyhat techniques, so they might have been asking for it.

Then again, why risk it? I get a lot of my traffic from Google personally for my link lists, and would like to keep that.

I think if we all changed up our recip text every month or so, or allowed submitters to change it some, we might be better off in the long run. Less red flags, and more keyword terms for you to rank in per page. Just my 2 cents.

[RedCherry]

Just read my new tagline, LMAO

I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES

MadHatter ought to appreciate that.

[MeatPounder]

Emerald one thing you could do is to nest your recip table into another table and use onmousovers and onclick events...though I don't know if any link lists have problems with onclicks.
Then you can just remove all the links in your table except for the niche specific one (In this example the Ebony porn takes you to the niche page) and use the onclick to send to your index.
I did a quick sample here (http://www.meatybabes.com/sgrecip.htm) with the added table with the java events in red in the code

[!stinger]

2 Emerald
Would you mind if I will use recip like this
<table border="1" width="201" bgcolor="008000" bordercolor="FFFF00" bordercolordark="FFFF00" bordercolorlight="FFFF00" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" align="center">
<tr align=center>
<td><a href=http://www.smutgremlins.com style="text-decoration:none;"><font size=2 face=Verdana color=#FFFF33>Smut Gremlins</font></a></td>
</tr><tr bgcolor=#33FF00 align=center>
<td><font size=2 face=Verdana color=green><b>Free Movies, Pics & Vids...</b></font></td>
</tr><tr align=center>
<td><a href=http://www.smutgremlins.com/blowjobs_oral.html style="text-decoration : none;"><font size=2 face=Verdana color=yellow>BLOWJOBS</font></a></td>
</tr></table>

I just edited your standart recip to fit all new standarts on LL's. I think it's nice! |thumb

[MrYum]

Ponygirl...very sweet darlin |thumb

I'll chime in here...I have absolutely no problem with 3 or possibly even 4 if it's a good submitter and/or a link site I recognize. But, the ones that I think are of real concern are the ones using 10+ links in a recip...that's just greedy.

I only have 2 links in my recips on Free Porn Post anyway...all text. Submitters feel free to mod keywords as needed, but please keep the links themselves intact.

[XPorn]

To side with hoes and penisbot....

FreeSiteXXX.com
ThePornCollection.com
Smutlinks.net
PurePornLinks.com
and
GayPervs.com

Will move to 2 outbound links this week and will also no longer accept free sites with recips to other LLs that have more than 2 links to the LL (cat or otherwise).

I'm sure this will take a while for submitters to phase in, so we will not ban or enforce for a small grace period.

Thanks,
XPorn

[Emerald]

MeatPounder: Hmm that seems to work and I will play around with it some .. this might be my solution to maintain my recip table as it was intended. thanks!

!stinger: Im not keen on that recip as it doesnt look like my new recip table at all - use the new recip tables i made but remove 3 outgoing links (keeping one to index and one to category) the free porn on the sides shouldnt be linked.

At least till I get the new one up .. I might just go ahead and use Meatpounders example and start changing them now.

[Nuggan]

Isn't it easier to just remove 3 links? like this: http://www.picprovider.com/gremlin.html ?
I think when some surfer is interested by your moving text and will want to click it he will easily find the link 3mm up or down ;)

[kit]

Thank you guys for understanding my concerns.
I just figure new rule, but actually don't blacklist SmutGremlins, because I'll sure Emerland will change his opinion. I don't want to break good relations with big link sites.

PS. Again: The day when Google decide the entrance page of usual free site looks like link farm, this day will be last for of LL niche. Let's don't approach it itself. ;-)

[Linkster]

kit - Ive posted this elsewhere - but I think that day is already here - I went back to one recip and havent lost any of my category listings in Google - still in the top 10 for almost all of them - and traffic gets better and better all the time from them.
Ive had one single recip for 6 months now and if anything its helped - not hurt

[neveremail]

This is one of those things which is pretty uncertain and many are taking the route of playing it safe, and probably a wise decision.

There has been discussions on this thing for quite a while. Some directories were getting hit a few months ago. No-one was really sure what was happening and some beleived it was a change in the google algorithm which was penalizing some sites it didn't neccessarily intend too. It could also be some of these directories were the linking to scraper sites (not realizing it) as these directories tend to link to other directories and a good percentage mey be scraper like.

As far as i know it has not affected the porn sites. And i would imagine its because they have nothing to do with scraper sites and thats probably what is effecting the mainstream directories.

Also I would think you cant really be penalised for inbound links because otherwise a competitor could just give you thoasands of shitty inbound links and get you suspended, so worrying about making your Recip table variable may not be that important, although there could be some advantage by not keeping them all the same, but I think the act of having category recips does that anyway.

However the link farm point brought up originally I think could be important as you dont want your freesite to look like a link farm and you certainly dont want to link to it if your a LL owner and google might think it is a link farm.

However some of the biggest sites on the net are practically link farms www.weeklybikini.com - the biggest site for bikini porn coming top for many phrases including "bikini" is just one big page of links and so are TGPs, and to a lesser extent link lists themselves. But SEs fucking love them. So i dont think they will be too bothered about a few extra links on a freesite page.

So in all I dont think it is anything to worry about. Its just my opinion on the thing but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

However, It is probably best just to play it safe, just in case. Anyway I think LL owners having excessive amounts of links in their recips is just been greedy. Freesite makers can only have 3 per page yet a LL recip can have 10??? I think keeping it to two makes everyone happy. One link to your main page and one too the category.

No need to be greedy ;)

[selena]

kit - Ive posted this elsewhere - but I think that day is already here - I went back to one recip and havent lost any of my category listings in Google - still in the top 10 for almost all of them - and traffic gets better and better all the time from them.
Ive had one single recip for 6 months now and if anything its helped - not hurt

And submitters the world over thank you for that, Linkster. |thumb

Trust me.

[Magnoody]

or allowed submitters to change it some, we might be better off in the long run. Less red flags, and more keyword terms for you to rank in per page. Just my 2 cents.
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I can't agree more |pink

[DJilla]

Now I'm totally confused |dizzy| I really don't understand all these posts. So I have to know who runs all the LL's so I don't put them all on one page?

I'm finding it hard enough just to get everyone listed with who they want to be with. I understand the big guys wanting to be listed together, don't have a problem with that at all. But my recipt table is up to 21 now just to keep them all together. Then I have the people you are nice enough to give me partner accounts, they should be listed on a good page also. And of course the smaller link lists who are nice enough to list my sites all the time..it's confusing to me how to please everyone, and give credit to the ones I feel deserve it.
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No one said it was going to be easy or even make sense. But, everything you said is probably felt and shared by all the subbers. I certainly agree with you and swore and shook my head when I read this thread.

BUT, the caution displayed over this issue is absolutely correct even if it is a pain. Better to deal with an issue proactively as one never knows when google will lower the boom as they try to become ever more refined in their results.

It is kind of out there for any LL to have more than two links, one to main, one to category. More is just abusing the equation.

Finally, one more reason to build an LL so you can at least have a break once in awhile and be king for a day. IMHO

[MrYum]

Cool...looks like a couple of the lists I was concerned about are going to adapt to the 2 outbound links per recip.

So, I'll jump on board too...2 outbound links max per recip at Free Porn Post. Yipee, something else to watch for during site reviews :D

[Surfn]

Silly is as silly does :D

[JoeBlack]

Resistance Is Futile |ufo|

[ponygirl]

holy crow did this ever catch fire or what :D

well I hope none of you guys mind if I take links out of your tables if you have more than 2. Until everyone gets new recip tables up, I'm just going to yank one if I need to.

btw MrYum, if you need more stuff to look for during reviews, that can be arranged (evil laugh) :D

Ponygirl

[Surfn]

holy crow did this ever catch fire or what :D
Ponygirl
Are you a Wiccan? |dizzy|

[MrYum]

btw MrYum, if you need more stuff to look for during reviews, that can be arranged (evil laugh) :D

Ponygirl
Naughty naughty girl :D

[ponygirl]

wiccan, naughty - geez! oh well, hehe I've been called worse :D

you know, as my final thought on this (hopefully :D) -when I went through my recip tables there were maybe a handfull out of over 100 that had more than 2 outgoing links, and the ones that did didn't have 10 or anything silly like that. I guess I have avoided some LLs because the recip tables are such monstrosities - maybe others have too. IMO, this just makes it fairer for everyone.

Ponygirl

[MadMax]

Look what happens when I don't pay attention for a couple days :D

I will be changing my recips to 2 links as soon as I can get to it. I have never penalized anyone for making custom text only recip tables or dropping one of the links in my recips. I think the custom tables look great as long as they're done right. As long as my links get the same treatment as everyone else's I'm not one to bitch :)

Until I can get into my script and change things around feel free to drop the bottom link from my recips.

That said, the day Google drops all the link lists is the day people start looking for free porn elsewhere. I'll change with the times, even though I think that thread at WMW is a bunch of BS, and my third link is a well targeted link to my sub-directory pages that's increased clicked and SE traffic to all my categories since I began using it about 6 months ago. If anything, this change will cost submitters traffic, IMO.

There's no real difference between a free site that has 6 recips with 3 links each and 9 recips with two links each when the bot is counting them up.

[Linkster]

Mad Max - exactly correct - that thread over on WMW is talking about people that are running directories (not Link lists) that are scraping other directories for their content (like DMOZ for example).
And I totally agree with Google that they need to go away - there is no reason in this world for a site like that to exist - although Google does make some good money off the AdSense attached to those directories :)

Anyone that reacts to that type of thread to change their business plan for their own sites is insane - why mess with success :)

[XPorn]

"Anyone that reacts to that type of thread to change their business plan for their own sites is insane - why mess with success "

true Linkster...but others can effect you in this biz.....

sort of an odd fine line we all walk......

[MrYum]

"Anyone that reacts to that type of thread to change their business plan for their own sites is insane - why mess with success "

true Linkster...but others can effect you in this biz.....

sort of an odd fine line we all walk......
Absolutely true Xporn |thumb

[rscott]

So, since my last 2 subs to both Penisbot and Wetplace aren't in their db's, is it safe to assume they were rejected due to the "more" than 2 outgoings on the recips and it's ok to resub once corrected? or What?

http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_bodyshot/1/
http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_banana/1/


How many other sites rejected for that and didn't send rejection info?

[mOrrI]

10 links in one recip???? ouch...

i think 2 is enough... main site and niche page....

mine is only 1 link :D

[SortLinks]

I agree with this rule. But think that 3 is a resonable ammount. Not much

[SortLinks]

btw on sortlinks soon we will post new recips (they are already done) which will be used along with the old ones

[Rocco]

on onlybestsex.com the recips are already changed: http://onlybestsex.com/linktous.html

I won't decline any sites beeing submitted to that site unless the new recips are not beeing used