good question

[cj]

I've been playing around alot lately trying to make my site very clean. Meaning no banners... But this owning a TGP its almost impossible with webmasters always wanting to put 10 million banners on there submits...

I think a link to the Index page should be fare... so see what i did.. let me know if this is a good, or bad thing...

www.cjspornsite.com

and look at my galleries...

[Greenguy]

Why are you hotlinking the thumbs from other domains & linking to pics on those same domains?

[cj]

Why are you hotlinking the thumbs from other domains & linking to pics on those same domains?

The webmasters who submit are looking for hits, witch i provide. And by "re-modeling" this pages to fit my site, makes it easier for my surfers to surf my site, and tend to bookmark it more. I think we both win. The more hits i get, the more they do.

[Greenguy]

So for letting you link directly to my pics, I get a small text link on the "gallery" page that has the thumbs hosted on my server?

Why would anyone want to do that when there are 1000's of TGP's that would just link to the gallery page on my server & see my ads?

[cj]

So for letting you link directly to my pics, I get a small text link on the "gallery" page that has the thumbs hosted on my server?

Why would anyone want to do that when there are 1000's of TGP's that would just link to the gallery page on my server & see my ads?

My script is going to pull one of your sponsor banners from your page and post it on the new clean and improved gallery.

Would that make it fair?

[cj]

any maybe even add there link to my category pages???

with both would this be fair?

[Chop Smith]

Unless I missed something, I seems you are just admitting to where you stole the content.

[cj]

Unless I missed something, I seems you are just admitting to where you stole the content.

This is how i see it, i want offer hits to the webmasters. By fixing there pages and making is easier for my surfers, i get more hits, more hits for me, more for them.

Maybe be adding one sponsor of theres i can extract from the page as i did the contact, and adding them to my LL part of my site and in the category pages of pics and movies.

We both get what we want... right???

[cj]

with those three things, would this be a good thing???

[Greenguy]

Ok - let's say the content on this "gallery" is mine:
http://cjspornsite.com/gallery.asp?id=4797&title=Wild%20hardcore%20sex%20party%20in%20the%20cocktail%20nigth%20club

On the page that the pics are displayed, there are 17 outgoing links - from top to bottom:
1 link to your site
13 links to sponsors
1 more link to your site
1 link to my domain
1 link to the actual gallery location

Can you explain to me why the webmaster that owns & hosts the content should only get 11.7% of the links, as opposed to 100% of the links if they are on a page on my server?

Personally, I think anyone that lets you do this to their content is a moron.

And please, for the love of |buddy| there is no need to ICQ me your replies after you've posted to the thread - like I said before, I do read this board on a very regular basis.

[cj]

but by adding them to the category and ll part, should make up for it.

[Useless]

Fusker with an innocous link at the bottom of the page.

[cj]

what if i remove all my links... there has to be a way this can work??? or just not do it at all???

[Cleo]

I'm so confused by this. You want to hot link other people's stuff and add your ads to it and you are asking if this is ok???

[cj]

im not looking for stupid awnsers.. i already knew this was kinda stupid, i was just looking for a little help... maybe a way this can work, and if not. I'll put all the galleries back to normal... its that simple... i guess i was just looking for suggestions...

[Greenguy]

It doesn't.

I haven't played with TGP in a long time, but if I remember correctly, you were doing good if 1 out of 100 surfers clicked a sponsor link.

So, based on the number I posted above, out of 1700 hits to my "gallery" (html on your server, pics hotlinked from mine), I'd get 2 - so in order for me to get ONE hit to my sponsor, you'd have to have 85,000 hits to that "gallery" page on your server

That is why it will never be worth the effort.

Don't reinvent the wheel - link to galleries that you like & don't link to the ones that you think are cluttered with ads.

[Jim]

I guess I see what the emai was in regards to. Nevermind...

[Greenguy]

OMG! Did he email you about this thread Jim?

[cj]

as you can tell im very new to this... shouldn't act like little kids and talk shit... but try and help... help me under stand... kinda unreasonable...

[Cleo]

OMG! Did he email you about this thread Jim?
Isn't this CJ from down under who is a woman?

[Useless]

as you can tell im very new to this... shouldn't act like little kids and talk shit... but try and help... help me under stand... kinda unreasonable...CJ, what the fuck? This is NOT how you get help and advice. Would you rather have us tell you that your idea is idiotic, or would you prefer to wait until one your unsuspecting submitters sees what you're up to and plasters your name in every cheaters forum acrossed the land?

[Greenguy]

If anyone is acting like a kid, it's you. You started a thread & then you also felt the need to hit me up on ICQ & email Jim? Jim & I pretty much live here....sorry if I do have to eat & subsequently shit every now & then.

[cj]

i put it back to normal no more hotlinking... ya'll rude though... i won't be comming back...

[Useless]

i put it back to normal no more hotlinking... ya'll rude though... i won't be comming back...Grow up, CJ. Go away and grow up.

[urb]

Hotlinking is considered rude.

In fact, it's considered as theft.

That's why you are getting this reaction CJ.

[Chop Smith]

Rude? For a cheater, you got off light.

[Jim]

CJ
You don't have to go away. As a matter of fact, you seem to have a lot to learn. Stick around and see how it is done.

[Greenguy]

Maybe we should all start to sugar coat things.

Here ya go Useless |flowers|

[Surfn]

I just read this entire thread and here is what I think: |haha

[GunnCat]

I don't mean to make fun, but CJ is an appropriate name!:D
Seriously though CJ, you can hang out and learn some good things here. I just posted last week about how much I have gained by being here, and that's not just blowing smoke. The crowd can be rough sometimes, but if it was in person you'd likely see it's more ball busting than personal attacks. You know, it's hard to translate those things online sometimes man.
Anyhow, your page looks pretty good. Keep going at it man.

[cj]

Thanks GunnCat and Jim,

Useless and all your rude people can learn something from them...I was just looking for feedback not a bashing...

You people need to learn how to be more human, than fuckin dicks...

People like you make GG and JIM's board look very bad...

[cj]

And im not a Cheater, If i didn't know what i was doing was so wrong, thats why i came here and messaged green guy... So i could get feedback, not a bashing... I wont be posting here any more...

I'll stay with electronics, there's more money...

oh yeah, fuck you useless, good name, thats what you are to this board...

[cj]

cancel my account, im out...

i don't like how peeps treat newbies...

thanks though jim :o)

[Tubey]

CJ,
Don't run....Learn....They are only trying to learn what you are doing and pointing out what you are doing wrong and how it is wrong.. if they really wanted to slam ya they would do so on the other boards. If they didn't think you didn't have some worth there wouldn't be other webmasters asking you to stay.

[ecchi]

If you are still around here is something else you should look at on your galleries:
When you say "The Provider is Responsible for 2257 Information, not me!" I don't think this is accurate. As the thumbnails appear on your page I think you are legally obliged to have the 2257 info. By putting this disclaimer on your page you are telling everyone that you do not have it, so are inviting the authorities to prosecute you. If I were you I would drop the disclaimer.

[furrygirl]

I have such a hard-on for gracious exits.

Especially when it takes several "fuck all ya'll, I'm never coming back" posts to pull off.

[Useless]

Useless and all your rude people can learn something from them...I was just looking for feedback not a bashing...

You people need to learn how to be more human, than fuckin dicks...

People like you make GG and JIM's board look very bad...oh yeah, fuck you useless, good name, thats what you are to this board...I'm thinking that the kid doesn't like me...

CJ, you have some major maturing to do. Come back when you're man enough to handle criticism.

[Greenguy]

Somebody needs a hug |assfuck|

Useless - did Jim call & wake you up very early? Or did a cat leave you a mushy present on your pillow? :D

[SirMoby]

OK CJ, I won't be rude.

1. Don't hot link other peoples images because if they're paying for the bandwidth and the time create the galleries then you should be showing thier sales pitch. That's how they pay for things.

2. Change the name of the site. CJ stands for "Circle Jerk" and that means people will be worried about exchanging traffic with you.

3. Learn to accept critism. You came here asking for help and everyone is telling you the same thing in one way or another. DON'T HOT LINK!!!

[cj]

ok how about this, i not only took the content, i took all there sponsors and add them also. And is there sponsor banner is 468 x 60 or 468 x 72 then it will add that too... so they get 100% of the links...

example: http://www.cjspornsite.com/gallery.asp?id=5115&title=Blonde%20girl%20in%20red%20bikini%20exposing%20her%20pink%20pussy

[Lemmy]

You're still hotlinking other people's stuff and showing it out of context.

[SirMoby]

ok how about this, i not only took the content, i took all there sponsors and add them also. And is there sponsor banner is 468 x 60 or 468 x 72 then it will add that too... so they get 100% of the links...

example: http://www.cjspornsite.com/gallery.asp?id=5115&title=Blonde%20girl%20in%20red%20bikini%20exposing%20her%20pink%20pussy
You still don't seem to get it. If the people submitting the sites to you know you're doing this then it's OK otherwise you need to stop doing it.

[ArtWilliams]

ok how about this, i not only took the content, i took all there sponsors and add them also. And is there sponsor banner is 468 x 60 or 468 x 72 then it will add that too... so they get 100% of the links...

example: http://www.cjspornsite.com/gallery.asp?id=5115&title=Blonde%20girl%20in%20red%20bikini%20exposing%20her%20pink%20pussy

Hot linking people's content without their explicit consent is theft nor can you change thier site without their permission. There is no way you can justify it. Plain and simple. ---art

[Surfn]

In your most recent post "Original Gallery and 2257 info can be Found Here." is linked to another gallery. WTF? If it's a 2257 link then use it as that, if it's a gallery link then use it as that. You can't jerk people around like that and expect them to join anything!!

[cj]

people know im doing this because its in my terms witch can be found here(on the submit form): http://www.cjspornsite.com/webmasters/submit.asp

And the 2257 link was messed up because i was fixing some bugs... check it out now...

i see people have there opionions, but every one is different, im sure some wont submit, some will... But now im sure im not doing any thing wrong...

Every one is different, thats the answer...

thanks...

[Lemmy]

If you're going to do it your way no matter what, why did you ask for advice in the first place? Let's hope your server can handle the onrush of submitters.

[Greenguy]

WOW!

Let me make this perfectly clear:

YOU CAN NOT LOAD OTHER PEOPLES IMAGES ONTO YOUR HTML PAGES!

YOU CAN NOT LINK DIRECTLY TO PICS ON OTHER PEOPLES DOMAINS!

It's called "hotlinking" and it is theft.

[Surfn]

I give up |monkey

[Agent]

It removes control over my site and presentation which I enjoy having.

People will not see the amount of traffic hitting their gallery pages. They will only see their click throughs in the sponsor aff. area. The URI string may not show accurately in some their stats as the refferer because of your page's (unmasked) dynamic nature. The webmasters will not get SE value which a URI hardlink to their gallery provides. If the sponsor goes under/fucks affiliates over and the webmaster wants to pull links as far as I know they can't unless you do it for them. You'll get hit by autosubmitters eventually. The shitheads who blindly autosubmit will see you hotlinking might fire off some nasty emails your way.

The consistant presentation is a good idea, some people will like that. But when you throw other people's resources into the mix I dont see it flying well.

[SirMoby]

There's something that you just don't seem to understand. People DO NOT WANT HITS as you keep saying. They want PAGE VIEWS of the sales pitch they've created in the form of galleries.

Peoepl will realise that you're hot linking thier images and then block your site. One day you'll have 5,000 images linked and the next they'll all come up 404. Your surfers will hate, the webmasters submitting to you will hate you and you will get very few link exchanges.

Do as you wish but you asked for help. We're all telling you that what you are doing will NOT work. Your site will NOT grow. Surfers will NOT keep returning.

Try it for a year and then come back and tell us if it worked or not. Of course you could always take the advice of people that have been in the business for many years.

[Wazza]

You're clearly talented

You're also trying to reinvent the wheel

The wheel is good - leave it be ;)

[Ramster]

CJ
The way you are doing it now there isn't any links to your site so why bother? Just link to their gallery now, you may as well.

Another option is to open the gallery in a frame with ALL their ads and full gallery being seen. There is a site that does this now. But stop the hotlinking, it really is the wrong way to get things going.

[mikeyddddd]

sorry if I do have to eat & subsequently shit every now & then.

Jesus H Christ! Next thing you know you'll be taking time off to sleep. If you have time to eat, shit and sleep you are not working hard enough. You're never going to get anywhere in this business if you keep fucking off.

[ecchi]

I usually work while I am eating, so yeah, why you got to take time off for this thing ? :D

[pornoTGB]

Keep cool guys! Written stuff can be missunderstood too fast :-/
I'm the same opinion as most webmasters: hotlinking is not ok.
BUT: CJ is not simply hotlinking the pictures.. I took a look at the gallery from his last post and I must say that he just redesigned the galleries and gave it a personal touch. from what I can see he does not try to hide the source of the galleries at all.
The "first version" of his gallery-script did not have enough sponsor's info on it.. but he did take your advice..

he also is a pretty new member and I think its always harder for new members to take harsh criticism

lets all stay friends :-) we're supposed to be a community.. right?