2006 Internext and AVN running at the same time.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Just got an email from Rose Travel which said:
NEW THIS YEAR!

INTERNEXT & ADULT ENTERTAINMENT EXPO at the same time!

Internext January 5 - 7, 2006 (Sands Expo)

Adult Entertainment Expo January 5 - 8, 2006 (Sands Expo)

The AVN Awards show will be Saturday January 7, 2006 (Venetian)

So they are overlapping, as well as moving Internext back to the Venetian.

Good? Bad? You don't give a rats ass?

Your thoughts on this?

[Surfn]

I think it will help but I'm still not going.

[Cleo]

I hate Vegas, not planing on going at this time.

[Ramster]

I think rooms will be expensive and hard to come by. I bet the CES is the same weekend, always is.

[Toby]

Yes CES is also running those same dates. Vegas will be a huge mass of people doing nothing but waiting in line. Getting a cab or a "quick" bite to eat will be impossible.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Since the news was from Rose Travel, I got the room rate sheet as well. They are expensive. Even with the "discount".

From 1/4-1/8 they are running $279/nt for a 1 bed room.

2 Queens runs $299 for that same period.

3 night minimum.

I'm planning on going for about 5 days this time, but I'm not sure if I am going to stay at Venetian again or not.

If you are not staying there, where are you staying?

[Jim]

Still not going to any AVN event. Change the dates and locations and I will be there :)

[Torn Rose]

Depends on what Purdue does in Football, if they make it to a BCS game like they should we are going to that, and then may go to Vegas for a few days.

[SirMoby]

Internext focuses on business to business and Adult Entertainment Expo draws a lot of consumers. Basically there will be a huge invasion of consumers at the show and many companies will try to be hosting booths and events for 2 completely different crowds.

I think this is a bad thing and last year the show was small and very poorly organised. There was a 3 hour wait to register just because they hired 3 people to work the registration instead of 6.

I think in 2 years the AVN shows will be considered the smaller shows and other better organized shows will take their place.

[Useless]

I'm still researching to find out how the fine for sleeping in a shopping cart on the strip compares to the price for a hotel stay 40 miles away. I plan on going, but I also planned on being an attorney. So, as I told my wife on our wedding day - expect nothing and hope for very little.

[Greenguy]

I'll be there, but only because I'm addicted to gambling & my room & food will be comp'd at The Venetian :D

[Kinky]

I'll be there, but only because I'm addicted to gambling & my room & food will be comp'd at The Venetian :D
I'm addicted to gambling so much that I am going to Vegas for the Miami internext show :D

[Lunatic]

I'm not going because I don't have any money. Plus I think they should have the January Internext in Florida and the August one in Vegas. In January Miami is usually warmer than Vegas, and in August Vegas doesn't get hurricanes and has no humidity.

[Dr Bizzaro]

I'll be there, but only because I'm addicted to gambling & my room & food will be comp'd at The Venetian :D

Really? Damn. In that case why not get the presidential suite, and I'll stay in the other bedroom.

That works for me.

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[Ramster]

I usually stay at Harrahs but they are showing $270.00 a night. If I have to pay $1500 for hotel alone to go I may skip it. This is getting ridiculas going to shows now. Hotel badge, and flight and it's $2500 out of pocket before doing a damn thing. :(

[Greenguy]

Really? Damn. In that case why not get the presidential suite, and I'll stay in the other bedroom.

That works for me.

|thumbI was actually thinking about bumping up to the next level of rooms since the last 4 times I went they paid for everything because of my gambling problem :D

[Dr Bizzaro]

I was actually thinking about bumping up to the next level of rooms since the last 4 times I went they paid for everything because of my gambling problem :D


I'll take that as a Yes, roomie.....

[SirMoby]

I'm not going because I don't have any money. Plus I think they should have the January Internext in Florida and the August one in Vegas. In January Miami is usually warmer than Vegas, and in August Vegas doesn't get hurricanes and has no humidity.
They can get the Florida hotel rooms in August for next to nothing and resell them to us for full price so they're not going to change that.

Most rooms in Vegas this year will be either $300+ a night after tax or you'll be sleeping with cock roaches. This is just getting silly.

[emmanuelle]

For those concerned about the prices, keep in mind that even the least expensive room at the Venetian will sleep 6 comfortably. Also, there is always the TI across the road which is about $75/night but you will add a few kilometers of walking to your day.

[Lunatic]

It seems like the problem with costs is the adult internet industry is made up of quite a few sole proprietors who don't have the money or can't justify spending the money to go to a show. In other industries the attendees have the show admission, hotel, airfare, and other expenses covered by their employer. I would imagine the same is true for the companies that go to Internext.

[Greenguy]

I just got off the phone with my casino rep at the Venetian - basic rooms thru them are $5-600 a night, so if you plan on staying at the Venetian & you don't gamble too much, book thru the travel agent (and I fucking hate saying that because I assume AVN is in with them somehow)

Jan 3-9 - my room is held :D

*EDIT*
For those of you that didn't get a copy of the hotel rates, it's attached :)

[emmanuelle]

We've all been where we couldn't really afford it, however it has always been a priority for me. I attended my first show before I opened my first site. It was a great education. While I learn a little less at each subsequent show, the networking and relationship building becomes more important to one's ongoing success.


It seems like the problem with costs is the adult internet industry is made up of quite a few sole proprietors who don't have the money or can't justify spending the money to go to a show. In other industries the attendees have the show admission, hotel, airfare, and other expenses covered by their employer. I would imagine the same is true for the companies that go to Internext.

[Useless]

One word - Travelocity.com - or is that two words? I don't think .com can be considered a word so let's call it 1 word. ;) Judging by the package rates I'm seeing there, I can afford to go as long as I'm not on the strip. Ofcourse, I still need to factor in the badge, hookers, food, hookers, miscellaneous shit, and hookers.

For me, it comes down to is a single question. Is it worth the expense? Everyone says to go for connections and networking, then they say that the show is becoming shit for business. I just want to meet some you silly bastards. It might be cheaper to just stalk you than to attend the show.

[Torn Rose]

Useless, cabs are a big factor that you MUST count on, unless you stay in your hotel.

Trust me, just because it says it's a close walk in no way makes it a close walk, and if you share a cab more then once, count on getting stiffed at least once. I've been in a few limos with 15 to 20 "well known names" and ended up being 1 of 4 people to pay.

Also, if you don’t want to pay the Venetian, I suggest TI since it is “close” and has a walk way to the Venetian, but as pointed out; it is a long ass walk regardless.

[Useless]

Also, if you don’t want to pay the Venetian, I suggest TI since it is “close” and has a walk way to the Venetian, but as pointed out; it is a long ass walk regardless.I'd love to pay for the Venetian, but I don't think my wife is going to give that kind of money. ;)

BTW, what's the TI? I've never been to Vegas. Never really wanted to go. I'm more of lazy river kind of guy.

[Torn Rose]

use to be Treasure Island, but I think they got rid of the Pirate ship and now call it TI

[Torn Rose]

http://www.treasureisland.com/

[madleinx]

Wow. Sounds crowded...and too rich for my blood. |shocking| Guess it's good that I wasn't planning to go anyway. ;)

Do any of y'all go to the Phoenix show? I've never been to any shows....Are some better than others?

[docholly]

Maybe I should open "Goodhead B & B" that week.. 300 a night and i have 2 spare bedrooms.. and McDonalds is open here 24/7 for breakfast.. |headbang|

Actually the Treasure Island is a good choice for the location..

The monorail has actually operated for the last 6 months so we may be ok on that. Also the new Wynn has opened directly across Spring Mt. from the Sands Expo/Venetian so that will take some of the CES crowd.

If 2006 January is anything like this years, you'll need a boat not a taxi to get down the strip.

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[SirMoby]

Sometimes it's better to NOT be within walking distance. A cab will not take you across the street even if it is 3/4 of a mile by walkway and side walk but will take you 4 miles to another hotel. The cab ride is almost faster then the walk as well.

[plateman]

I dont know I may go if I can make more money this fall and maybe find someone to bunk with, I dont mind maybe 100 - 175 a night but fuck 300 plus and I too like to gamble lately... been playing the slots about a hour away out of state..

[Greenguy]

TI is right across the street from the Venetian & there is a nice little walkway over the strip. Harrah's is next door & is an easy walk as well. Anything else is a hike.

[emmanuelle]

Well there is the Imperial Palace at about $50/night, but the corridors smell like urine

[Ramster]

Imperial Palace is next door but yes I heard bad things about it. LOL

AVN is making this show a show for sponsors to go and meet and party together instead of with webmasters. Regular webmasters CANNOT afford to go which is where the money is made for the sponsors. Too bad!!!!!!!!!!

:(

[Useless]

Well there is the Imperial Palace at about $50/night, but the corridors smell like urineWell I don't want to go there. I don't need anything reminding me of home when I'm in Vegas.

[Kenny B!]

I’m not too happy with the shows being on the same dates, I really enjoyed hitting the CES show after Internext, it made it worth while to stay those couple extra days to check out all the new electronics and gadgets. I don’t expect the folks at AVN to work around my schedule but they have some pretty big exhibitors that buy booth space at both shows, I would imagine it’s going to be pain for them to have 2 booths and rotate their talent between both shows.

I have a feeling this is going to be a sign of things to come. As smaller shows become more predominant the January Internext will be merged with the Adult Entertainment Expo and we’ll have the August show as the “Internet Based” trade show.

As for hotels to stay in while in Vegas I have stayed at quite a few hotels, just to try a new place and see what they have to offer, and they all offer a bed and ugly carpet lol! I recommend staying at TI like everyone else has mentioned, it’s only a few minute walk to the Venetian.

[Linkster]

For those considering Treasure Isle their cheapest room for the same dates is $269 per night for a king bed room for the 4th through the 8th nights - cheaper on other dates

[emmanuelle]

Last year's overlap seemed to work out fine, although Internext lost out on some bigger exhibitors like Wicked who were forced to choose where their booth would be most productive. I did find that since I was attending the trade-only day (the overlapped day) at AEE, that my Internext experience felt rushed.
While I appreciate smaller hotel bills due to a shorter stay; I have mixed feelings about the overlap. There isn't enough time for everything in the condensed version, and our show is going to end up lost in the shuffle since AEE is certainly more profitable for AVN.
Finally, we will end up overwhelmed with consumer types on our floor, diluting the ROI for booth owners; as well as educating far too many surfers about the backend of our industry.

[SirMoby]

we’ll have the August show as the “Internet Based” trade show.

I predict that next year Florida will not be the 2nd largest North American show. People will continue to go to Vegas because it is Vegas but the show will continue to loose webmasters every year.

Other sites like Phoenix that focus on the customer (us) will soon become the big shows that you must attend.

[Dr Bizzaro]

I predict that next year Florida will not be the 2nd largest North American show. People will continue to go to Vegas because it is Vegas but the show will continue to loose webmasters every year.

Other sites like Phoenix that focus on the customer (us) will soon become the big shows that you must attend.

I think your right about that.

Last year it cost me just as much to go to Miami, as it did to go to Vegas. And Miami is no Vegas....
I was not happy with the changes they made to the Miami show. (Plus I was invited elsewhere for the weekend. |thumb )

It will be interesting to hear what the response is from the webmasters who are going.

[Trev]

AVN is making this show a show for sponsors to go and meet and party together instead of with webmasters. Regular webmasters CANNOT afford to go which is where the money is made for the sponsors. Too bad!!!!!!!!!!

:(
And they'll all be trying to impress each other by swinging the biggest dick, so the parties shold be over the top. (just remember to shave very closely ;) )

[emmanuelle]

Does this mean you want to go? We have room for you |egg|



And they'll all be trying to impress each other by swinging the biggest dick, so the parties shold be over the top. (just remember to shave very closely ;) )

[Jim]

I wonder how much money AVN is saving by having both shows at the same time. I know how much they will be passing on to the webmaster....none.

[Trev]

Does this mean you want to go? We have room for you |egg|
oh yeah... I'm a real party animal. |pink

[Greenguy]

I can see them offering some sort of combo pass for both shows, knowing that most people will not go to both & they will make an extra $100 or so of everyone that buys one.

[Lunatic]

AVN is making this show a show for sponsors to go and meet and party together instead of with webmasters. Regular webmasters CANNOT afford to go which is where the money is made for the sponsors. Too bad!!!!!!!!!!

:(Exactly my thoughts :) Since the majority of the webmasters are regular webmasters, the sponsors and other companies are losing out on a good source of input on how they can improve their business models.

[SirMoby]

I'm waiting for them to announce that you'll have to have a badge to even enter the Venetian. It's funny but I called the Westin in Florida and they don't know they're going to be closed to the public :)

[Dr Bizzaro]

I can see them offering some sort of combo pass for both shows, knowing that most people will not go to both & they will make an extra $100 or so of everyone that buys one.

Stop giving them ideas on how to make more money off us....

|hammer

[Toby]

AVN's first priority has always been adult videos, and second has been sponsor programs. They don't even have an understanding of the independent adult webmasters role in the industry. Until some major sponsors notice that they're spending big bucks to set up booths and just talk amongst themselves will anything get done about it.

Maybe they can send FSC the same wake-up call. Neither organization seems to understand that for every sponsor and video producer there are thousands of independent adult webmasters.

[Surfn]

This past Vegas show I left after two days because the layout was so incredibly poor and there was no attempt to move people through the badge process in a timely fashion.

Still I did make a some new contacts in those few days I've consulted with a couple of sponsors here in the U.S. and One sponsor from the U.K. all their programs are/were good they were trying to tweak them even better.

I told myself when I left the last show in January that it was indeed my last show. And it is. As more and more of us experienced webmasters start dropping out of attending who will these sponsors turn to? I don't know that answer. As a businesses owner I do know that want the broadest input possible before arriving at a decision.

I believe the regional gathering will grow to be more effective. And so will the alternative gatherings, someone I know (lol) is planing a gathering in Virgin Islands on the same date as the Vegas show for webmasters who want to network ;)

Sorry about the long post but I can see the hand writing on the wall and if you can't...well you can't.

[Tart]

Maybe I should open "Goodhead B & B" that week.. 300 a night and i have 2 spare bedrooms.. and McDonalds is open here 24/7 for breakfast.. |headbang|



Hey now.. don't be trying to rent my room out! |cry|

[Greenguy]

Maybe I should open "Goodhead B & B" that week.. 300 a night and i have 2 spare bedrooms.. and McDonalds is open here 24/7 for breakfast.. |headbang| Tart's quoting you did give me an idea.....I'd be interested in co-sponsoring some sort of low-class event if you're interested in organizing it (since you're a local - lol)

I'm sure a couple of board members would chip in as well :)

[Chop Smith]

I'm sure a couple of board members would chip in as well :)
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[emmanuelle]

I'm all ears :-)

[docholly]

Tart's quoting you did give me an idea.....I'd be interested in co-sponsoring some sort of low-class event if you're interested in organizing it (since you're a local - lol)

I'm sure a couple of board members would chip in as well :)

I'm the Low-Class Queen.. |king|

Sure.. no problemo.. i live to serve my fellow W/M.

Just let me know how low class you want to go and i'll hook it up..

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[Greenguy]

I'm thinking a small friends only kinda thing...and oddly enough, most of my friends have more than 500 posts on this board :D

We could always pretend that we're "big" & make up VIP passes & have a secret location & a non-existant limo services |bananna|

Let's start with this...you know of a placve we could have a party - bar? I'd guess about 100 people (but we can put out feelers & invite lists on the board once we get moving)

[docholly]

BILFI hunter on the case!!

|cool|




bilfi=bars i'd love to fuck in. |dizzy|

[EmporerEJ]

Stupidest dumbass thing to do....
I like the old way, shows overlap, but it allowed to to get around to all three shows, including CES.
Dumbass move.
But if they are in the same hall, that will at least be an improvement. might make it more "palatable."

Love vegas...would like to LIVE in vegas....

[EmporerEJ]

Last year's overlap seemed to work out fine, although Internext lost out on some bigger exhibitors like Wicked who were forced to choose where their booth would be most productive. I did find that since I was attending the trade-only day (the overlapped day) at AEE, that my Internext experience felt rushed.
While I appreciate smaller hotel bills due to a shorter stay; I have mixed feelings about the overlap. There isn't enough time for everything in the condensed version, and our show is going to end up lost in the shuffle since AEE is certainly more profitable for AVN.
Finally, we will end up overwhelmed with consumer types on our floor, diluting the ROI for booth owners; as well as educating far too many surfers about the backend of our industry.

So perfectly said, I think it needs to be posted again.

[Simon]

Finally, we will end up overwhelmed with consumer types on our floor, diluting the ROI for booth owners; as well as educating far too many surfers about the backend of our industry.I don't think enough thought is being put into preventing this from happening (even by most of us here). But this could indeed be a problem if what it creates is an even larger class of surfers who will (almost) never pay for porn.

[Dr Bizzaro]

For those considering Treasure Isle their cheapest room for the same dates is $269 per night for a king bed room for the 4th through the 8th nights - cheaper on other dates

So for the extra $10-$20/night, you can just stary at the Venetion.


On a side note, I just booked my room at the Venetian.

One of the biggest problems of not staying there, was people who didn't, had trouble getting past security and up to the smaller private parties.
I remember various people having to "call up" and have someone come down to get them. If no one came (ahem) then they were SOL.

[Greenguy]

I've been asking for 3 cards when I check in so that I can give the extra one to people that stay at other hotels :)

[Greenguy]

docholly & I are in negotiations |thumb

[DannyCox]

And so will the alternative gatherings, someone I know (lol) is planing a gathering in Virgin Islands on the same date as the Vegas show for webmasters who want to network ;)

Details! I want details! The VI's are one of our second homes. Been sailing those waters for years |pirate

[docholly]

docholly & I are in negotiations |thumb

|greenguy|
The "Art" of Deal!!

[Linkster]

I guess this has been out for a while so I figure it wont hurt to post it - wondering how much stuff will change now that both the Xbiz awards and the Players Ball are going to be at WA in November instead of Vegas in Jan

[Torn Rose]

I was dead set on Vegas this year... now I am thinking of once again not going.

[Erick G]

They need to have an Internext in New York CIty or near NYC
I hate flying that far:(

[Dr Bizzaro]

I was dead set on Vegas this year... now I am thinking of once again not going.


That's ok, we didn't miss you last year.

[MrMaryLou]

Torn wasn't there??????

[SirMoby]

MML, if you're head is going to be there then I'm bringing my man boobs :)

[MrMaryLou]

MML, if you're head is going to be there then I'm bringing my man boobs :)MMM Man boobs only are allowed once :D

[RawAlex]

Last year's overlap seemed to work out fine, although Internext lost out on some bigger exhibitors like Wicked who were forced to choose where their booth would be most productive. I did find that since I was attending the trade-only day (the overlapped day) at AEE, that my Internext experience felt rushed.
While I appreciate smaller hotel bills due to a shorter stay; I have mixed feelings about the overlap. There isn't enough time for everything in the condensed version, and our show is going to end up lost in the shuffle since AEE is certainly more profitable for AVN.
Finally, we will end up overwhelmed with consumer types on our floor, diluting the ROI for booth owners; as well as educating far too many surfers about the backend of our industry.

From my understanding, this will NOT be the case.

The droolers (the public that attends the video show) will not be allowed into the internext show.

So I don't think your concerns are well founded.

Alex

[Linkster]

Alex - that is also the impression I got when talking with Aly - although the shows will be next to each other with the possibility of an open door between the floors - there would be some security to prevent the non-pass people getting into the Internext show, while still allowing the cross business flow

[Ramster]

Just so everyone knows I booked yesterday and the first "block" of rooms is sold out already. Can you believe that? Total crap. ANV sucks!

Now the rooms are $319 a night. I'm booked thankfully before they go to $500. LOL

Rose Tours still has rooms at the Flamingo for $169 and Imperial Palace still has rooms I hear too.

[Greenguy]

You know what's a wonderful thing about the hotel rooms going so quickly? I can't book a flight on Southwest (the only direct flight from Buffalo to Vegas) for another month. So I'll be at the mercy of the airline as far as the price, as I've already booked my room & pretty much have to travel on those dates.

[Useless]

I plan on stowing away in FoxyAngel's suitcase. |badidea|

[Dr Bizzaro]

I got our hotel and flight booked! |bananna|


Looking forward to this one......

[Useless]

OK, I need an Internext for Cocksuckers/Dummies lesson. I'm getting ready to book my room, so...I plan on arriving on the 4th. Is this a good plan, or should I not bother showing my ugly face until the 5th?

I'm not getting my flight yet, but when I do, should I get out of Vegas as early as possible, or is there something I should stick around for on the 7th?

Much love |blowkiss|

[docholly]

Cum Early
Stay Late
See the Action..

|cool|

[Greenguy]

OK, I need an Internext for Cocksuckers/Dummies lesson....I'd say that most will arrive on the 4th & leave late on the 7th or early on the 8th.

[emmanuelle]

From my understanding, this will NOT be the case.

The droolers (the public that attends the video show) will not be allowed into the internext show.

So I don't think your concerns are well founded.

Alex


No credentials are required to purchase a pass. The Vegas show has lots of non-industry types cruising the floor every year anyway. $150 is nothing in Vegas- it's not stopping people from indulging their curiosities, nor is AVN likely to refuse their money.

[Dr Bizzaro]

OK, I need an Internext for Cocksuckers/Dummies lesson. I'm getting ready to book my room, so...I plan on arriving on the 4th. Is this a good plan, or should I not bother showing my ugly face until the 5th?

I'm not getting my flight yet, but when I do, should I get out of Vegas as early as possible, or is there something I should stick around for on the 7th?

Much love |blowkiss|

Stay as long as you can afford. There will be shit to do.

I'll be there till the 9th!

[RawAlex]

No credentials are required to purchase a pass. The Vegas show has lots of non-industry types cruising the floor every year anyway. $150 is nothing in Vegas- it's not stopping people from indulging their curiosities, nor is AVN likely to refuse their money.

... and exactly how is this different from any other year? This is one of the reasons many companies don't have open parties anymore, because people were figuring out that for $150, they could "party like pornstars". Probably 1/4 of the people at internext vegas are either not in the business or own a single website / hosted free site / hosted gallery.

Has been like that for years... might actually be better this year because for $25, they can get a drooler pass to the video show and leave us alone.

Alex

[EmporerEJ]

... and exactly how is this different from any other year?

Has been like that for years... might actually be better this year because for $25, they can get a drooler pass to the video show and leave us alone.

Alex

To Quote: .. and exactly how is this different from any other year?

The bitch of it this year is all three shows are on the same days.....and some of us need to cover all of them. The droolers could always get a $25 pass.
Can't tell you how many times people tried to buy my pass(es).

[RawAlex]

Yup - they try to buy your pass because they think they might meet one pornstar - and the price is $150.

Or they can get assured access to a whole pile of porn babes for $25.

Our passes will be worthless to them this time unless they want to party.

Internet show runs THursday to Saturday. Video show runs though Sunday, as does CES. Pick your poison, one day for each one.

Good luck.

Alex