2257???

[Jim]

Now, correct me if I am wrong but only the members of The Free Speech Coalition protected by the delay? Where are all the non member arrests?

Just curious...has anyone even been looked at by the law?

[Useless]

I don't know if this counts, but I was arrested just the other day for tea-bagging a lady in the produce section of the grocery store.

[Cleo]

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?

[Jim]

I don't think they feel silly yet. But after a few more months, they might.

Fear Mongers have no place in this business. And I think once this is done and over, we should let them know that.

[Gnus]

Well scare tactics are a very useful marketing tool. I think the FSC did a great job on that.

Gary

[plateman]

you know I joined the FSC on that sat for 50.00 and never got a confirm email that I was a member - I gotta check my CC statement to see if it went through and I asked if the card got rejected would I hear something and they said yes..

also I havent seen or heard anything new about the hearings on it..

[plateman]

oh and fuck the people that pressured others into joining them...

[SirMoby]

I was hoping the FSC would be a point of solidarity in this business but they did not seem to make any effort in pulling the industry together. Perhaps one day some organization will be able to pull more then a handful of webmasters together but unfortunately that day has not come.

Maybe one day the Society Of Greater Buffalo Webmasters will be able to do something :)

[binxgook]

Fuck 'em

[sue-fl]

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?

That would be me Cleo.... :( Wish I hadn't but I was torn between what to do and what not to do. I'm at that point once again. I have so much content that I had purchased when I first started. No ids or blacked out ones. Call me chicken but not sure if i should or shouldn't use them. Guess I should and not worry about it right??..... :D

[Surfn]

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again |jackinthe

[MeatPounder]

Well I was in between anyways...just restarting out so I left the few I had up but haven't done a damn thing in a month.
I'm still not sure how this is all going to end up, but the fact that not much has seemed to happen is a negligeble factor knowing how slow the goverment is to act.

So rather then jumping in to unknown waters, I have slowly obtained all the documentation I could on my owned content...tossed a lot of it that seems never to be fully documented, changed webhosts from my several over to co-location and am working now on the transfers and getting set up there. No rush for me.

It has changed my outlook on tgps as a factor in my new biz plan, for I really believe the day of US webmasters being a force in that segment is passed...along with most sponsor content for the lil guys.

All in all this happened at a good time for me as it wasn't to hard to take a step back and re-evaluate where I wanted to go, and begin to move forward from here.

[Greenguy]

I don't feel silly for redirecting every free site & gallery as well as editing every hub & link lists that I own - it's actually a big weight off my shoulders knowing that the odds of them looking at me are very slim now.

I have the feeling that they are probably not going after anyone because of what the FSC did with the injunction & they are waiting 3 weeks (or whenever the next thing is) to see what their next step will be as well.

For all you people that left your non 2257 compliant content up - all the power to ya! If this doesn't go thru, you can sit here all day with "I told you so" type posts.

But if it does go thru....... :)

[ladydesigner]

Instead of getting crazy and pulling all my free sites that I didn't have proper documentation for, I've just been busy changing the picture sets on one site a day with content I have model ID's for. Then I resubmit them to places that didn't take them the first time, places I didn't submit to, or that rotated them off their lists ages ago. It's the best I can do with so many sites to fix.

[Mr. Blue]

I don't feel silly for removing non-compliant content. The fact remains that the porn industry will always be a target...so, now I make sure I'm a hard target, not a soft one. When I buy content I get all the documentation, nothing blacked out, and the only way the Feds in the future can piss on me is if they want you to supply the dental records of each model. :D

One thing I think we all learned is there was a lot of people screwing over webmasters during this...hopefully we won't have short-term memory here and remember all the fucksticks that gave us trouble and tried to nickel and dime us to death.

[Robbo]

I`ve pulled stuff that would present a problem. I was also able to obtain what I needed to save alot of important stuff. I also hope I would never be judged on actions taken under the threat of incarceration. After all they very well could under the current laws though I don`t see it happening. I just have too much to risk in a wife and two little ones underfoot so...

But it is a great opportunity to dig into alot of old stuff and streamline a bit.

[Xmovies]

I pulled all free sites and hard banners, for the same risk factors many have stated. Most was sponsor content anyways. Lost a lot of traffic, but it only affected me. I havent ever done tpg or submitting to others.
Would I have to worry about just pages with text and links? I just don't trust them one bit, to leave em an opening even on a questionable banner, plus I cannot keep records or a full-time record place.
This is such a mess, and I am not even sure if I can have porn sites without content without keeping any records at all.
I want absolutely no risk of a visit at all.
Sorry, feels like I live in WWII Germany with a crooked and really evil fake religious twist.

[tickler]

Now, correct me if I am wrong but only the members of The Free Speech Coalition protected by the delay? Where are all the non member arrests?
While they could go after the other folks, any judge would most likely put any case off, until after the current outstanding injuntion is processed.

No use tying up the courts,and wasting taxpayers money until there is a ruling.

[Robbo]

Yeah I really did`nt expect to see any but just in case I did`nt want my name on the list! You never know when they launch one of those "sweeps".

[digart]

I temporarily removed any content on my server which sucks but I kept the links, put links to my content providers on the index. ya know the purpose of the law!

If that's not good enough then I guess I don't understand the law. Like anyone does anyway.
I was inspired to put an explanation of a graphic I posted previously and is on a couple of my sites. It reads,
after you click on the graphic

GRAPHIC EXPLANATION
Question: Hey what do you mean by this primitive looking graphic?
Answer: I made it because I was reading alot about all the rules and regulations being implimented these days in some parts of the world, actually alot of places, and thought how it reminded me of when caveman drew sexually explicit images on rocks thousands of years ago and when people found them, they were banned in certain art museums and how way back then, they were controversal because, for some reason people trip on stuff like that.
Kind of like a bird with a mirror in their cage, it's a image that reminds them of something personal or interesting so they peck at it, they can't tell the difference between the image in the mirror and a actual bird. That's the best I can explain it.
I personally view any digital image including video as a representation of life and not life it's self. I can tell the difference between reality and a recreation either a painting, digital picture, or video. Can you?
That's all, use this graphic freely if you want, link if you like, just my opinion.

Ps.Even if you were paralized you would still have the power to look away. As far as kids go, they have parents which if they are smart enough to have kids and buy a computer for them, then again in my opinion they could take an hour out of their day to learn how to make it safe for them.
How about an isp that is censored from the ground up that advertises the fact that all there content is kid safe 100 percent. Seems like if there was that much demand something like that would be profitable, but you know that isn't the case because the internet was and is built on porn.
So insted of all you censor minded people trying to control what everbody else looks at and trying to make the worlds inhabitants their kids. Learn to control what comes into your space by controling your input lines, not yours and everybody elses at the same time. It is technically possible and a little more fair.
Pss. Alot of TV Commercials and other stuff offends me but I'm not writting the tv stations and writting my elected officials to take them off! I just gag and look the other way or change the channel.
webmaster DL

My opinion just waiting to see what all the clever minds cum up with in the final determination! hopefully honest hardworking people don't get punished for
a bunch of bullshit red tape that arn't cpers.
graphic must be seen to fully understand the commnets I just made
http://www.eroticdvd.com/SEXUALLY_EXPLICIT_CAVE_PAINTING.gif

[Cleo]

I temporarily removed any content on my server which sucks but I kept the links,
So you would be one of the people that is the reason that I've spent the last two weeks with a week still to go looking for cocksucking cunts that left their pages up and just pulled their content instead of pulling everything and letting it go 404 so that our bots would catch it.

My fleas invade your crotch and your breath smell like camel farts.

|devil|

(actually I can edit but would never go back and change something that I've posted. Anyway it's pretty funny and I'm going to go borrow flea powder from one of my cats now.) |potleaf|

[GunnCat]

My fleas invade your crotch and your breath smell like camel farts.

|devil|

You have fleas Cleo? |dizzy|

[Trev]

You have fleas Cleo? |dizzy|
Damn, and she can't edit that either!

[emmanuelle]

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again |jackinthe

Isn't that a little harsh? I don't think that anyone can really be blamed- with so much misinformation, armchair lawyers, general paranoia, and a basic need to keep one's ass out of jail; a little empathy goes a long way.

[Surfn]

Isn't that a little harsh? I don't think that anyone can really be blamed- with so much misinformation, armchair lawyers, general paranoia, and a basic need to keep one's ass out of jail; a little empathy goes a long way.In my opinion NO is isn't harsh. All the people that let me know they were taking things down until the dust settled are welcomed back. :)

[Trev]

(actually I can edit but would never go back and change something that I've posted. Anyway it's pretty funny and I'm going to go borrow flea powder from one of my cats now.) |potleaf|
lol.. I forgot who I was talking about. |thumb

[ArtWilliams]

I was abused by the Feds yesterday. The FBI came, tied me up and had their way with me using a night stick. No wait, that was my wife dressed in a cop's costume. Never mind!

[Cleo]

lol.. I forgot who I was talking about. |thumb
Yeah and be nice to me or I'll send my fleas after you.

[madleinx]

That the delay only protects FSC members is nonsense, IMHO. I know that's what the agreement says (and DOJ would've looked pretty silly if they hadn't thrown that clause in), but in practical terms, any defense lawyer with half a brain would have a field day arguing equal protection under the law if someone were to be prosecuted at this point in time. The DOJ will wait until some of the issues are decided in court to avoid any precedence (not in their favor) that might be set before the injunction hearing. I think that's why they agreed to deal in the first place.

So you would be one of the people that is the reason that I've spent the last two weeks with a week still to go looking for cocksucking cunts that left their pages up and just pulled their content instead of pulling everything and letting it go 404 so that our bots would catch it.

My fleas invade your crotch and your breath smell like camel farts.

Wow....Cleo, you seriously have a way with words! |haha Thanks for the giggle....

[Useless]

It's amazing how a serious thread about me tea-bagging a woman in the produce section of a grocery store has been reduced to a joke about Cleo having fleas. :D

[Cleo]

Primates show affection by picking bugs off of each other and eating them. Besides helping to rid each other of parasites it is an important source of protein.

[Trev]

That's what I tried to tell her... but she wasn't buying it.

[Cleo]

I've had crabs down there. That was no fun at all and people look at you funny when you walk around scratching your twat.

[nekrom]

I havn't changed jack. They can fly downunder and gently tounge my moist anus for the paperwork.

-N

[Trev]

|bow| leaving that one for UW lol |bow|

oh.... bad timing.. I was talking about Cleo's post, not nekron's |shocking|

[Useless]

Years ago, a buddy called me up all panicked, begging me to come to his apartment. I get there and he confides in me that he just go crabs from his girlfriend. Well duh! That wench was more of a slut than my sister. What did he expect? So anyway, I asked him why the hell I needed to know this. His reply: "you seem like the kind of guy who would have dealt with this sort of thing before". What the fuck does that mean?

Oddly enough - I did know what to do, but it wasn't from experience, damn it. I only deal with venereal diseases that require anti-biotics. :D

[Useless]

They can fly downunder and gently tounge my moist anus for the paperwork.

-NHoly fuck. |shocking| I'm dying over here. You people floor me. :D

[GunnCat]

Wow....Cleo, you seriously have a way with words! |haha Thanks for the giggle....

Don't know if there are fans of "Deadwood" here, but cocksucker has become part of my vocabulary now along with cunt. I think a lot of americans get the wrong idea of the word cunt and I find I don't use it as often as I would like. |blowkiss|

[Greenguy]

Years ago, a buddy called me up all panicked, begging me to come to his apartment. I get there and he confides in me that he just go crabs from his girlfriend. Well duh! That wench was more of a slut than my sister. What did he expect? So anyway, I asked him why the hell I needed to know this. His reply: "you seem like the kind of guy who would have dealt with this sort of thing before". What the fuck does that mean?...
You sure you didn't mean to post:

Years ago, |buddy| called me up all panicked...

[guitar riff]

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again |jackinthe


So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

just because there haven't been any arrest yet doesnt mean that their won't be and they are just covering their ass.
Myself i would actually look at the sites that did pull content because that tells me they are paying attention and they are serious about the business, and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.

[Surfn]

So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

just because there haven't been any arrest yet doesnt mean that their won't be and they are just covering their ass.
Myself i would actually look at the sites that did pull content because that tells me they are paying attention and they are serious about the business, and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.Obviously we hold opposing views. As I said in another thread all who notified me they were taking down their sites or content until the dust settles are welcomed back :)

[lassiter]

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again |jackinthe

Just for the record, the only sites I pulled over this latest flap were a few older sites promoting Topbucks that used Topbucks content. The content (with one exception) was all softcore and therefore not even subject to 2257, but the sponsor pulled the license to use that material and told all their affiliate webmasters to pull the content down, including banners. I also emailed all the relevant webmasters several days in advance.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be blacklisted merely for following a sponsor's ToS demands.

[lassiter]

It's amazing how a serious thread about me tea-bagging a woman in the produce section of a grocery store has been reduced to a joke about Cleo having fleas. :D

But you were doing that before before the new 2257 regs too! :)

[tickler]

So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

...those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.
I hope that you mean normal stuff that we all consider illegal, and not just what 2257 says.

I'm even considering taking down my 2257 pages that list the content suppliers, and replacing them with a nasty GFY Dubya banner.

[Lemmy]

I'm even considering taking down my 2257 pages that list the content suppliers, and replacing them with a nasty GFY Dubya banner.
Feel free to use this one (http://whothefuckislemmy.com/media/2257_bush_evil.gif). :D

[Useless]

...and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later.Speeding is illegal, but I'd rather tip a pizza delivery person who speeds because I know my pizza is going to be hot. I never request a slow and conscientious driver when I'm hungry. ;)

[doll]

forgive me for this post which I'm sure this has been gone over many times. but I've been on vacation for the past couple of months and am totally lost as to what exactly has changed with the 2257 laws. What needs to be done to be compliant? I've tried to read the legal shit but it doesn't make sense to me. So if someone could explain it in a normal language I would greatly appreciate it. Again, sorry for this post but I really need to understand whats going on. Thanks.

[DirtyDani]

Don't know if there are fans of "Deadwood" here, but cocksucker has become part of my vocabulary now along with cunt. I think a lot of americans get the wrong idea of the word cunt and I find I don't use it as often as I would like. |blowkiss|


Deadwood Rules! I can't wait for the second season to come out on dvd...

[Surfn]

Deadwood certainly has it's moments :D

[juggernaut]

forgive me for this post which I'm sure this has been gone over many times. but I've been on vacation for the past couple of months and am totally lost as to what exactly has changed with the 2257 laws. What needs to be done to be compliant? I've tried to read the legal shit but it doesn't make sense to me. So if someone could explain it in a normal language I would greatly appreciate it. Again, sorry for this post but I really need to understand whats going on. Thanks.
Dont worry about it. Enjoy the bliss of not knowing.

[LindaMight]

I don't think anyone should rag on those that pulled content, changed their content and banners, etc. Just because the Feds have not done anything yet, and just because they have changed the regs a little now, doesn't mean that they won't do a sweep of adult sites in the future. I never expected them to jump in on June 24th and jail a bunch of webmasters but just because a month has gone by, doesn't mean they won't drag a few in to check records. Hooray for those that said "fuck em"....but Hooray for those that did all they could to be in compliance....including me. Oh and I also joined the FSC....and again...so what? Any umbrella in a storm no matter how small ...... |peace| |peace| |peace|

Linda

[Cleo]

I added "2257" as one of my word of the day passwords…

[juggernaut]

Ok Im going to tell why I joined the FSC. It was not cause of my site. It was totally cause I want Howard Stern to be free. lol.

[ponygirl]

I added "2257" as one of my word of the day passwords…

for me, the highlight to submitting is Cleo's word of the moment passwords :D

Ponygirl