Tommy(tommys-bookmarks.com)!! Did you cheat me?

[Makay]

This thread is special for Tommy :)
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Hello Tommy!

I have paid $100 for partner account in Tommys-Bookmarks from my e-passporte epsinet more than 2 weeks ago(13.06)!!

I am sending you e-mails with info every day - but still no answer from you |cry|

I've sent you 2 PM's - and no answer!

Why don't you answering??

Please create me an account!
Or at least return me my money!
But i prefer an account ;)

Thanks in advance.

[Rocco]

welcome to GGaJ Makay :)

[neticule]

Yes, welcome. Tommy was quick to reply to me when I signed up, if your payment did go through, maybe your email is ending up in his spam box? who knows... But I assume this will get his attention for sure =)

Please dont let this be your first and only post/thread, join in at gg&j, it IS the most helpful msg board/community on the net for adult webmasters IMHO

[Jim]

Not a good first post. You just don't call one of our most respected members a cheat. You have not been cheated. There obviously was some problem someplace down the line.

Why the fuck would Tommy cheat anyone? Especially for $100.

[Jim]

$100 won't even buy a decent lunch...
Next time think before you speak.

[ClickBuster]

Hey Jim :) give the guy some air... he seems to be quite friendly actually:

Please create me an account!
Or at least return me my money!
But i prefer an account :)

Thanks in advance.

-- Andrew

[Jim]

It was the subject that set me off.
"Tommy(tommys-bookmarks.com)!! Did you cheat me?"
Let me know if there is another way to take that.

[Mr. Blue]

Umm, certainly not the best way to introduce yourself.

[Makay]

ok sorry Jim
May be i was too sharp....but 2 weeks without answer...
I have nothing against Tommy...i am sure he is great and fair guy.

I've changed title of my message - can you change thread title too??

[Torn Rose]

Your accusing someone like Tommy cheating you for $100????

lol... the odds are you have just cost yourself much more then $100.

[Makay]

Guy's PLEASE DON'T flood here!

I understand that i was too impressive - i am sorry about it - and ALL what i want is to get partner account at great Tommy's site!
Or at least my money back.

But as i said already i prefer an account ;)

[Marchello]

Welcome aboard Makay,
i hope that everything will be good and that you will get your account,
i was little suprise too when i saw tittle of this thread but now i get your point:)

[Tommy]

Makay
I have a little test I put webmasters through to see if they are cheaters and you failed it

even though I am pretty sure you are a cheater I still refunded your money the first time you signed up

you signed up once for 50 dollars
I told you that I was NOT gonna give you a partner account and nicely REFUNDED your 50

so like 2 weeks later you sign up again for 100.00, I guess hoping to slip it by me

[Tommy]

http://ww5.tommys-bookmarks.com/makay.jpg

[Greenguy]

Ya know, I knew there was something fishy as soon as I saw that he paid $100 for a $50 account :D

[Torn Rose]

lol, this got better. :D

[2msacras]

Hey sorry to hijack this thread but I snail mailed a check a while ago but it was returned because I wrote the wrong address. Now when I try to go to the page that had the address on it I'm redirected to the thank you for your submission page.

So Tommy or any helpful soul, if you wouldn't mind could you PM with the address to mail my check. Thanks and sorry for any problems this created.

[bobbiekey]

Oooooooooo... that was so NOT cool

[Useless]

Currency Conversion Results

100 U.S. Dollars = 2,858.800 Russian Roubles

[seven]

|pokefun|
Makay
I have a little test I put webmasters through to see if they are cheaters and you failed it

even though I am pretty sure you are a cheater

[Pusher]

Makay
I have a little test I put webmasters through to see if they are cheaters and you failed it

even though I am pretty sure you are a cheater I still refunded your money the first time you signed up

you signed up once for 50 dollars
I told you that I was NOT gonna give you a partner account and nicely REFUNDED your 50

so like 2 weeks later you sign up again for 100.00, I guess hoping to slip it by me

BUSTED! |bigfuckin

[mist]

What a clown, first he gets a rejection and the money back and then he goes in with another 100 bucks, why would anyone do something like that?!

[Mr. Blue]

Currency Conversion Results

100 U.S. Dollars = 2,858.800 Russian Roubles

That could buy a whole lot of Russian Wallpaper.

[Vink]

In a email Tommy sent me he said "Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you out." And I totally believe he would. He's not a blowing smoke kind of guy. But of course you guys already know that.
I'm not kissing his ass because I already have an account, and been making money off his traffic for six months.

[MrYum]

In a email Tommy sent me he said "Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you out." And I totally believe he would. He's not a blowing smoke kind of guy. But of course you guys already know that.
I'm not kissing his ass because I already have an account, and been making money off his traffic for six months.
Yep, Tommy is one of the straightest players in the biz |thumb

And no, also not kissing his ass here...just stating a fact.

NOT a wise business choice to come here and bash him with your first post |dizzy|

[Tommy]

I dont feel like he was bashing me
but what am I supposed to do.... keep returning his money

suppose he is signing up with a stolen credit card
I would be out
the 50 he sent me
the 50 i sent back
the 100 he sent me
then the 100 i send back

he signed up the first time
I refunded the money. If he does it a second time ......

the reason he paid 100 the 2nd time is cause I raised the price, nothing fishy there



2msacras here ya go
http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/please-signup.html

[Tommy]

here is his last email to me

I have a feeling his real name is Andi Kuhn

Hello Tommy!

Why don't you answer me?

I have paid $100 for partner account in Tommys-Bookmarks
from my e-passporte: epsinet 2 weeks ago!!

Here are some samples of my hardcore movies:
http://www.video-action.com/core035-movies/index.html
http://www.video-action.com/core047-movies/index.html
http://www.movieduke.com/castle104-22/index.html
http://www.futureclips.com/highquality_014_vids/index.html
http://www.futureclips.com/highquality_021_vids/index.html
http://www.mpeg-type.com/puresex-movies176/index.html

Please use this information while creating an account:
Username/password: Makay/makvid
E-mail: makay@video-action.com

Thanks in advance.

[GonZo]

Green Guy and Tommy have given me so much FREE traffic over the years that I have to laugh at this entire thread!

[grzepa]

Thats a very interesting thread...
Whenever there is an oppotunity to thank Tommy for his traffic Im using it.
So im doing it again, thanks for the awesome traffic and listing most of my galleries :)

[Boogie]

$100 won't even buy a decent lunch...
Next time think before you speak.

I could eat at my favorite thai place about 4 times on that.


.....

i'm just saying ;)

[Useless]

I could eat at my favorite thai place about 4 times on that.


.....

i'm just saying ;)Have you seen Jim's chili recipe? He has a MUCH larger appetite than most of us.

Jim - there are children starving in China - eat them first.

[Cleo]

I personally love Tommy's traffic. :)

But I think he is responsible for a big patch of my sod dying, all the rain we have been having, and something else that I can't remember right now.

How the hell could someone eat $100 worth of food for lunch? Does Jim have to flush a few times when taking a shit?

[juggernaut]

Netiquette

Written by: KayS
Networking is one of the best ways to make new friends, business associates and learn the ropes. But how do you communicate in this net world? I mean if you have a garlic and onion sandwich for lunch and walk into a brick and mortar office your co-workers are probably going to avoid you like the plague -right? So how do you avoid offending your cyber cohorts?

This is where netiquette comes in. People online get to know us from how we post in forums, chat on instant messengers and "talk" in chat rooms. They never see our facial expressions; they never hear a tone of voice. Why can one person call me a short, wrinkled old troll and I not only will not take offence but end up snorting my coffee all over my screen, while someone else may say something like "you don't know what you're talking about and I disagree with you totally" and it will raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels? It's easy - the sum of the experiences I've had with both people online will affect how I react. I don't just read what they post to me, I read what they post to others.

There are subtleties in our online relationships and the one thing we have to remember is that whatever we write, especially in an open public forum will be read by more than just the person we're "talking" to. Those people will form opinions - right or wrong of the person behind the post.

What can we do to make that impression a good one? First don't use the caps lock. ANYTHING THAT YOU WRITE ALL IN CAPS WILL BE CONSIDERED SHOUTING. And no one likes to be shouted at, even in cyber space. Besides it marks you as the newest of newbies.

Watch what you say. We may work in adult but there are still lines that shouldn't be crossed. Suggesting to a female webmistress in a chat room that she should give you a blow job cause after all she's a woman, you're a guy and you're all in adult may not get you a real slap in the face, but it sure can do a lot to ruin your image. The net is an equal opportunity marketplace and the women you meet are fellow entrepreneurs and business associates and should be treated as such.

Don't give away your age, mental or real, by spelling and writing like an illiterate twelve year old. "U suk man, r u dum u h4xs3r?" will not only send many fellow webmasters running for a web dictionary but mark you forever as someone with less than what it takes to be a successful webmaster. Now we all misspell - the damned keyboards just seem to do that, but try to present yourself in the best way you can, since what you type is the only way people will know you.

Don't attack. If you disagree with what someone has said don't attack him or her as a person. Disagree with the idea. "That is the stupidest thing I ever heard but I would expect something like that from an old fart like you." will probably not be taken too well by anyone reading it. If you are in a flame war, don't get personal. Stick to the issues, stick to the ideas, don't throw mud on the person.

If you're angry, drunk, or super tired DON'T POST. Get up, walk away from the keyboard, take a walk, cool off, sober up, get some sleep, think about it and THEN post. Otherwise you will have to apologize for something that didn't come out the way you intended it. And people will still remember that original post no matter how much you try to cover it up.

When you post, reread it before you hit that enter key. Ask yourself if you're in the middle of a hot and heavy discussion if what you're about to post is really a good idea. Is it a clarification or a statement of your ideas on the subject? Has it been presented in a logical, non-judgmental, non-inflammatory manner? Keep in mind that somewhere out there are 5 Billion Chinese who really don't give a damn what you're posting. It's not going to change the world as we know it, but it sure can change how people think of you - so be cool, be respectful, and don't attack.

Use emoticons - smilies - to let everyone know when you're teasing someone or cracking a joke. Just because you know what you're doing doesn't mean the readers do. "I think someone has too much time on their hands" sounds a little harsh. "I think someone has waaaaaaaay too much time on their hands! LMAO }:>) " conveys a totally different feeling.

If you don't know who someone is - don't question their experience. One guy springs to mind who posted two years ago about a webmaster who wasn't often seen on the boards. He made a comment about the man owning a couple of sites when in point of fact he owned several SERVERS full of sites and was one of the most successful webmasters around. Two years later and people still remember that post, and the poster. "Oh yeah wasn't he the ass who said….."

Don't bash. If you have a problem with a host, sponsor, content provider, whoever, do not bring it to the boards. Try to work it out privately and use someone as an arbitrator if necessary. If it's a scam - and there are some around, be sure you have your facts in order before blowing the whistle. Don't just say that your sales are off and so the sponsor is cheating. That is a really quick way to make your career very short. The best thing to do is take your evidence to someone who's been around awhile and has a strong standing in the community. Let them investigate and take the appropriate action.

One other point - you never know who you may need. That guy you insulted in the live chat may someday be the guy you need to buy content from, or host with, or ask for a job. And I can guarantee he will remember that post where you insulted him - and remember it forever!

If you have gotten off on the wrong foot - forget the public forums. Take it to email, give them a call. It's amazing what an email or phone call can do. Misunderstandings can be cleared up quickly and that guy you thought was a flaming moron may turn out to be a good friend and business associate.

In short - think before you hit the enter key. This may be cyberspace, but impressions are just as long lasting as they are in office space, the problem is we only have our words to make those impressions. So be sure they are the ones you really want to use.

KayS


Sorry for the long post lol but I thought this was good.

[Boogie]

and for what its worth, in my experience, tommy's traffic (greenguys and dangerdaves too) are good enough to where If i had to crawl across broken glass just to give them the 100 dollars I'd do it.

even if i'd miss out on 4 thai dinners :(

[Linkster]

juggernaut THATS A PILE OF BS - everybody in this biz cheats and just uses networking to cover their ass - sounds like some goody two shoes that wants the internet to be a nice little neighborhood that everybody is nice to one another -
I suppose this is the frigging theme song:
It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood,
A beautiful day for a neighbor.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood,
A neighborly day for a beauty.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

I've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you.
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So, let's make the most of this beautiful day.
Since we're together we might as well say:
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?
Won't you please,
Won't you please?
Please won't you be my neighbor?


Its all a conspiricy - dont fall for the BS


ok - Im all better now - and going back to my medication


BTW - for those that havent figured it out - I can be sarcastic occasionally

|couch|

[Torn Rose]

BTW - for those that havent figured it out - I can be sarcastic occasionally

|couch|

you sarcastic? Noooooooooooooooooooo!

[2msacras]

2msacras here ya go
http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/please-signup.html

Thanks, my check is going out in the morning. I had one number off in the street address, turns out the Post Offic is picky about that.

[juggernaut]

juggernaut THATS A PILE OF BS - everybody in this biz cheats and just uses networking to cover their ass - sounds like some goody two shoes that wants the internet to be a nice little neighborhood that everybody is nice to one another -
I suppose this is the frigging theme song:
It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood,
A beautiful day for a neighbor.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood,
A neighborly day for a beauty.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

I've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you.
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So, let's make the most of this beautiful day.
Since we're together we might as well say:
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?
Won't you please,
Won't you please?
Please won't you be my neighbor?


Its all a conspiricy - dont fall for the BS


ok - Im all better now - and going back to my medication


BTW - for those that havent figured it out - I can be sarcastic occasionally

|couch|Ok Link thats scary that you remember the whole song lol. Hey I did not write it. I just thought their were some good points.

[grzepa]

How the hell could someone eat $100 worth of food for lunch? Does Jim have to flush a few times when taking a shit?

AHAHAHA :D :D
I was asking myself the same question.
For $100 you can eat...well quite a lot.

[mist]

How the hell could someone eat $100 worth of food for lunch? Does Jim have to flush a few times when taking a shit?

A friend of mine is very skinny and he can eat scary amounts of food, and at his work he is known to cause a few stops in their toilets, so now they have told him that they prefer he's not using their toilets for the big one. I guess that he does not flush properly...

[Fido]

Jim, move yourself to the Czech Republic, you can get 40 lunches for $100 :)

[GunnCat]

Jim, move yourself to the Czech Republic, you can get 40 lunches for $100 :)

|pokefun|Yes, but how's the Mexican and BBQ?

[Fido]

|pokefun|Yes, but how's the Mexican and BBQ?There is one Mexican restaurant near by my house, but it is so expensive that I have never been there. You know, they must pay out that band and so :)

(But that food looks damn good http://develop.svamberk.net/mexicana//menu/jidelni-listek/barbecue-sweet-sour/, maybe I could go there today...)

[Cleo]

I like the flies on the cow's ass
http://develop.svamberk.net/mexicana/

[Tommy]

I was hoping Mckay would come back and post, but I guess not

I wanna thank everyone for all the nice things you said, It really made my day
and for sticking up for me :-)

you guys are the best !!!!!

[MeatPounder]

I was hoping Mckay would come back and post, but I guess not

I wanna thank everyone for all the nice things you said, It really made my day
and for sticking up for me :-)

you guys are the best !!!!!

Think he is busy trying to save up enough cash to send you 200 bucks next time ;)

[MrYum]

Think he is busy trying to save up enough cash to send you 200 bucks next time ;)
Now, THAT's funny! |pink

[Theproofhouse]

I was hoping Mckay would come back and post, but I guess not

I wanna thank everyone for all the nice things you said, It really made my day
and for sticking up for me :-)

you guys are the best !!!!!

So did you refund his $100 Dollars this second time?

[Jel]

So did you refund his $100 Dollars this second time?

I hope not, it may stop the guy from trying again in 2 months time and causing more unnecessary work.

[Theproofhouse]

$100 won't even buy a decent lunch...
Next time think before you speak.

Jim,
$100 is a months salary to some people in Eastern Europe. Maybe you should think before you speak?

[Jel]

The Proofhouse,
It's all relative. How much is a lunch in Eastern Europe?

[guitar riff]

LOL someone steps out of line and called Tommy a cheat
Damn thats a new one
pretty funny if I say so myself I needed a good laugh for the day.

[Theproofhouse]

The Proofhouse,
It's all relative. How much is a lunch in Eastern Europe?

Jel,
A meal in Eastern Europe will cost a few pence, unless you go to a swanky Moscow resteraunt, where it will cost you $100 dollars or more.
I am saying that $100 is a lot of money to someone who cant afford it.

[Cleo]

$100 buys me about a week's worth of groceries if I don't also buy stuff for the house like cleaning supplies or something like that.

It's a bit over two tanks of gas for my car these days.

It's 80% of what a good quarter of weed costs. |potleaf|

It's two month's worth medication that I need to take.

It's one visit to the dentist to have my teeth cleaned.

It's three cuts of my grass by my yard guy or two trims of my hedges.

It's only a fraction of the taxes that I pay each week for the privilege of living in America. (yes I was born here)

It's less then what it costs to have a local hooker come to your home here. (no I don't call hookers but my neighbor does and I'm friends with more then a few)

$100 is about the same buying power as $20 was when I was a teenager. (I'm middle age now)

$100 would be about the least amount of money that I would want to carry if I was going someplace to do something for the evening. (not that I even use cash anymore)

[Linkster]

more importantly - $100 is nothing to someone that cheats and makes money in this biz - no matter where they live - just cause some people dont have $100 has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion - its obvious this guy did - too bad he lost it

[Theproofhouse]

more importantly - $100 is nothing to someone that cheats and makes money in this biz - no matter where they live - just cause some people dont have $100 has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion - its obvious this guy did - too bad he lost it

Cheat? Cheat at exaxctly what? Tell me where he has cheated.

[Linkster]

Cheat? Cheat at exaxctly what? Tell me where he has cheated.

Ummm - did you read the rest of this thread or just jump in head first cause you felt confrontational - msg 13 where he failed the cheater test that Tommy puts people through :) You have to be one helluva cheater to fail that one by the way

[Theproofhouse]

Ummm - did you read the rest of this thread or just jump in head first cause you felt confrontational - msg 13 where he failed the cheater test that Tommy puts people through :) You have to be one helluva cheater to fail that one by the way

Yes I've read the whole thread, and no I didn't jump in because I am feeling confrontational. If you know so much, then maybe you can explain "Tommy's Test" ?

[DangerDave]

[sig placement]

[guitar riff]

Yes I've read the whole thread, and no I didn't jump in because I am feeling confrontational. If you know so much, then maybe you can explain "Tommy's Test" ?

He could explain it but then he'd have to do terrible things to you.
:) :) :)

[MorganGrayson]

*leaning on an elbow and staring at the screen in a bemused fashion*
I have to tell you, folks...sometimes this is *so* much better than television. |waves|

[Linkster]

Now if I gave away Tommys test - that would be like giveing away a well guarded secret that most of us already know LOL

but then - Im too old for most of the BS that the cheaters use so I just ban them and go along my merry way - when I had my heart attack a few years ago I resolved never to give in to the temptation again :)

Morgan dear - I could have some popcorn and GreyGoose sent over LOL

[Tommy]

I am sorry I cant explain it
because they would just work around it

and its not fool proof

he signed up once he got nice rejection and a refund
even though I felt he was a cheat I refunded his money
I think thats more then fair

[Theproofhouse]

I am sorry I cant explain it
because they would just work around it

and its not fool proof

he signed up once he got nice rejection and a refund
even though I felt he was a cheat I refunded his money
I think thats more then fair
You "felt like he was a cheat" the first time. Well he paid you $100 the second time. Are you going to refund him?

[Tommy]

I dont think so

[MorganGrayson]

Morgan dear - I could have some popcorn and GreyGoose sent over LOL

Oooohhh!! And just when I thought it couldn't get any better!! |thumb

[Theproofhouse]

You "felt like he was a cheat" the first time. Well he paid you $100 the second time. Are you going to refund him?

Or at least give him an account Tommy. Thats what he wants.

[Theproofhouse]

Wow,
I was just thinking about Jimmy Hendrix,
and he comes on the radio. All along the Watchtower. Spooky.
Had the volume on full

[Theproofhouse]

I dont think so

You owe this guy $100.

[Tommy]

and then what next week i owe him another 100.00

[Useless]

You owe this guy $100.Why? The guy should accept that he lost his $100 and think of it as a fine for being a coniving dick. Screw him.

[Mr. Blue]

You owe this guy $100.

Tommy (way too nice to be a NYer, I think he's faking it), gave the guy a refund and refused him an account. Is it his fault this guy is a prick and tried again? He's got better things to do then play bounce the $100 around every week when this dink keeps re-applying.

The guy didn't even bother coming back to this thread...don't you think this might indicate something? If anyone called me a cheater, regardless of who it was, I would be all up in their face...this guy just disappeared.

[digifan]

[sig placement]

Lol here goes mine... I was AWOL for a while but Tommy has been always so nice to me and helpful let me thank it in public too.

[selena]

Tommy is the bestest.

'Nuff said.

[Theproofhouse]

Tomy
send this guys money back. Didn't think you where so cheap as to keep $100

[Makay]

ok guys i see you all want to see me again
First of all - i am not cheater. That's why i have started this thread.

I didn't want to write here more cause of me vs. Tommy....i have no chances to win...and nobody gives me chance. That's obviously.

And please guy's don't flood here. I have requested to close this thread.

P.S.
Tommy - i PM'd you yesterday. If you don't want to refund my money - ok. Let's think that it was a little present. Sorry if i was too sharp when called you cheater.

Thanks to all.
Have a nice day.

[mist]

i am not cheater.
Your NOT |shocking| It's funny how people can say that and honestly believe that someone are going to believe them.
Tommy is a stand up guy that has several hundred's of submitters that pass his cheaters test, you didn't pass it, lets get real, obviously you did something you wouldn't suppose to do, so isn't easier just to say, okey, you got me, bad for me, have a nice day...

[Makay]

that's why i don't want to talk in this thread.
previous post is a good example of my words. no chances for me.

Ok it is enough. I said all i want.
See you in other threads. |waves|

[GonZo]

All your $100 are belong to us

[Mr. Blue]

All your $100 are belong to us

LOL

[MadMax]

Tomy
send this guys money back. Didn't think you where so cheap as to keep $100

Tommy is a 100% stand up guy, everyone around here knows it because he's been around forever and always done straight biz with everyone, including me.

Whatever his cheater test is, me as well as everyone I know has passed it without a problem..but then I don't associate with cheaters. Tommy's got the most relaxed rules I've ever seen and a fuckload of traffic that converts.

Now you're jumping in to insult him...are you this guy's girlfriend or something? Is he blaming Tommy for not having $100 to pay you? What's the deal?

I'd just as soon see this ridiculous thread title drop off the board, but if you're going to keep poking an honest guy with a sharp stick you'd best explain yourself.

[selena]

All your $100 are belong to us

|haha

[Tommy]

Tomy
send this guys money back. Didn't think you where so cheap as to keep $100

well you were wrong |pokefun|

I used that money to sign up at the FSC |waves|

I wanna make some thing perfectly clear
I dont have any hard feeling towards Mckay, I dont feel that he insulted me in any way

and Thanks again everybody for all the kind words

[spookyx]

well you were wrong |pokefun|

I used that money to sign up at the FSC |waves|

I wanna make some thing perfectly clear
I dont have any hard feeling towards Mckay, I dont feel that he insulted me in any way

and Thanks again everybody for all the kind words

I think you should have spent it on Jim's Chili recipe

|cat |thumb |peace|

[guitar riff]

Prrofhouse seems you are real fucking concerned about this fucking cheater . I'm sure tommy will give the guy back his money sooner or later its not like he doesnt have 100's of non cheating WM's galleries and sites to worry about so I imagine when he gets around to it he will get it back to him and after all the fuking cheater got his refund back first time saying he wasnt going to get an account and yet he still wanted to waste tommy's time again by sending again so Now he can wait cause he's fucking hardheaded. If that doesn't suit your likings Oh well

[Chop Smith]

So requests for a submit pass to Tommy's increase again?

[Boogie]

So requests for a submit pass to Tommy's increase again?

My favorite part is how every time shit like this gets slung around people realize how excelent tommys traffic is and how cheap an account is there and he gets another 25 or so signups.

[Cleo]

Tommy's deal has to be one of the best around. I would easily pay $100 per month for the privilege to submit to Tommy.

[thurbs]

tommy is no cheat.

[Lemmy]

Tommy, here's an idea: Call it a non-refundable application fee. That should deter some of the cheaters from even trying.

[Boogie]

Tommy, here's an idea: Call it a non-refundable application fee. That should deter some of the cheaters from even trying.

seconded.

[MadMax]

Tommy, here's an idea: Call it a non-refundable application fee. That should deter some of the cheaters from even trying.

Excellent idea, and he wouldn't be the first :)

[MrYum]

Tommy, here's an idea: Call it a non-refundable application fee. That should deter some of the cheaters from even trying.
Agreed...an excellent suggestion!

[Thumbler]

I agree as well

[GunnCat]

ok guys i see you all want to see me again
First of all - i am not cheater. That's why i have started this thread.

I didn't want to write here more cause of me vs. Tommy....i have no chances to win...and nobody gives me chance. That's obviously.

And please guy's don't flood here. I have requested to close this thread.

P.S.
Tommy - i PM'd you yesterday. If you don't want to refund my money - ok. Let's think that it was a little present. Sorry if i was too sharp when called you cheater.

Thanks to all.
Have a nice day.

You brought this completely upon yourself.
#1 rule: don't shit where you eat.

[Doug E]

The guy didn't even bother coming back to this thread

i bet hes on here and has been for a while. different names is all. might even be in this thread still. hey, wheres the eye rolling smiley that looks up ? :)

[Doug E]

hmmm, i love it when i read 3 pages of a thread, reply, then find theirs a fourth page |drunk|

at least i found the drunk smiley

[Theproofhouse]

Hello again to the lynch mob.
The guy doesent want his $100 back, he has said so.
When I see something like an injustice done, I have to, and I will speak my mind. I will have my fucking say on this board.
If you don't like it, tuff shit

[Useless]

When I see something like an injustice done, I have to, and I will speak my mind.At least that doesn't require the use of many words.

[Linkster]

I agree with you proofhouse - and especially in the case of this type of injustice where a slime ball WM tries to cheat a well known respected WM like Tommy - I think it should be posted everywhere to show the injustice that some cheaters try to bring to the biz

[pornrex]

I agree with you proofhouse - and especially in the case of this type of injustice where a slime ball WM tries to cheat a well known respected WM like Tommy - I think it should be posted everywhere to show the injustice that some cheaters try to bring to the biz
Amen to that Linkster

[Boogie]

My favorite part is how this guy keeps trying to manipulate us into thinking tommy's an idiot or something and was wrong.

I mean lets face facts. Tommys been in this game a long fucking time and if he thinks you're a cheater, if he thinks you dont deserve an affiliate account... you dont.

Tommy is the guy with nine million partner accounts, seventy bazillion hits a day, and has made us all quite a chunk of change.

then you've got this guy with his accusations and broken english.

you'd have to have a lot more than just a random "oh snap you keeps my money i am full of sad" line to convince just about anyone here.

[Theproofhouse]

My favorite part is how this guy keeps trying to manipulate us into thinking tommy's an idiot or something and was wrong.

I mean lets face facts. Tommys been in this game a long fucking time and if he thinks you're a cheater, if he thinks you dont deserve an affiliate account... you dont.

Tommy is the guy with nine million partner accounts, seventy bazillion hits a day, and has made us all quite a chunk of change.

then you've got this guy with his accusations and broken english.

you'd have to have a lot more than just a random "oh snap you keeps my money i am full of sad" line to convince just about anyone here.

I'd like to know what he did, apart from making two applications for an account at Tommys. Maybe Tommy can tell us.

"Accusations in broken english"

Well if you were in the middle of Moscow, could you speak perfect Russian?

[Mr. Blue]

I'd like to know what he did, apart from making two applications for an account at Tommys. Maybe Tommy can tell us.

"Accusations in broken english"

Well if you were in the middle of Moscow, could you speak perfect Russian?

The fact remains that Tommy refused this guy an account and refunded the first $50. Now any reasonably intelligent person wouldn't submit again for an account...especially only 1 week after the first rejection.

You seem to criticize Tommy's actions, but why don't you criticize the actions of a person that purposely tried to get an account after he knew the first time he would be rejected.

If every person that Tommy rejected just kept on resubmitting and getting a refund, how would that effect his business model? Maybe he would just stop offering new partner accounts and go with the stable of partners he already has...now should 1 person that tried to cheat the system ruin it for all the other webmasters that want an account at Tommy's?

Tommy's always been an upstanding webmaster...when people ask me what partner accounts they should buy I always say buy one at Tommy's. He's always dealt straight with people just as he dealt straight with this guy. Abuse the system though, get punished, deal with it.

[Theproofhouse]

The fact remains that Tommy refused this guy an account and refunded the first $50. Now any reasonably intelligent person wouldn't submit again for an account...especially only 1 week after the first rejection.

You seem to criticize Tommy's actions, but why don't you criticize the actions of a person that purposely tried to get an account after he knew the first time he would be rejected.

If every person that Tommy rejected just kept on resubmitting and getting a refund, how would that effect his business model? Maybe he would just stop offering new partner accounts and go with the stable of partners he already has...now should 1 person that tried to cheat the system ruin it for all the other webmasters that want an account at Tommy's?

Tommy's always been an upstanding webmaster...when people ask me what partner accounts they should buy I always say buy one at Tommy's. He's always dealt straight with people just as he dealt straight with this guy. Abuse the system though, get punished, deal with it.

Hmmm, Tommy was ok till he started charging $100 to list your work

[GonZo]

Hmmm, Tommy was ok till he started charging $100 to list your work
Are you Confucy's brother? She always was in search of a conspiracy. Pardon me Im new here and not very frequent. What is it you do in the business again?

I know Tommy.

[Theproofhouse]

Are you Confucy's brother? She always was in search of a conspiracy. Pardon me Im new here and not very frequent. What is it you do in the business again?

I know Tommy.
And who rattled your cage?
I know the Queen Of Fucking England
Get the fuck

[Toby]

|popcorn| |duff|

[Prawnie]

Tommy has always been good to me. He even went out his way to do an alternative method of payment for me when I applied.

Whatever Tommys reasons for rejecting this guy is, he has done the right thing and kept it between the two parties concerned. He hasn't, even after being referred to as "a cheat" disclosed any infomation as to the reason for the rejection.

Apply once.. you get rejected. Apply twice and do the same thing is asking for trouble. For too long, cheaters (and this does not apply to anyone particular) have made our jobs that little bit harder. An inconvenience is an understatment. |shocking|

For $50 Tommys partner account was a steal. For $100 its still a fantastic offer.

For once its nice to see an owner bite back and actually get one over a cheater.
This should be standard for all TGP's.
Its like any business deal.

[Mr. Blue]

Hmmm, Tommy was ok till he started charging $100 to list your work

You're obviously too obtuse to understand the fact that Tommy did give a refund the first time. The person should have never applied a second time as he knew what the results would be. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Anyway, you're welcome to your opinion, but don't be surprised if people think you're a dink for it. I personally think you're a little drama queen who feeds on this type of attention. :D

[Theproofhouse]

You're obviously too obtuse to understand the fact that Tommy did give a refund the first time. The person should have never applied a second time as he knew what the results would be. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Anyway, you're welcome to your opinion, but don't be surprised if people think you're a dink for it. I personally think you're a little drama queen who feeds on this type of attention. :D
Mr Blues,
I know all about the 50 dollars he sent the "first time". Please don't patronise me.
He sent further money,100 dollars, rightly or wrongly. The other party has decided to keep it.
To me, it sounds like the guy has been screwed. And he would like his money back.
$100 Dollars is $100 Dollars. Simple.

[Jel]

Surely you can see that after the second $100 was refunded, there would have been a third payment, after that was refunded, a fourth, and so on? Time = money, and this guy would be taking up Tommy's time with the continual back-and-forth of money for an account he isn't going to get.

Don't forget, he failed Tommy's cheater test. Now, Tommy could probably have cheated him right back and just made sure none of the guy's work was listed. Nope, he took the time to reund the guy. and tell him he was not going to get an account. Anyone who has dealt with Tommy would not be surprised by that. Why the hell would the guy then send another request a week later, and not mention he already got declined? Only one possible reason he would do so - to try and catch Tommy unawares and hope he'd forgotten about the first instance.

To me, it sounds like he done that wrongly. To me, it sounds like he was trying to screw Tommy.

No doubt he would like his money back. No doubt Tommy wanted this guy to stop sending him money and trying to screw him. No doubt this guy will send another $100 from another alias.

I applaud the people who screw the screwers.

[GunnCat]

Mr Blues,
I know all about the 50 dollars he sent the "first time". Please don't patronise me.
He sent further money,100 dollars, rightly or wrongly. The other party has decided to keep it.
To me, it sounds like the guy has been screwed. And he would like his money back.
$100 Dollars is $100 Dollars. Simple.
$100 is nothing compared to bashing someones reputation without merit, the way this thread started off. I am inclined to believe someone who has a great reputation and has been around for a long time versus someone who comes here starting a thread named:
Tommy(tommys-bookmarks.com)!! Did you cheat me?
Honestly when I first saw the thread I thought it was some joke.
Point is, we know Tommy, we have made money with Tommy we trust Tommy. Ultimately if he decides to refund the guy is comletely up to him.
I don't think arguing with the community is going to help the guy with his case, just likely to have more people come stand by Tommy.

Hmmm, Tommy was ok till he started charging $100 to list your work
Tommy charges $50 for a lifetime membership for subs, 5 galleries/links per day.

These are some of the going prices of other sites:
Jizzhut: Monthly Submit Pass: $59usd
Timsmovies: Monthly Submit Pass: $25usd
Richard's Realm: Monthly Submit Pass: $35usd
Video Post: Montly Submit Pass: $39usd
FreeFuckingMovies: Monthly Submit Pass: $39usd
XNXX: $75/month to submit 1 gallery per day
$99/month to submit 2 galleries per day
$149/month to submit 4 galleries per day
ChubbyLand: Montly Submit Pass: $60usd
MaturePost: Montly Submit Pass: $39usd
PinkWorld: Monthly Submit Pass: $49usd
Elephant's List: Monthly Submit Pass: $59usd
TS List: Montly Submit Pass: $60usd
AL4A/WS: Monthly pass: $85usd
Easypic: 6 Months 10 submissions a day $100

I don't mean to sound insulting, but to make statements like that makes me believe that you don't understand the nuances of this business nor the trends that make this a business, not a playground.

[Mr. Blue]

To me, it sounds like the guy has been screwed. And he would like his money back.
$100 Dollars is $100 Dollars. Simple.

Let me ask you a question:

If the guy didn't submit a second time, would he have lost his money? That's the point really. The man gambled and lost...The wager was $100...The bet was if he could fool Tommy...the result...he lost.

Next time you go to Vegas or Atlantic City, place a wager, lose, and then ask the house to return your bet. It is the same thing...no different...well, one difference, in Vegas no one would feel the urge to support his lunacy...that is, unless you were there :)

[GonZo]

And who rattled your cage?
I know the Queen Of Fucking England
Get the fuck
Good maybe she will give you a cookie so you can shut the fuck up. Im big enough to rattle my own cage.

[Tommy]

I think they just want the reason they got denied

so next time they wont make the same mistake again

all the rest of it is just bullshit

[GunnCat]

Tommy, you been fishing yet this summer?

[sue-fl]

Well this sure has been a very intresting thread. I knew that Tommy must send a lot of traffic has he seems to be very respected. Even a newbie (like myself) would pick up on that soon enough. But I had no real idea on just how good it would be to be able to submit at Tommys. Well thanks to some idiot who decided to be really rude. I have learned that I would like to apply there. I had no idea how much traffic he sends, but do now. So this thread turned out to be a bad thing for the person who started it. But maybe a good thing for me...... |thumb

[Jel]

Hiya Sue :)
If you go for a pass with Tommy, it will definitely be a good thing for you |shake|

[Tommy]

Hi Gunn
no Fishing this year, I know ......


sue-fl.. I am sure you will be happy :-)

[sue-fl]

Thanks Jel and Tommy! I'm hoping my free sites are good enough. The thought of a test is a bit scary! I consider myself an honest WM but haven't taken a test in about 20 years......yikes!!

[Prawnie]

Thanks Jel and Tommy! I'm hoping my free sites are good enough. The thought of a test is a bit scary! I consider myself an honest WM but haven't taken a test in about 20 years......yikes!!

Sue.. you have nothing to worry about. ;) Tommy is fair. Its only cheaters that need worry |waves|

[Tommy]

Sue.... your all setup :-)

[Chop Smith]

That has be record speed to prove everyone is not a cheat. Money well spend, Sue.

[sue-fl]

Sue.... your all setup :-)

|pink Thanks so much Tommy!

Heck ya Chop Smith, that was the fastest approval I've ever gotten for a partner account.

Some great people at this board, when it comes to helping a newbie out..|thumb

[MrYum]

Yup, you're gonna love Tommy's traffic Sue ;)

[neveremail]

Tommy: Maybe you can use the $100 to open me an account :) - consider it courtesy payment from a scummy cheater to an honest webmaster like me. |thumb

but seriously - I'll be buying an account in a month or two - Just spent far too much money already this month on various investments - want to fine tune my freesite and gallery making skills a bit more too :)

[Tommy]

Hi neveremail
Great I will be looking out for your application :-)

[sue-fl]

Wow is all I can say Tommy! Have to be honest the thought of spending $100 dollars to get listed at Tommys was a bit scary. I finally did it and damn the increase in my traffic is unreal. I have almost made my $100 back already!!!

I would feel wrong in not giving a big thanks out to a lot more people here. GreenGuy and Jim, Jaysxxx, Adult List, Cleo, Freesitexxx, We Love Free Porn, Are all at the top of my list plus to many more to mention. Just want to say thanks you all rock!!

[koolkat]

I don't really build galleries, but paid the $50 a while back... figured it would come in handy some day. I made one gallery and submitted it to Tommy, and I have probaly made 25 time what I paid off the traffic of that one gallery!

[Chop Smith]

No doubt! Tommy's traffic is golden and well worth 100 gold nuggets

[Tommy]

Thank you very much guys

Sue-fi I hope you make a million dollars with the pass

one thing I love about this.... is the contact I have with the submitters
before thousands of webmasters submited more or less anonymously

now they have to send me a email for the application
and the transfer thru epassporte or storm pay
I have to send a reply ....anwser what ever questions they have

[Linkster]

Sue-fi I hope you make a million dollars with the pass


And the nice thing is that actually is something someone who really wanted to could accomplish :)

[Tommy]

At This time I wanna clear something up
I just found some new info on David Mckay

I dont wanna post out in the open because I wanna compare it to some other stuff

what I did was I stashed the evidence and privated messaged a few of the more respected board members

at this time I wanna ask those of you who seen the evidence to post your opinion
did you review the evidence???
and is he a cheater ????

[spookyx]

what I did was I stashed the evidence and privated messaged a few of the more respected board members



we have respected board members? |shocking|

[69pornlinks]

fuck!!! when you, lag you lose...i shouldv'e bought when it was $50...i'll still pay the 100 bones better do it soon..before i lose out again |cool|

[neticule]

holy shit, i go away for almost 2 weeks and this thread got to 135 posts... Yikes :) I'm sure glad i got in on the partner account when it was 50, i wouldnt pass it up even now at 100 of course, i remember the good old days, i used to check my stats daily just to see if i was listed at the site, because if i was, that meant i would make some sales :) I dont know if he is a cheater or not, but if he is, and there is good proof, fuck him, the honest folk that are willing to pay the bux to get in deserve to not have to compete with cheaters, and I love the fact that Tommy does his best to keep them out, lots of sites that charge money for an account will give it to anyone as long as they get the money, which isnt fair to the others that are honest IMO.

[Surfn]

I can attest to the fact that Tommy is as fair as they get! Anyone who knows me knows I don't suck up. Just a simple fact.

He is trying to cut down on cheaters and apparently it's working! WTG Tommy |thumb

[remote]

wow interesting read. good evening drama :)

i find it interesting that someone can stand up for the guy who failed the test, and only get upset at tommys decision to not refund the money. Not a single word about this guy, not a single questioning of his actions that might have made him fail the test.(addressed to Makay , not to tommy)

Think twice, and u will see one of the reasons (or in some cases the only one) that honest webmasters these days have to pay, is due to cheaters.

I say, see it as a little pay back to all honest webmasters.

[Tommy]

I just wanned to show this to everyone

once again here is the idiots info
________________________________________________
Hello Tommy!

Why don't you answer me?

I have paid $100 for partner account in Tommys-Bookmarks
from my e-passporte: epsinet 2 weeks ago!!

Here are some samples of my hardcore movies:
http://www.video-action.com/core035-movies/index.html
http://www.video-action.com/core047-movies/index.html
http://www.movieduke.com/castle104-22/index.html
http://www.futureclips.com/highqual...vids/index.html
http://www.futureclips.com/highqual...vids/index.html
http://www.mpeg-type.com/puresex-movies176/index.html

Please use this information while creating an account:
Username/password: Makay/makvid
E-mail: makay@video-action.com

Thanks in advance.
______________________________

now look at the email address
makay@video-action.com

and look at this page
http://www.submitpasses.com/bl.htm
it about cheaters that bought submit passes

[Torn Rose]

lol, classic.

[Ramster]

What a tool. Cheaters never give up. :(

[Fonz]

I think you should give him another chance... his 4th one by now if I'm right? :D

[CrazySy]

What an idiot...lol

[neveremail]

Cant beleive that guy keeps paying $100 just to be told he is not getting an account :)

[Tommy]

no no no
you guys are misuderstanging me

he didnt sign up again

I just reposted his info to show his email address
and that he was caught cheating at submitpasses.com

if you read through the thread
he tried signing up twice and I kept his money saying that I beleived he was a cheater
which of course he denied being a cheater

well I beleive this proves me right

I just wanted to show everyone that

[johnnybg]

Tommy why you even bother to reply to these guys who accuse you? I really don't understand...

It seems you want to prove something that is well known to people.

I do not know about any evidence that you cheated anyone, and I've been around since cca 1999 in this business (back then my free hosted free sites were listed on Tommys Bookmarks :D , that was definition of easy money). I'm sure none of board members know of such evidence - because it doesn't exist.

My points:
1. I'm not sucking up
2. I'm not trying to make Tommy a saint - he's just good bussinesman
3. Tommy it's your site, your discretion is to keep money if you feel it will help your bussines.
4. I need to get back to work, this thread is too long

BTW, this is coming from a guy who got rejected by Tommy for $100 pass. I didn't reapply and I won't - got over it and moved on to sites who want to list my stuff. Period.

[DJilla]

Hey Tommy! I too meant to sign up with you months ago but got jacked up at the epassporte thing which I don't have. Sent you an email this morn, check tonight if that's OK.

[Surfn]

I'd do the same thing Tommy.

[Maximilian]

Hi, Tommy, i sent you 100$ two months ago, also i sent you three email and one pm message but you didn't answered me :(, and i don't understand why. Please let me know if you got the money and if all is fine. My email in profile. Thanks!

[Tommy]

Maximilian
I just sent you a PM