My personal thoughts on 2257

[Jim]

I invite the authorities to come visit my house for proper documentation. I have none. So come and arrest me so I get the chance to meet the guys from the ACLU personally.

That way, we might actually get an arrest made where the judge can either throw it out or maybe even get to see the supreme court again say, don't fuck with the internet.

We have been through so much worse. We have been through congress making and passing a law stating an adult verification service must be used on all adult sites. The supreme court threw it out. Then they changed the words and the supreme court threw it out again.

Stop with the fucking doom and gloom again. You are putting people out of business instead of your real intention of lining your pockets.

So to the authorities.. I have no documentation. Come and get me cocksuckers.

[Jim]

Oh yeah
I live at 62 West Main Street, Mohawk, New York 13407
My office is there as well.

[Toby]

You left out one other thing... |2up
There, that's better.

[Jim]

I fucking hate doom and gloomers as much as I hate republicans :) They do it for one reason...to take our money.

[Sarah_Jayne]

can I have a front row spot to picket at your trial?

[Cleo]

I agree with Jim pretty much completely.

I have lots of thing to worry about in my life and on the scale of things this isn't very high on the list.

[plateman]

Dam jim you really can make a point and to be willing to go to jail for us really shows your a great guy and all this 2257 stuff is all hyped up...

[Jim]

My point is...I would not go to jail.
It is doom and gloom again and again and again.

[Jim]

But yes, I would love to be arrested for this bullshit and have the ACLU kick the shit out of the government again on my behalf.

[Jim]

Fuck these doom and gloom cocksuckers

[Jim]

When a law is wrong, it is our responsibility to break that law.

[Lemmy]

This whole 2257 thing has me on an emotional roller coaster regarding this business. If the new regs are implemented it just doesn't seem worth it for a newbie like myself to try and scratch a living out of porn. On the other hand I'll be damned if I'm gonna go down without a fight!

Right now I'm just sitting it out hoping they arrest Jim before me. :D

[Greenguy]

Why not post a link to some of of your "sexually explicit" material so they know what to arrest you for :D

[Kinky]

I hope they arrest me.... it would be the best advertising I could ever hope for... I'll have hats and shirts made up and will be talking to every reporter on earth all promoting my sites

[plateman]

LMFAO you guys kill me...

[Chop Smith]

Jim, I agree. But since I am a whore, don't look at my signature.

Bought me a big jar of Vaseline just in case they throw me in the cell with big Bubba while I waiting on you guys to go my bail.

Old farts like me will not live to see the end of all of this bullshit, but the sky is not falling and folks are packing it in to quickly. Comply to the best of your ability but do not be scared out of business.

[Useless]

Jim, I have some wonderful undocumented content for you. It's me fisting the assholes of three illegal male Cuban immigrants - elbow deep - while they kneeled on the U.S. flag. The video is best because you get to watch them get all coked up so they can handle the pain of me flexing my fist deep inside them. (I really should have trimmed my fingernails first.) When we were all done we jerked each other off on a pic of Jenna Bush we cut out from an old copy of 'Teen Beat'.

So...any takers?

[Jim]

Fuck the doom and gloomers
All they really want is to line their pockets with your money

[Jim]

Expect to see my first post in this thread as a rant in tomorrows newsletter...including my home address.

[Useless]

Oh trust me Jim, there's a few of us that are right there with you. I fear stubbing my two on the Egptian pyramids more than I fear being arrested due to this current fiasco. It's a crock and we know it. It's politics at work. I'm sure people were nervous when COPA and the original 2257 came to be, but everyone survived. Why are they beefing up 2257? Because Ashcroft had to admit to congress that they had never conducted a single 2257 related investigation. This new turn just makes them look politically interested in the cause.

[Cleo]

We should do a Woodstock type porn event on Jim's property.

He has a lot less trees in the way now so we should all fit no problem.

[Jim]

I learned today that I will be keeping my house until middle of september :)

[Jim]

The thing is that those of us around in 96 went through something real. Something that was passed by congress and something that would shut most of us down. The supreme court...the same guys there now, shot it down. Not once but twice. This was a real thing back then. We had a real fear of being out of business. We made it through unscathed. Since then, fear mongers have tried to sell us a bag of shit from zip code lists to having to pay for 2257 documents.

Fuck them all...

[Jim]

Fuck anyone that tries to make money from the fear of others.

[FreshChecks]

someone saw National Treasure

[Mr. Blue]

Fuck anyone that tries to make money from the fear of others.

AMEN!!!

A week after this all broke I was reading the forums, getting all hyped up, and even considered leaving the biz. Then I stopped reading the forums...remembered that this is complete bullshit. So, I bought a server, bought a shitload of content, and fully plan to ride this out.

I see a few people riding the fears of others for profit and it's disgusting.

[Jim]

someone saw National Treasure
I have yet to see that movie.

I just sent out a special day early newsletter with my statement as the tip and trick.

[Cleo]

I learned today that I will be keeping my house until middle of september :)
And then you will be homeless???

If only you hadn't spent all that money on the bike house… plus that tattoo.

[Jim]

The old house with all the land. I will have 57 acres forever but I will lose about 6 acres when I get rid of the house.

[Greenguy]

Just call me Pete Panic, but fuck Jim, no one will ever knock on your door & ask for 2257 docs because you have no fucking sites!

It's easy to scream "Come arrest me for possession of cocaine" when you have no fucking coke in the house.

[lassiter]

Jim, I have some wonderful undocumented content for you. It's me fisting the assholes of three illegal male Cuban immigrants - elbow deep - while they kneeled on the U.S. flag. The video is best because you get to watch them get all coked up so they can handle the pain of me flexing my fist deep inside them. (I really should have trimmed my fingernails first.) When we were all done we jerked each other off on a pic of Jenna Bush we cut out from an old copy of 'Teen Beat'.

So...any takers?

Nah, I've seen that set a dozen times already. :D

[spookyx]

We should do a Woodstock type porn event on Jim's property.

He has a lot less trees in the way now so we should all fit no problem.


its too bad jim would not be able to take photos of that event.. but we can have cd34 do the official court reporter type drawings

|waves|

[Cleo]

I could buy a domain name in Jim's name and put some content on it.

I have pretty nasty exploding dwarf content that I'm not planing on using so it would even be exclusive just for Jim.

[Lunatic]

This whole thing will be hashed out in the courts in our favor. If nothing else when the first people get nailed because of 2257 unjustly. Of course, we all just hope we're not the first to be nailed.

[sue-fl]

|bananna| thanks so much for this thread. I have to say that a lot of these posts made me nervous. I'm glad you said what you did Jim. I know you and greenguy and Cleo have been at this a long time. So I trust what you all say. Bought me a bunch of content also ready to start making a bunch of free sites.

One question that I always think to my self is this: How the hell can the goverment even begin to watch us all? There are millons of us out there aren't there? Seems crazy to me, so I agree with Jim if they come to arrest me so be it what the hell would I be guilty of??

Well thanks again you eased my mind and made me think since I saw that post. You guys are.. |headbang|

[Jim]

Just call me Pete Panic, but fuck Jim, no one will ever knock on your door & ask for 2257 docs because you have no fucking sites!

It's easy to scream "Come arrest me for possession of cocaine" when you have no fucking coke in the house.
I had plenty of content until you panicked and redirected all my galleries.

[Greenguy]

You mean that domain that you forgot that you had free sites on until I told you I redirected them?

[Jim]

This whole thing will be hashed out in the courts in our favor. If nothing else when the first people get nailed because of 2257 unjustly. Of course, we all just hope we're not the first to be nailed.
I want to get nailed first :)

[MrYum]

I want to get nailed first :)
Ya big ol biker perv :D

Seriously Jim...very well said :)

I too have recently allowed myself to read too much of this bs...and it has had a detrimental effect. I 'almost' didn't have sex with my girlfriend today because I was SO fucking caught up in the 'what ifs'. Oh, yes...I DID say 'almost' :D

I haven't been around as long as some of you...but do have about 4 years in the biz. And yea, there's been a few scares during that time. But...something about this one...and the more I've read (mistake on my part)...this one has started to get under my skin. Frankly, the concept of being fuckin locked up for a clerical error...yea...it got to me...fuckers |angry|

But, thanks to some good ol hot sex (thanks to my sexmonkey as I call her)...and thanks to Jim's post (no sexmonkey for you big guy)...I'm BACK!

Traffic is climbing nicely...sales are slow right now...but they'll come around...

Now, let's get out there and sling some fucking porn for all those over zealous pricks to look at :D

[Jim]

You mean that domain that you forgot that you had free sites on until I told you I redirected them?
Redirecting someones domain with galleries on it. I wonder, what would you call that? I now consider myself a Link-O-Rama partner. We can discuss percentages later. :)

[Tommy]

you live on main street
yet on your property you have like a zillion acres of trees to cut down

now thats living in the boondocks

I also think jim should be a full partner in link o rama

[Jim]

you live on main street
yet on your property you have like a zillion acres of trees to cut down

now thats living in the boondocks

I also think jim should be a full partner in link o rama
Holy Shit Tommy...You didn't know that right now I own 2 houses? You did hear that I moved, right?

[Trev]

well... Torn is not here yet, so I'll say it for him.


Jim moved?

[Tommy]

no..... I didnt know you moved

I was gonna post a redneck joke

if you live on main street and have 50 acres of property
ya might be a redneck

[stuveltje]

i only change the stuff of the sponsors who emailed me that i cant use sexual explicit (or something like that)content of them anymore, i am gonna switch those sites with sponsor content, with my own bought content with the old 2257, i have enough content just always was to lazy to use it all.And further i dont care anymore about the 2257, but i do fucking care i have to change some things.accckkkk

[Cleo]

So you are worried that the US is going to invade the Netherlands and arrest Stu I guess.

[stuveltje]

So you are worried that the US is going to invade the Netherlands and arrest Stu I guess.
yeah i see the US police buying a ticket to arrest poor nice girl like Stu.....wont never happen i am to nice........and i am dutch :D

[T Pat]

RIGHT FUCKING ON JIM |thumb
I swore two things to myself last summer
when Raw Alex pulled all my free sites after I stated there was no way in hell I was ever going to be 2257 compliant because the whores would never agree to it and I only shoot soft core so I didn't have to be.

1, I would never post to another 2257 thread again. "what can I say your newsletter moved me" :D

2, Someday I would let Raw Alex know exactly what a fucking insult that was, and how I took it.
So Raw Alex if my Free sites were pulled becouse you don't trust my morals ethics and judgment and think I've been photographing underage girls You've got yourself a big can of woop ass coming.
If my free sites were pulled becouse I said there's no way I would ever get the girls to sign model releases pay attention for a second, I don't need to "I only shoot soft core pictures of registered Mexican Sex workers" I'm in compliance with Mexican law and US law so get back in the kitchen to gossip with the women and sissies you faggot |pimpin

[BillPMB]

Cool heads always prevail folks.

It's pretty much a slam dunk for the FSC once they file for their injunctions and even if they didn't get them, in court, this reg will get pissed on.

Very nicely said Jim.

Hey folks. :) Tommy, are you still racing muscle cars around?

[Cleo]

A pic is worth a thousand words…

[swedguy]

A pic is worth a thousand words…
mmmmm Enchilada!

[spookyx]

So you are worried that the US is going to invade the Netherlands and arrest Stu I guess.


CLEO HUSH!! don't give g.w. any ideas |peace|

[booboo]

hello all :) this is my first post - been doing some reading on your board and i like the way you folks think :)
a thing that interests me is this = nobody on any board i have read has mentioned 1 small fact = the bill of rights clearly states that all usa citizens has the right to privacy yet it seems to me this 2257 law clearly violates that right - i hope every model sues the government big time for this violation
thanks for listening :)

[Dagwolf]

Yep, you're in a mood allright. :D

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

[docholly]

hello all :) this is my first post - been doing some reading on your board and i like the way you folks think :)
a thing that interests me is this = nobody on any board i have read has mentioned 1 small fact = the bill of rights clearly states that all usa citizens has the right to privacy yet it seems to me this 2257 law clearly violates that right - i hope every model sues the government big time for this violation
thanks for listening :)

unfortunately the current administration doesn't feel the constitution applies to them or they only use the parts they like..
kind of like christians and the bible. selective passages, misapplied to fit their current situation.

Commissary comes by 2 a week. |cool|

[Urban Legends]

I don't know how serious Jim is about this, but i do know that this industry has always needed guys to stand up and take the heat and be willing to do what it takes for the good of the community. And whether you like these guys or not, from their personalities to what they produce, we all owe them for what they went thru so we could enjoy the benfits (from Larry Flint to Rob Black).

[Jim]

unfortunately the current administration doesn't feel the constitution applies to them or they only use the parts they like..
kind of like christians and the bible. selective passages, misapplied to fit their current situation.

Commissary comes by 2 a week. |cool|
It was in 96 I believe when a different, much worse law was passed that would put us all out of business. It went to the Supreme Court twice (the same guys there now) and was struck down twice.

The jist of the Supreme Court decision was "The internet is the last place of true free speach. We will not harm it".

[Jim]

And I will keep saying this...If a law is unjust, it is our duty to break it.

[Jim]

I don't know how serious Jim is about this, but i do know that this industry has always needed guys to stand up and take the heat and be willing to do what it takes for the good of the community. And whether you like these guys or not, from their personalities to what they produce, we all owe them for what they went thru so we could enjoy the benfits (from Larry Flint to Rob Black).
If I was not serious, I would not have not only posted but also emailed my home address. By the way, you guys might want to remember that address for August 1st...my birthday :)

[Jim]

I would have given out my phone number too but...I really don't need everybody calling me all day :)

[Jim]

Oh yeah
Fuck these fear mongers...Get a fucking life and figure out a different way to make money. You remind me of a holy man asking for donations to go to heaven.

[Toby]

...you guys might want to remember that address for August 1st...my birthday :)adding note to calendar for Aug.1: Have Jim's front yard "Flamingoed".

Oops, did I say that out loud? |couch|

[Jim]

Harley Davidson memorabilia if you are interested in a gift :)

[Cleo]

Pink Flamingos and spinning sunflowers it is.

[Special "Ed"]

I agree Jim...its nice to see someone bringing some relief to all this bullshit.

[mrMagoo]

Well said Jim and thanks for saying what needs to be said
|yourock

[Greenguy]

And I will keep saying this...If a law is unjust, it is our duty to break it.
So when will you be breaking this law your so vocal about?

It's really fucking easy to scream "Come Arrest Me" when you're not breaking the law.

If you had 170 domains & countless free sites & galleries & paysites & 225k pics floating around with your name on them, you would not be singing this song.

Call me an ass - call me "Pete Panic" - I don't care - but don't encourage everyone to follow you when your the last person that the DOJ would look at if & when this goes thru.

[stuveltje]

So when will you be breaking this law your so vocal about?

It's really fucking easy to scream "Come Arrest Me" when you're not breaking the law.

If you had 170 domains & countless free sites & galleries & paysites & 225k pics floating around with your name on them, you would not be singing this song.

Call me an ass - call me "Pete Panic" - I don't care - but don't encourage everyone to follow you when your the last person that the DOJ would look at if & when this goes thru.dont even mention it all..i have about 200+ domains with bought content, free sponsor content, all kind of stuff, fpa, fake tgp, hubs, avs ,free sites, and yes i am that sloppy person who dont have all on file with what i have where and who.......do i care about the 2257....on a certain point i do, i do care at that point if an sponsor email me with " hey dont use this or that" then i am panicking and getting angry because if i want to keep my sponsor accounds i have to play by their rules....even if i am an foreign person, so even i dont think the us law will knock at my door, i am still afraid sponsors will close my accounds if i not follow their rules on the 2257.....on this moment bizz sucks huge, i think i had to change to many shit the last year with sponsors changing stuff and getting broke and now the 2257, i spoke to more dutch webmasters all say, hey i am not an US person, yep i agree so what the fuck with the 2257, but ever think of the fact an sponsor will tell you they dont allow you to use their hardcore free content anymore per 23 jun or banners or dropping paysites, well say again ducthies.... still wont follow that request, well then dont nag when an sponsor close your accound, so even we are not by the US law, it will involved us too...and that makes me work for 24 hours now the next freaken fucking days to fix my shit|cry|

[Jim]

So when will you be breaking this law your so vocal about?

It's really fucking easy to scream "Come Arrest Me" when you're not breaking the law.

If you had 170 domains & countless free sites & galleries & paysites & 225k pics floating around with your name on them, you would not be singing this song.

Call me an ass - call me "Pete Panic" - I don't care - but don't encourage everyone to follow you when your the last person that the DOJ would look at if & when this goes thru.
What the fuck is wrong with you? There were plenty of galleries of mine until you redirected them. Once moved, they will all be up there and I will post links to everything.

I called you nothing. But I do say that it is our duty to break an unjust law.

[Jim]

And as I said a million times...Some of us have been through much worse than this. Maybe when everyone sees this is just bullshit, people I thought would never get paranoid will stop being paranoid.

I hope so at least.

[Pusher]

C'Mon Jim...tell us how you REALLY feel :D

[Pipboy]

haha - you're awesome Jim.

[pornofreekman]

A pic is worth a thousand words…


Cleo...You have 2257 info on that pic ?????????

[Jim]

dont even mention it all..i have about 200+ domains with bought content, free sponsor content, all kind of stuff, fpa, fake tgp, hubs, avs ,free sites, and yes i am that sloppy person who dont have all on file with what i have where and who.......do i care about the 2257....on a certain point i do, i do care at that point if an sponsor email me with " hey dont use this or that" then i am panicking and getting angry because if i want to keep my sponsor accounds i have to play by their rules....even if i am an foreign person, so even i dont think the us law will knock at my door, i am still afraid sponsors will close my accounds if i not follow their rules on the 2257.....on this moment bizz sucks huge, i think i had to change to many shit the last year with sponsors changing stuff and getting broke and now the 2257, i spoke to more dutch webmasters all say, hey i am not an US person, yep i agree so what the fuck with the 2257, but ever think of the fact an sponsor will tell you they dont allow you to use their hardcore free content anymore per 23 jun or banners or dropping paysites, well say again ducthies.... still wont follow that request, well then dont nag when an sponsor close your accound, so even we are not by the US law, it will involved us too...and that makes me work for 24 hours now the next freaken fucking days to fix my shit|cry|
And where do you live Stu? Do you obey the US speed limit laws as well?

[Greenguy]

What the fuck is wrong with you? There were plenty of galleries of mine until you redirected them. Once moved, they will all be up there and I will post links to everything.

I called you nothing. But I do say that it is our duty to break an unjust law.

You've got 14 free sites that all have a date on them of Feb 2004 - which means they were all moved there on that date, so they are all at least 15 months old & have little or no traffic (plus, lets remember that you didn't even know they were there until I told you I redirected them)

Do you really think that the DOJ will come after you & your 300 pics? And I know you're gonna say "I wish they would" or something like that, but the odds on them actually looking at you is about the same as winning the lottery.

And no, you didn't call me anything, but you know that this thread started after you & I talked on the phone yesterday about what was going on with the content on the servers.

I fear that you stating this opinion might push someone that was on the fence to the (potential) law breaking side & |buddy| forbid they get fucked because you've got such big balls.

I redirected everything - fuck it - I don't care anymore - I make most of my money off LOR & other link lists & TGP's & that's what I do best.

Love ya |smooch|

[Cleo]

Cleo...You have 2257 info on that pic ?????????
You only need it on a sexually explicate image. Nothing sexually explicate about that image.

I guess some might say that it is sexually explicate but until someone can define exactly what is sexually explicate and what is not I say that image is a science pic showing the inner workings of human anatomy for educational purposes to further broaden the knowledge of the human race for the good of all.

[stuveltje]

And where do you live Stu? Do you obey the US speed limit laws as well?yeah right , i live in the country where nothing is taboe..the netherlands, i have free sites dating 2001 no 2257 and i cant get that either anymore, i realy dont care about the 2257 US law, i live in holland we can smoke weed and we may fuck an 16 year old one, but i have to obey at the rules when an sponsor calls me up to remove the free hardcore content i use of them on my sites, they dont have the papers probably so what to do else? keep the stuff up and get my accounds closed? give me some advice here .realy i didnt worrie about the whole 2257, hell i dont have to live by the US rules, but i use US sponsors..they say pull, oke i have to pull, i have tons of stuff around dating from 2001 when there was no shit with 2257, i have content from content providers who are not around anymore, i dont care about that, lett them get at my door, but if sponsors ask i will remove it all.

[Greenguy]

And where do you live Stu? Do you obey the US speed limit laws as well?This is a perfect example - she's hosted in the US so she has to follow the US laws - just like if she was driving in the US, she'd have to follow the US speed limits.

[stuveltje]

This is a perfect example - she's hosted in the US so she has to follow the US laws - just like if she was driving in the US, she'd have to follow the US speed limits.yep i am hosted in us, now it seems that the hosting companies cant be blamed for the things that the webmasters do in the new 2257, so it wouldnt make an difference if i used dutch host or US, but i do use US sponsors and there is the difference i have to keep by their rules and that is the new 2257 and i am not gonna risk closing my accounds.i worked hard to get where i am now and i wanna stay, so sponsors have the last word for me and i stil hate to change my things |cry|

[Jim]

You've got 14 free sites that all have a date on them of Feb 2004 - which means they were all moved there on that date, so they are all at least 15 months old & have little or no traffic (plus, lets remember that you didn't even know they were there until I told you I redirected them)

Do you really think that the DOJ will come after you & your 300 pics? And I know you're gonna say "I wish they would" or something like that, but the odds on them actually looking at you is about the same as winning the lottery.

And no, you didn't call me anything, but you know that this thread started after you & I talked on the phone yesterday about what was going on with the content on the servers.

I fear that you stating this opinion might push someone that was on the fence to the (potential) law breaking side & |buddy| forbid they get fucked because you've got such big balls.

I redirected everything - fuck it - I don't care anymore - I make most of my money off LOR & other link lists & TGP's & that's what I do best.

Love ya |smooch|
By Monday, I will have at least 10,000 pictures linked from thumbnail pages and I will post the url to them all. I mean, I have no idea what else to do.

Does it matter how much traffic you have going to the pictures? Anyone can feel free to link to them and place on the link "Looking for non-2257 compliant content, click here" that wants to.

This is basically more of a principal to me. Don't think I won't walk the walk along with talking the talk. In NYS you must have a DOT approved motorcycle helmet. My helmet is a piece of leather much like an old timey pilot used to wear. Why do I wear that? Helmet laws are much like seatbelt laws and even 2257. They are unjust.

[Jim]

I'm sure it is out there but could someone post a link to a mainstream news site that talks about 2257. Nothing old...something current. Like I said, I'm sure it's there but I can't anything. Probably just my poor searching abilities.

[Greenguy]

The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

[Greenguy]

By Monday, I will have at least 10,000 pictures linked from thumbnail pages and I will post the url to them all....At your current picture posting rate (Harley Shed) that would be a Monday in 2038? |couch|

Love Ya! |blowjob|

[airdick]

The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

That guy wasn't originally charged with a 2257 violation anyhow, he worked out a deal to plead guilty to a 2257 charge. From what little I could find about the story, I'm not even sure he ever actually published any of the photos he took.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=2257&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=229352

[Greenguy]

I didn't see that article by AVN - glads they posted the truth on that :)

But back the the current topic of this thread - here's the articles published by the mainstream media:
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/2005/06/01/news/29758.html
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--pornographycharge0601jun01,0,7897872.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork
...Federal law requires photographers to verify their models' ages through identification documents and keep records. ...
"2257" was not mentioned, but we all know that's the law they are referring to.

BTW - "1182" is the law for Inadmissible aliens |waves|

[madleinx]

Jim, you are the man! |headbang| I wonder what DOJ would do if the entire online adult industry simply refused to comply :) I wish I had the money to take on this fight....

Here's the link to CNN's coverage of the signing of the regulations:

New rules to crack down on child pornography (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/17/childporn.regs/index.html)

What a crock.....

[Mavic]

US Gov is fucking with everything right now, I'm close to giving up broadband. Tring to cut out porn and p2p sharing, what else is broadband for? Might as well revert back to 300 bps and Compuserve.

[troy]

Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this

[Jim]

Remind me Greenie in July when I see you that I owe you 1 ass kicking :)

[Jim]

I just wonder why it is only us talking about 2257 and no mainstream media...None. It is called 2257, not some federal law. Find me some mainstream media that is talking about "2257".

And if I need to, I will ask Sparky to help me with the pictures. :)

[Qon]

When a law is wrong, it is our responsibility to break that law.

thanks for posting this |thumb



..

[Greenguy]

madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world :D

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

|buddy| Be With You

[Jim]

madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world :D

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

|buddy| Be With You

I still owe you an ass kicking :)

[Jim]

One last thing...I promise.
Back in the day when there was a real threat, it was on the news daily.

[Cleo]

Did someone say ass kicking? (http://www.wavsite.com/sounds/32958/vinny05.wav)

Counter offers… (http://161.58.5.90/vinny/jt.wav)

[stuveltje]

Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this
lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
--------------------
Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.

[stuveltje]

lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
--------------------
Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.
so Troy after reading those emails, still say fuck the 2257? yep i can say that , so i will loose my accounds i am not gonna fuck up 4 years of hard work...i realy dont see a point in that, do i agree with the 2257 hell not, and i am not an US person, yep i have US host (they cant be blamed for the things i do) but the sponsors are trying to protect themselfs and do follow the rules, and since those sponsors send me an paycheck...i have to follow their rules.Easy pick! :D

[tickler]

Stu, I'm starting to see quite a bit of that stuff.

Sponsors forcing non-US WMs to follow US rules, 'cause they don't want them to have an unfair advantage over US WMs. Guess my foreign sponsor content is going to go up.

[Cleo]

If a sponsor is going to force me to design in an uncompetitive way then I would stop using that sponsor.

You don't sell cars by showing bicycles
|skyfall|

[Trev_UK]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

[Jim]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!
Nice first post
Thank you for your informed comments.

[Jim]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

I suppose with your thinking, Gandhi would have made your moron list as well. Or, the gentlemen that participated in the Boston Tea Party. Or, any Vietnam war protester that peacefully broke the law by not moving when being told to.

[Jim]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!
You know what? Fuck You, you piece of shit, you. Your first post on my board and you call me a moron? That was your first and last post here.

[Toby]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!
I suggest a little remedial summer reading. This title isn't on the best seller list, and I doubt it has a comic book version.
Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau |cool|

[Jim]

The fucking guy is an idiot Toby.
Civil Disobedience, to me, is a duty for Americans. If it was not for Civil Disobedience, we would still be living by the laws of England. And so would India.

[Cleo]

Life is a cabaret in Berlin…

[Jim]

And, there would still be segregation. And so many more things that are just wrong. Just because the government says something is right, doesn't make it right.

[Jim]

It's not right to talk about the guy without him being able to respond. I am lifting the ban.

[Cleo]

Amazingly it is no longer a crime to be gay in America

[Jim]

Ban lifted... I admit I jumped on that ban button too fast.

[Jim]

After reading the morons post, my wife is calling me Rosa Parks :)

[Kinky]

You’ve just made onto my morons list!
you can't even form a proper sentence you fucking cocksucker

you have just made IT onto my moron list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[plateman]

You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??

[Useless]

You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??He's on mine. I'll chase his every fucking post if he decides to come back. I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice

[Kinky]

I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice
there was a link to this thread in a GFY thread, I'm surprised that the sheep haven't been in here in numbers just to stir up shit.... anybody with comments like that regarding 2257 is a complete fucking idiot, whether you are trying to comply or not any webmaster worth his salt knows that 2257 is a bullshit way to get rid of "obscenity"

obscene - (ob-seen) adjective: anything that makes the human pee pee stiff or vagina wet (taken from: the religious right wing dictionary)

[Trev_UK]

I suppose with your thinking, Gandhi would have made your moron list as well. Or, the gentlemen that participated in the Boston Tea Party. Or, any Vietnam war protester that peacefully broke the law by not moving when being told to.


Jim you are a world away from those people!

I do apologise for pumping one off so quickly but after all the years I would never have expected you to give such novice advice, albeit your view and you’re entitled to it.

Saying that you feel all unjust laws should be broken is all well and good, but how many people reading this board (that actually have sites) will see you as a hero and follow you?

Breaking the law peacefully is still breaking the law, it would have been better to advise them to comply imho.

[Trev_UK]

you can't even form a proper sentence you fucking cocksucker

you have just made IT onto my moron list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol, fair enough!

I'll pay more attention to my grammar, diction and such!

[Trev_UK]

You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??

Oh I’m sorry! I didn’t realise that with Jim owning this board it allowed him to post foolish advice and views whilst being exempt from criticism.

[Trev_UK]

He's on mine. I'll chase his every fucking post if he decides to come back. I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice

I’m honoured you would feel the need to chase my every post.

[swedguy]

....but how many people reading this board (that actually have sites) will see you as a hero and follow you?

Breaking the law peacefully is still breaking the law, it would have been better to advise them to comply imho.
I think you have to us a little more credit than that. We're not in 3rd grade anymore. I think we're old enough to make up our own decisions.

[Kinky]

Jim you are a world away from those people!

I do apologise for pumping one off so quickly but after all the years I would never have expected you to give such novice advice, albeit your view and you’re entitled to it.

Saying that you feel all unjust laws should be broken is all well and good, but how many people reading this board (that actually have sites) will see you as a hero and follow you?

Breaking the law peacefully is still breaking the law, it would have been better to advise them to comply imho.
first off let me say I respect your responses, you don't seem to be a one hit wonder that stopped by to talk shit and then run away, but your first post rubbed a few of us the wrong way.... but Jim is right on this issue and that is a fact whether you like it or not, if all the sheep followed the leader we would all be living under a nazi regime right now... it is a personal choice to try to comply or not with the regulations and if nobody is willing to break them then they will go down as "right" when we all know they are not... Jim is not trying to be a hero, he is voicing his opinion on something he and a lot of us believe in strongly and he seems to be willing to put his ass on the line which is more than a lot of people can say... it is comments like yours that make me think that the adult webmaster community will never come together as an industry and hence will be torn apart the way things seem to be going... on a side note watch that grammar dammit :D

[stuveltje]

Stu, I'm starting to see quite a bit of that stuff.

Sponsors forcing non-US WMs to follow US rules, 'cause they don't want them to have an unfair advantage over US WMs. Guess my foreign sponsor content is going to go up.
well i agree with that, but since i have alot of bought content i was already thinking to switch the hardcore content of those sponsors to my own bought hardcore content which i have somewhere around, and yes i am dropping alot of sponsors too still it give me enough work to fix

[Greenguy]

I assume that Jim didn't see the Penn & Teller: Bullshit episode on Ghandi? |couch|

Moron |pokefun| |Jim

[Jim]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!
I am curious...Is GreenguyandJim also on your losers list?

[Trev_UK]

first off let me say I respect your responses, you don't seem to be a one hit wonder that stopped by to talk shit and then run away, but your first post rubbed a few of us the wrong way.... but Jim is right on this issue and that is a fact whether you like it or not, if all the sheep followed the leader we would all be living under a nazi regime right now... it is a personal choice to try to comply or not with the regulations and if nobody is willing to break them then they will go down as "right" when we all know they are not... Jim is not trying to be a hero, he is voicing his opinion on something he and a lot of us believe in strongly and he seems to be willing to put his ass on the line which is more than a lot of people can say... it is comments like yours that make me think that the adult webmaster community will never come together as an industry and hence will be torn apart the way things seem to be going... on a side note watch that grammar dammit :D

I understand completely that people are entitled to have their opinions, however it was the fact that Jim chose to say “And I will keep saying this...If a law is unjust, it is our duty to break it.” That's what prompted my knee jerk response, breaking laws isn't the way to change them.

As for the adult industry coming together, I see this as a pipe dream that many have been chasing for along time. It won’t ever happen because of the fact that everyone in this business is busy looking after business and if a few fall by the wayside then some will see this as a plus...

[Trev_UK]

I am curious...Is GreenguyandJim also on your losers list?

No not at all Jim

[Jim]

Tell us all a little more about yourself. You have a yahoo email address. Your homepage was another board. I know some Trevs and I don't think I know you.

What sites do you run?

[Jim]

You are obviously someone with an Axe to grind with me. Somehow, you feel I have wronged you in the past. Nobody comes to a board and makes there first post calling the owner a moron. There is another agenda here and I would just like to know what that is. Maybe we can deal with it Gentlemen.

[terry]

Jim, I somehow missed this post.. but glad I caught it now. You rock dude. Hats off to you for speaking out. Fuck 2257!

[Jim]

Guys, I am just saying calm down and don't jump to conclusions. I am not asking anyone to follow me in breaking an unjust law. I have just been through all of this before and nothing ever happens.

I needed to speak out because I saw everyone I know following the fear mongers like lemmings to the cliff. If you are really afraid of what might happen, talk to a 1st amendment lawyer and get their advice. Don't use one of the common lawyers you see online. Find one in your own town or city. Don't take advice from someone that has something to gain from your fear.

[Jim]

With that said, I will probably finish these 3 domains tomorrow.
http://www.javes.com
http://www.secrethideaway.com

[Trev_UK]

Tell us all a little more about yourself. You have a yahoo email address. Your homepage was another board. I know some Trevs and I don't think I know you.

What sites do you run?

I use my yahoo email address for every board I register on, it's nothing personal but I find it helps to stem the amount of spam I receive to my everyday email addresses.

I chose to use the other board as my homepage in an attempt to show that I was a Trev that you may have seen over there.

I run various free sites, I've also dabbled in paysites. I'm mainly concentrating on some of my more adult mainstream sites at the moment.

[Trev_UK]

You are obviously someone with an Axe to grind with me. Somehow, you feel I have wronged you in the past. Nobody comes to a board and makes there first post calling the owner a moron. There is another agenda here and I would just like to know what that is. Maybe we can deal with it Gentlemen.

There is no agenda here Jim and you’ve never wronged me. In fact I made some good money pushing Ultracash back in the day (didn’t make as much with Jims money but I still made some)

I just read your posts and I had a knee jerk reaction, for which I’ve apologised. I was just very surprised to see you post the statements you did.

[Jim]

Oh Trev, say it ain't so.
I had respect for you over there.

[Trev_UK]

Oh Trev, say it ain't so.
I had respect for you over there.

I'm affraid it is Jim.

Like I've said, it was a once in a lifetime knee jerk reaction. I awoke this morning and went "doh!"

There are a million ways I could have expressed myself better but I chose the more foolish way.

[Jim]

But now to think that non-compliance of an unjust law is moronic, is just (I can't think of a better word) moronic.

America was formed by people stepping up and saying NO to unjust laws. What would life be like anyplace where people just followed the government's rules blindly? Where would African Americans be if Rosa Parks didn't say no to riding in the back of the bus? There are just too many American heroes to mention that broke unjust laws.

I am no Rosa Parks and I don't even claim to be the only one ready to break this law. But, please do a little research on non-compliance before you make a post like you did. That is the only way anything good gets done.

[Jim]

OK Trev...Lets just forget that post then.
By the way, I may be a lot of things. But I am not a moron :)

[terry]

Guys, I am just saying calm down and don't jump to conclusions.

I agree with you Jim... and I am from Canada. I personally have had three friends in the last month quit the biz over this. They went as far as handing me over all of their domains and switching over their affiliate accounts into my name. It is crazy the level of fear this 2257 has brought about. Many honest, hard working people are just giving up. What will this do for the US economy, world economy for that matter... this cannot be a good thing no matter how you look at it. The gov't doesnt want porn easily accessible, then teach your kids what you believe, install all the anti porn software you can get a hold off, do whatever you can to protect them - we are not interested in them and they do not take out their credit cards to make us money (ok some do but that just means you not only have to protect your kids but where you leave your credit cards haha) The gov't wants to scare models into getting into this business, there are other ways of doing it... anyway this message is getting too fucking long. Its just fucking sad to see everyone so scared and so many people giving up.

[Trev_UK]

OK Trev...Lets just forget that post then.
By the way, I may be a lot of things. But I am not a moron :)

I’ll more than happily forget about it Jim :)

[terry]

I’ll more than happily forget about it Jim :)


|lovers|

[Useless]

Cocksucker.

[Trev_UK]

Cocksucker.
Would you be referring to me?

[Useless]

Would you be referring to me?Cocksucker.

[Trev_UK]

Cocksucker.
You put forward a good argument using only the most valid of points. I’m still reeling from the way you totally dominate me with your mental prowess.

I was mistaken with Jim, but you have made my moron list (http://www.moronlist.com) you cockholster.

[Useless]

Gee, I'm hurt, you knee-jerking insultive prick-faced cunt. You sashayed in here with the sole intent of insulting Jim and all of us who chose to agree with his disorderly stance on 2257. How else should I feel about you, but to think of you as nothing more than a hairless fuck-monkey? Why not just shut your trap, crawl back into your hole, and enjoy the unfair advantage that 2257 gives you over we American webmasters?

Your very first post here was an insult to me and my brethren, so don't expect soft caresses and deep tongue kisses anytime soon.

By the way, your shoe is untied.

[Trev_UK]

Gee, I'm hurt, you knee-jerking insultive prick-faced cunt. You sashayed in here with the sole intent of insulting Jim and all of us who chose to agree with his disorderly stance on 2257. How else should I feel about you, but to think of you as nothing more than a hairless fuck-monkey? Why not just shut your trap, crawl back into your hole, and enjoy the unfair advantage that 2257 gives you over we American webmasters?

Your very first post here was an insult to me and my brethren, so don't expect soft caresses and deep tongue kisses anytime soon.

By the way, your shoe is untied.

Look son, I’m not after anything from GG&J or you. I made a post without thinking it through and I’ve apologised for that, if Jim (who the post was aimed at) accepts that apology then I’ll be thankful.

However I couldn’t give two shits about you, your view on me or even your opinion on if I should post on GG&J or not. For all I know you might be the biggest player here and it still bothers me none as you’re just a fucktard in my opinion!

[Useless]

Look son, I’m not after anything from GG&J or you.Son? Can I call you dad?

However I couldn’t give two shits about you, your view on me or even your opinion on if I should post on GG&J or not. For all I know you might be the biggest player here and it still bothers me none as you’re just a fucktard in my opinion!...and yet you continue to reply. Looks to me as if you're very concerned about my opinion of you and your skankish ways. Perhaps your parents didn't show you enough affection as a child and now you're trapped in a wicked cycle of self-loathing while searching for affirmation from others. Get help from someone who cares. I don't have time to coddle you.

Got a little something on your chin.

[Trev_UK]

Son? Can I call you dad?

If it floats your boat then by all means do.

[madleinx]

(Sorry to interrupt, UW and Trev....just a second)

Jim, looked at your sites....you're off to a wonderful start!

(okay, resume pissing....:) )

[tickler]

The gov't doesnt want porn easily accessible...
I wish the AG would explain why, under the seven moons of the dark star, he expects the people who do CP will put up their names, addresses, keep nice business hours, and detailed records of themselfs breaking the law!

"To hear many religious people talk, one would think God created the torso,
head, legs and arms, but the devil slapped on the genitals" -- Don Schrader

[Extreme John]

Jesus christ I cant believe I just read this entire 6 page thing. Someone prey for me :)

I will say that jim has a right to his opinion and can certainly stick to those guns, Jim is making what he feels is the best decision for him, as I think everyone should make the best decision for themselves. Regardless in the end we all have the same common goal, or prayer. That this thing will be crushed, without too much harm to the industry and the hard working people that put their time in everyday.

[Extreme John]

Sweet I made it go to page 7 :)

[Trev_UK]

(Sorry to interrupt, UW and Trev....just a second)

Jim, looked at your sites....you're off to a wonderful start!

(okay, resume pissing....:) )

lol, no pissing here :)

[tickler]

Hey Jim, since you mentioned Rosa Parks.

Noticed that AOL is having a contest for The Greatest American, and |bow| Rosa Parks and |pokefun| Bush are both in it!
http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

Everybody should run over and vote quick! |mml|

[mrMagoo]

Hey Jim, since you mentioned Rosa Parks.

Noticed that AOL is having a contest for The Greatest American, and |bow| Rosa Parks and |pokefun| Bush are both in it!
http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

Everybody should run over and vote quick! |mml|

Can you image having the likes of Bush listed with George Washington, Abe Lincoln, FDR, MT King, JFK, and others of that calibre? |dizzy|

[Trev]

(Sorry to interrupt, UW and Trev....just a second)

Jim, looked at your sites....you're off to a wonderful start!

(okay, resume pissing....:) )
Huh? I would never interrupt UW when he's on a roll. I just sit back and watch. |thumb

[Jim]

Useless is a good friend of mine and of this board. He, at times, does become ruthless :) But he is a great guy to have around.

Right now, he is just doing what friends do for eachother. The apology is fine for me but, others have told me that it isn't ok for them.

[plateman]

On a side note that useless is one mean SOB I think he killed 3 or 4 neighbors that he didnt like and jim ran them over with his harley to make sure they were good and dead and then jim built a motorcycle barn over them..

[Chop Smith]

On a side note that useless is one mean SOB I think he killed 3 or 4 neighbors that he didnt like and jim ran them over with his harley to make sure they were good and dead and then jim built a motorcycle barn over them..

I thought that kind of shit only happend in Mississippi.

[Trev]

Come on Chop. You know how those tattoo wearing, helmet scoflaw, bikers are. |viking|

[plateman]

I thought that kind of shit only happend in Mississippi.
Oh no happens up north here also and I even heard he is into Voodoo and witch doctor stuff - hate to see his attic...

[plateman]

Come on Chop. You know how those tattoo wearing, helmet scoflaw, bikers are. |viking|
hey trev I ought to bring the sKis up to the lake sometime this summer - from canton here and want to hit the big waves on erie sometime soon...

[Chop Smith]

How many Trev's do we have here? Can I become Useless_redneck?

[porndragon]

So do you guys think 2257 could mean the end to free content? Not alot of sites going to hand out model info to every wacko with an adult site...

[Trev]

How many Trev's do we have here? Can I become Useless_redneck?
Heh... I like that. We can all use it. Useless_Trev, Useless_Greenguy, Useless_Jim, etc... This can be the worlds most Useless board.

hmmmmm sounds like I should leave the description writing to the real Useless. |dizzy|

[Trev_UK]

Useless is a good friend of mine and of this board. He, at times, does become ruthless :) But he is a great guy to have around.

Right now, he is just doing what friends do for eachother. The apology is fine for me but, others have told me that it isn't ok for them.

That’s more than understood, every good community defend their own. Especially when it’s the owner or someone as respected as you that’s coming under fire.

I’m glad my apology is good enough for you and that is all that matters to me, as I’m not going to go around each and every person and suck them off just to get back in their good books.

Again Jim I’m sorry for my fist post and I can promise you now that my knees have been bound so it’ll not happen again.

[Useless]

So do you guys think 2257 could mean the end to free content? Not alot of sites going to hand out model info to every wacko with an adult site...No, absolutely not. The IDs are only necessary for hardcore content (which makes no sense what so ever) and only for US webmasters. You'll just see a lot of American webmasters switching to softcore or getting out of adult. I never liked Americans anyway.

Oh wait... ;)

[mrMagoo]

So do you guys think 2257 could mean the end to free content? Not alot of sites going to hand out model info to every wacko with an adult site...

I think this is already begining to happen. Although not every sponsor has made their position clear yet.

I think there is going to be alot of gnawing of fingers and gnashing of teeth by alot of people over this until the DOJ looses in court, as it has already in the 10th circuit, owing to it's invalid implementation of the statute.

As far as I know, the offending clause at § 75.1(c)(4)(iii), 'other than those activities identified in paragraphs (c)(1) and (2) of this section' is already and currently stricken in the 10th circuit. If I lived in that circuit I would ask my lawyer.
|peace|

[Useless]

I’m glad my apology is good enough for you and that is all that matters to me, as I’m not going to go around each and every person and suck them off just to get back in their good books.Don't worry cocksucker, an apology wouldn't put you back in my good book. Neither would sucking me off. I heard you give shitty head. It's good to see that you don't mind disrepecting an entire community by flying in with your little balls flopping in the breeze with the sole purpose of tossing about insultations. That's a nice quality to have. Why don't you go hang at Sponsor Chat with the rest of the ignoramuses?

[Trev_UK]

Don't worry cocksucker, an apology wouldn't put you back in my good book. Neither would sucking me off. I heard you give shitty head. It's good to see that you don't mind disrepecting an entire community by flying in with your little balls flopping in the breeze with the sole purpose of tossing about insultations. That's a nice quality to have. Why don't you go hang at Sponsor Chat with the rest of the ignoramuses?

Thank you for your response :)

I’ll not be expecting a birthday card anytime soon then…

[lassiter]

That's what prompted my knee jerk response, breaking laws isn't the way to change them.


The entire civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and Indian independence movements would disagree with you. As would a few minor-league idiot anarchists like, oh, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

[Trev_UK]

The entire civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and Indian independence movements would disagree with you. As would a few minor-league idiot anarchists like, oh, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc.


Lol, true :)

However it seems that’s the way it works in the US. Here in the UK it’s handled in a different way, even the pole tax protestors paid the tax while they protested against it.

[Fonz]

Now I remember why I joined this board over 2 years ago, good advice, cheetos, great people and piss :D

[plateman]

Maybe its time for another boston tea party - everybody dump your non legal content on jims servers :D

[stuveltje]

i just do like we do in holland , sitting down get some |potleaf| and put nan stupid smile on my face :D well i did that in my younger years i am wiser now, me just read and laugh and stay aside :D

[Kinky]

Lol, true :)

However it seems that’s the way it works in the US. Here in the UK it’s handled in a different way, even the pole tax protestors paid the tax while they protested against it.
pussies, every last one of 'em
|couch|

[Trev_UK]

pussies, every last one of 'em
|couch|

lol, free pussies though :)

[Kinky]

lol, free pussies though :)
lol..... SEE SIG.... we turn on a dime :D

[Trev_UK]

lol..... SEE SIG.... we turn on a dime :D

I thought the UK was in America ;)

[lassiter]

I thought the UK was in America ;)


Just because Tony Blair's nose is buried in George Bush's ass doesn't mean the UK is in America. |satan| :D |devil|

[troy]

Its so sad.

I just bougt new content from onique and got the ID's from the models.
Everything is there.The girl lives in hollywood, adress and home number everything of the girl is there.

How long before some sick fuck is using this info to harm those girls.

I still can't believe this is really happening.

[Kinky]

Its so sad.

I just bougt new content from onique and got the ID's from the models.
Everything is there.The girl lives in hollywood, adress and home number everything of the girl is there.

How long before some sick fuck is using this info to harm those girls.

I still can't believe this is really happening.
yes but we must "protect the children" at any cost... porn models are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing behind all of this shit.. same as gays and lesbians and women who become pregnant by way of rape

[mrMagoo]

I just look forward to the day when a federal (again) or better a supreme judge laughs the DOJs interpretation of the statutes definition of producer out of the court |bananna|

|pokefun| Fucking Alice In Wonderland.

And you thought I might have a drug problem.

All this just to placate the religious right wing |angry|

[Jim]

Its so sad.

I just bougt new content from onique and got the ID's from the models.
Everything is there.The girl lives in hollywood, adress and home number everything of the girl is there.

How long before some sick fuck is using this info to harm those girls.

I still can't believe this is really happening.
When we used to buy content for ultracash, it all came that way. We had no idea at first and just threw the pictures online. Yep, we even threw up the ones with the models holding their ids.

[Tommy]

ya wanna hear sad

i got a bunch of ids from a content provider
one of the girls used her mastercard as an id with her drivers license

so i have a picture of this chicks mastercard

[Jim]

Well, it's a start :)
Feel free to link to it saying
"Click Here For Non 2257 Compliant Content"
http://www.javes.com/

And, that is my corporate name so I don't think anyone would have a problem finding me.

[lassiter]

yes but we must "protect the children" at any cost... porn models are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing behind all of this shit.. same as gays and lesbians and women who become pregnant by way of rape

I think a good constitutional law firm might get some major money and notoriety by organizing a class-action privacy suit on behalf of all adult models against the DoJ on the basis of privacy violations and endangerment.

[lassiter]

Well, it's a start :)
Feel free to link to it saying
"Click Here For Non 2257 Compliant Content"
http://www.javes.com/


GASP! Those models on that first page alone look like they might actually be under 40! |devil|

[Greenguy]

Well, it's a start :)
Feel free to link to it saying
"Click Here For Non 2257 Compliant Content"
http://www.javes.com/

And, that is my corporate name so I don't think anyone would have a problem finding me.
Too bad all those pics were shot before 1995 |jester|

[troy]

LOL Jim |jester|

I am glad we still can have a laugh about all this

[Jim]

Still working on it...
I am just throwing all the pictures I have up there. And, I have no idea when they were shot execpt for a few sets that were shot in 1999

[Jim]

Looking for ultrateen content as we speak

[Gumby]

Amazingly it is no longer a crime to be gay in America

In Cortland NY, you can be thrown out of some straight bars if they think you are gay. Even though there is a law on the books that doesn't allow it.

[Bare]

Jim where are your sexually explicit banners?

[F/X2.0]

Well, it's a start :)
Feel free to link to it saying
"Click Here For Non 2257 Compliant Content"
http://www.javes.com/

And, that is my corporate name so I don't think anyone would have a problem finding me.

Dam!!! I wish I had non compliant content that GOOD.... |bow|

[Fonz]

You got a broken image on this page http://www.javes.com/index0024.html |couch|

[mrMagoo]

You got a broken image on this page http://www.javes.com/index0024.html |couch|

That must be the one image he has that actuall is compliant.

[ngb1959]

Just because Tony Blair's nose is buried in George Bush's ass doesn't mean the UK is in America. |satan| :D |devil|


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/ngb1959/animals/SNIFF.gif


Aw, screw it. I'm just gonna put up pictures of pretty flowers and cute puppies and say, if you want porn, click here.

I think I'm gonna make a construction paper chain and count down the days till the 23rd. Kind of like what you do at Christmas.

2257, 2258 - whatever it takes - Michael Keaton - Mr. Mom

[sam]

I invite the authorities to come visit my house for proper documentation. I have none. So come and arrest me so I get the chance to meet the guys from the ACLU personally.

That way, we might actually get an arrest made where the judge can either throw it out or maybe even get to see the supreme court again say, don't fuck with the internet.

We have been through so much worse. We have been through congress making and passing a law stating an adult verification service must be used on all adult sites. The supreme court threw it out. Then they changed the words and the supreme court threw it out again.

Stop with the fucking doom and gloom again. You are putting people out of business instead of your real intention of lining your pockets.

So to the authorities.. I have no documentation. Come and get me cocksuckers.


Awesome |headbang| Jim's the man!

[SlickRick]

I am not worried about it all that much. I am doing what I can to get complienent. All the content was purchased but no docs were never handed over orignally.

Now my question is "IF" they do try to make an example out of someone and is convected, and serve their time are they now a sexual offender and have to register as all the sex offenders have to do?


And while I am on this has anyone not had any luck getting in touch with the people over at matrix content. any one know of a phone number that works? please pm that to me, if they dont want to post it here.

[porndragon]

hell yeah tell em how it is :P