More bad news: .xxx domain approved

[Ms Naughty]

http://news.com.com/Porn-friendly+.xxx+domains+approved/2100-1030_3-5728713.html

"The nonprofit organization responsible for Internet addresses on Wednesday approved ".xxx" domains, a move that reverses the group's earlier position and heads off a potential political spat with conservative U.S. politicians..."

Looks like no preference will be given to the owners of a .com domain :(

[Wazza]

Oh great... just bloody great |shocking|

[cellinis]

"Apart from child pornography, which is completely illegal, we're really not in the content-monitoring business," Lawley said.
Yeah Right.

The betting's on... next legislation that goes through would make it compulsory for all porn sites to be hosted on .xxx domains only |shocking| Well, at least sex.com will be available for taking lol.

Frankly, unless they force all porn sites to get .xxx extensions, what is the whole point in this .xxx thing? I mean I would never willingly buy anything other than a .com personally, I don't know about the rest of you.

[Fonz]

Looks like no preference will be given to the owners of a .com domain :(
If that's the case and if all adult sites have to be on a .XXX a lot of good sites and years of hard work will get lost :(

[Gramma]

"ICM contends the "xxx" Web addresses, which it plans to sell for $60 a year, will protect children from online smut if adult sites voluntarily adopt the suffix so filtering software used by families can more effectively block access to those sites. The $60 price is roughly ten times higher than prices other companies charge for dot-com names.

"It will further help to protect kids," said John Morris, staff counsel at the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology. Morris predicted some adult sites will choose to buy "xxx" Web addresses but others will continue to use dot-com.
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This is a quote from http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050601191209990011&_ccc=5&cid=842
Too bad they won't let the owners of the .com have first dibs on the .xxx - i think we'd voluntarily take the xxx if we could get that. I know I would.

[Cleo]

What is adult content?

How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

What is the meaning of life?

[plateman]

It will further help to protect kids," said John Morris, staff counsel at the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology. Morris predicted some adult sites will choose to buy "xxx" Web addresses but others will continue to use dot-com.

At least we wont loose our .com sites or be forced to desolve them going by what that says...

[MadMax]

There was a time when you had to be a non-profit to get a .org....

[RawAlex]

At $60 per year, they can pretty much kiss my fat white ass.

Alex

[mOrrI]

well let's wait to see what happens :S

[plateman]

At $60 per year, they can pretty much kiss my fat white ass.

Alex
If it's hairy you for forgot to add that - LOL

[Barron]

There isnt a politcian out there that will vote no to legislation to move all Adult Entertainment under the .xxx extention for the "sake of our children".

You can bet your ass that when DNS start resolving the .xxx extention, legislation will introduced and passed by an overwhelming majority.

Start making your plans now folks, by this time next year all you domains are going to be outlawed and worthless. The best you can hope for is somewhere, somehow all the domains you have will be grandfathered to the .xxx extention.

[MadMax]

The sky is not yet falling.

The sky is not yet falling.

The sky is not yet falling.

I'll wait to see how this develops before becoming overly concerned. Sure, I might be inclined pick up the .xxx extension for a major site (and redirect it to the .com), but at $60/year they can kiss my hairy white ass too. The implications of *required* .xxx extensions are much farther reaching than you would think at first glance, and would be a huge burden on all the registrars and hosts as well. Plus, there would have to be sort of regulatory body (with a fuck of a lot more than 7 or 8 people) to review, enforce, blah, blah, blah.

This is one more thing to keep an eye on for sure, but seeing that they're pricing the domains at $60 and in the same breath saying that "some will choose to keep using their .coms" I'm going to just sit back and keep an eye on this. Of course, they'll see a fuckload of sales for highly targeted keywords that have all the standard tlds registered already, such as sex, pussy, voyeur, etc. This will create a huge influx in revenue for ICANN, which I'm sure is their whole point in going along with it.

People who want to protect their kids already have filtering software installed, and you're not going to prevent access to .xxx sites without filtering software, so the net effect of this will be exactly dick in regards to "protecting" anyone.

The sky is not yet falling.

[pornrex]

Yeah but at $60 a pop? That's just wrong.

And furthermore, whatever happened to 'Freedom of Speech'? Unreal. I knew it was a VERY sad day for the "free world" the day that communism collapsed into nothingness. Look at what capitalism has 'evolved' into. It seems everyday more and more of our so-called 'Rights' are being callously violated while our 'Freedoms' are ever so softly being taken away. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a commie by any stretch at all. It just seemed that 'capitalism' behaved more rationally when there was some competition to keep things 'balanced'. Your probably asking "well, what about China?" I honestly feel that China is only communist for the time being. As soon as the old guard dies off they will become a form of capitalism the likes of which we have NEVER seen. I really do hope that America wakes up - and soon. Its like watching a friend trying to get it together. Try as they might you sadly see them deteriorate into a shadow of their former self.
Anyhow, that's my rant for the day. |dizzy|

[swedguy]

There isnt a politcian out there that will vote no to legislation to move all Adult Entertainment under the .xxx extention for the "sake of our children".

You can bet your ass that when DNS start resolving the .xxx extention, legislation will introduced and passed by an overwhelming majority.

Start making your plans now folks, by this time next year all you domains are going to be outlawed and worthless. The best you can hope for is somewhere, somehow all the domains you have will be grandfathered to the .xxx extention.
Get real.

USA is not the world and USA is not the Internet.

[Barron]

Get real.

USA is not the world and USA is not the Internet.


Wasnt that the same general feeling we all had about the proposed 2257 regs last year? Everyone had the opinion "this is stupid, they cant do that". But none-the-less, they did it!

I wouldnt discount my prediction just yet.


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[GunnCat]

I emailed Stuart Lawley President, ICM Registry Inc. with this question:
"I just saw a piece on this new top level domain name on CNN and I am wondering when it will be available to begin purchasing domains?"
His reply:
"We will be expecting names to go on General Sale to members of the Community in the 4th Quarter of 2005. Prior to that there will be a period whereby potential registrants that have Intellectual Property interests in specific names can come forward to register that interest in those names and such names will be equitably allocated and subject to a recognized dispute resolution policy , where more than one party makes a claim over a particular domain name. There will be continual updates on our website containing plenty of notice to make sure all would-be registrants have appropriate time to prepare and make any necessary."

[Barron]

I emailed Stuart Lawley President, ICM Registry Inc. with this question:
"I just saw a piece on this new top level domain name on CNN and I am wondering when it will be available to begin purchasing domains?"
His reply:
"We will be expecting names to go on General Sale to members of the Community in the 4th Quarter of 2005. Prior to that there will be a period whereby potential registrants that have Intellectual Property interests in specific names can come forward to register that interest in those names and such names will be equitably allocated and subject to a recognized dispute resolution policy , where more than one party makes a claim over a particular domain name. There will be continual updates on our website containing plenty of notice to make sure all would-be registrants have appropriate time to prepare and make any necessary."


Whew.... thats reassuring! I get to eat crow today.. My prediction of worthless domains is wrong.

Now we wait and see if the US government forces all Adult Entertainment to the .xxx extention.


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[Cleo]

Wasnt that the same general feeling we all had about the proposed 2257 regs last year? Everyone had the opinion "this is stupid, they cant do that". But none-the-less, they did it!

They haven't done anything except to say that some dumb law has been passed.

Wake me up when the powers to be actually start seizing servers or go to other countries and start trying to arrest people. They might as well tell Fonz that he is no longer allowed to have sex with Cheetos.

The government could never make all adult websites switch to xxx domains unless they were first able to decide what is actually considered adult.

[swedguy]

Wasnt that the same general feeling we all had about the proposed 2257 regs last year? Everyone had the opinion "this is stupid, they cant do that". But none-the-less, they did it!

I wouldnt discount my prediction just yet.


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Please define "we".

[Cleo]

|skyfall|

[RawAlex]

actually dumb law wasn't passed, the admin branch re-wrote the law but didn't bother to get it through the house, the senate, and signed by the president.

oh yeah, the ass is slightly hairy too... so they can kiss that bit as well.

Alex

[Barron]

|skyfall|


Lets see, that means. Fuck you, and you sky is falling post?


Such passion for a rant and prediction that will probably never happen.


By tomorrow I will probably have forgotten that you disagree, but I doubt seriously I will forget the "Fuck you" part.


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[Jim]

That is piss poor news.

[rollergirl]

I love the part that says, many webmasters will buy the xxx extention, and the problem people will continue to buy up the .coms with keywords that appeal to the kiddles.

Sweet mother of meat.. where do I begin...... |angry|

[N J]

They talked about .xxx since 2000 and the reason it never went online is that it's impossible to demand all adult sites to be on .xxx domains - what about country domains etc...etc...

.com are here to stay

my 5c

[Bill]

I love the implied threat in the $60 price tag.

Why would any sane person pay 6 to 8 times the normal price for an .xxx domain?

Only out of fear that the government will pass laws stealing the property of honest adult webmasters!

There is no other reasonable explanation for such a high price, beyond fear-mongering and the threat of a religous policestate act of government theft.

Of course, ICANN is just doing this to try to make some big profits off of webmaster fear.

[ngb1959]

What is adult content?

How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

What is the meaning of life?


You forgot ....

How big is a bread box ??


|pink |pink |pink
Nina

[Rui]

this is a joke...in many many aspects

Would like to know which parties are supporting this crap...

[Linkster]

First off - the people that will profit off of this is the company that started this whole campaign saying that they represented the adult industries interests and this was the "will" of the industry - in reality it was the will of a company that will sell the domains (not ICANN) that will profit from all of this.

Secondly - and most importantly - its all voluntary - no one will tell you you have to use a different domain tld - unless you let your congressmen vote a law into effect that would allow that - and then it would only affect US domain owners - of course the Canadian company that will make all of this profit from this approval is sitting back laughing that no representative of the real adult industry came forward and said - no this is not what we want during the public comment period.

[pornrex]

A buddy of mine told me that his friend campaigned really hard for .xxx for about 2 years now. I never took him seriously until today :(

[Cleo]

To be honest I would probably get a xxx domain if one with my main link list domain was available just to have it in addition to all the type-ins variations that I already have for my LL.

[Ms Naughty]

Gunncat, thanks so much for emailing the ICANN guy. His reply is reassuring.

In terms of how much power the US gov has over domains... there's been discussion before that .com is governed by Georgia (I think?). I'm not sure if that will make a difference, as I think most people consider "dot-com" to be the universal, non-geographical domain.

$60 is outrageous, but I'd rather pay the extortion money than miss out on a few vital domains...

[Bill]

ICM I guess.

http://www.icmregistry.com/html/for_main_factsheet.html

Sorry Linkster, but I will continue to think ICANN equally cheesey in this matter. I've never been particularly fond of ICANN in the past, and this does nothing to improve my opinion.

Why the sudden interest on ICANN's part in approving new TLDs? Did we really need a .trav and an .xxx?

[Agent]

Well, what I see as a potential problem is some ISPs refusing to resolve .XXX domains. Imagine if a large ISP began blocking all access to these domains, or began charging their customers more for access to them.

We filter XXX websites so you don't have to!

A lovely, potential money making feature to market.

[GunnCat]

Actually I was reading that $60 is the wholesale price before it goes through a vendor. They are saying a markup would be added from those parties, so expect anywhere from $60 up.

[ed146]

$60 is unreasonable. They would literally have to make this conversion mandatory to see any result. Otherwise I will not spend 60 bucks. Also, there is talk about making it mandatory since it would allow parents to control .xxx to be prevented from showing on their browsers.

[Wazza]

A dot whatever (kid, cld, u18) containing contents deemed suitable to <18 people would've been so much simpler.

But what the fuck would I know...

|dizzy|

[Fido]

This is one big bullshit. I can imagine myself just one option, how can this .xxx TLD be successful. If major SEs (from therir choice or forced by government) would start prioritizing sites based on such a domains.

You guys from US, no offence, but when I am reading something about 2257 or about this .xxx TLD, it always came to my mind one story I am hearing very often. It is about some woman in US, who sued out big $$$ on microwave oven manufacturer. She dried out her wet cat in her MW oven and guess what ... the cat has died. The problem was that it was not written in the manual that you can not dry out animals in that oven. And I always wanted to know if this story is true or not.

Anyways - it looks like there is some presumption in your law that all people are stupid idiots and whatever will be served to them must count with this.

[GunnCat]

I don't know if that's true or not, but a guy sucessfully sued a RV manufacturer because he put cruise control on and went back to make a cup of coffee in his brand new RV. Naturally the RV swerved off the highway and crashed. I guess he confused cruise control with auto pilot which though often seen in science fiction movies isn't something developed for civilian road vehicals(yet).
Also, someone fried their poodle in a microwave about 20 years ago. I think they lived in Long Island. Or maybe I was on the Island when I heard it.

[SirMoby]

Well, what I see as a potential problem is some ISPs refusing to resolve .XXX domains. Imagine if a large ISP began blocking all access to these domains, or began charging their customers more for access to them.

We filter XXX websites so you don't have to!

A lovely, potential money making feature to market.
If it works then ISPs will eventually start charging extra for allowing access to adult domains. Imagine every surfer that you see at a TGP has requested or paid extra to surf for porn already.

Then you'd start seeing commercials, "Get NetAdult access for just $9.95. There's no extra charge for searching sex sites".

2257, .xxx and this week's request to gain access to Internet records without notifying anyone. See a pattern?

[Mishi]

First off - the people that will profit off of this is the company that started this whole campaign saying that they represented the adult industries interests and this was the "will" of the industry - in reality it was the will of a company that will sell the domains (not ICANN) that will profit from all of this.

Secondly - and most importantly - its all voluntary - no one will tell you you have to use a different domain tld - unless you let your congressmen vote a law into effect that would allow that - and then it would only affect US domain owners - of course the Canadian company that will make all of this profit from this approval is sitting back laughing that no representative of the real adult industry came forward and said - no this is not what we want during the public comment period.


Well said. This is not political - YET. (At least, not openly.) Right now this is about profits. But you can bet your booty that once the .xxx TLD is in common use, the arbiters of morality will do everything in their power to ghettoize adult content.

[GonZo]

There isnt a politcian out there that will vote no to legislation to move all Adult Entertainment under the .xxx extention for the "sake of our children".

You can bet your ass that when DNS start resolving the .xxx extention, legislation will introduced and passed by an overwhelming majority.

Start making your plans now folks, by this time next year all you domains are going to be outlawed and worthless. The best you can hope for is somewhere, somehow all the domains you have will be grandfathered to the .xxx extention.

The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!
FREE CONFUCY!!!

[Mishi]

A dot whatever (kid, cld, u18) containing contents deemed suitable to <18 people would've been so much simpler.

But what the fuck would I know...

|dizzy|

That's crazy talk. Everybody knows the Internets were made for kids, and all that pesky adult stuff just gets in the way of good, clean fun! |clown|

[Mishi]

You guys from US, no offence, but when I am reading something about 2257 or about this .xxx TLD, it always came to my mind one story I am hearing very often. It is about some woman in US, who sued out big $$$ on microwave oven manufacturer. She dried out her wet cat in her MW oven and guess what ... the cat has died. The problem was that it was not written in the manual that you can not dry out animals in that oven. And I always wanted to know if this story is true or not.

I don't know if that's true or not, but a guy sucessfully sued a RV manufacturer because he put cruise control on and went back to make a cup of coffee in his brand new RV. Naturally the RV swerved off the highway and crashed. I guess he confused cruise control with auto pilot which though often seen in science fiction movies isn't something developed for civilian road vehicals(yet).
Also, someone fried their poodle in a microwave about 20 years ago. I think they lived in Long Island. Or maybe I was on the Island when I heard it.

Snopes is your friend:

Horrors: The Microwaved Pet (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/micropet.htm)

Automobilies: Cruise (Un)Control (http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp)

[GunnCat]

Snopes is your friend:

Horrors: The Microwaved Pet (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/micropet.htm)

Automobilies: Cruise (Un)Control (http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp)

|greenguy|

[Fido]

Snopes is your friend:

Horrors: The Microwaved Pet (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/micropet.htm)

Automobilies: Cruise (Un)Control (http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp)Cool site, thanks Mishi :) They wrote that this microwave story is of indeterminate origin (actually both of them), but if that woman would sue out some $$$ in the past then thay would probably know it, so it is rather false in my version.

[HpicAnn]

That is not good it says that it should be avaliable for the end of the year...

[Linkster]

Why isnt it good - for those that wanted the change its a good thing - just like the new hotel and travel top level domains that got approved at the same time - nothing about this is mandatory - all voluntary if ya want to use them - although if you really have nothing better to do with $60 per domain Ive got some real junkers you can have for that much :)

[terry]

I love porn!

[noooze]

i hate the USA. well not all ppl. alot of good christians out there gets lonely after a whole day of prayer and go buy porn.

but i will refuse to accept and obay any laws from the us. shitty fucking stupid goverment and stupid stupid president! All those laws that makes life a hell for us. Gald i'm not living in the us and therefor just can say fuck it :D

[Ms Naughty]

http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164300265
"New Domains For Sex Sites Could Foster Greater Legitimacy"

This article goes on with a lot of very dubious arguments in support of .xxx

Also has this corker of a paragraph:

Another advantage for industry participants and customers would be better data-collection practices. "Right now, if you go to a porn site, they sell your name to anybody and everybody," she says. "That's how they make their money. It's a huge part of their business model. But building privacy and security into .XXX sites will play a large part in regularizing that industry."

[Wenchy]

As I said in another thread on this board, this whole idea is utterly ridiculous. Here's a quick newsflash:

The United States Government DOES NOT HAVE the power to police the Internet beyond its own borders!

Until some governmental genius (can you say "oxymoron"?) comes forward and explains how in the blue fuck they intend to master world-wide compliance, I am not interesting in paying $60 a year for anything they suggest.

These idiots can't see outside the box... stifle US webmasters, and you're opening a varitable Pandora's Box of porn that even we WMs deem unacceptable from all the countries we've been trying to lock out!

Okay I'm ranting here... this has been a shit day all the way around and I guess I needed an outlet. Sorry if I offended anyone... not my intention at all. |peace|

[nekrom]

I've said it elsewere and I'm saying it again.

They can fly down here and gently tounge my moist anus, if they think I'm going to drop everything and start all over on xxx TLD's.

-N