Drugging girls? wtf

[natalie]

http://www.ilovemyteens.com/sleeping-bitch/free-pics/

WHats your take on this guys? To me it is r4pe and I am not listing it! It doesnt matter that its obviously setup blah balh blah.

[Useless]

Estdomains, the choice of degenerate scum.

It's rape by any definition. That's one fantasy I'm unwilling to consider.

"Girls are finally unable to resist this frenzy! They can neither cry nor twitch, nor yell nor show any resistance signs! They are totally defenseless cause they are deep asleep! They don’t even know what happened to them! And they’ll never know that cause they are nothing, but sleeping whores..."

[Cleo]

It's rape, blacklist, castrate if possible, next.

[stuveltje]

It's rape, blacklist, castrate if possible, next.i dont agree but thats my personal opinion, its fantasy, ...hell its fake, same as the sleeping tushy thing

[Yell]

It's rape, blacklist, castrate if possible, next.

I am with Cleo on that |banghead|
Thats nasty shit |angry|

[stuveltje]

i have seen the same at gay sites, a guy sleepig geting an finger in his ass and he didnt react ...............fake but then he was gay and he probably liked it

[natalie]

sleeping and drugging are also two different things tho

[Ramster]

Agreed, not good to promote that IMHO.

[sue-fl]

That is bad stuff to promote! Even if it is fake the whole concept behind is just wrong. |angry|

[MadMax]

That's a blacklist as soon as I get to it in the review que. I've already had to BL a couple other submitters for repeatedly submitting that crap after I consistently declined it and told them why. Obviously it's set up, but IMO on stuff like that it's the crowd you're targeting that needs to be considered, not whether or not the content is or isn't what it's promoted as.

[Cleo]

i dont agree but thats my personal opinion, its fantasy, ...hell its fake, same as the sleeping tushy thing
So snuff and kp would be ok as long as it is only simulated???

WTF Stu :(

[stuveltje]

So snuff and kp would be ok as long as it is only simulated???

WTF Stu :(yeah i know what you mean Cleo no its not good, but hell i have to take that seriouse on that page? we dont have to agree what all is bin said here, i have 2 feelings here.........1...hell its fake, second, have you ever seen it in real...i did....you would expect i would react worserthen now...........on that site i have an feeling its fake........like all the porn is fake, oh yeah see those girls smile to the camera when they fuck , hell i wont smile to an camera when i am having sex, all is fake, oke no compare thing ...but i dont realy know what to think about this, like i say...oke not good, i agree with you all, but on the other hand its fake..........as soon i would find out its no fake i wouldnt agree with it, but oke, what about the sleepy sex thing then? what is it called, sleeping tushy , hell i can say that not right, but then hell who wouldnt know they get abused in their sleep, more to compair, the drunken section.....some one who is realy drunken dont know eiter what is happening....its also abusing to me...so where to draw the line....dead drunken or drugged...who list drunken sites here?

[stuveltje]

to get further here, no i am not that person i would promoot that , but drunken and drugged.........same for me in both cases they dont know what is happening, and i know drunken sites will get listed. So thats why my answer... i dont see a reason to blacklist that...it depend on the pics and the text, because if i should be blacklisting that i should blacklisting all the drunken sites too...just my opinion

[Cleo]

I promote porn that involves consenting adults.

This porn is not about consenting adults. It is about drugging someone and sexually assaulting them.

[stuveltje]

I promote porn that involves consenting adults.

This porn is not about consenting adults. It is about drugging someone and sexually assaulting them.
oke so someone who is drunk is different, those drunk sites is the topic ,...the woman is drunk and dont notice what is going on and they arent abuse ? cleo do you list drunk sites? drunk and drugged you can compair as same thing..., Cleo i am agreeing with you, i wont promoot it but i also dont see an reason to blacklist it.

[Cleo]

Drugging them or assaulting someone who did some drugs on their own (alcohol is a drug) and passed out is still assault.

No I do not list drunk sites where people are passed out. I do list sites where people are drinking and having fun and may be a bit drunk but not sites where someone is passed out.

What's next, sexually encounters at the comatose ward of your local hospital?

[Mr. Blue]

oke so someone who is drunk is different, those drunk sites is the topic ,...the woman is drunk and dont notice what is going on and they arent abuse ? cleo do you list drunk sites? drunk and drugged you can compair as same thing..., Cleo i am agreeing with you, i wont promoot it but i also dont see an reason to blacklist it.

It's all fake. Nothing in Porn is real. With that said, it's a sick concept. Even if it's completely fake (which it is) it still shouldn't be listed anywhere. I kinda don't condone feeding into a fetish that would be illegal if it were real.

[stuveltje]

Drugging them or assaulting someone who did some drugs on their own (alcohol is a drug) and passed out is still assault.

No I do not list drunk sites where people are passed out. I do list sites where people are drinking and having fun and my be a bit drunk but not sites where someone is passed out.

What's next, sexually encounters at the comatose ward of your local hospital?dont freak out because someone isnt agreed with you, you still list drunk sites even they dont past out, drunk sites is the same like getting someone slowly past out btw even you get realy drunk you dont have to pass out, hell if your drunk ones you know what i mean, so whats the problem? i say i dont blacklist those, like i said...it depends on the pics and text, i have respect for yours and the rest who said blacklist....i have my own opinion and that one depends on the text and pics........and like i said i wont promoot it myself, but realy i am not gonna freak out at every niche i see, i need to freak out all day then...just my opinion....Miss Cleo with all the respect to you |bow|

[Greenguy]

Fake or not - some guy shoves a thumb up your ass, you're gonna wake up :D

[stuveltje]

Fake or not - some guy shoves a thumb up your ass, you're gonna wake up :Dhahahahahah yeah i thought so, still i doubt when he is gay if he wakes up then:D

[RawAlex]

If he wasn't gay before someone shoved a thumb up his ass, he could be when he wakes up.

Non consentual sex is rape, no doubt about it. Ask a lawyer, even a dumb one will agree.

Alex

[stuveltje]

If he wasn't gay before someone shoved a thumb up his ass, he could be when he wakes up.

Non consentual sex is rape, no doubt about it. Ask a lawyer, even a dumb one will agree.

Alexi agree then the drunk niche is also:D stu---->>>> gonna hide herself in china now...she sees Cleo after her already with an baseball batt trying to hit her ...because stu is stubburn and a pain in da ass:D

[natalie]

I am the same as Cleo with drunk sites, it all depends on the content and wording. If they are passed out or close to then no way I will list it. Even sometimes if its worded as getting a girl pissed so she lets you fuck her I get a bit funny about it.

[Halfdeck]

According to some, even getting paid to have sex is a form of rape.

[stuveltje]

I am the same as Cleo with drunk sites, it all depends on the content and wording. If they are passed out or close to then no way I will list it. Even sometimes if its worded as getting a girl pissed so she lets you fuck her I get a bit funny about it.
well i am the same with all the niches so also this one, it depends on the text and pics...................all porn is fake..........stu--------->>>> hiding now for natalie btw all the sites i see which is niche drunk i only see "give them some booze and they do anything you want"

[natalie]

According to some, even getting paid to have sex is a form of rape.

I don't get it??

[stuveltje]

I don't get it??
ahummmmmmm i didnt say that :D halfdeck your turn.............grin stu<----laughing and hiding ofcourse, still looking for Cleo who wanna hit her:D

[Halfdeck]

I don't get it??

Not my personal opinion (ok let me cop out here, lol) but some say when you throw money or power into the mix, the value of someone's "consent" becomes highly questionable.

Ask a republican, they probably can explain it better.

EDIT: A quick example is someone agreeing to sleep with her boss in fear that refusing will lead to losing her job.

[natalie]

Oh ok I see what your getting at. However I can't say I have that opinion either. We all have choices.

[stuveltje]

Not my personal opinion (ok let me cop out here, lol) but some say when you throw money or power into the mix, the value of someone's "consent" becomes highly questionable.

Ask a republican, they probably can explain it better.

EDIT: A quick example is someone agreeing to sleep with her boss in fear that refusing will lead to losing her job.WOW stu<---is getting her dictionary and find all the words she doesnt understand, but she knows halfdeck is telling some thruth (thrut damnnnn word, looking into dictionary .....)here....Stu ----->>> still hiding:D

[stuveltje]

Oh ok I see what your getting at. However I can't say I have that opinion either. We all have choices.
we also know some make the wrong choises in other peoples eyes, but they take those choises to survive..... checking dictionary to see if i said that right:D

[stuveltje]

oke this thread is goingthe wrong side, just to cut it clear with all the respect to the other linksites owners or free sites owners....its a bad niche ............Stu<----- keeps wisely her mouth shut about her opinion, because she already told that on the board :D and she is still hiding for baseball bat Cleo:D

[Fido]

I personally do not like such a fetish, but I could understand Stu's point of view. As long as it is fake and it does not harm anyone (THIS is the difference from KP, Cleo)...

[stuveltje]

oh nice i am banned from my own bedroom, now i have to sleep on that sofa thing because i stayed to long behind my puter...your fauld Cleo, you answered me back and needed to answer you back..................i cant get in my own bedroom......i am gonna walk away from home |cry| oh well an whole night working for me then :D bin a long time i did that....marathone(or whatever) working:D

[Stouch]

You should all take note of what Useless Warrior said about Estdomains. A good 99% of domains registered there redirect or pull nasty shit.

[stuveltje]

You should all take note of what Useless Warrior said about Estdomains. A good 99% of domains registered there redirect or pull nasty shit.
oh i always look at what UW sais:D but i may give my own opinion:D

[stuveltje]

stil i need to sleep on the sofa thing..............damnnn 2.40 mdnight here, oh why i made that agreement...if i dont go the same time to bed as my hubby i agree i am banned from the bedroom............damnnn i am nuts.........gonna find me a nice place on the sofa to sleep................damnnn guys ##$%%%###$

[Lemmy]

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.

[Fido]

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, that similarity with horros and thrillers came to my mind also.

[natalie]

For those who do want to blacklist it the IP is 212.46.211.98

[natalie]

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.
Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged. Thats a big difference.

[Fido]

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged. Thats a big difference.
No, it is not ok, but watching it brings you some kind of pleasure, this is common for both movies and free sites. And when we are speaking about torture, are you sure you or other people here who think that free site is worth to be banned do not list torture sites? Where is the difference?

[Jim]

Fake or not - some guy shoces a thumb up your ass, you're gonna wake up :D

You didn't :)

[Lemmy]

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged.Agreed, and I don't think this website legitimizes or encourages drug induced rape. If that were the case I'd probably reject it too. It caters to a particular fantasy. Some might find it repulsive, others enticing. Just because you have a fantasy doesn't mean you actually want to go out and perform the act. Isn't this ultimately what porn is all about; catering to people's fantasies?

[Useless]

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.

[Mr. Blue]

catering to people's fantasies?

I think there's a point though that you have to be careful in crossing. There's a lot of people with sexual urges and fantasies that go to that illegal side.

[Toni KatVixen]

I've been following this thread and trying to decide how & if I was going to respond.

But I believe Useless expressed some of the thoughts I had very well.

I do not believe in promoting non-consensual sex. As a female I find those sites extremely sicking & messed up. It is sites like that bring down the heat on the rest of us. Cuz some crazy fucker will follow that "fantasy" and some poor woman will pay the price & then the link to “porn” will come out.

That is not porn, that is nauseating.

[spookyx]

Hunt them down..... stick an ice pick in the back of his head

|spook

[MrYum]

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.
Slammed with work here so haven't been posting...

But, just read this thread...and thought UW's post was worth repeating...

Folks, we sell fantasy here...fantasy amongst CONSENTING adults. If someone is drugged, passed out, or in some way incapacitated...it's NOT consensual...period.

Yes, I realize the site in question isn't real...but why even feed the sick fucking twisted ass fantasy of non-consensual sex???

This one would definitely be an insta BAN on my list |angry|

[Kinky]

it's called date rape and it is highly illegal... you can go to a bar and drink with a girl, if you slip something in her drink and bang her when she is passed out you are raping her

[Fido]

You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.
Many people assume that people aroused by rape fantasies must be more likely than others to commit the actual act, or that victims with rape fantasies actually want to become victims of sexual assault. This does not correspond with observed scientific evidence, however; while rapists usually fantasize about rape, so do normal psychologically healthy people.

In fact, an inability to use sexual fantasies for gratification is often regarded by law enforcement and other professionals as a more alarming warning sign than the presence of sexual fantasies of rape or sadism. Millions of normal people fantasize about rape, or being raped without wanting it to happen in reality.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Sexual_fantasy

[Mishi]

Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.

[Fido]

Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.Mishi, I am sorry, but I can not find that line you are talking about between the site what started this thread and BDSM sites listed at your LL, with descriptions like "Kidnapped slave girl is tied and gagged in ropes" or "Pussy punishment of poor beautiful girl in bondage". These does not sound very consensual to me. I am asking, where do you see such a difference to say this one will be banned and the second ones listed? If I would use UW's words I can talk about kidnapped girls who were held long months and even years by sick bastards. I will not do it. There is no doubt that rape and kidnapping are the worst crimes, even worse than murder in some cases. But these free sites are about sexual fantasies that normal healthy people have (proven fact) so I see no reason to ban them.

From my point of view I found much more harmful pregnant niche and I am seriously thinking to remove it from my LL.

[Greenguy]

You didn't :)I did hear you whisper "It's not gay if you don't push back" so I was awake :D

[stuveltje]

I did hear you whisper "It's not gay if you don't push back" so I was awake :Di dont think i wanna know the story behind that :D

[Cleo]

Damn, now I'm going to have this image of Jim's thumb up Greenie's ass as he whispers in his ear. :(

[stuveltje]

Damn, now I'm going to have this image of Jim's thumb up Greenie's ass as he whispers in his ear. :(
why did you had to tell that........... :D i am blind now

[Cleo]

What is even worse is I've always thought that Jim's avatar looks like a thumb with a face.

[stuveltje]

What is even worse is I've always thought that Jim's avatar looks like a thumb with a face.hahahahah oke i bett ya all are now looking at Jims avatar :D btw i just checked myself........it is |dizzy|

[Cleo]

Guess the real question is does Greenguy ask Jim to give him some face when he visits.

[stuveltje]

Guess the real question is does Greenguy ask Jim to give him some face when he visits.
no no no dont say that because now i have an totally different image in my head..............stu <---- thinking needs to think of funny things now |cry|

[Greenguy]

Damn, now I'm going to have this image of Jim's thumb up Greenie's ass as he whispers in his ear. :(Be sure to add in Jim's whiskey & cigarette breath on the back of my neck :D

[Cleo]

I may have to take an ice pick to my brain

[Mishi]

Mishi, I am sorry, but I can not find that line you are talking about between the site what started this thread and BDSM sites listed at your LL, with descriptions like "Kidnapped slave girl is tied and gagged in ropes" or "Pussy punishment of poor beautiful girl in bondage". These does not sound very consensual to me. I am asking, where do you see such a difference to say this one will be banned and the second ones listed? If I would use UW's words I can talk about kidnapped girls who were held long months and even years by sick bastards. I will not do it. There is no doubt that rape and kidnapping are the worst crimes, even worse than murder in some cases. But these free sites are about sexual fantasies that normal healthy people have (proven fact) so I see no reason to ban them.

From my point of view I found much more harmful pregnant niche and I am seriously thinking to remove it from my LL.

Fido,

I get where you're coming from - I really do. This is not a simple topic and we can't find simple answers. I don't know if we can find ANY answers. I just hope we can all keep the topic open for discussion.

I pay close attention to the content and descriptions of the bondage and BDSM sites I receive. BDSM involves totally consensual power transference, and that's a known in the BDSM community. I recognize that people outside of the community may not realize this, and I try to keep that in mind. It is a fine line. I recognize that. And I appreciate hearing your point of view. Ultimately, I have to listen to MY gut reaction.

I have so much more I would like to say on this, but I can't sum it all up in a board post. There's an article churning away in my head now.

[Fido]

Fido,

I get where you're coming from - I really do. This is not a simple topic and we can't find simple answers. I don't know if we can find ANY answers. I just hope we can all keep the topic open for discussion.I totally agree, Mishi. And this is is why I joined this highly controversial thread. There are no simple answers to start witch-hunt. Btw, I would like to state that this kind of fetish does not mean anything to me personally, it has something to do, like you said, with a free speech online.