OK... There's a prize on offer for

[JoeA]

guessing the reason this gallery was rejected:

http://www.saharagetsdirty.com/TGP/12/10012.htm

All I can say is.. I pissed in my pants with laughter when I read the rejection email..

The dumbest answer could be the one.. So please try. The prize is... ????

[emmanuelle]

For passing off a lebanese girl as Indian?

:-D

[JoeA]

Ummm... No because Sahara is Anglo Indian... And I hope that was a joke about her being Lebanese :)

I can promise you no one, unless they work for the site who rejected it, will ever get the answer.. It really is the dumbest and best ever

[amadman]

maybe because the one video looking thing is not linked to a video?

[ronnie]

I was going to say the vid graphic not being linked also.

That Sari is not a real word?

Hey, whats the prize?

The top pics look like thumbs but are not linked? .html page instead of .html?

ronnie

[MrMaryLou]

Lack of nudity

[Brav]

Either not enough nudity or a misleading banner (blind link).

[Useless]

Reason1- The image map is all fucked up in Firefox. It looks fine, but I can click all day and not get the first video.

Reason2- Recips are on the bottom. I'm amused by submitters who think that those ugly recips are mucking up their beautiful page design.

Reason3- See MML's response.

[Brav]

Or you forgot to add the maps location for map61 and therfore there were only 2 movies when 3 is required

[Head Boy]

You've mis-spelt her name - the Sahara is a desert and not a girl. :D

[HappySmut]

maybe for improper meta tags?

<meta NAME="Generator" CONTENT="Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7">

lol

[Head Boy]

You're using the file name "msbanner1.gif" and Microsoft has everything with ms in it trademarked (including scams :) ).

[Useless]

Did I win anything yet? Joe? Are you there Joe?

[JoeA]

Mr MaryLou....

Sahara is a porn star as this listing: http://www.bgafd.co.uk/actresses/details.php/id/s0288 So why is there a need for nudity, when under 18's can access the 1000's of free sites on the net any way...

I did fuck up with the links to two of the clips but that wasn't mentioned in the rejection...

The recips at the bottom of the page aren't a problem as they are in view to the surfer when he see's the bottom of the gallery. He doesn't need to scroll down further.

As for recips being at the top as some sites DEMAND... I'm new to this side of the biz and I'd like to know why DEMAND ? Galleries are only listed for a short while yet remain live for a lot longer, so why should they be at the top. List a gallery permanently and your link can be at the top. We are trying to sell our pay sites and not promote listing sites.

One of the first lessons I learned when I started in the avs biz in Feb '99.... Don't have any banners to other sites on a tour in view to a surfer... Point him in one direction... Inside the site... So any banners I've used for other sites have always gone at the bottom of my pages since then :) Having a small script link is good for se relevancy. Any that I might use on my sites at the bottom of a page are to other sites of mine, which have good listings :)

[Kezza]

I am sure you have learnt a lot of things since you started... but a good thing to keep in mind... and you might like to write down in that list of things you have learnt...

If you want to get free traffic from someone... its best to follow his/her rules :D

[Ramster]

As for recips being at the top as some sites DEMAND... I'm new to this side of the biz and I'd like to know why DEMAND ? Galleries are only listed for a short while yet remain live for a lot longer, so why should they be at the top. List a gallery permanently and your link can be at the top. We are trying to sell our pay sites and not promote listing sites.



I'd bet if you could do a study you'd find more people click recips at the bottom than at the top.

When a surfer enters a gallery page they are looking for pics. They are not going to click the recip button at the top before looking for pics. As the surfer makes his/her way down the page looking at more pics they finally reach the bottom and you have either have a banner to the paysite or recip links to "more free porn". Hello recips, off they go.

I could be wrong of course :)

[RawAlex]

Joe, perhaps because you are showing a windows media player, which would make the clips appear not to be available for mac users?

Or perhaps the extra link off to your site on the copyright notice?

Lack of a 2257 notice?

Alex

[Useless]

Galleries are only listed for a short while yet remain live for a lot longer, so why should they be at the top. List a gallery permanently and your link can be at the top.
There are many TGPs that list galleries permanently on their archive pages. I list submitted gals on my TGP forever and ever on my category pages and rotate them daily. They only get deleted if they 404, redirect or the submitter calls me bad names on the board. (Hey, I'm being honest)


We are trying to sell our pay sites and not promote listing sites.
We're trying to promote our sites, not your paysites, so I guess we'll need to find a way to make it work for each other. We all took acception to some of the rules when we started, but once you just accept the system, it all flows nicely.

[JoeA]

Alex

I posted the reason above your last post...

There wasn't enough nudity.... DUH.

All my galleries in the TGP folder have the same info on them and have been accepted. As I live in the UK a 2257 is not needed but the information is available on the main site any way :)

Warrior

Regarding the permanent listing of galleries by you and others... There is a simple answer...

Sign up as an affiliate to sites. When yo move a gallery to the archive, you could change the link to include your affiliate id, then you will make money that way.. :)

[Cleo]

You should start your own TGP and then you could have the rules just the way you like them.

How exactly would you propose that we would be able to change the affiliate code on a gallery?

[JoeA]

As I don't run TGP's I don't know how your scripts are run, so I can't answer that question... It was an idea to help you who do run them make some money another way..

There must be a scripts guru who could come up with an idea of how to add the id :)

[Cleo]

I know that you do not run a TGP, it shows in the ignorance of your posts.

The only way to change the code on a gallery is to login to their server and change it. Ok, give me your FTP login info so I can go into your server now and change your codes to mine, all of them.

[frankthetank]

I'd bet if you could do a study you'd find more people click recips at the bottom than at the top.

When a surfer enters a gallery page they are looking for pics. They are not going to click the recip button at the top before looking for pics. As the surfer makes his/her way down the page looking at more pics they finally reach the bottom and you have either have a banner to the paysite or recip links to "more free porn". Hello recips, off they go.

I could be wrong of course :)

i think you are right. i counted clicks on some sites and bottom links are much more often clicked... |thumb

[frankthetank]

I know that you do not run a TGP, it shows in the ignorance of your posts.

The only way to change the code on a gallery is to login to their server and change it. Ok, give me your FTP login info so I can go into your server now and change your codes to mine, all of them.

Nice idea, but I would prefer keeping my links in my galleries. Archieved galleries aren´t so bad, are they?

[JoeA]

Aren't the links listed on your site... Therefore they are on your server...

If you could add the affiliate id as I suggested then it would be carried through to the main site if you were an affiliate to a site who use CCBill as a cookie is dropped on the surfers pc... I even have mine set to 14 days, so if a surfer comes back within this time, the affiliate receives the credit.

I won't make derogatory remarks to you about being ignorant, as you obviously aren't a pay site owner and so wouldn't be expected know this. I don't know how tgp's are run except for the use of trading scripts to send surfers everywhere but where they want to go more often than not :)

You could simply have replied that there isn't a script for this, without being insulting and patronising :)

[Cleo]

It would be stealing to change someone's affiliate code to yours even if this was possible. Links to your galleries are on my server. The ads in your galleries with your affiliate code are on your sever.

BTW I do run a paysite, see my sig.

[Useless]

|popcorn|
This could get rough.

[Head Boy]

Joe, there are some well established concepts that have evolved and would probably stand up in a court of law. You must always remember that the traffic on the tgp circuit belongs to the tgps and not the gallery submitters. Many tgps get thousands of submissions every day, and they have to select a few from this mass (most of which break their rules). In addition, they have to guard against cheaters that steal traffic and install malware to change affiliate link codes and things like dialers. It is a privilege and not a right to even get a tgp owner to look at your gallery, let alone list it.

There are also some rules about surfers visiting your pages. The surfer belongs to the TGP until he clicks on your site. That click is then yours, but you mustn't do anything to interfere with the surfers computer, or to make it difficult for him to exit back to the invoking page. This means that you can't re-direct incoming surfers, you can only geo-select their outgoing links (and some sites don't like that either).

[JoeA]

Sorry, but it seems that I do need to stoop to your level, and to say that you are now showing your ignorance !!!

I own the site and therefore do not need to have an id in links to my own galleries. The galleries are hosted by me for my affiliates etc !!!

That's why I said that you should sign up as an affiliate and then you could legally add your id to any galleries listed in the archives... I couldn't give a flying f**k if you changed my original links to include your id, if I submit a site, and so helping you earn 50% of a sale. To me 50% of a sale is better than no sale :)

So... All you have to do is look at my sig and see that it's not one that an affiliate would use, but that of the webmaster who owns the site...

Your turn... :)

[Cleo]

We are talking about submitted galleries not sponsor hosted galleries that we add in ourselves. If you want to build and submit galleries then you need to follow the list site's rules. Their traffic, their site, their rules, it is not a democracy. It doesn't matter if you are the paysite owner or not. If you are submitted stuff you are just a submitter.

If you would like to start a thread about sponsor hosted galleries feel free to or just use one of the existing ones.

BTW is is ok to link the URLs in your sig. Do you need some basic html lessons or do you feel that using Paint Shop Pro 7 to write your html is a complete solution?

[Brav]

I'd bet if you could do a study you'd find more people click recips at the bottom than at the top.

When a surfer enters a gallery page they are looking for pics. They are not going to click the recip button at the top before looking for pics. As the surfer makes his/her way down the page looking at more pics they finally reach the bottom and you have either have a banner to the paysite or recip links to "more free porn". Hello recips, off they go.

I could be wrong of course :)


I totally agree. I did some testing a while back, and when I placed recips at the bottom they received quite a bit more traffic then when they were at the top. I am more then happy to place recips at the top of the page, I never advertise up there anyway.

[Useless]

Sorry, but it seems that I do need to stoop to your level, and to say that you are now showing your ignorance !!!

I own the site and therefore do not need to have an id in links to my own galleries. The galleries are hosted by me for my affiliates etc !!!

That's why I said that you should sign up as an affiliate and then you could legally add your id to any galleries listed in the archives... I couldn't give a flying f**k if you changed my original links to include your id, if I submit a site, and so helping you earn 50% of a sale. To me 50% of a sale is better than no sale :)

So... All you have to do is look at my sig and see that it's not one that an affiliate would use, but that of the webmaster who owns the site...

Your turn... :)
Joe, I just made a semi-vow this morning to be a brighter, more cheerful person, but I'm finding myself forced to inform you that you are the only one who has shown any ignorance in this thread. If you can't figure out how the TGP game works, hire someone to build and submit for you. Bad attitude and intentionally ignoring the rules will only serve to get you blacklisted.

BTW, doesn't this thread belong in the TGP board? We are discussing a gallery after all, not a free site. Perhaps the newbie board would be even more appropriate.

[JoeA]

I started this thread as a joke...

When you think of all the banned terms, words and phrases today, I found a gallery being rejected for too little nudity quite funny... YOU had to take it to another level...

You are the proof, that it is easier to negotiate with a terrorist than it is with a female...

[Useless]

Joe, I'm having a very bad day.

[JoeA]

I'll start by quoting you...

BTW, doesn't this thread belong in the TGP board?

Please read the opening post again, as it is about being listed, and as I have just said.. It was meant as a joke ... Cleo and others changed the subject..

As for being listed.. Apart from that one gallery being rejected.. As I don't ignore any rules, the other 11 I've submitted around so far, have all been accepted... So maybe I do know what I'm doing...

I look foward to the day when TGP and links list owners become webmasters with their own pay sites and then they will see the other side of the coin...

[Cleo]

I look foward to the day when TGP and links list owners become webmasters with their own pay sites and then they will see the other side of the coin...
I have run two different paysites since I've been in this biz and presently run FoxyAngel. I guess your day has arrived.

[dareutwo]

Sorry Joe, another bloke to add to the blacklist.
You created this thread, then insulted the answers given.
If you're not happy with the answers but change, it's called learning.
If you're unwilling to do anything about it, it's called stupidity.

This is a forum for learning and growing, not complaining.
Good luck with your future burger flipping career.

[Useless]

It was meant as a joke ...
You forgot to say 'Knock, knock'. :D

[Greenguy]

This has to be one of the oddest threads I have ever read :D

(and I'm the one that moved it)

[Greenguy]

Oh - have we established that there is no way of changing around the codes on someone else's server without hacking into it?

[MadMax]

Drama twice in two weeks....uh oh |couch|

[JoeA]

Useless .. :)

Daretwo...

You should also try reading my original post and replies before I was insulted.. Once more.. I posted as a joke...

Cleo..

I can now only bow to your superiority.. I presume that Cleo is short for Queen Cleopatra...

I do have to ask... What happened to your first two pay sites.. I presume that you sold them for a profit :)

TO EVERYONE WHO IS TOO LAZY TO READ ALL MY POSTS... I DO NOT HAVE PROBLEMS HAVING ANY OF MY GALLERIES ACCEPTED APART FROM THAT ONE .... OK... CAN YOU ALL READ AND UNDERSTAND MY ENGLISH GRAMMAR !!!!

This thread proves that Yanks do not understand English humour and irony...

Added as I just read GG's post...

I didn't suggest hacking... Cleo did. I asked if it was possible for TGP/Links site owners to sign up as affiliates to pay sites and then when they move listings to an archive if they could change the link on their own sites to include their affiliate id, if the link was submitted by a pay site owner and there is no other affilaite id... Quite simple but too complicated for the Yanks to undertsand.. Instead I received insults... LOL.

At least I've livened things up :)

[Head Boy]

There are some English guys posting in this thread as well. :)

[Greenguy]

I know you never suggested hacking, but that's the only way I can think of to add my code to pages on your server.

Tell me, how would one edit this URL so that their code was on the pages on your server?

http://www.saharagetsdirty.com/TGP/12/10012.htm

[Head Boy]

Once the surfer has loaded your page, then the LL has lost control of future clicks. I can only think of two ways to change the code. 1. change it on your server. 2. install a trojan on the surfers computer. Both of those are illegal.

There are two possibilities with your co-operation. 1. You submit the page with the archive links in the first place. 2. You provide the LL owner with a FPA to fly before the tour, and that is hosted on the LL server and called by the submitted page.

[JoeA]

You don't know me at all from your comments about law and who owns what...

In 6 years in this biz I have never re-directed surfers.. There has not been one pop up or under on any of my sites. I have always built clean honest sites... Any galleries I make are in the same mold... I've just started looking at all the TGP's and links sites and if I don't like their rules... I won't submit and try to get away with what I want. I will only submit to those who's rules I'm happy with.

I can say that there are one or two that I will go out of my way for as we have known each other or of each other for years and so mutual respect is given/shown by both of us. There is one person who posts on GG and he has just done me a favour, so I'm actually building galleries specifically to meet his rules... It's driving me nuts but I'm doing it.. You know who you are if you read this ... Give me couple of days to build a few... Thanks :)

[Cleo]

I can now only bow to your superiority.. I presume that Cleo is short for Queen Cleopatra...

I do have to ask... What happened to your first two pay sites.. I presume that you sold them for a profit :)
Not short for anything, just a dumb nickname that stuck.

First paysite was a general hardcore site. I found it more profitable to turn the domain into a bunch of AVS niche sites. Then AVS got murdered by Visa.

Second paysite is FoxyAngel and it does very well. My neighbor is FoxyAngel and she provides the content. I market it keeping the traffic flowing to it and keep the machinery oiled.

[JoeA]

This is the link on the TGP when on the list:

http://affiliates.saharagetsdirty.com/galleries/25/gallery25.htm

When the listing is moved to the archive, if the TGP owner was an affiliate, could they change the link to this:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=900433-0003&PA=affiliateid&HTML=http://affiliates.saharagetsdirty.com/galleries/25/gallery25.htm

If this could be done, then the webmaster of the pay site would be earning 100% of a sale while listed and because the TGP owner keeps it but in an archive.. They can then earn 50% from any sales :)

[Head Boy]

I know it's not you that's doing it, but in my opinion you can't have a clean site if you've got a sex tracker link on it. I won't trade or link to a site that's got it, because I believe it will install ALT trojans and lose all webmasters part of their income.

I haven't yet seen a post anywhere that proves my opinion to be incorrect. If there is one, I'd be grateful for a link.

[SpeedyG]

ignorance + attitude problem + big ego = dim future in this biz

Hint 1: This business is all about networking, not proving you are always right. It's ok admit mistakes and ask for help. You can't make it in this biz alone, every bridge you burn and every person you piss off because you refuse to accept your ignorance will hurt your chances of success (and believe me, not many people are fond of you at the moment).

Hint 2: Try taking your head out of your ass and you might learn something on this board. There are many good people here that are always willing to help if you don't crap all over their opinions.

And with that said........ |fart|

[JoeA]

For every enemy I make here.. I make a friend somewhere... Big Deal..

I am not exactly a newbie, having run pay and avs sites since Feb 99. So far I haven't been given any advise in this thread, just insulted..

Just so you can find out a little more about me, I suggest you read the article on this page,... You have to scroll down below the ad's:
http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=ea_article&sid=9055&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

As for learning and networking... Read my last post where I thanked someone here for actually helping me and in private not insulting me ... :)

BEFORE ANYONE ELSE FLAMES ME... PLEASE READ THE START OF THIS THREAD AS I'M GETTING BORED WITH YOU RETARDS WHO JUST JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON WITHOUT READING EVERYTHING..

Now am I up my own arse... You're damn right... I do have the right to be, when I receive replies as I have so far, to what was a joke, and I've just repeated that for the umteenth time...

[dareutwo]

Cleo please pass the |potleaf|

[Brav]

Hey JoeA.

About your comment of changing the link to point to a hosted gallery, if I was going to do that why wouldnt I just do that to begin with. Forget taking the time to review galleries, listing them and sending someone else traffic.

On another note, the gallery you mentioned with your intitial joke post I would have declined for multiple reasons, all of which I mentioned. I dont see why you found it funny that it was declined for not enough nudity, if the site requires some nudity (Hence, "Adult Site") make sure there is nudity. Its a simple fact of following the rules specified by the site in which you are applying to receive traffic from.

I will also go as far to guess that it was declined from Richards Realm, I may have even been the one that reviewed it.

And nothing in this post was an insult, but just because your gallery was accepted at 11 other places or whatever you have to keep in mind that each site has their own rules.

[Greenguy]

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=900433-0003&PA=affiliateid&HTML=http://affiliates.saharagetsdirty.com/galleries/25/gallery25.htmI have to admit I never thought of doing that - I know also have to assume that some scamming webmasters has probably thought about doing this in the past, but the work involved would be too much for me to even care about looking into.

You could just turn off the redirect thing & do them all with hard links thru php &/or includes.

[JoeA]

Thanks.. I'm glad at least one person can now see what I was trying to say ..

When it comes to scripts.. I know nothing which is why I was wondering if it could be done.. There could be a lot of money being lost at the moment and a lot to be made.. :)

I think as you intimate.. It may have to be a manual job and who would have the time... But maybe some clever scripts guru could come up with one for the job..

[Kinky]

hey JoeA I have a question for ya, a little of topic but since you were already here, I was just curious if you have a "clean" tour that CCBill affiliates can send traffic to that doesn't have all of the outgoing links to other sites and billing options?

[Cleo]

You could just turn off the redirect thing & do them all with hard links thru php &/or includes.
You can leave on the redirect even when you do it in php like I do for Angel. That way the affiliates can link to any page of the tour, even the join page. The affiliates just have to make sure that when doing this the traffic ends up on the correct join page.

[JoeA]

Kinky...

a) If a surfer clicks on the scipt links at the bottom of the first page of the tour, I would think they weren't interested in going further. Those are the only outward links and they are to other sites of mine which have high se positions. Therefore linking to them helps SGD :) They all have a Google pr of 4 except UK Ethnic Models which is actually Sahara's portfolio site if you bothered to look.

b) I have seen more than enough much larger pay sites than mine that have second processors listed on the CCBill pages, so I'm not unique. NoChex if you bothered to follow that link is for UK surfers only, who just have our UK debit cards.

Sales through Nochex have been about one a month and Clear Card totals 2 or 3.

CCBill are the best known name and so 99.9999% of sales come in from them.

Cleo....

As you saw above I have admitted to knowing nothing about scripts, so does your reply to GG mean my idea is viable after all the flaming I received. If it could work, as the links are on the TGP's domain/server they deserve to have a share of the sales :)

When it comes to any script, I couldn't survive without Ray of the Webmasters Guide :)

Brav..

Thanks for the private chat and as you've seen I've replied to you in the friendly thread I started... The submit that appeared to fail was on your movie TGP by the way...

For the rest of you..

As for getting help and learning... Those of you who flamed me here should read the other thread I started to see the difference in posts there... http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=18036 So different to this one..

Me make enemies... As I said I don't give a flying f**k. The people who matter helped in that other thread and I'm doing what needs to be done and not one flame...

To those of you who have decided to blacklist me from submitting to your TGP's because of my posts in this thread... Again you can all take a flying f**k.. I've lived without you for 6 years, so I don't think I'm missing anything except traffic from sufers looking for freebies :)

Finally...

Realise this... I am a cantankerous old man of nearly 57 and I don't suffer fools at all. All you had to do was read my original post and follow ups properly to see your remarks were totally uncalled for...

Please hold any more replies back for a few hrs as it's now 2.30 am here in the UK and I have galleries to build for decent sites to list.. :)

G'nite all...

[Cleo]

I looked at your CCBill but from your post it seems that you have links to other stuff and other processors. WTF, your CCBill tour should just be a tour for the site that we are sending traffic to and there should not be any other processors on the join page.

You want to have a tour with other links on it and other processors then make one for your own traffic and make a tour just for the webmasters sending CCBill traffic.

wdoes your reply to GG mean my idea is viable after all the flaming I received.
Not really. You are basically asking list sites to change out the submitted URL to something else. If there is affiliate codes in the ads of the galleries then whoever's code is in the ad is the webmaster that would ultimately get credit for the sale no matter how they got to the gallery. I could link to the gallery using my code but then that would be overwritten by the code in the gallery's ad.

All this would only work if your were building galleries with no affiliate codes in the ads which most people don't do and even then you would not know if your ads dropped them off on the correct tour.

CCBill traffic should go to a CCBill tour with no traffic leaks and no other processors.

[Kinky]

CCBill traffic should go to a CCBill tour with no traffic leaks and no other processors.
yeah if you did that then you would get a lot more people promoting your sites... keep your main page the way it is but make an alternate tour for ccbill affiliates and have it carry over in your hosted galleries and sites... I think all it takes is adding the URL to the end of the ccbill code to point the traffic to the right page but I may be wrong... and most of the sites that have different processors on them have cascading billing and the webmaster gets credit no matter which one is used

[GeorgeTH]

---???--- CONFUSED ---!!!---

What's this all about?

Somebody trying to make new friends?