View Full Version : AVNADS.COM and Adbrite: Fusker buddies
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 01:07 PM
I was hoping that someone from AVN, avn online, avn.com teddy communications or whoever like aly or whoever might want to drop in and discuss this program. I would like to know if avn is involved in this project, and if so, why do they support and pay "webmasters" who use the hotlink model as the basis of thier business?
Avn, fusker, Philip Kaplan, fuckedcompany.com, adbrite.com... all sleeping in the same bed, I am starting to think.
Hello, AVN? Hello?
Alex
Torn Rose
2005-03-22, 01:20 PM
Just got fuskerd last night for the second time, last time they removed us when I asked them in a few hours after I sent the email. It's been about a year since it happen, so the “black list” I was told my URL was going to be on must have expired.
So far no reply from last night.
My question is, if they have so much traffic that is burning the fuck out of my BW, why not join my affiliate site and make some $?
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 01:27 PM
Because there isn't any money in it for them... Fusker's clients are mostly either total sponges (won't ever pay for porn), people without credit cards, or minors. In all of those cases, links to a program that needs them to pay is worthless.
Fusker is the sort of thing that makes TGP traffic look good.
Why AVNads would want to be involved in this is beyond me. I hope someone from AVN can pop over and explain it a little better - or explain that it isn't their program at all.
Alex
Verbal
2005-03-22, 01:33 PM
I am also very curious about this relationsip between AVN and these Fusker thiefs. The "Your Ad Here" links on http://fusker.lewww.com/ all redirect to AVNads.com (same admin contact as AVNonline.com).
WTF is going on here??
And yet, there are still a lot of people that are going to put money in their pockets for the honor of sweating this summer in Florida.
Hey guys... AVNADs is a relatively new project where we're working in partnership with AdBrite. The people involved are still ironing out the kinks and allowing fusker.com in the network is, in my opinion, one of those kinks. I'm meeting with the publisher later today to sort this out. Please do email me aly@avn.com if you have other concerns with anything AVN is involved in. Thanks!
I have to run to a meeting... keep posting and I'll be back in a bit!
Barron
2005-03-22, 02:44 PM
I must be the dumbest clod on the block. I still dont understand what is going on with this fusker thing.
Will someone explain what they are doing, how they are doing it and why I dont want to be "fuskered".
Greenguy
2005-03-22, 02:57 PM
Hi Aly |waves|
Barron - if you don't have htaccess in place, fusker (and others) can basically load your images on their site, costing them nothing & you pay all the bandwidth.
Hi Aly |waves|
Barron - if you don't have htaccess in place, fusker (and others) can basically load your images on their site, costing them nothing & you pay all the bandwidth.
Hey Sweetheart! |smooch|
Yes, Barron, what GreenGuy said... It's not good, and I certainly don't want to see anyone I'm involved with 'endorsing' this type of thing.
Useless
2005-03-22, 04:37 PM
It truly saddens me to see a legitmate program get itself entangled with the likes of Fusker. Fusker is criminal. It is raw, unadulterated thievery. Those who host fuskers, advertise on fuskers, or simply ignore the impact that fuskers have on the common webmaster should have their little hairy assholes fuskered with an antique Kirby vacuum. You could strip paint with one of those babies.
Verbal
2005-03-22, 04:45 PM
Perhaps someone from AVN can explain on tonight's radio show what is going on? It doesn't look good.
I am curious, when AVN penned the deal, did they not know about adbrite and fusker? And if they didn't, they really didn't do their homework. That is assuming that this practice is not condoned by AVN. To me, that is a huge assumption.
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 04:59 PM
Aly, I trust that someone within AVN will not only look at the situation specific to fusker, but also look at the the way that adbrite has responded whent he subject of fusker and similar sites have come up:
I asked them if sites like http://fusker.lewww.com/ were compliant with their terms because they are stealing bandwidth from other people who are ignorant about hotlinking. This was their reply:
"Thanks for writing and welcome to AdBrite! I appreciate your concern about http://fusker.lewww.com/ and other Fusker sites. These sites operate in full compliance with AdBrite’s Terms of Service and all US state and federal laws, but they can certainly be a nuisance to adult Web masters. If you’re concerned that any AdBrite publisher is driving up your hosting costs or otherwise interfering with your service, I’d be happy to help you prevent this. Please let me know if you are not already familiar with the steps you can take to keep your content from being hot-linked."
MY reply back to them:
"I know how to prevent hotlinking. The point is a lot of other people do not and it can cost them hundreds of dollars monthly. If you allow sites that are stealing from other people great, I'll set up a phishing site and put AdBrite banners all over it. Then maybe you can leave my banners up and just tell my victims "I can help you prevent phishing"."
(as posted by JenC in this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17640 )
it would seem that AVN's business partner in this deal doesn't have any problem making money from people willing to steal, which maked me wonder how long it will be before he finds some way to stiff AVN as well.
If they aren't honest on the surface, they aren't honest where you can't see them.
Alex
I am curious, when AVN penned the deal, did they not know about adbrite and fusker? And if they didn't, they really didn't do their homework. That is assuming that this practice is not condoned by AVN. To me, that is a huge assumption.
You're absolutely right... whoever penned this deal didn't do enough homework. I agree.
That said, implying that this sort of behaviour might be condoned by AVN is a little over-the-top, darling.
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 05:55 PM
Aly, condoned and turning a blind eye are two shades of the same thing. AVN's partner in this project (Philip Kaplan, aka PUD) is well known for less than honest ways to grow his business and make money. His response to the issue as quoted above shows that he truly doesn't give a rat's ass about anything than making money.
I think it truly funny that some of the biggest AVN supporters are getting "fuskered" at this very minute... and AVN appears to be paying for it to happen.
Alex
Aly, condoned and turning a blind eye are two shades of the same thing. AVN's partner in this project (Philip Kaplan, aka PUD) is well known for less than honest ways to grow his business and make money. His response to the issue as quoted above shows that he truly doesn't give a rat's ass about anything than making money.
I think it truly funny that some of the biggest AVN supporters are getting "fuskered" at this very minute... and AVN appears to be paying for it to happen.
Alex
I don't think anyone turned a blind eye; I just think they didn't know.
Yeah, it's really funny... I'm laughing my ass off.
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 06:06 PM
Aly, never to give you a rough time, but the business partner (pud) was obviously VERY aware that this was happening, and had a nice little prepared piece of advice for people who have been fuskered. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he does business.
Alex
Aly, never to give you a rough time, but the business partner (pud) was obviously VERY aware that this was happening, and had a nice little prepared piece of advice for people who have been fuskered. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he does business.
Alex
Indeed, it does.
That said, implying that this sort of behaviour might be condoned by AVN is a little over-the-top, darling.
Is it???
AVN has shown that money is the only thing that counts when making business decisions time and time again. You are probably too young in this business to remember but, when AVN took over the shows, everyone was pissed. They just knew that the shows were going to become "only" about money. And I'll be damned if they didn't. Damn, Aly, it was a lot easier when you were with Python. Why the hell would you ever crawl into bed with these people? To me, you and AVN are like oil and water.
I guess AVN can prove me wrong by not doing business with the likes of Philip Kaplan. When do you suppose that announcement will be made?
oooops...one more thing. So far, AVN has condoned that behavior. Or did they end the partnership and I don't know about it.
Greenguy
2005-03-22, 06:47 PM
Please note that I am not stirring up shit & that I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem :)
Useless
2005-03-22, 07:14 PM
Pussy :)
|bus|
I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem :)
I have no doubt that if Aly can do anything, she will. She is like that. And I have all the respect in the world for her. I am just afraid that the money is going to cloud other people's involved, judgment.
Please note that I am not stirring up shit & that I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem :)
I'm doing my best!
And Jim, I do remember when AVN took over the shows (I started with Python at the beginning of '99) The reason I'm here at all is that, like you, I recognized where AVN needed serious improvement. This is a good (at times) challenge for me. I see great potential in turning this negative perception around, but it requires the time to educate people on both sides. AVN/ Internext once had the luxury of sitting back and taking orders; of course that not only isn't the case anymore, but also left some people with a bad taste in their mouth. The funny thing is, people tend to give the folks at AVN far too much credit for being evil, malicious or aggressively complacent in some way... I actually came in here facing the possibility of that reality... but as it turns out, they're all really very nice, just rather cut-off from their audience on the marketing/ PR side of things.
What ISN'T so funny is suddenly facing a PR fiasco like this...! However, I do actually like the fact that I'm in a position to do something about it... 1 step at a time...
Aly
I really am sure you will do your best. And, I really don't think AVN is dishonest. They just have to come to a balance between having everything about money and maybe, caring a little for the webmasters and show a little good faith. It's this fusker thing now but even before that, and I sound like a broken record, but...Florida in August. Is there any cheaper venue in the US than Florida in August?
pudster
2005-03-22, 08:17 PM
Hi,
Pud here, the owner and founder of AdBrite, which also powers AVN Ads.
We are removing the site in question, http://fusker.lewww.com/
Neither AVN nor I was aware of the Fusker problem until we found this thread.
One of the features of AdBrite is that anyone can use it as a tool to sell ads. There are currently 3,600+ sites using AdBrite. In much the same way that Ebay doesn't review each auction before it goes live, we don’t review each site.
That said, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have informed our customer service rep who wrote the quoted response above that he should inform me immediately next time something like this happens, so we can manually review any site in question. If that still doesn’t do the trick, perhaps we will start reviewing each site before allowing them to use AdBrite.
Rock on,
Philip (pud)
www.pud.com
Greenguy
2005-03-22, 08:29 PM
Good news!
Hey Aly - feel free to reference this thread in tomorrow's AVN newsletter :D
DangerDave
2005-03-22, 08:37 PM
We are removing the site in question, http://fusker.lewww.com/
... and what about the other 50 fusker clones ???
DD
MeatPounder
2005-03-22, 09:24 PM
... and what about the other 50 fusker clones ???
DD
Oh that will happen too
Once we catch them, report them, complain about them, and finally raise a stink on the boards...etc
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 11:04 PM
Aly, having the power to fix (or at least influence the fix) to an issue is a good feeling. Similarly, I can tell you it is as good a feeling to be able to know WHO to ask to find the person who has the power to make the fix. I call you out here because, well, I know that if you can't fix it, you will know who can fix it.
Pud, it is also good to see you here, if for no other reason that you now know that there are many angles to the adult side of the internet that you haven't considered before. Hotlinking, stealing content, and misrepresentation is a major issue that needs you constant attention, and your customer service and pr people need to be WAY more sensitive to the issues at hand. If someone is willing to screw someone else out of money, trust me, they will screw you out of it too.
I would suggest that you start your people on a quest looking for refering pages with things like "fusker" and "fukser" and similar in the names to see who else is taking you for a ride... and I would highly recommend that with only 3600 sites, that you take the time to look at the bigger accounts to be sure you aren't paying people to steal from others.
thanks to everyone for making an effort... now I hope that other major programs take similar actions where needed.
Alex
fireorange
2005-03-22, 11:11 PM
There is a feature you can add to htaccess that shows an alternate image if you try to hotlink the file.
You can use this to show goatse, tubgirl or the most disgusting image I can find
You could also use a image with the writing "visit www.xyz.com for more"
http://www.htaccesstools.com/hotlink-protection/
It's under Blocked Image URL
I use this sometimes to fuck the users of fusker.lewww.com, so they get a picture of a penis cut in half rather than my pics :)
RawAlex
2005-03-22, 11:41 PM
fireorange, the problem with that solution (if you block all accesses to images) is that you also block yahoo and google image systems, which can be good sources of traffic. I have been much more selective in blocking fusker sites, rather than blocking all access.
Pictures of tubgirl, sexually transmitted diseases, and such are all good ones to keep their productivity up....
I am hoping that content producers start taking action for copyright violation and shut this crap down once and for all.
Alex
Ms Naughty
2005-03-23, 12:26 AM
Reading the result of this has given me a warm fuzzy glow :)
RawAlex, don't forget you can code your htaccess to allow yahoo & google to hotlink your images, which is what I do, and at the same time block all others. I do as fireorange suggested, and have an image with a url written on it :)
Reading the result of this has given me a warm fuzzy glow :)
Yep, nice to see such a positive result so far. Congrats on bringing this to the relevant people's attention RawAlex, fusker and it's clones are a leech we'd all be well rid of.
Boogie
2005-03-23, 12:36 AM
Looks like fusker has a new adbrite account.
http://www.avnads.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?opid=11270&rdfrom=ab
assume this one will get banned too?
hrm, nm. looks like that's the same old one? not sure.
RawAlex
2005-03-23, 12:54 AM
Boogie, interesting stuff... most interesting that fusker is ranked fairly highly on alexa... they would appear to be getting a ton of traffic. Amazing how many leeches there are out there.
If anyone doesn't think this is bad for the adult online industry, you need to check your pulse. Imagine what this teaches surfers... that stealing is the way to go. Just another nail in the coffin.
Alex
LadyB
2005-03-23, 01:18 AM
Interesting thread.
I just went to adbrite.com and skimmed through their TOS and found this..
5. RESTRICTIONS. Subscriber (whether a publisher,
advertiser or otherwise) warrants, represents and
agrees that it will not contribute, submit or make
available through the Services, or use the Services in
connection with, any Content that is infringing,
libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive,
offensive or otherwise violates any law or right of
any third party.
Have their TOS always read this way, or is this something new due to fusker?
pud - perhaps reviewing the sites is a good idea. If anybody and everybody can get an account and nobody checks anything then what's to stop CP, warez, beastiality, etc.. type sites from flying your ads and making money too?
In any case, I glad to see that you've agreed to take a stand against these thieves.
RawAlex
2005-03-23, 01:53 AM
No, adbrite is the "clean" side... look at AVNads.com instead... you will see different terms.
Alex
LadyB
2005-03-23, 01:59 AM
No, adbrite is the "clean" side... look at AVNads.com instead... you will see different terms.
Alex
Ah.. I was confused then. That tends to happen at 1am lol Thanks Alex :) I'll take a look
LadyB
2005-03-23, 02:07 AM
It appears to be the same exact TOS as is on adbrite.com..
from https://www.avnads.com/zones/commerce/register_form.php
(which has an Ad Brite title tag btw)
5. RESTRICTIONS. Subscriber (whether a publisher,
advertiser or otherwise) warrants, represents and
agrees that it will not contribute, submit or make
available through the Services, or use the Services in
connection with, any Content that is infringing,
libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive,
offensive or otherwise violates any law or right of
any third party.
|huh
RawAlex
2005-03-23, 02:56 AM
heh-heh... porn ads you can't run on a porn site!
Alex
I know it isn't everything but at least AVN is doing what is right. Thank you Aly.
Oh yeah, you guys really should change the TOS so adult sites can use the program :) On another note, I guess that's one way to keep hotlinking cocksuckers from using the program. Just don't allow anyone to use it :)
adamneve
2005-03-23, 05:23 AM
Pussy :)
Cash |jackinthe
Useless
2005-03-23, 06:11 AM
Cash |jackinthe
:D You're a marketing genius!
Useless
2005-03-23, 06:17 AM
RawAlex, don't forget you can code your htaccess to allow yahoo & google to hotlink your images, which is what I do, and at the same time block all others. I do as fireorange suggested, and have an image with a url written on it :)
As much as it is important for everyone to be educated on how to block leaches, the point being made here is, we shouldn't have to. And we certainly shouldn't have to lay back and accept that one of our own is paying someone to leach off of us.
Imagine a neighbor that you don't like is stealing tools from your garage. Then imagine that a friend of yours is buying those tools from him, knowing damn well that those were your tools.
I agree totally UW, I was replying to a reply Alex made to fireorange, posts #33 & #34 :D
RawAlex
2005-03-23, 09:20 AM
Most amusing yet:
Pudster sent our his "fuckedcompany" newsletter today, finally letting on to what everyone has already figured out: he "went hollywood", moved to the west coast, and set up adbrite with a pile of VC money. I truly suspect his VC people would be really pleased to see how this is all going.
Hopefully this doesn't damage his bottom line too much. ;)
Alex
Verbal
2005-03-23, 10:53 AM
Thanks Aly for your efforts. We all appreciate it.
The best way to attack the Fusker problem I think, is at the partner/sponsor/host level. Make their partners aware of the situation and if they still do nothing, expose them on the boards.
Agent
2005-03-23, 11:31 AM
Pud, now I know why that name is familiar...I used to read FuckedCompany for shits and giggles once in a while. What's his history in the adult biz? I haven't been following his work since the occasional FuckedCompany visit.
Ann Omness
2005-03-23, 11:55 AM
I'm just glad to see that fusker was removed from the adbrite system. I spend quite a bit of money with adbrite and it bothered me that a site like fusker was one of the higher-traffic sites in their listings. I run a popular blog toplist and I always delete any blogs I find using fuskered content, or that contain a link to fusker. I am amazed and gratified that AVN was so responsive to this issue when it was brought to their attention. Thanks, Aly!
Who else is sponsoring Fusker?
DVD Dollars dvddollars.com
Sent to ami@dvddollars.com
a. Affiliate's Representations and Warranties. You represent and warrant that (i) you have full power and authority to enter into this Agreement; (ii) entering into and performance of this Agreement by you does not violate, conflict with, or result in a material default under any other contract or agreement to which you're a party, or by which you're bound; and (iii) the Affiliate Site shall not infringe, violate or misappropriate any copyright, trade secret, trademark, or other proprietary or intellectual property right of any third party or constitute libel, defamation, invasion of privacy or the violation of any right of publicity or any other right of any third party. SugarDVD is not responsible for the content of the Affiliate Site. SugarDVD's exclusive remedy for breach of the foregoing representations and warranties shall be your indemnification obligation set forth in Section 14(b) below.
Since Fusker gets traffic based on the theft and referral of copyrighted images hosted on other people's servers, this appears to be in direct violation of your Terms and Conditions.
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?offset=30
http://www.sugardvd.com/?refaff=12995 (is the affiliate link to your program at the bottom of the page)
Join in the discussion if you would like to defend your position of maintaining this affiliate or announce this affiliate's termination.
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17808
Don't jump so quickly, guys.
I just spoke to a sponsor that is on the fusker site and guess what? Their ads were being served by adbrite. They had no idea their link was there.
Don't jump so quickly, guys.
I just spoke to a sponsor that is on the fusker site and guess what? Their ads were being served by adbrite. They had no idea their link was there.
Sorry Jim, I'll call off the dogs. :)
If you look at the way the site is laid out, I believe they have a direct relation with dvddollars.com as the adbright links are not served (it says the site is inactive)
No, no...I am just saying, some sponsors there, don't know they are there.
although, they may actually be quite intertwined with dvddollars since their referral link does change using subdomains and different spellings.
The Google cached version shows an affiliate link of /?refaff=12995
As Chris just pointed out, hitting refresh on the current version brings up variations of the domain.
Contacted ami via Netpond and the reaction was one of shock.
Useless
2005-03-23, 03:53 PM
They may have pulled themselves from fusker.lewww, but there are plenty of other sites they are still advertising on that are indentical in practice, such as Ripper and Usefulidiot. Take a gander at this page: http://dir.avnads.com/index.cgi?a=86
LadyB
2005-03-23, 04:35 PM
They may have pulled themselves from fusker.lewww, but there are plenty of other sites they are still advertising on that are indentical in practice, such as Ripper and Usefulidiot. Take a gander at this page: http://dir.avnads.com/index.cgi?a=86
After looking at that page I find it hard to believe that this was all an "accident" and "nobody knew" what types of sites alot of these are. : /
ronnie
2005-03-23, 04:47 PM
Thats so funny the fusker traffic selling for 10-12 cents a click, oh ya gotta be some quality traffic there.
Another one I've been seeing in my logs is http://www.babehunt.org/fusker/index.php DONT GO THERE, as norton went off on me. But again, all kinds of adbrite ads on the page. Also ass traffic and give me pink ads. Saw some payserve galleries listed. Just wanted the powers to be know, yet another site.
ronnie
noooze
2005-03-23, 08:10 PM
i hate fusker and all asian sites
I had a typo and resulted in a syntax error in my httaccess... guess what
they just burned like 500-800 $ in banwith and i'm stuck with that f**** bill.
arrghhh i hate 'em. after i discovered it my kb usage has dropped 50 % or more
let em hang i say
RawAlex
2005-03-24, 11:07 AM
Pud, you might want to get your minions to actually spend a moment working on this situations.
http://www.fusker.com/
adbrite all over the front page. Didn't you guys look part the end's of your noses?
Alex
RawAlex
2005-03-24, 11:26 AM
I recommend highly that adbrite take a few moments to run a grep on their serverlogs and look for refers from fusker. it isn't enough to just take down the single site that was named. A proactive approach to stopping bandwidth theft and copyright infringement is an important part of an honest and upfront business.
Email sent to pud and Aly again, there is a list of sites on the front of fusker, all which appear to use adbrite. it would appear that adbrite is the default advertising system installed when a new version of fusker is sold ($100 per copy, and you have to keep the ads on the page!).
I am starting to wonder if there is a more clear partnership arrangement here.
Alex
The Google cached version shows an affiliate link of /?refaff=12995
As Chris just pointed out, hitting refresh on the current version brings up variations of the domain.
Contacted ami via Netpond and the reaction was one of shock.
Hi all! Certaintly wish that my first post on this board was...well...not having to deal with shady Affiliates, but I do GREATLY appreciate Urb and cb34 giving me a head's up.
HOWEVER...thanks to your vigilance, and because of hot linking, as of today we will no longer make payments on any
traffic sent to our site from http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?offset=30.
SugarDVD and all affiliated sites, have no interest in maintaining/developing relationships with Affiliates/Web"masters" who steal from the very people who are the heart of our Affiliate Program.
I am relatively new to the organization, and was hired as Affiliate Manager specifically to make sure that all of our Affiliates interests were being served, and that they were taken care of. I'll be looking at Affiliate sign-ups in a whole new way going forward.
Thanks Again...and um...hello board ;)
RawAlex
2005-03-24, 06:59 PM
Ami, go to see you around, and congrats on taking the most important step: Stop paying thieves. That goes a long way to solving the issue.
I would highly recommend to all programs out there to take a few moments and have someone grep your referal logs for the last 24 hours and look for terms like "fusker" and fukster" and other similar things. You don't want to accidentally be providing payouts and financial support to people who's only goal is to steal bandwidth and violate copyright in a major manner.
I think I am going to start a list of domains with fusker on it, so that programs can move to get rid of these losers once and for all.
Alex
Thank you Ami, and welcome to the board. :)
adbrite/avnads is a good network for advertising and i have used them for many campaigns. and every advertiser on there is solid except fusker. i have used many. but fusker.lewww.com is probably the only one on there. if you check their stats. they are at 3million page views a day. and yes they have hit my server and almost put it in the ground where i couldnt even log in load averages went up to 600. but there is a lot of good sites on adbrite/avnads. but the fuskers are the evilones.
LadyB
2005-03-24, 09:22 PM
Good news ami! |thumb
Altheon
2005-03-24, 10:09 PM
Not protecting your images with .htaccess is like going on vacation and leaving your doors unlocked. Is it wrong if your house gets robbed...Yes. Should you be surprised...No.
It is so easy to protect your images and render Fusker and the hotlinking menace dead in its tracks.
-A
Boogie
2005-03-24, 10:17 PM
jeez, at this rate its just going to stop being profitble fucking other webmasters up the ass.
unless you run gay sites i guess.
/bwahahahaha
RawAlex
2005-03-24, 11:15 PM
Altheon: the action recommended to stop hotlinkers (the basic one) means that I must also limit my business by not allowing google or yahoo image bots onto my sites. That means I lose traffic and exposure.
Even if the door is unlocked, you are still a thief when you walk in and steal something. Paying someone to steal something isn't exactly a legal business.
AVN and SugarDVD are smart... let's see if others follow.
Alex
PS: Hopefully adbrite, pud, and the avn people will be smart enough to filter off ALL of the fusker sites... this is starting to make me think of "cancelling" a spammer's account.
HOWEVER...thanks to your vigilance, and because of hot linking, as of today we will no longer make payments on any
traffic sent to our site from http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?offset=30.
Hi ami,
How about all the other pages that have sugar dvd on them?
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=549466&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=514145&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=514391&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=516514&query=bukkake&
and so on and so on.........
Useless
2005-03-25, 07:48 AM
and so on and so on.........
Shit, looks like you got yourself fuskered. Nice bannner. ;)
RawAlex
2005-03-25, 11:27 AM
Hi ami,
How about all the other pages that have sugar dvd on them?
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=549466&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=514145&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=514391&query=bukkake&
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=516514&query=bukkake&
and so on and so on.........
I think that unlike adbrite, ami isn't in a position to make the banners disappear.
However, I would think it better if ami arranged with the program to first send those hits to a "account closed because he is a thief" page, with a "click here to continue on for DVDs" link.
Alex
Altheon
2005-03-25, 11:36 AM
Altheon: the action recommended to stop hotlinkers (the basic one) means that I must also limit my business by not allowing google or yahoo image bots onto my sites. That means I lose traffic and exposure.
why not poke a hole to allow yahoo and google?
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?yourdomain.com(/)?.*$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://images\.google\. [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://images\.search\.yahoo\. [NC]
RewriteRule .*\.(gif|jpg|jpeg|bmp|fla|mov|avi|wmv)$ - [F,NC]
Regards,
-A
Hiya RawAlex,
Not banners - bottom text link goes to SugarDVDs, seems to be the case on all their pages?
RawAlex
2005-03-25, 05:13 PM
Yes, the text link does - but that is only because sugardvd doesn't control the html on the page (not like adbrite, which controls the content). Just like any other sponsor you have can't pull a banner even if they close your account.
Alex
Boogie
2005-03-26, 07:55 PM
Can we get http://search.boobdex.com/?lid=112449 shut down now? or?
they're using avn ads
DangerDave
2005-03-26, 08:28 PM
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17978
http://www.freeadultforum.com/
:(
digifan
2005-03-26, 10:00 PM
My adbrite thread... zero replies and 56 views.
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=15242&highlight=Adbrite
digifan
2005-03-26, 10:10 PM
Usefulidiots is still there on page 2.. just an example
http://dir.adbrite.com/index.cgi?a=20050;sort_id=2;search=;all=1;price=low;vertical_id=59;page=2
You have to click on adult.
Useless
2005-03-26, 10:15 PM
I'm beginning to believe that fusker.lewww was just a cookie tossed our way with hopes of appeasing us. AVN/Adbrite has a long way to go. They really need to start digging in and doing what's right for their advertisers.
its just a matter of kicking through, finding the TOS, notifying them. I've done it with perhaps 15 different affiliate programs, using the form letter I wrote earlier, with one response so far. It is Easter weekend, so, I suspect Monday or Tuesday I'll be getting a few emails.
Ann Omness
2005-03-27, 01:36 PM
I don't understand how sites like fusker and boobdex manage to stay online. Whenever they violate someone's copyright, that person can send a DMCA notice to say.. fuskers ISP and that ISP's ISP. Even if they promptly remove the illegal content and file a counter-notice, the law requires that the ISP take them down for ten business days. It seems like they'd be down just about all the time since their whole business model is based on violating copyrights. Are they hosted in countries that don't care about copyright law?
A DCMA complaint needs to come from the copyright holder -- or an authorized agent. That itself becomes difficult. I can look at some content and say, hey, I know that is copyrighted, but, how do you find the copyright holder? You end up finding the original site that is being hotlinked, locate the gallery, guess whether that gallery is content that the webmaster paid for or is sponsor provided content.
But, you are right, it is the right way to do it -- and requires the vigilence of someone that has been hotlinked that can file that paperwork. I've been documenting it for a few clients so that they can file. It will be interesting.
RawAlex
2005-03-27, 03:24 PM
I'm beginning to believe that fusker.lewww was just a cookie tossed our way with hopes of appeasing us. AVN/Adbrite has a long way to go. They really need to start digging in and doing what's right for their advertisers.
I hope you are not right. I am going to once again ask Aly to put in an appearance and see what the scoop is. Adbrite is rife with sites that are WAY less than desirable as ad space, providing income sources for all sorts of VERY marginal stuff. I am NOT impressed.
I also hope that sugardvd figures out how to put up an "account died" message before their site, so that people know they are coming from a scumbag.
Alex
I also hope that sugardvd figures out how to put up an "account died" message before their site, so that people know they are coming from a scumbag.
You know, I have waffled on this issue for years. On one hand, I agree, I think the site should just not accept the traffic.
But, I also think that it adds extra sting to the wounds of a terminated webmaster when they continue to accept that traffic and make money off of it.
Ask any webmaster that was terminated for fraud which they would hate more.... then lets do that. :)
RawAlex
2005-03-27, 06:37 PM
CD, it's just hard for the rest of us to tell if something really has been done, of it we are all just getting fluffed along.
Sexsearch is the latest fusker sponsor. New thread coming up!
Alex
Alex
I received this from Adam of Sexsearch
Thanks for the heads up. I actually just heard of them yesterday because they were hotlinking to all of our hosted galleries. The ads were coming from a campaign w/ adbrite. I told the salesperson contact them to pull that campaign.
So, no need for the new thread coming up :)
RawAlex
2005-03-27, 07:28 PM
Umm, Jim... interesting, considering that these things don't click through adbrite's system...
they go through:
http://best-adult-dating.com/?src=fuskerleww
Me thinks that sexsearch has more than one path back to our fusker buddies.
Alex
RawAlex
2005-03-27, 07:29 PM
Oh, and if anyone from FTVcash is around, or knows someone over there, they are getting hit as well:
http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=587518
lagwagon
2005-03-27, 08:42 PM
thanks for the heads up
Yes, the text link does - but that is only because sugardvd doesn't control the html on the page (not like adbrite, which controls the content). Just like any other sponsor you have can't pull a banner even if they close your account.
Alex
Yep, gotcha there, what I was worried about was the wording in Ami's post that stated hits from that one page would not be paid out on, rather than the entire domain, which has their text link on. Just wanted to clear up what their position is, as I felt it a bit ambiguous. :)
GonZo
2005-03-29, 10:34 AM
I am curious, when AVN penned the deal, did they not know about adbrite and fusker? And if they didn't, they really didn't do their homework. That is assuming that this practice is not condoned by AVN. To me, that is a huge assumption.
Maybe they will do a nice full page puff piece on them like they did with Teleterria.
Gonzo, I don't read AVN most times. For some reason, I don't get it anymore :)
RawAlex
2005-03-29, 11:04 AM
Jim, you might want to drop a line back to adam at sexsearch... that link isn't part of the adbrite thing at all... the fusker dudes look to have signed up as an affiliate, and are re-routing the traffic through another domain to wash the refering URL.
Alex
Nick@ilynx
2005-03-29, 12:21 PM
ahahahahahaha Jim ;-)))
I think that unlike adbrite, ami isn't in a position to make the banners disappear.
However, I would think it better if ami arranged with the program to first send those hits to a "account closed because he is a thief" page, with a "click here to continue on for DVDs" link.
Alex
yeah...unfortunately, i'm not in a position to make the banners/links disappear. we've asked the Affiliate several times to remove the link...he has not as of yet. that link should be blocked w/in the next 48 hours. blech.....grossgrossgross.
and again...if anyone EVER sees any sites like this using SugarDVD/DVDDollars as a sponsor...holla at a biaaaatch...i'll be more than happy to hurt 'em |satan|
Here's the url at the top of the page:
http://best-adult-dating.com/?src=fuskerleww
mcd@tsavo:~$ telnet best-adult-dating.com 80
Trying 62.232.36.23...
Connected to unityhosting.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /?src=fuskerleww HTTP/1.0
Host: best-adult-dating.com
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 175
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Location: http://best-adult-dating.com/index.htm
Last-Modified: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:20:25 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "182e4469a33c51:34ad"
Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:22:55 GMT
Connection: close
<html>
<head>
<title>Best Adult Dating</title>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url=http://www.sexsearch.com/11127/">
</head>
<body>
Redirecting..
</body>
</html>Connection closed by foreign host.
And the meta refresh goes to http://www.sexsearch.com/11127/
(which would blank the referrer)
Verbal
2005-03-29, 02:40 PM
Anyone from SexSearch around to handle this?
Hey Guys,
Just heard about this thread. We do business with adbrite/avnonline. We did have links on fusker and they are now pulled.
I have informed adbrite that they need to remove fusker from their list of publishers before we will do further buisness with them. The last time I informed them that one of their publishers was shady they removed them quickly.
I am checking to see if fusker does indeed have an affilaite account with us. If they do, it will be cut.
We will not do buisness with fusker or anybody doing biz with them.
Raja
Just an update. Adbrite/AVNads no longer does business with Fusker. They are a stand up company and like me once they found out how these guys generate traffic they cut them.
Raja
Nice work Raja. The fine people from AVN posted that they were done with fusker :)
Verbal
2005-03-30, 06:08 PM
Very cool SexSearch and AVN for dealing with this so quickly. |thumb
Boogie
2005-03-30, 09:37 PM
http://search.boobdex.com/
And yet Boobdex is still earning cash for running the fusker script, even though I posted about them last week.
AVN? What gives?
Get these fuckers, willya?
Boogie,
Take that letter I posted further up, send it to the contact person at AVNAds and cc the guy at pud.com.
Just have to keep pounding.
Greenguy
2005-03-30, 10:06 PM
usefulidiot.com is still running adbrite codes as well :(
Boogie
2005-03-30, 10:41 PM
Boogie,
Take that letter I posted further up, send it to the contact person at AVNAds and cc the guy at pud.com.
Just have to keep pounding.
yeah, I could do that.
But ultimately Its my personal opinion they should be proactive in watching their accounts.
I mean if they're not capable of discovering this kind of thing and policing it, are they capable of policing CP?
Ah hell i guess i'll help em out by sending the letter a few times.
RawAlex
2005-03-31, 01:18 AM
Boogie, one thing I learned long ago in this business: Until people complain, most programs don't give a rats ass WHERE the traffic comes from. I am sure many of them woudl take toolbar redirections of disney and nickleodeon traffic provided they could find some fool to buy it.
AVNads and Adbrite are doing what is traditionally done: When someone bitches, take action. Until then, DO NOTHING. I don't think it is willful blindness, just a "don't care" attitude until someone turns up the heat - and even then, adbrite's original response was classic "it's not our problem, buy a bigger door lock" stuff.
I am hoping that other programs see the level of frustration that exists with these fusker sites, and move to block them within their T&C and in reality.
Alex
Boobdex and UsefulIdiot emails sent.
RawAlex
2005-04-02, 01:41 PM
Okay, Adbrite, people! WAKE UP!
http://www.ulita.com/Atwood/logged.php
When you go to fusker and click to visit a "fusker" site, they have a toolbar ont he top of the page. Click "funny" and you get this page.
More adbrite.
Most of the fusker sites out there are running adbrite / AVNads.
Can you please take care of this already?
MeatPounder
2005-04-02, 02:45 PM
LOL, it was posted here before that all new fuskers come with adbrite by default when they are purchased.
That tells me adbrite and fusker signed a very hefty deal together.
That tells me adbrite was full of shit when they came in here saying they are against fuskers and be diligent in cleaning fuskers out of adbrite, pretty difficult when they are in a partnership with them.
It also tells me AVN was full of shit when they come in here and say they are against fuskers with all the evidence presented they are still in partnership with the devil.
ONLY way to stop it is to Boycott AVN and any one else that has anything to do with Fuskers until they truly stop dealing with them in partnerships.
If you do not Boycott AVN and the such you also enter into the partnership with the devils, and have absolutely no right to bitch about fuskers...for you ARE SUPPORTING THEM
Verbal
2005-04-02, 06:12 PM
LOL, it was posted here before that all new fuskers come with adbrite by default when they are purchased.
That tells me adbrite and fusker signed a very hefty deal together.
That tells me adbrite was full of shit when they came in here saying they are against fuskers and be diligent in cleaning fuskers out of adbrite, pretty difficult when they are in a partnership with them.
It also tells me AVN was full of shit when they come in here and say they are against fuskers with all the evidence presented they are still in partnership with the devil.
ONLY way to stop it is to Boycott AVN and any one else that has anything to do with Fuskers until they truly stop dealing with them in partnerships.
If you do not Boycott AVN and the such you also enter into the partnership with the devils, and have absolutely no right to bitch about fuskers...for you ARE SUPPORTING THEM
I'm starting to think you're right.
The smell of BULLSHIT around these companies is getting way too strong for me to stomach. Fuck you Fusker and any companies that allow this thievery to continue. You're either in bed with thieves or simply turning a blind eye. Either way, it makes me fucking sick.
Avn, fusker, Philip Kaplan, Pud, Aly, fuckedcompany.com, adbrite.com - WTF??
DangerDave
2005-04-03, 09:03 PM
just a bit more adbrite/avn supported theft..
http://www.suziexxx.com/index.php
DD
Agent
2005-04-03, 09:35 PM
I notice this posted at fark.com today on the front page...
http://nciv.flabber.nl/index.php?nciv_id=722246
Looks like its using a script similar to the link DD posted above. Is this poor bastard getting fuskered too? The images reside on another domain that has some gallery pages in the same open dir...
Fark commands A LOT of traffic.
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