Sales Question for all

[buttster]

just wondering who makes more sales off their submissions than off their link list or tgp sponsor links. I read once on here somewhere that a some people make a good living at just building and submitting free sites.

[stuveltje]

here here, i make more money from my free sites then linksites but then i have sold all my linksites :D

[buttster]

maybe its just me, i submit big tits, amateurs, bbw and mature free sites
and I have yet to see any of my 100+ free sites generate enough to pay for anything.

[stuveltje]

i make every niche there is i have more then 1000+ free sites so yes its a huge different with 100+ so there will be th difference if it pays off or not, but dont give up keep builing

[buttster]

thats all i can do
was wondering if its better to build a big tits site and submit to 15 LL and build a mature site and submit to 15 LL and so on and so on versus submitting one site to 100 link lists

[stuveltje]

thats all i can do
was wondering if its better to build a big tits site and submit to 15 LL and build a mature site and submit to 15 LL and so on and so on versus submitting one site to 100 link lists
when i started bizz i submitted to 80 linksites now i dont do anymore, just try to build one site a day and submit it to the linksites you want and try to use as many niches you can , and keep in mind the templates, dont use the same templates everytime, keep your eye on the sponsors you use, if the ratio is bad, change the sponsor to an other sponsor in the same niche:)

[stuveltje]

in meantime build some hubs, use ready stuff from sponsors link from your free sites, there is so much you can do in bizz.:)

[buttster]

I use all scoreland content, i wonder if that might be hurting me
its great content but with free hosted gallerys used by everyone i wonder if that could be one of the probs

[stuveltje]

that could be the problem yes, buying content is better and believe me content isnt expensieve, if you dont have the money pick out sponsors with alot of free content.or email your sponsors for some special content you can always ask:)

[buttster]

damn its hard to find good big tits content, i go to look at all the providers and they got crap for big tits. and most of the content i see for sell is being used big time by others also. and what a lot of providers call big tits is a c cup.
lol

[stuveltje]

damn its hard to find good big tits content, i go to look at all the providers and they got crap for big tits. and most of the content i see for sell is being used big time by others also. and what a lot of providers call big tits is a c cup.
lolwel maybe time to pick an other niche:D

[buttster]

i have noticed on all the link lists that supply sponsor stats like GG and hoes that big tits is never up high on their top sellers, that could be another problem. More surfers looking for hardcore and other niches versus big boobs

[stuveltje]

well i dont think hardcore, but yes others niches is the case...alot is around now:D

[stuveltje]

maybe big tits in pantyhose?

[buttster]

Man i love gg and J, no other webmaster forum on the net teaches like this place
go to the other boards and get humiliated over every little question
thanx much

[stuveltje]

Man i love gg and J, no other webmaster forum on the net teaches like this place
go to the other boards and get humiliated over every little question
thanx muchother boards sucks :D

[buttster]

just in your own opinion do you see anything wrong with this type of free site
http://nudeworld.net/naughty-neighbors/005/index.htm

[ronnie]

When I first started, made great money off avs sites, but those days are about gone. Not as good as they use to be at least. I never did get too heavy into free sites, did'nt see alot of sales from it.

In the long run, I've always made better money with my links lists. Just my experience.

ronnie

[stuveltje]

your site looks good, you only have the same alt tag txt on your banners use, keywords in your niche, different for every banner, also for the thumbs, use keywords related to the niche, your also missing some metatags in your <head></head> section but what i mention now is pure for search engines

[stuveltje]

When I first started, made great money off avs sites, but those days are about gone. Not as good as they use to be at least. I never did get too heavy into free sites, did'nt see alot of sales from it.

In the long run, I've always made better money with my links lists. Just my experience.

ronnieoh i agree, i always sucked at avs sites so i did what i was good at free sites, linksites and other projects i sold my linksites and i make now new one, maybe i sell them i dont know, it depends on what i am thinking at that moment....i am just choatic:D

[Greenguy]

You two want a room? |couch|

[stuveltje]

You two want a room? |couch|
oke you want me to slap you GG |couch| and where where you heeyyyyyy :D

[ronnie]

oh i agree, i always sucked at avs sites so i did what i was good at free sites, linksites and other projects i sold my linksites and i make now new one, maybe i sell them i dont know, it depends on what i am thinking at that moment....i am just choatic:D

If your good at it and it works, thats all that counts...:)

Buttster, seems with that many sites you should be making some money. Do your sites get listed? Do you get traffic from them? Couple things I noticed on the site you gave, if it is similar to what your make, is the ads.

First off, do you know if these ads pull? Do you track your ads? Honestly they dont look very exciting to me, nothing really to get me to want to click. And seems like I only saw two different ads? Use as many different ones as you can, as one might pull, another might not. All I see you really pushing is trial membership, which I would'nt even say, just me. You need to get them excited, give them a boner so they want to click on your ads to get more. Also, I try my best to never use banners that have the sponsors url on them. The surfer could just type in the sponsor url and bypass you.

Banners dont pull crap nowdays, have'nt for some time. Your extra text needs to do the selling, getting more surfers to click. Or try different size or odd shape banners.

Just a few thoughts..:)

ronnie

[Lunatic]

Scoreland is one of the best paysites out there. Because of that they're heavily promoted and their content is used quite a bit. Maybe another high quality but lesser known big tit sponsor would help? Other niches do convert better though, especially the smaller niches.

[buttster]

I try not to use to much of a story telling blind link because to many sponsors will delete you if you are not right on with descrip. I could use for example:
Click here to watch this hot busty chick get nailed in the behind for the first time!!
but if its not true u are asking for a chargebak or worse to get acct cancelled
am i right or am i wrong

[Jeka]

I try not to use to much of a story telling blind link because to many sponsors will delete you if you are not right on with descrip. I could use for example:
Click here to watch this hot busty chick get nailed in the behind for the first time!!
but if its not true u are asking for a chargebak or worse to get acct cancelled
am i right or am i wrong

You're "wrong". If they don't like what they see they won't sign up.
In my opinion surfers only charge back when they are really disappointed and that doesn't happen very often. I think I have less that 3% chargebacks.

[MeatPounder]

just in your own opinion do you see anything wrong with this type of free site
http://nudeworld.net/naughty-neighbors/005/index.htm
Only this

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Even though you meant it as only 2 banner links you made 6 sponsor links...combine both banners to just one outgoing link each.
Many link lists scripts will bounce that for too many sponsor links

[Tommy]

buttster
the whole site has the same sales text over and over

maybe different text under each banner would work better

I would use a banner and a line of text on the top and on the bottom of the page I would use 3 to 4 lines of good text

you also might wanna try adding some big thumbs for the gallery 1 and gallery 2 links

it would give you some more alt tags and stretch out the page a bit

[Tommy]

Ohh and I would buy some content and most important premote 2 or 3 DIFFERENT niches

[HarryM]

I had trouble finding good "big" tits content aswell, check out ounique.com they have quite a lot though it is expensive for newer stuff.
Seems as though you can make decent money off free sites alone, if you build a couple per day and get them listed at the right places.

thats all i can do
was wondering if its better to build a big tits site and submit to 15 LL and build a mature site and submit to 15 LL and so on and so on versus submitting one site to 100 link lists

After building 100 sites you should have an idea of who's traffic converts etc. Personally I have a list of around 15 link lists that work for me and try to submit 1 or 2 sites per day depending on what else is going on. The time it takes to make 100 mirrors if you are doing it by hand could be used to make a whole new site. This is working fine for me: 60 templates and dozen or so lists, some taking 2 subs per day.

[AliMeBitch]

yeah it all depends, some free sites ive made make over $100 and some make nothing, its mainly trial and error for the most part, ive dropped alot of sponsors due to bad conversions, right now im concentrating on one sponsor that is still giving me sales from sites ive made back in november and im converting 1:280 on first page hits and 1:125 on second page hits

[japamor]

Hi Buttster
With your domain name couldn't you diversify into small, medium, large tits, tits in bras, tits in tight clothing, etc. It'll make it a hell of a lot easier to get content.
Cheers
japamor |waves|

[ReverendSassy]

I for 1 must say that it IS possible to make a decent living off of free sites. There are a lot of other things that you can make a decent living off of as well but if you start with free sites you're sure to go far :)