Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[Adult Traffic]

Here it is.

I've been a gallery builder first and foremost from day one in this business, regardless of any other business I do. I know my galleries are good, my stats tell me that.

If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send.

I will do this on your integrity and the fact that you're not doing anything underhanded to leach my traffic in any way.


I promise to build nice, attractive sites for you.
I promise to follow the rules.
I promise to use a real e-mail address, the one that comes to my outlook.
I promise to run your recip.
I promise to not remove your your recip for not listing some odd site, as long as you are honest with me day to day.
I promise to use above average content, because this helps us both.
I promise to not change the pages outside of the rules.
I promise to not redirect anyone and I believe that even surfers from Croatia or Yugoslavia have a right to view porn.
I promise to not remove the pages that I submitted.
I believe there is WAY more money in playing fair than any cheater could ever make.


I have a list of you already to begin with. I'm submitting to you now.

If you're new or small or huge but honest and want my submits, just post your site.

If you don't want to, that's cool.

Finally, this is not a pissing match about why you don't send e-mails out. I have my own opinions about that and I don't care nor need your explanation.

Thank you :)

AST

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[Greenguy]

So those of us that do not send out emails are "dishonest"?

Good to know :D

[Adult Traffic]

So those of us that do not send out emails are "dishonest"?

Good to know :DDid it say that? I see it says "honest linklist owners .. willing to send mail. You can read it however you like.

As a matter of opinion think of this. A sponsor who collects addresses off of their join page and mails your surfer direct links.. is that cheating?

I guess to some people it is. They're getting at least some of your traffic and you get nothing in return.

I am one of the good webmasters. When I do business, I expect business back. There is no other option.

.

[Ann Omness]

You want us to post our sites if we agree? We run an honest list and I do send out rejection emails if there's a fixable problem on a site. I will not bother sending a rejection notice if the problem isn't something the webmaster can fix without just making a new site. Examples:
Site title is totally misleading - content doesn't match
Overused content - someone else submitted same content recently
Multiple rules violations - if you don't take the time to see what the submission rules are, I don't take the time to write you a nice letter.

[swedguy]

As I said in the other thread, I send accept/reject emails. Feel free to apply for a submit account here: http://www.scorpiolinks.com/apply.php

[Adult Traffic]

Ok, I don't have either one of you in my recip table. I will add you right now.

You will be run alongside some large sites and I will get a very nice site out to you this afternoon just as soon as I get some time.

Thank you very much :)

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[Jel]

Hi AST,
I send out accept/rejection emails also, and would be glad to have you submit your sites :)

[Adult Traffic]

Thank you :)

I will have you added right away :)

[plateman]

I send accept emails and reject when its deserved some who continue to break rules get a few and then if they keep up I BL and lately I been BLing and sending very few reject emails..

[dareutwo]

I don't send rejection emails. Too much crap goes along with that. If that makes me dishonest, oh well. :)

[Cleo]

I'm a crook. I have bad breath and bad hair too.

[Verbal]

What dareutwo said. :)

[Adult Traffic]

I don't send rejection emails. Too much crap goes along with that. If that makes me dishonest, oh well. :)Well at least you take the time to make sure I get that link-laden e-mail right after I submit, huh? ;)

Not only do you not send reject e-mails, according to my server stats you only actually review 1 out of 6 sites anyhow, so, you don't even know that your recip is on them along with sites that are actually sending traffic. (which, I have removed).

Yea, you're the cornerstone of honesty. Forgive me.

The thread to bitch in is: HERE (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17265) , so please stop jumping my thread if you aren't going to "play by my rules". It's not posted for your own disgruntlement.

Thanks.

[Adult Traffic]

What dareutwo said. :)What I said.

Thanks.

[Adult Traffic]

cfnmparty
plateman
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added


Jays
Cleo
Verbal
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Removed. Thank you.

marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ?

AST

[Lizzie]

I don't send rejection emails. Too much crap goes along with that. If that makes me dishonest, oh well. :)
OK peeps..a little clarification here...

AST DID NOT say that those of you that do not send out e-mails are dishonest. He simply said those of you honest webmasters that DO send out e-mails....he would like an opprotunity to do business with you.

If you are an honest webmaster that doesn't send out e-mails, there is no need to respond...if you are an honest webmaster that DOES send out e-mails, then it's a business opprotunity..PERIOD.

Why is that so hard to understand...he didn't even imply that you are not honest if you don't send out accept/reject mails...jeez people, are you just looking for an argument?

[XPorn]

We don't send rejects every time.....most of our rejects are for very major reasons....IE missing images....horrible design....etc...

I 2nd dareutwo.

But do welcome your sites.....

XPorn

[Adult Traffic]

We don't send rejects every time.....most of our rejects are for very major reasons....IE missing images....horrible design

I'm not clear.

You don't send a reject mail if you just decide not to list it.

You do send a reject mail if it's a major infraction?

BTW..

I think I'm getting approval mails from you? I think you send those. That tells me at least you are reviewing sites and not skipping 5 out of 6 .. or .. reviewing them and just not listing any of them at all.

Ok. You get to stay.

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[XPorn]

Yea....we try to email OKed sites.....actually am updating the script to verify emails are set when they are OKed. The rejected sites normally don't get emailed unless we know it was an honest mistake....as opposed to a recip table all mis-sized...and popups...etc.

Keep in mind...we remind all our submitters to use our search feature to find your domains.....ie search on rootdomain.com ad see what is listed.

http://www.freesitexxx.com/cgi-bin/xxxx/search.cgi

Submit here http://www.freesitexxx.com/cgi-bin/xxxx/add.cgi
and our other LL here http://www.theporncollection.com/cgi-bin/xxx/add.cgi

XPorn

[Adult Traffic]

Thank you.

Actually, your first post a few days ago about that search function is what got me started doing some free sites :)

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[XPorn]

Great! Free sites vs TGP galleries are a different sorta creature....decent traffic up front....but SE traffic over the longer term....good luck!

XPorn

[Greenguy]

...If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send. I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.


BTW - This list:


I promise to build nice, attractive sites for you.
I promise to follow the rules.
I promise to use a real e-mail address, the one that comes to my outlook.
I promise to run your recip.
I promise to not remove your your recip for not listing some odd site, as long as you are honest with me day to day.
I promise to use above average content, because this helps us both.
I promise to not change the pages outside of the rules.
I promise to not redirect anyone and I believe that even surfers from Croatia or Yugoslavia have a right to view porn.
I promise to not remove the pages that I submitted.
I believe there is WAY more money in playing fair than any cheater could ever make.
That will get you listed everytime, no emails required :D

[Cleo]

Yeah that is what I was thinking

I do send an e-mail if it is a regular submitter but then it is extremely rare that there is a problem with a regular submitter's site.

My site also has a search function if someone wants to look for their stuff.

[Jim]

This thread took a turn for the grey and ugly quickly :)

[InsaneMidget]

Sounds good to me.

Signup for a submit account here to submit freesites:
http://thextimes.com/linklist/users/login.php

The site is not launched yet (but you can still submit sites, read the rules, grab the recip, etc...), it will be up and running by Thursday March 10th at the latest. Feel free to submit your sites (up to 10 a day)...I will make sure I send out rejection emails if need be.

|thumb

[Adult Traffic]

I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.Ok Mark, then answer this. When have you ever known me to fail calling a dog a dog. Face to face (on the boards, obviously), man to man? No matter WHO the playa is, was or thought they are? 12dicks, pumpsdogs even brad, who I really do admire in spite of the fact that he's a throbbing dick sometimes?

If I thought you were actually dishonest I would come to your board and post on the main forum why I thought it was so.

BTW - This list:
That will get you listed everytime, no emails required.Not true or we wouldn't be here.


Jim.. how's that? I don't see it. I'm actually accomplishing 2 things. I'm finding out who won't tell me if they don't list me but let me run their link, and I'm cleaning up my recip table.

It's my opinion that if someone is willing to mail you if you get rejected, then they actually have time to review and add sites rather than click, forget and dump them.

No?

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[Adult Traffic]

Sounds good to me.


You got it. Thank you.

[Lizzie]

I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.

The only ones complaining are the ones who don't send e-mails :)

All he is doing is trying to find places to submit free sites to that don't just reject his sites, and not tell him. That's it...if you don't do it like that then there was no need to respond, he never said it makes you dishonest. But why should we submit to those of you that don't let us know? If we wasted our time doing that, and you reject our sites, for whatever reason, we would still be running your recip and you'd potentially be getting traffic froma site you rejected, right?

So, by starting this thread, he was simply looking for those of you that are wiling to do what he asked..if you don't, then you don't, no need to post your info then :)

[Useless]

The only ones complaining are the ones who don't send e-mails :)
Honestly guys, the title of the thread created this poor tone. It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty. It's the very argumenative nature of this thread that is the reason many of us don't want to deal with angry rejected webmasters. I'm a small timer with no where near enough submissions to my list. I have plenty of time to review. I just don't have to time to argue about it.

[Greenguy]

...Not true or we wouldn't be here...That does bring up a good point - post some URL's that weren't listed & let me take a look at them :)



Lizzie - UW took the words out of my mouth )or off my keyboard as the case may be)

[Adult Traffic]

It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty.That may be if you feel that way, you have a right. However, it's not to say that if you don't send rejection mails you are dishonest.

If I send you 6 good sites and a) you review all but list none of them
or worse
b) you review 1 and dump 5 without even looking ..

Good sites we're talking about .. running your recip.. listed by other sites who are sending their traffic ..

Then we don't really call that honest business. And it's not because they just don't send out rejection mails, it's that they were either too tired, too bored or too whatever to even give a proper review.

Here's an analagy that fits close enough. Ok, all the TGPs popping up... You know that Russian Submitter (and other automated program) people work a lot of hours trying to toss out TGPs that do the same thing?

They just want that recip. It's not the same exactly, but close. Those are real cheaters, they never list a site or 100% CJ the ones they do list.

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[Verbal]

Adult Traffic, I love listing sites that meet the criterias you posted, so feel free to submit away. I do not reject sites from my serious submitters or board members unless there is a very good reason (which would cause other LL's to not list it either). Also, many LL's prefer to use this board to handle rejection questions or concerns so that everyone can learn from it, which usually works better than emails. :)

UW nicely said, I can already feel the love growing in here again. |lovers|

[Lizzie]

Honestly guys, the title of the thread created this poor tone. It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty. It's the very argumenative nature of this thread that is the reason many of us don't want to deal with angry rejected webmasters. I'm a small timer with no where near enough submissions to my list. I have plenty of time to review. I just don't have to time to argue about it.
OK, then why even post in this thread if you are one of the one's that doesn't send rejection e-mails? Just to argue? I don't get it...really...all we are looking for is people who will take the time to look at our sites, and if they reject them, just let us know so that we aren't running your recip....that is it.

You run your link list however you choose, if you choose not to let webmasters know that you rejected them and let them run your recip anyway, well, then, that says something right there I guess...

I realize everyone is soooo busy...but come on....

[Fonz]

I like to list clean sites too, and I send out rejection emails when I feel like it :)
... meaning when the site isn't complete crap submitted with an autosubmitter...

Time to go to bed, Goodnight |cool|

[Adult Traffic]

That does bring up a good point - post some URL's that weren't listed & let me take a look at them
I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care.

Everyone, list them in your blacklist.

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/chloe_18_site/index.shtml
http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small_teen_tits/index.shtml


http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/petite_teen_nipples/index.shtml
http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/teen_topanga_site/index.shtml


http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/nude_teen_outdoors/index.shtml
http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/teen_latina_babe/index.shtml

[Greenguy]

Lizzie - I was just about to tell you to read the other thread 1st - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17265 - but then I remember who you were in regards to the thread starter :D

[Lizzie]

Lizzie - I was just about to tell you to read the other thread 1st - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17265 - but then I remember who you were in regards to the thread starter :D
Yes, but it doesn't mean that I ALWAYS agree with him :)

[Adult Traffic]

Lizzie - but then I remember who you were in regards to the thread starter :D
In bed with the enemy.

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[Thumbler]

Interesting looking sites.......

[Adult Traffic]

Interesting looking sites.......
Interesting looking stats.

[swedguy]

I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care.

Everyone, list them in your blacklist.

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/chloe_18_site/index.shtml
http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small_teen_tits/index.shtml


http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/petite_teen_nipples/index.shtml
http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/teen_topanga_site/index.shtml


http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/nude_teen_outdoors/index.shtml
http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/teen_latina_babe/index.shtml
I just checked 2 of them (A Teen Topanga and Trixy Teeen) and I would probably not list either.

1. Too many outgoing links (your own links that are included in the recip table)
2. Not clearly marked gallery links. I didn't find them until I clicked around on the links that I though it might be.
3. 28 recips is a TAD much

[Thumbler]

Interesting looking stats.
You've lost me

[Adult Traffic]

You've lost meI wouldn't have if you were promoting them and you had interesting looking stats too.

[Greenguy]

I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care....I think I was replying to you PM when you posted this :)



swedguy - that's what I told him too, plus a little more :D

[Adult Traffic]

I just checked 2 of them (A Teen Topanga and Trixy Teeen) and I would probably not list either.

1. Too many outgoing links (your own links that are included in the recip table)
2. Not clearly marked gallery links. I didn't find them until I clicked around on the links that I though it might be.
3. 28 recips is a TAD much
Well then they're shit.

At least someone could tell me, I'd pull their recip and go on about submitting to sites that didn't think the same way.

That's all I ask.

If they're too shitty to list they're too shitty to have your link on, right?

[Adult Traffic]

swedguy - that's what I told him too, plus a little more :DCan I post the problems/responses from the PM here?

[Greenguy]

You're the one that took it to PM, so post away :)

Hell, you can even post the part where I said piss was good for the board :D

[Thumbler]

I wouldn't have if you were promoting them and you had interesting looking stats too.
My stats are fine thanks.

[Adult Traffic]

Well, I wanted to ask first.

MrMaryLou reviewed this one but I think I can tell at least a few of the reasons we declined it:

1 - 28 recips might be a tad bit too many - plus having that many make them look rather small. I tend to go with 12-15 per site when I build

2 - the last row in the recip table, we consider those towards the "3 banners/ads" since they are not trades with Link Lists

3 - just form a design POV, I'd move the HPA above the recips :)

4 - what's with the thumbs on the bottom that are not linked? (that sets off bells with us because we tend to think that people will put links on them after we list the site)

5 - it did take me a bit to find the gallery links, mostly because one was up in the corner & the other is in the middle of the page with not text other than the link.

6 - your galleries have a serious lack of nudity


Thanks :)

Well, I don't really know how to build freesites, these are the first ones. Thanks for looking.

Let me explain my reasoning. No reason I can't change things.

1) I thought that's what everyone wanted, to be on the page with everyone else.

2) Ok. I can take them off. I just wanted to feed them SE hits.

3) I thought everyone wanted their links first. I thought they all wanted to be before the enter (or sponsor) link. I thought they would like to have first shot at the surfer before the ad.

4) They have alt tags. Also, look at the image name (properties) of them. That's all. I can remove them.

5) I know they are there for content. That's what's wrong with the broken TGP model. I don't really want them looking at my pics. I know they want to, but I want them to have to hunt for them. I want to make them look at my ads, not be banner blind.

6) I know. I want them to pay me to see naked girls. This is a business :) Totals: 4242 - 9 - 1:471 - $119.75 (50% revshare) on pure gallery traffic .

[swedguy]

Well then they're shit.

At least someone could tell me, I'd pull their recip and go on about submitting to sites that didn't think the same way.

That's all I ask.

If they're too shitty to list they're too shitty to have your link on, right?
They're not shit, they just don't follow most link lists rules.


I don't say that this is the case for you, but I'm just going to say how I work :)

If my site got accepted at 90-95% of the LL's, I don't worry about the 5-10% that it didn't get listed at. It was most likely that they had enough of those kind of sites, overused content etc.

If only 50% accepted it, then I have done something seriously wrong. I would post the site on this board and get tips from other what the error might be or ask a friend that also does free sites, just to get a second opinion. Or just read couple of LL's rules and then try to look at my site again and see what I might have done wrong. Ask others never hurt :)

I don't expect anyone else to tell me what I've done wrong. If I posted to the link lists and they didn't list me, then I probably broke one of their rules and I need to go back and look what I can do better for my next site. But it sure is appreciated when someone tells me what's wrong, it saves me time. But that means I took time away from them, even tough I was the one that made the error.

[Greenguy]

I was gonna reply until you spammed |couch|

[Thumbler]

This kind of crap will get you banned - how the fuck did I end up here (http://adult-site-traffic.com/stats/?VFJDSz0xMjM2) (which at the time was an AFF page) when I clicked on one of the links?

[swedguy]

5) I know they are there for content. That's what's wrong with the broken TGP model. I don't really want them looking at my pics. I know they want to, but I want them to have to hunt for them. I want to make them look at my ads, not be banner blind.

6) I know. I want them to pay me to see naked girls. This is a business :) Totals: 4242 - 9 - 1:471 - $119.75 (50% revshare) on pure gallery traffic
You have to see it from the link list owners point of view too. He/she is the one that has the traffic.

5,6. If the surfer (that came from the link list) can't find the content, he will not be a happy camper. Imagine him running into 20 sites like that at the same LL, do you think he will came back to that LL? Nope, he will go to another place where he can actually find sites with pics.
You can still sell and yet provide content for the surfer/LL. Don't hide anything or do any tricks.

[CybrFire]

I gotta agree with Swedguy...the gallery links were a little hard to find and too many outgoing links. BUT, if you could redo the layout so joe surfer could look at it once and locate the gallery links, then it wouldn't be a problem. All the links you provided pretty much looked the same...if you've got alot of differant templates to use, then you can add me in to your list of places to submit to. I'm not a GG or Penisbot traffic-wise (working on it...maybe someday soon), but I'll still list you.

As per the recip table, if you could cut it down to 12-15, then not a problem. See my sig below for both of my sites to submit to. And I do send out accept/reject emails and even take the time to point out problems etc., with submits.

|peace|

[Greenguy]

Well, I wanted to ask first.

Thanks :)

Well, I don't really know how to build freesites, these are the first ones. Thanks for looking.That's part of the reason we are here - we can help you before AND after you submit, especially before for those that are new to Free Sites :)

Let me explain my reasoning. No reason I can't change things.

1) I thought that's what everyone wanted, to be on the page with everyone else.I think my rules say that I'd like to see at least 5 other Link Lists. 12-15 is usually fine, 28 is too many IMHO & just dilutes them. Remember, it's a traffic trade :D

2) Ok. I can take them off. I just wanted to feed them SE hits.Make a hub, link to it in with the recips, list the Free Site on the hub, filter traffic back & forth :)

3) I thought everyone wanted their links first. I thought they all wanted to be before the enter (or sponsor) link. I thought they would like to have first shot at the surfer before the ad.I'm happy as long as the link is above the "enter" link so people can see it.

4) They have alt tags. Also, look at the image name (properties) of them. That's all. I can remove them.Silly SE trickery :D

5) I know they are there for content. That's what's wrong with the broken TGP model. I don't really want them looking at my pics. I know they want to, but I want them to have to hunt for them. I want to make them look at my ads, not be banner blind.But you have to remember that we as Link List owners want our surfers to be happy & able to find things & whatnot.

6) I know. I want them to pay me to see naked girls. This is a business :) Totals: 4242 - 9 - 1:471 - $119.75 (50% revshare) on pure gallery traffic So sign up here now (http://admin.teenrevenue.com/cgi/click?account=316627&site=4&program=3 ) Spammer :D

Do these reasons I gave you make at least a little bit of sense?

[Adult Traffic]

This kind of crap will get you banned - how the fuck did I end up here (http://adult-site-traffic.com/stats/?VFJDSz0xMjM2) (which at the time was an AFF page) when I clicked on one of the links?

No you didn't. You tried to browse by the address bar, and got a 404 didn't you?

[Adult Traffic]

I was gonna reply until you spammed |couch|

It's gone. I wasn't spamming, I was adding the punch line to my stats. :)

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[Greenguy]

heheheheheheheeheh

[Mateusz]

Don't think I'm too picky - I just advice you what you shall do to get listed EVERYWHERE (however my rules are much more tolerant)
Reduce pics size under 100k - preferably below 50k
Don't make gallery links smallest on page
Dont overdo with outgoing links (3 max is a standard today)

I've tried 24 recip sites and they got listed at the beggining - past time I got troubles with getting listed by some sites but (I'm not SE guru but) I didn't notice any SE advantages in making only 1 doorway page

[Adult Traffic]

Do these reasons I gave you make at least a little bit of sense?Yes. I really thought it was a kick ass site(s) but I see they need some work.

[Thumbler]

No you didn't. You tried to browse by the address bar, and got a 404 didn't you?
Wrong. It's a link on your site that's fucked up, Mr Clever Dick. Or is it Dick Clever? :D
Ask me nicely and I'll tell you what it is :D

[Mateusz]

Yep, it was one site (dont count banner change as new template) - there are some freaks on the Board who ban for templates. LOL

[Adult Traffic]

Wrong. It's a link on your site that's fucked up, Mr Clever Dick. Or is it Dick Clever? :D
Ask me nicely and I'll tell you what it is :D

No.

I'll find it myself. Stop looking at my porn unless you're going to buy something.

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[Adult Traffic]

Yep, it was one site (dont count banner change as new template) - there are some freaks on the Board who ban for templates. LOL

Sure they do, and I don't blame them, but 6 sites, first and only sites could hardly be "templating". Maybe it could.

I just haven't had time to build more front ends. I have other custom galleries also.

[Thumbler]

No.

I'll find it myself. Stop looking at my porn unless you're going to buy something.
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LMAO. I've seen more porn in a Victoria's Secret catalogue.

Anyway, what's up - can't you afford the bandwidth? :D

[MadMax]

Hey AST, I'd be happy to have your submits. I always send decline emails with explanations in them :)

[Adult Traffic]

Let me ask this while we're all here.

Are LL owners going to make me run their ugly asses odd sized flashing buttons to get a listing, or are they generally going to accept the more valuable and beautiful text links?

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[Thumbler]

Most people will take text recips - but not 28 of them :(

[Adult Traffic]

LMAO. I've seen more porn in a Victoria's Secret catalogue.

Anyway, what's up - can't you afford the bandwidth? :D

What? I don't get you. If you had any idea how much BW I burn you'd shit your pants :)

Here. When we had all the sites on CSW, I was the top affiliate. On my own bandwidth, not the hosted galleries. |cool|

[Lizzie]

LMAO. I've seen more porn in a Victoria's Secret catalogue.

Anyway, what's up - can't you afford the bandwidth? :D
ooooh, a big meanine on chat boards...your mom must be so proud |pokefun|

[Adult Traffic]

Most people will take text recips - but not 28 of them :(

Ok, so I can just split it in half or 3rds and make extra pages.

[Thumbler]

This is the HTML you need to change BTW

a href="2/chloe_18_site.shtml"
font face="Arial" color="#6B009A">Chloe-18 Posing Doggy and Showing her Small
Teen Tits

Obviously the '2' needs removing

[Adult Traffic]

CybrFire and MadMax, thank you. I'll get you added in. :)

[Thumbler]

What? I don't get you. If you had any idea how much BW I burn you'd shit your pants :)

Here. When we had all the sites on CSW, I was the top affiliate. On my own bandwidth, not the hosted galleries. |cool|
For fuck's sake - IT WAS A JOKE

[Adult Traffic]

This is the HTML you need to change BTW

a href="2/chloe_18_site.shtml"
font face="Arial" color="#6B009A">Chloe-18 Posing Doggy and Showing her Small
Teen Tits

Obviously the '2' needs removing

Thank you :D

[Thumbler]

ooooh, a big meanine on chat boards...your mom must be so proud |pokefun|
She probably would be if she wasn't dead

[Thumbler]

Thank you :D
You're welcome |thumb

[Adult Traffic]

The link should be:

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small_teen_tits/2/small_teen_tits.shtml

[Thumbler]

Ok, so I can just split it in half or 3rds and make extra pages.
Basically yes , but there are some LL owners who will only take an 'index' page so you need to be a bit careful. A lot of people get round it by doing an 'index.html' page, and a 'warning.html' page and an 'enter.html' page and so on.

[Thumbler]

The link should be:

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small_teen_tits/2/small_teen_tits.shtml
That's more like it |thumb

[Adult Traffic]

For fuck's sake - IT WAS A JOKE

I never know how to take you so I just play it safe . :)

[Greenguy]

LMAO

[Adult Traffic]

Basically yes , but there are some LL owners who will only take an 'index' page so you need to be a bit careful. A lot of people get round it by doing an 'index.html' page, and a 'warning.html' page and an 'enter.html' page and so on.
Or put the main page and 2 galleries in a folder and then put 2 or 3 index.shtml page folders in it and link back to the main keyword folder.

[Thumbler]

I never know how to take you so I just play it safe . :)
LOL. Look, I'm a sarcastic bastard with a very dry sense of humor, and I know that sometimes on a chat board the way a message is received isn't always the way it's sent -which is why normally I try and put emiticons in like :D

Maybe when I'm talking to you I need to put a few extra ones in..... :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Tommy]

marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ?

AST

I dont like that comment!!!
its very insulting and personal

I wouldnt list ya just for that comment

you just insult and put down anyone who doesnt list you or who wont send you rejection emails

I hope the other LL owners take that in to consideration when deciding on approving your partner accounts

[Cleo]

I dont like that comment!!!
its very insulting and personal

I wouldnt list ya just for that comment

you just insult and put down anyone who doesnt list you or who wont send you rejection emails

I hope the other LL owners take that in to consideration when deciding on approving your partner accounts
I've been keeping quiet but I'm very glad that Tommy brought this up and completely agree.

[Wazza]

Rehosted hosted gals don't get listed very often...

[swedguy]

hmm, I must've missed that comment.

[Adult Traffic]

I dont like that comment!!!
its very insulting and personal

I wouldnt list ya just for that commentYep, it's all me. Guess you need to read on some of the other stuff Tommy . |thumb

Good thing everyone doesn't conduct business on personal feelings or we'd all be screwed. |cool|

And .. It's not so much "doesn't list" as it is "doesn't even bother to look" BTW.

.

[Adult Traffic]

I wouldnt list ya just for that comment
You know the funny thing? What are you going to decline a site because someone made fun or DareTwo (who.. maybe had it coming)?

That's pretty valid ..

But, If I wanted a link on your site, you couldn't stop me and I don't care who you are.

You have NO idea where my hundred some odd domains are.

Watch and see if I don't pay my 50 bucks and get a link on your site.

K ?

.

[Thumbler]

I am almost speechless

[Adult Traffic]

I am almost speechlessWhy? Because it appears that I don't know who Tommy is, or because I'm not intimidated?

You think I should kiss up because Tommy doesn't like how I treated daretwo who probably had it coming?

daretwo jumped into my thread don't forget...

.

[Tommy]

ya know its been a long time since I had a real beef with anyone
this could be fun

I think you should applogize to Dare and to me

[Adult Traffic]

I am almost speechlessDid you happen to notice that all the other comments and insults flying around here between people not in the loop was OK, but when someone who is in the loop is involved then it becomes a crime worthy of blacklist.

;)

Okey. Yea.

.

[Jim]

Told you it was turning ugly

[Greenguy]

I think he should apologize too! Such rudeness!

|couch|

[Greenguy]

OH!

We will be talking about this on the Radio Show - starts in 25 minutes :D

http://www.greenguysboard.com/radio.html

[Adult Traffic]

ya know its been a long time since I had a real beef with anyone
this could be fun

I think you should applogize to Dare and to me

I won't do that Tommy, you don't know me (and I don't know you) but if you did you'd realize that's not going to happen.

Dare jumped into my thread and whatever comes of that is between him and I. He's a grownup webmaster, he doesn't need his back watched.

You on the other hand are willing to blacklist (or whatever) someone's SITES because they said something bad on an adlut webmaster board .. not for cheating or something real..

You should appologize to me. I don't know you, but if I did I have a feeling that's not going to happen.

Right?

.

[Adult Traffic]

Told you it was turning uglyDon't go pretending you have ESP now Jim ..


|angry|

[Adult Traffic]

OH!

We will be talking about this on the Radio Show - starts in 25 minutes :D

http://www.greenguysboard.com/radio.html
Well fuck.

I'm starting to become the blacksheep of the family on that radio show .

I want my own black sheep smiley icon.

[Tommy]

Tim
I dont think your insult was a crime worty of being blacklisted but I do think it was very unprofessional

and daring me to find your stuff was very stupid

ya know I been doing this around 9 years in that time I have run down the info on hundreds of cheaters and scumbags. After 9 years ya get good at it

honestly I dont wanna sound like I am tooting my own horn but all i have to do is put your sponsor codes/domains in my spider, see where your sites are listed and email the tgp/LL owners and ask them for a small favor
nobody would say no

[Adult Traffic]

Tim
I dont think your insult was a crime worty of being blacklisted ... My name isn't Tim, it's K. C.

And I don't think it was a worthy crime either. I've done a lot of things to piss people off, you and Dare aren't the first and you won't be the last.

I didn't dare you to find my stuff, and you couldn't anyhow. I'm not new either and I don't just have 3 domains on 1 server, but then, you probably know that by now.

I actually even have a registrar in Turkey and a domain in Russia. And Yes Tommy, I know who you are, but man, you're not some juju web god. You could never find *all* my stuff. If I *wanted*, I could have a link on your site.

But I don't. So toot on that, k?

Now, I've been out here 7 years. I don't have just one sponsor.

You have the links to my teen rev program, but you know what I have 2 accounts over there. Maybe you could ask Chris or Paolo or Kevin what it is, but I seriously doubt they'd give it to you anyhow.

BTW, just because I have a problem with someone, that doesn't make me a cheater or scumbag. If you think that then GFY whoever you are.
And buddy, you ain't the only tracker on the web. Sample (http://www.adult-site-traffic.com/adult_traffic/fraud.shtml). I've ripped plenty of cheaters right off the web. Please don't make me cross link to prove it.

Anyway, I doubt your spider will do much good. I only have those links on those 3 sites and I only have those 6 freesites. That's all I ever built.

Everything else is paid. Are you going to tell them to give back my money and delete my links just for you?

Ok :)

Puhleaze Tommy.

I didn't start a war with you, now why are you jumping in my thread like dare did, but trying to threaten me?

Oh, BTW did I call you stupid? I think you should appologize.

Huh ?

Now, we don't have to kiss and make up, but we don't do business either so why are you here?

AST

[Tommy]

well see

[Adult Traffic]

well see

Do what you want then, and piss off I guess.

Remember, you're the one who came to me. :)

[Lizzie]

Tim
I dont think your insult was a crime worty of being blacklisted but I do think it was very unprofessional

and daring me to find your stuff was very stupid

ya know I been doing this around 9 years in that time I have run down the info on hundreds of cheaters and scumbags. After 9 years ya get good at it

honestly I dont wanna sound like I am tooting my own horn but all i have to do is put your sponsor codes/domains in my spider, see where your sites are listed and email the tgp/LL owners and ask them for a small favor
nobody would say no
Wow, you have alot of nerve to say that just because someone asked if anyone even goes to your site. Do you realize how silly this is? Wow!

So your going to ask sponsors to give out private info so you can avenge your wondeful name? You are threatening to get tgps to blacklist someone simply because they said something you don't like? People in this business never seem to amaze me.

[plateman]

I stand with tommy and your sites are not shit you need to read the rules and you wont have to worry about a rejection email and when you piss off people that know all the LL and tgp owners your barking up the wrong tree..

[Lizzie]

I stand with tommy and your sites are not shit you need to read the rules and you wont have to worry about a rejection email and when you piss off people that know all the LL and tgp owners your barking up the wrong tree..
Do you guys realize this is not the Adult Porn Mafia! My gosh can't you see how completely dumb this is? You'll stand by WHAT? Someone made a coment about a site and then gets threatened? You stand behind that?

Wow...just because he is 'Tommy', he can do or say whatever he wants and you all just kiss his ass so that YOU don't get blacklisted? Come on.......

[Adult Traffic]

I stand with tommy.Most people would. I doubt they'll notice that he came into MY thread and jumped on me for .. why?

Oh, I know. It was because I said no one goes to marks-links. I remember. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://marks-links.com

Because some fully grown webmaster needs backup.

That's why. Now you think Tommy needs some backup or what?

Ok :)

[Greenguy]

We Link List owners do tend to stick together :D

[Adult Traffic]

We Link List owners do tend to stick together :D

Oh yea? Why didn't you threaten to shut all of my sites down for hurting Dare's feelings (for jumping in my thread that said this wasn't a place to bitch)?

[plateman]

WTF you come in here and talk like a asshole and insult people and want rejection emails when your sites clearly show you dont read any rules..

[Greenguy]

Because I was too busy defending my presence in YOUR thread :D

[natalie]

i guess at least he hasnt threatened to sue yet LOL

[Adult Traffic]

Because I was too busy defending my presence in YOUR thread

And that's why YOU didn't threaten to shut down MY sites because I hurt DARE's feelings.

That's what you're telling me .. ?

[Lizzie]

It's kinda like the mob mentality I guess...
All AST did was start a thread asking questions...my gosh people...if link listing causes you this much anxiety, maybe you should find a new line of work?

[plateman]

And dare many times I felt like telling him to shove his picky reviewing BUT i didnt and IF you follow the rules you will get listed, very simple..

[Lizzie]

i guess at least he hasnt threatened to sue yet LOL
Who?

[Lizzie]

And dare many times I felt like telling him to shove his picky reviewing BUT i didnt and IF you follow the rules you will get listed, very simple..
That isn't the problem...he said he would change things on his sites. He was more than willing to do what needed to be done.

But this whole dumb Tommy thing is just stupid! That someone gets that uptight about a comment...jeez....

[Adult Traffic]

And dare many times I felt like telling him to shove his picky reviewing BUT i didnt and IF you follow the rules you will get listed, very simple..
What?

My main bitch with Dare is that he reviewed one site and dumped 5 (without looking).

Yea, let me build a few dozen more for nothing.

.

[plateman]

What?

My main bitch with Dare is that he reviewed one site and dumped 5 (without looking).

Yea, let me build a few dozen more for nothing.

.

Every LL owner does most the same thing after you see the same people do the same stuff over and over and ignore the rules I just delete them and soon I black list.. The time it takes to review 100 sites and edit the descriptions and check whois we dont have time to keep fucking with people seding rejections and looking at the same stuff.. every once in awhile I'll look at the sites before I black list and see if they changed and if not its gone - takes way to much time other wise - sorry if you fix your sites I will list them and others mat too..

[plateman]

So what you want is a email saying your sites are junk and I wont list or I am black listing - thats crazy on one will do that.. we dont have time..

[Adult Traffic]

Every LL owner does most the same thing after you see the same people do the same stuff over and over and ignore the rules .

You're not listening man :(

I only ever built and submitted 6 freesites. Ever.

Dare reviewed 1, There's nothing to blacklist.

And finally, why would you list my freesites if I fixed the problem when Tommy just got done saying that no one would because he said so?

You just got done saying you stand with Tommy. You can't list my sites man, Tommy said you can't.

.

[Lizzie]

So what you want is a email saying your sites are junk and I wont list or I am black listing - thats crazy on one will do that.. we dont have time..
Quite a few link list owners said they DO in fact send out rejection e-mails. As far as not having the time, well, that's why this thread was started in the first place.

Why is everyone that doesn't send rejection mails still posting in this thread. It clearly says those of you that DO send e-mails. We want to know if our site is rejected so we aren't running your recip. PERIOD.

[plateman]

You're not listening man :(

I only ever built and submitted 6 freesites. Ever.

Dare reviewed 1, There's nothing to blacklist.

And finally, why would you list my freesites if I fixed the problem when Tommy just got done saying that no one would because he said so?

You just got done saying you stand with Tommy. You can't list my sites man, Tommy said you can't.

.
Because he never sent the order..

[Adult Traffic]

So what you want is a email saying your sites are junk and I wont list or I am black listing - thats crazy on one will do that.. we dont have time..

Then .. who is posting under your nic (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showpost.php?p=137336&postcount=9) ?

.

[Adult Traffic]

Because he never sent the order..

You at least have a sense of humor :)

[plateman]

Gabbo did hehe I never posted that... he hacked me...

[plateman]

yeah where is that little sob at, you know the guy with the blue shoes..

[Adult Traffic]

LOL.

I thought that was the deal. LOL

Well, I'm exhausted. I just want to go refresh my sponsor stats and count my money before Tommy dries it all up :(

See you :)

[amber438]

I send reject/acceptance emails..well, the script does anyway..I'm backlogged but do review myself (thank god for anti virus/spyware/trojan/firewall programs) and, unless your link name and description look kinda like this

"Hard Boosty Woman And Blacks Ducks

Boosty sucks and anal action with blacks ducks" (visions of some guy or chick doing daffy duck here..)

if you're honest and make interesting sites, I accept.

[Adult Traffic]

if you're honest and make interesting sites, I accept.

Thank you Amber.

Ok I will add you into my table. Yes, I'm honest and make interesting sites, can spell, and I make nice descriptions :)

AST

[LowryBigwood]

You guys remind me of a couple I saw a while back...

Why on earth are you in here starting trouble, instead of making productive business? In my opinion, It was very unneccasary.

[Adult Traffic]

You guys remind me of a couple I saw a while back...

Why on earth are you in here starting trouble, instead of making productive business? In my opinion, It was very unneccasary.

I was making business. Evidently some people can't read the original post and feel the need to bring their own trouble in.

Too bad for them.

Now I have some guy who thinks he's the shit, his friend got told something that made him feel bad, so now he's going to go around and make up something with link list owners and TGP sites because he thinks they'll ban me because he "says so"..

I say "make up something" because .. they don't usually ban for hurting someones feelings .. so .. ?

But then again, go back and read the original post. Then go find the thread where you post what you feel is necessary and what's not, because this isn't that thread.

This is the thread where link list owners who want my sites and don't pull any shit post their URLs.

Thanks

.

[Chop Smith]

Not much to be learned here but thanks for the entertainment.

Tommy, can I be your lieutenant?

[Linkster]

I wasnt going to get into this as its way too late but since a question was asked way back - actually I guess it was more a statement - here goes:

#1 - Coming into the free site game with those sites as your first attempt will more than likely, if anyone takes the time to review them, get you banned. I believe you listed "following the rules" as one of your stated terms to this "trade", and I can tell you right off the starting block that every one of them breaks ever LL owners rules out there that I know of - ranging from using "free-hosted gallery templates" as your galleries, using sponsor content, using blind links on your sponsor links - and misdirection - what is displayed on mouseover is not where the surfer ends up due to your php script, after the first one "overused templates", and the use of the words young and teen in the titles of at least two sites and most of the sponsor pages, (which BTW prevents me from listing them due to my being an original member of the ASACP and that is one of our guidelines to not accept sites that pander to CP), not using the approved recips as stated in the rules (ex. Tommys), and I could go on and on.

Secondly, I dont know where this rock-throwing attitude comes from, but the first post I ever remember reading of yours was calling other traffic providors scum and scammers, while trying to spam your own traffic site on this and many other boards in the industry - so please don't tell others not to jump into your threads when you do it yourself. As a matter of fact I had used and still do use one of your "proported scammers" and have been extremely happy with them for years - and they are not a reseller.

Setting guidelines for your submits, is about the most obnoxious statement I've ever heard in this business (and yes Im much older than you and have been around much longer), especially from a total unknown submitter, with domains that were just bought last month, and thinking that you are doing LL owners a favor by giving them these autogenerated templated sites.

For yours - and many others info - the recip you put on your site does not do an established Link List any good in the search engines - as a matter of fact it's the other way around - our link to you gives you a boost in the SE's - FACT.

When Dare posts about the 8 hits a year that we get from those recips - thats after sending you hundreds if not thousands of targetted search engine traffic hits that can convert on a well done free site at 1:30 - FACT

The board like this one and others that were mentioned that we used to all work for back in the day for LL owners, have always been the place to get answers to free site submission questions - if you don't like that system and would prefer a silver-engraved invitation and rejection notice - I might consider it if you can get rid of the 500 bounced rejection notices I was sending out every day.
There are reasons for everything in this business - and just because you think that business to business is the only way to play this game - you are a long way off. Many people that have been around this business for a while know that most of the deals that we make to accept free sites from people (a good 50% daily for me) come from going to shows, networking etc. They don't come from threads like this I can tell you for a fact.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you really have been in the TGP game for a while, then you know that you can submit to TGPs for months on end without being accepted (and no rejection notice) and then finally after either meeting someone that knows someone, or after the reviewers become familiar with your work, then you finally start being accepted. On the other hand if you are just doing paid submits to TGPs then you weren't in the TGP game a few years ago and have no idea what I'm talking about.

Finally - I'm going to have to side with Tommy and the others - that you set expectations about how you want to run your business is fine - but as most that are sucessful in business know - sometimes you have to change your expectations to fit others rules and their expectations if you want to do business with them. Your statements do warrant not only an apology to some - but I would go a little farther and tell you that the original title of this thread was the reason I put it on total ignore up until now as I was likewise offended but wuite frankly I would say with your attitude none of this will change a damn thing and I'm probably setting my "expectations" way too high.

[Adult Traffic]

Too much to read there but thanks for that.

Maybe tomorrow if I have time.

[Kezza]

Three Cheers for Linkster!!! |bananna|

[Lizzie]

......
My gosh you guys are a bunch of high and mighty link listers.

Listen, if you don't want to list our sites, even after they have been gone over with the politely worded advice today, then that is your problem. This thread was started to find lists that were willing to send a rejection e-mail so that we wouldn't be running a recip for someone that wasn't listing our site.

There was alot of helpful advice and like AST said, we were more than willing to make changes. But I have got to tell you, I have been in this business for almost 7 years now and I have never met more egotistical bunch of people than alot of you link listers.

We were trying to learn to do it right, but at the same time just wanted it to be fair, and most of you could care less if it's fair to the webmasters that are submitting to you.

We have been in almost every aspect the adult game. We just wanted to give freesites a shot. So our first one's were't great, were yours? I highly doubt it. Instead of everyone jumping in and giving their 2 cents, why couldn't you just stay out of the thread that didn't concern you in the slightest IF you were a link list that didn't send rejection e-mails?

The only people this thread concerned were those of you that DO send e-mails and alot do and alot posted that they do and we will change our sites to comply with the sites we submit to, it really is that simple.

As far as traffic goes and scammers, well, we didn't just start in that area o adult, if we find a scammer that gives the rest of the traffic sellers/producers a bad name, then we will say so publicly on any board that will let us.

We have suceeded in the adult business by being honest and trustworty. That is just how we do things....and that is all we asked in return.

I know that GG doesn't mind piss on his board as he so eloquently stated tonight on his show, but I'm really tired of it. If you guys don't like us and don't like our sites, fine...I think we'll get over it...

[Kinky]

I'm not a link list that sends out rejection e-mails but I thought I would throw my two drunken cents in.... first off you are not the first submitters to get pissed about not having you sites listed, and you will not be the last...

and I know that having a recip on your site that doesn't list you seems like a big F U at first but if you follow the rules you will get listed a majority of the time... but you are going about rectifying the situation the wrong way here...

this is not a negative comment whatsoever but it is obvious that you haven't been around the link list world very long... the sites you posted didn't follow the link lists rules which causes them not to be listed, and most of the big link lists just don't have the time to explain why the site isn't listed, and they weed through so much crap everyday that they get sick of it and when they see a problem such as way too many outgoing links on the first page, it is an instant delete and if they get 6 submits with the same thing you get blacklisted pretty fast... it is nothing personal but this thread has turned it into that with all the jabbing back and forth...

even most of the link lists posting in this thread that say they send out rejection e-mails ar not going to list those sites when they review them... just my opinion but I would let this thread go, post a new one with the urls of your sites that don't get listed, and ask why (which has been done in this thread somewhat)... it will be a lot more productive for everybody in the long run... and making a submit list based on who sends out rejection e-mails is not a good idea as you will not get the traffic to your sites that you could if you just ask a few questions and for a little bit of help...

and again this is not a negative jab at you at all, but no matter how nice you think your sites look most of the link lists don't really need your submits, they have plenty of submits everyday that they can list instead, whether you believe it or not they really do want to list as many sites as possible, and if you build up a trusted relationship with sites then thingss get a whole lot easier also ;)

[ClickBuster]

I want you all to know that this is the most boring thread I've ever read.

I don't care who's winning and who's losing and that kind of shit - you all have to be a bunch of locos to spend your time in reading this pile of shit.

I did it and I feel like it was a total waste of time... There's no useful information in this thread and it made the GG&J mboard look like GFY which is something I really hate to see, because at GFY I have to read 20 damn pages to find something meaningful AND most of the time I find shit - only adult webmasters with a lot of time to spend in bitching at each other... not good and very lame in some aspects of my point of view...

-- Andrew

[Linkster]

Lizzie - This thread was started with a premise that your partner agreed to in a later post that he considers Link list owners dishonest if they get a recip and dont list the site - Im not trying to start any piss - and for those that know me, I only try to give out helpful advice to newbies starting out in the game - which is what I was trying to do

I agree about the sites needing some work and thats the best part about this board is its the place to check those sites before they get submitted - what threw me off is after being told that a bunch of places wouldnt list you - you are still running their recips??? Why not just take them off those sites and submit them elsewhere that might list them?

I was basing my (hopefully helpful in your site building) opinions so that you could avoid some of the pitfalls that can happen when starting a new venture like this - if you dont like my opinion or my help - thats fine - lots of people have and some havent - not a big deal - if that sounds egotistical so be it - but I have to say thats the first time I've ever been called that :)

The other problem is the premise that you started with and a lot of the large link list owners obviously took offense - which is their right - and what I was trying to point out is that starting out trying to get traffic to free sites with just submitting to LLs that send rejection emails will not make you sucessful in the free site biz - maybe it came across differently, but it was just some advice that you might consider changing your game plan as it is based on a false premise - that a link list gets any benefit from a recip (evidently you think that the SEs care about them) other than a few hits a year and if you dont have time to check to see if you are listed and if not - pull the recip - then you don't have the time to do this free site thing correctly.
I guess an anology would be, wouldn't it be a smart biz decision to check your stats to see if the way a free site is built is selling? and If not change the way you build them? This is exactly the same thing as just simply checking the link lists after you submit to see if you are getting listed, as None of the large link lists other than R's R (and those rejection emails are usually wrong anyway) even send the emails, so why base your whole biz model on something that doesnt exist?
I can also tell you that basing an opinion on whether a site was looked at or reviewed on where the hit came from is probably not a good assumption - most of the larger LLs use proxys, fake user agents etc to find out what really happens to their surfers when deciding to list a site - so seeing someones admin area hits is not a good indicator. Most of us are now also running scripts that check whois info, redirections etc that are much more sophisticated than what you are used to in the TGP world - very rarely will you be able to tell when someone has reviewed your site.

Last - your last statement about why dont the LL owners who dont like the sites stay out of this - I believe most people on this board try to help everyone by donating their time here - unlike the other boards, almost every post in this thread has had some helpful advice - its up to you to do what you want with it :)

[Greenguy]

AST - I didn't reply to you about your comments to Dare because I didn't see them - like I said, I was too busy pissing with you. (I still haven't looked at them - forgot to last night)

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs.

I'm off to find the "dare" posts :D

[Greenguy]

cfnmparty
plateman
..
added


Jays
Cleo
Verbal
..
Removed. Thank you.

marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ?

AST
FOUND IT! :D

You know, dare basically said the same this me. I really have no idea how much traffic he has (fuck, I don't even know how much traffic I have) but I do know that he is a very well respected member of the Link List community & this board & he is also a friend of mine (and I know he's a friend of others on the board too)

So when you bitch slap him & make a comment like that, yes, anyone that knows dare will take that as a slap in their face as well & back him up.

I don't think the LinkList/FreeSite game is for you.

[amadman]

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs. That is about what I was thinking GG.

They are totally going against the grain.

[MrMaryLou]

Its real simple their sites, their traffic, their choice :) Now its a small world Dare although I have never meant the man I trust him and many others it is a small world in the LL world take a shot at one or any is a no no. Time for a new filing in my mental Rolodex :D

[Lizzie]

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs.

I'm off to find the "dare" posts :D
No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread :)

If you just could have tried not to get your high and mighty attitudes in here we would have submitted our sites to those that send e-mails, been rejected, fixed whatever needed to be fixed and re submitted them.

It is that simple.

[Tommy]

No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread :)



the title of this thread is
Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.
it says nothing about rejection emails

I noticed your boyfriend keeps saying this is his thread, and dare and me both jumped in it so we had a bashing coming

this is a public thread and he doesnt own this board and if you ask the owners of this board I am sure they will tell you we are welcome to post in any thread

[Lizzie]

the title of this thread is
Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.
it says nothing about rejection emails

I noticed your boyfriend keeps saying this is his thread, and dare and me both jumped in it so we had a bashing coming

this is a public thread and he doesnt own this board and if you ask the owners of this board I am sure they will tell you we are welcome to post in any thread
Your right about the title, but IF you READ the post, then there is absolutely NO REASON for you to post in the thread unless it is to start an piss match.

I never said that you weren't 'allowed' to post here. I simply said there was no need for any of you to respond if you weren't sending rejection e-mails.

And you know what, having honest site owners running your recip on pages that you wouldn't list and not telling them is dishonest .

Boyfriend?

[Tommy]

I wanna make this clear I have never met Dare either and I rarely speak to him

I know him to be a honest and upstanding webmaster

so his site doesnt get a lot of traffic, thats no reason to put him down
maybe it wasnt my buisness but I just couldnt let it go.

and I knew that as soon as Adult Traffic didnt get listed on Tommys it would be a pissing match on a board

I dont think that webmasters should be blacklisted for what they say on boards and it is an abuse to do something like that .........

I do applogize to everyone that posts at GGJ for sort of starting this

[Tommy]

And you know what, having honest site owners running your recip on pages that you wouln't list and not telling them is dishonest .

its not dishonest... its just not humanly possable
a copy and paste from my admin area

555 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (2374 rejected submissions)

how the hell am i supposed to send 2374 rejection emails in a day

its just not possable, these sites move thru thousands of submits and to do that you need speed, thats just the way the buisness is today

[Lizzie]

its not dishonest... its just not humanly possable
a copy and paste from my admin area

555 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (2374 rejected submissions)

how the hell am i supposed to send 2374 rejection emails in a day

its just not possable, these sites move thru thousands of submits and to do that you need speed, thats just the way the buisness is today
Hmmm, so there is no automated way to send e-mails? You have to do it manually? Wow....

[Tommy]

daretwo jumped into my thread don't forget...

.

this was from page 3 and its said more then once

[Lizzie]

this was from page 3 and its said more then once
And, does Dare send out rejection e-mails?

[Tommy]

automated ???

well lets see you would need the reason for rejection and there could be hundreds of reasons. Then you have to deal with the replys and the resubmits

he acts like he puts a recip up and the waters should part cause he sends 1 hit a day

in one listing at Tommys he would get 5 to 10 thousand hits

so from one site he profited 5 thousand percent on the link trade
when you look at it that way does it really matter if he has recips on 5 other sites

[Lizzie]

automated ???

well lets see you would need the reason for rejection and there could be hundreds of reasons. Then you have to deal with the replys and the resubmits

he acts like he puts a recip up and the waters should part cause he sends 1 hit a day

in one listing at Tommys he would get 5 to 10 thousand hits

so from one site he profited 5 thousand percent on the link trade
when you look at it that way does it really matter if he has recips on 5 other sites
Well, I just keep hearing excuses as to why you guys don't send out rejection e-mails...I'm too busy and all that, so automated, even if it's an e-amil saying " I just don't like your site" to everyone that is rejected would be better than nothing.

And I guess the traffic doesn't matter to you, the 1000 hits a day or whatever, that because it's not being taken FROM you. If the shoe was on the other foot though......

Fair is fair.

[Tommy]

Lizzie
its obvious your gonna defend your point even though you know its wrong
and I am sure you understand your boyfriend has said some insulting stuff

you 2 started this thread in the hopes of generating more traffic.
you ended up offending dozens of link list owners

do you really feel you have accomplished anything

I would like everyone to think about what these 2 are gonna say about your LL's when they get listed and only get 50 to 100 hits

will they say its quality and thanks for the link or will they be making fun of you

[Lizzie]

Lizzie
its obvious your gonna defend your point even though you know its wrong
and I am sure you understand your boyfriend has said some insulting stuff

you 2 started this thread in the hopes of generating more traffic.
you ended up offending dozens of link list owners

do you really feel you have accomplished anything

I would like everyone to think about what these 2 are gonna say about your LL's when they get listed and only get 50 to 100 hits

will they say its quality and thanks for the link or will they be making fun of you
So what if I offended you or anyone else...big stinking deal, it's a chat board. And what makes you think your hits are any better than a small link list owners hits? Are you that superior to the rest of them?

I am not wrong, we were looking for FAIR....if you are a linklist owner that isn't fair, then I don't care if you are offended.

BTW, we are honest people. If your traffic was good we'd say so and if it was bad, well, if anyone asked, we'd tell them our expierience with it, including what we could have done to make it better. That is how honest people do things.....

[Greenguy]

No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread :)
Like I said before:
...If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send. I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.

And you have to remember that this thread was started because of this thread (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17265).

Had this thread been started without the other thread & without the implication about honesty, none of these would be going on. AST worded his post wrong & now he has to defend it.

These 2 things are the main reason this thread has gone the way it has.

[Tommy]

well I think the insult to dare is what set me off and his general attidude

people work very hard at their LL's

who wants to work 12 hrs a day at their site then have someone on a board say something like that

its not right

[MrMaryLou]

Tommy givem a week in a link admin and they wont be thinking about sending rejection emails :)

[Lizzie]

Like I said before:
No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread :)

If you just could have tried not to get your high and mighty attitudes in here we would have submitted our sites to those that send e-mails, been rejected, fixed whatever needed to be fixed and re submitted them.

It is that simple.
You guys made this thread what it is :)

[Lizzie]

well I think the insult to dare is what set me off and his general attidude

people work very hard at their LL's

who wants to work 12 hrs a day at their site then have someone on a board say something like that

its not right
We work really hard at what we do also...fair is fair.

[Greenguy]

Well, then call me an asshole for not liking the implication that I am dishonest.

[Lizzie]

Well, then call me an asshole for not liking the implication that I am dishonest.
asshole :D :D :D

[Greenguy]

...and you are an asshole for not reading the rules before & after you submitted to me :D

[Lizzie]

...and you are an asshole for not reading the rules before & after you submitted to me :D
You said to call you an asshole.

I have NEVER submitted anything to you. It is totally obvious that this is pretty much an exclusive link list club you've got going.

As far as the LL that said they run their business fair and square, we will submit to them, if they reject us, atleast we'll know.

'I' do think that rejecting and not letting the webmaster know is not an honest way to do things....whether it's 1000 hits or 10 hits going to a recip that isn't running your site.

So, with that said...Cya....

[Tommy]

have you noticed how much this guy keeps braging about the money he makes and the traffic he has he even made a reference to se traffic he was gonna send all the ll'S

I never seen anyone that has traffic brag like this guy does

I think the 2 of them are full of shit

[Lemmy]

how the hell am i supposed to send 2374 rejection emails in a dayI did the math: If you stay up 24/7 and send an e-mail every 36 seconds it shouldn't be a problem at all. :D

[Lizzie]

have you noticed how much this guy keeps braging about the money he makes and the traffic he has he even made a reference to se traffic he was gonna send all the ll'S

I never seen anyone that has traffic brag like this guy does

I think the 2 of them are full of shit
Brag? Glass houses there Big Boy :D

[swedguy]

'I' do think that rejecting and not letting the webmaster know is not an honest way to do things....whether it's 1000 hits or 10 hits going to a recip that isn't running your site.
Do what everyone else does. Check your stats. No hits, no listing.

[Cleo]

After wasting my time reading this whole thread I've come to the conclusion that AT and his GF must be in the top 10 tragically clueless posters to come to this board.

[Tommy]

I did the math: If you stay up 24/7 and send an e-mail every 36 seconds it shouldn't be a problem at all. :D

then I would be a honest webmaster :-)

[Tommy]

Brag? Glass houses there Big Boy :D

no glass houses here

[plateman]

After wasting my time reading this whole thread I've come to the conclusion that AT and his GF must be in the top 10 tragically clueless posters to come to this board.

Yes I agree and if someone sells traffic and has paid tgp spots and builds free sites like that - something doesnt add up..

And if anyone was gonna buy traffic and reads this, would they still want to do biz with them ???

[Tommy]

What? I don't get you. If you had any idea how much BW I burn you'd shit your pants :)

Here. When we had all the sites on CSW, I was the top affiliate. On my own bandwidth, not the hosted galleries. |cool|

see what I mean

ask yourself this have you ever seen greeny braging about sales or bandwith
shemp??
Myself??
Jim??
Linkster??

anyone ???

[plateman]

I can safely say I can add them to my list of people never to do biz with along with the other cheaters spamers crooks and general assholes... |viking|

[Useless]

It is totally obvious that this is pretty much an exclusive link list club you've got going.
Lizzie, I started building and submitting free sites not that long ago when I was unknown here. My very first free site was accepted all over the place, not due to cronyism, but because I read and followed the simple rules.

This is isn't a club, it's a community. Remember how we all stood together in outing SponsorChat? You were part of that. TheButcher was doing things that violated the values of this community and insulting its members. This thread has become the same thing. If you insult a member of this community, you shouldn't be surprised if its other members rally in support of their own.

And don't tell me that I don't understand and that I should re-read the thread. You should have backed off and regrouped as soon as you noticed most of us were insulted.

[MadMax]

Well, I'm gonna jump back in here for a moment. I was doing a drive by yesterday when I posted and didn't read the entire thread until just now. I had no idea this sort of train wreck was brewing, so I'll take a moment to add my 2 cents.

First off, I send decline emails because my script does it automatically. I add reasons and comments because that function is integrated into my script, and for certain types of declines I offer second chance reviews. I have time to do this because I get a few dozen submits a day as opposed to several hundred or several thousand. I'll always send out emails but if I get to the point where I'm reviewing hundreds of sites a day I'll stop giving reasons because I simply won't have time. If my script didn't automatically generate accept/decline emails I wouldn't send them out because I wouldn't have time. Frankly, as a whole I think my submitters would rather have me focusing on driving traffic than writing emails anyway.

You've managed to come in here and piss off a lot of people that I respect as colleagues. These are people who have treated me as a member of their community since day 1 when I had no listings and shit for traffic, and what's more you're doing it by trying to tell them how they should run their own sites. This makes no sense to me. These people wouldn't be successful if they didn't know what they're doing, and competition for listings wouldn't be fierce if they didn't send good traffic. What is the point of intentionally pissing on people who would be happy to do business with a more civilized person? I just don't get it.

I review sites based on the sites, and blacklist for my own reasons as everyone does. I wouldn't decline a site just because of something I read on a board (and wouldn't have time to keep up with the unbelievable spreadsheets and databases that would be required to do so), but like everyone else here a submit that breaks the rules gets declined. With me, since I can and do put reasons in decline emails, when I decline someone four times in a row for the same reason I blacklist, because if they can't be bothered to read my explanations I can't be bothered to keep giving them, simple as that.

I'd still list any site that follows the rules, but neither of you has done anything in this thread but hurt your reputations; and if you don't think reputation matters ask Jay Servido.

Well, I guess that was at least 4 cents. :)

[Tommy]

I would like to add that I did over react and I know my over reaction fueled the fire

[Cleo]

I don't think we over reacted all that much.

I've worked very hard to get where I am today and I still work very hard each day. I think of myself as a honest and ethical business woman and I'm proud of that.

Had this thread been titled Looking for LL that send out declines I would have ignored it but it was titled "Calling all honest linklist owners" so being a honest webmaster I clicked on it only to see that it implied not sending out decline e-mails meant that I am not honest and I took great offense to that as did others.

[RawAlex]

At the end of the day, suggesting that linksite owners who don't send out rejection mails are somehow dishonest really irks me.

How we each choose to run our businesses is up to us. I feel comfortable being in a fairly decent group of link and TGP owners that don't waste their time sending out rejection mails (and answering the inevitable overflow of returning "I didn't break the rules!" and "your an asshole" emails). It is about making sure we have enough time to handle everything we need to do in a day, without spending out time on unproductive activities. Yes, sending out rejection emails to about 99% of people is a waste of time. Either because people are NOT reading their emails, have no intention of changing their sites, or are cheating multisubmitters that are just looking for tips to make sure you accept their crap sites in the future. None of those people deserve my time or effort.

I clearly state in my rules: We reserve the right to refuse listings and service to anyone. This is a private website. You can be declined, refused or have your listing removed for any reason. We reserve the right to blacklist domains, email addresses, hosts, and IP addresses without notice, and without notification. If you submit multiple sites that violate the rules, you domain(s) will be blacklisted without notice. We do NOT send decline messages. If your don't like it, get a lawyer and waste your money. :-)

Again, reading the rules will solve all your problems.

Additionally, I have clear links all over to this board, where anyone who doesn't get listed is more than welcome to post up their stuff and we can chat (not PMs, please... post in public, it's better for EVERYONE).

How any of this makes me dishonest or somehow a lesser link site owner is beyond me.

Alex

[pornrex]

In spite of the fact that this thread was a big shouting match to a degree, I still did learn quite a few things nonetheless.

If your a newbie, read the rules and follow them. Plain and simple. There's really nothing more to say and no other way about it.

Also, slinging insults and shit at the good folks of ANY board will get you nowhere. Your better off going for a walk or counting to 10 or even 1000 if you have to calm yourself down. Besides, expressing yourself angrily is not the answer to any dilemma.

There are gonna be webmasters and linklist operators/reviewers out there that play favorites or show nepotism to anyone they damn well please for whatever reason. That's a fact of life. That will never change no matter what your chosen profession.

Except for one thing: The "honest and ethical" webmasters know exactly who they are how they operate and to them I 'd like to express my gratitude. Talking about being ethical and honest is one thing. Practicing it, is quite another.

|pimpin
pornrex

[Jim]

pornrex, I agree with you on everything. Even I have submitted to Greenie and not gotten listed. Nah...just kidding. I submitted a full page ad once and it was listed :) But, anyone can get listed at almost any link list...just follow the rules. There is no secret handshake or club. But, of course, once link list owners get to know a submitter, they will get listed more often and usually quicker.

I knew this thread was going to be ugly :)

[RawAlex]

Let's say I see 10 submits from someone... all 10 of them are great sites and I accept them gladly. Trust me when I say I will look at that webmaster's stuff more favorably in the future. 10 bad ones, 100% rejected, and you know how I will feel about submit #11.

I want to list sites from good people trying to make an honest (for porn) buck... not people trying their damndest to screw the system.

Alex

[Thumbler]

I want to list sites from good people trying to make an honest (for porn) buck... not people trying their damndest to screw the system.

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream. I've never been screwed (yet) by a porn sponsor, but I have by mainstream sponsors

[Cleo]

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream.
I've heard that from a lot of people who have been in mainstream.

[Joe]

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream. I've never been screwed (yet) by a porn sponsor, but I have by mainstream sponsors

Really? What mainstream business were you in?

I've been the complete opposite. As far as adult sponsors ago, I've had no problems (a few late payments, but no biggie).

But I've been scammed a few times here and there ever since I started in the adult business a couple years ago.

[Thumbler]

I've dabbled in quite a few different mainstream areas, at one time I had a big webmaster resource site and used to write a weekly newsletter for webmasters. I've also run a free stuff directory, in fact I still do but the site desperately needs updating. My main interests these days are personals and webcams, that's how I got involved in what I normally refer to as the adult entertainment industry :D

[BruceKelly]

...I knew this thread was going to be ugly :)
Yep. post 24. enticed me into reading the whole damned thread.

[RawAlex]

Thumbler, while I had only been gently screwed by a couple of sponsors (mostly those going out of business rapidly but still accepting traffic to their URLs), I can tell you that there are plenty of people out there willing to fuck you over in this business as quick as they can.

Alex

[Presmar]

If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send.


I send both accept and reject emails because I don't know how to turn the automation off...:)

[Adult Traffic]

I can safely say I can add them to my list of people never to do biz with along with the other cheaters spamers crooks and general assholes... |viking|For one, fuck you, personally, cock sucker. There has not been one motherfucker on the whole web who has ever called me a crook or a cheater who had anything to stand on other than their own fat mouth. Nothing more.

If you have it, post it. Otherwise, suck .. my .. cock.



The rest of you, I guess I don't care who's side you're on. Usually I figure that I'm the only one that's right and that's the way it'll be. There is no other option.

Remember, we got this far because I told someone to fuck off who jumped MY thread, and the rest of you FUCKING SHEEP never said a GOD DAMNED word until you realized it was someone who you had your nose up their ass.

Yep.



Now, as far as submitting free sites..

I've been doing it for less than a week, fuck, I only have 6 of them total... Maybe they suck, but your friends DO list them

Today: (NOT all freesite sales, obviously)

[none] (refer) 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.trixieteen.com/00xxxx-01-02/combo/02/index.php 0 1 sale
http://trixyteen.net/teen_sites/nude_teen_outdoors/xxx.shtml 0 1 FREESITE
[none] (refer) 0 1
http://chloe-18.net/chloe18_galleries/chloe18_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FRONT)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/teentopangaxxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://galleries.littleapril.com/00xxxx-01-05/pics/29/gallery.php 0 1
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/teen_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FREESITE)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/xxxxx.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 .. So fuck off :) I really need Tommy and Cleo and Linkster and Link-O and JJ like a hole in the head.

The sad truth is, Most of you don't have stats like that from ONE (1) 2 week old sponsor per day, much less all of your sponsors combined over a few years. MOST of you do not and never will.



Think I'll stop submitting to freesites? Nope.

List me or not. Don't and I pull your link. Simple. But I still submit WHERE THE FUCK I WANT TO, and no one on this board will ever change that, no matter what you think.

Believe me, plenty list me no matter what you all say :)





I would like to add that I did over react and I know my over reaction fueled the fire Thank you. Maybe I did too here and there.

I don't think we over reacted all that much."WE?". You have shit on your nose. Whether you see it or not doesn't mean it's pretty. Wipe it the fuck off. Damn it girl.






I noticed your boyfriend keeps saying this is his thread, and dare and me both jumped in it so we had a bashing comingYes you did have a bashing coming. Things got bad. You really do think I deserved what I got from the dog pilers and that it'll make me a more congenial person too, huh?

Oh, and 19 years and 3 kids later makes a "boyfriend-girlfriend". LOL. Get yer facts straight since you have all this collected info on me and all..

I've come to the conclusion that AT and his "GF"..You have shit on your nose. WIPE IT OFF.






I would like everyone to think about what these 2 are gonna say about your LL's when they get listed and only get 50 to 100 hits will they say its quality and thanks for the link or will they be making fun of youYou're speculating, and you're full of shit on that count, you're grasping at straws. I SAID I don't care about the traffic. I SAID if I run your link you better by gods run mine. Didn't I Tommy? I have hard link partners that send 1 hit a week for the last fucking 2 years FYI. Speculate on that.

Oh, the answer is that I'll say "thanks for the link". That is, unless YOU can say where I've fucked one of my friends. Ever.. Then post it or don't shoot off, K sport ?







and yes Im much older than you Really? Where did you come up with this special tidbit? How old am I anyhow?


I would say with your attitude none of this will change a damn thing and I'm probably setting my "expectations" way too high.Congrats. You hit the nail on the head. :)


what threw me off is after being told that a bunch of places wouldnt list you - you are still running their recips???Believe it or not I actually have a career and clients outside of editing those 6 free sites. Those links WILL come off :)


Most of us are now also running scripts that check whois info, redirections etc that are much more sophisticated than what you are used to in the TGP world - very rarely will you be able to tell when someone has reviewed your site.See, now THAT's important. Thank you. VERY advanced stuff. |thumb

http://www.link-o-rama.com/cgi-bin/linkadmin1/admin/index.cgi/Review/view
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/cgi-bin/us/linkadmin/index.cgi/Review/view

Congratulations, You have succeded in showing that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, starting with the "age" comment and a few other things, like the super-secret-advanced-script-bat-checker.. and more.






The one thing that's clear is that:

I have run on facts alone, not thrown out any bullshit or smoke..

So far, I have been told I'm a cheater,
a scammer,
that I was going to be "ruined" on the adut web,
that I'm a kid,
that my wife of almost 20 years and the mother of my kids is my "girlfriend',

...that I'm a blowhard about the traffic that I already move and the sales I ALREADY MAKE. Not counting webmaster sales ..

...that I try to force you into doing business a different way (I WASN'T, as if I give a fuck, read the first post so many of you skipped).

...that all the link list owners act like they can snowball someone into thinking you have to type each e-mail by hand, and we ALL KNOW that's utter bullshit. For FUCK SAKES PEOPLE... I own fucking scripts. Jesus Christ. That's a stupid position to take.

Even though I never ASKED you to send me special mails, you act as though that's what this thread is about.
Read it again.

...marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ? .. OHH, bad bad bad. The worst thing EVER. Oh my gods.. I ask again,
does anyone ever go there? (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://marks-links.com)

Now, ban me. I won't shut up and you can't make me. I will never see it your way, and I am the only one that's right.

Fucking brown nosing whiners.

.

[swedguy]

Ok, I don't have either one of you in my recip table. I will add you right now.
I take that back. Don't bother adding me. Thank you.

[Jel]

Wow. AST, don't bother adding my recips to any freesites you make.

[plateman]

For one, fuck you, personally, cock sucker. There has not been one motherfucker on the whole web who has ever called me a crook or a cheater who had anything to stand on other than their own fat mouth. Nothing more.

If you have it, post it. Otherwise, suck .. my .. cock.



The rest of you, I guess I don't care who's side you're on. Usually I figure that I'm the only one that's right and that's the way it'll be. There is no other option.

Remember, we got this far because I told someone to fuck off who jumped MY thread, and the rest of you FUCKING SHEEP never said a GOD DAMNED word until you realized it was someone who you had your nose up their ass.

Yep.



Now, as far as submitting free sites..

I've been doing it for less than a week, fuck, I only have 6 of them total... Maybe they suck, but your friends DO list them

Today: (NOT all freesite sales, obviously)

[none] (refer) 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.trixieteen.com/00xxxx-01-02/combo/02/index.php 0 1 sale
http://trixyteen.net/teen_sites/nude_teen_outdoors/xxx.shtml 0 1 FREESITE
[none] (refer) 0 1
http://chloe-18.net/chloe18_galleries/chloe18_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FRONT)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/teentopangaxxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://galleries.littleapril.com/00xxxx-01-05/pics/29/gallery.php 0 1
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/teen_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FREESITE)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/xxxxx.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 .. So fuck off :) I really need Tommy and Cleo and Linkster and Link-O and JJ like a hole in the head.

The sad truth is, Most of you don't have stats like that from ONE (1) 2 week old sponsor per day, much less all of your sponsors combined over a few years. MOST of you do not and never will.



Think I'll stop submitting to freesites? Nope.

List me or not. Don't and I pull your link. Simple. But I still submit WHERE THE FUCK I WANT TO, and no one on this board will ever change that, no matter what you think.

Believe me, plenty list me no matter what you all say :)





Thank you. Maybe I did too here and there.

"WE?". You have shit on your nose. Whether you see it or not doesn't mean it's pretty. Wipe it the fuck off. Damn it girl.






Yes you did have a bashing coming. Things got bad. You really do think I deserved what I got from the dog pilers and that it'll make me a more congenial person too, huh?

Oh, and 19 years and 3 kids later makes a "boyfriend-girlfriend". LOL. Get yer facts straight since you have all this collected info on me and all..

You have shit on your nose. WIPE IT OFF.






You're speculating, and you're full of shit on that count, you're grasping at straws. I SAID I don't care about the traffic. I SAID if I run your link you better by gods run mine. Didn't I Tommy? I have hard link partners that send 1 hit a week for the last fucking 2 years FYI. Speculate on that.

Oh, the answer is that I'll say "thanks for the link". That is, unless YOU can say where I've fucked one of my friends. Ever.. Then post it or don't shoot off, K sport ?







Really? Where did you come up with this special tidbit? How old am I anyhow?


Congrats. You hit the nail on the head. :)


Believe it or not I actually have a career and clients outside of editing those 6 free sites. Those links WILL come off :)


See, now THAT's important. Thank you. VERY advanced stuff. |thumb

http://www.link-o-rama.com/cgi-bin/linkadmin1/admin/index.cgi/Review/view
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/cgi-bin/us/linkadmin/index.cgi/Review/view

Congratulations, You have succeded in showing that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, starting with the "age" comment and a few other things, like the super-secret-advanced-script-bat-checker.. and more.






The one thing that's clear is that:

I have run on facts alone, not thrown out any bullshit or smoke..

So far, I have been told I'm a cheater,
a scammer,
that I was going to be "ruined" on the adut web,
that I'm a kid,
that my wife of almost 20 years and the mother of my kids is my "girlfriend',

...that I'm a blowhard about the traffic that I already move and the sales I ALREADY MAKE. Not counting webmaster sales ..

...that I try to force you into doing business a different way (I WASN'T, as if I give a fuck, read the first post so many of you skipped).

...that all the link list owners act like they can snowball someone into thinking you have to type each e-mail by hand, and we ALL KNOW that's utter bullshit. For FUCK SAKES PEOPLE... I own fucking scripts. Jesus Christ. That's a stupid position to take.

Even though I never ASKED you to send me special mails, you act as though that's what this thread is about.
Read it again.

...marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ? .. OHH, bad bad bad. The worst thing EVER. Oh my gods.. I ask again,
does anyone ever go there? (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://marks-links.com)

Now, ban me. I won't shut up and you can't make me. I will never see it your way, and I am the only one that's right.

Fucking brown nosing whiners.

.
Hey listen asshole that's what my list has on it and those other terms don't fit you proof wise so I should have left them off.. but you more than deserve the general asshole title.. and you can throw in cock sucker and dickhead also.. |viking|

[Linkster]

Really? Where did you come up with this special tidbit? How old am I anyhow?

39 - which makes you 3 years older than my son

Congrats. You hit the nail on the head. :)
Thank you




See, now THAT's important. Thank you. VERY advanced stuff.

Since you believe everything you see thats good - means the scripts are working correctly

Congratulations, You have succeded in showing that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, starting with the "age" comment
See above

and a few other things, like the super-secret-advanced-script-bat-checker.. and more.
Fortunately Im actually really glad that you dont believe things like that exist


So far, I have been told I'm a cheater,
a scammer,
that I was going to be "ruined" on the adut web,
that I'm a kid,
Wouldnt go so far to call you a cheater - just uninformed - I might suggest reading Kaths article recently at Klixxx about Link Lists and using their traffic to your benefit


...that all the link list owners act like they can snowball someone into thinking you have to type each e-mail by hand, and we ALL KNOW that's utter bullshit.

Actually I believe they said they have to make a choice in what comments to put in each email - using either a boiler-plate comment or typing in a comment to let you know what was wrong with the site - which is doing each one by hand


...marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ? .. OHH, bad bad bad. The worst thing EVER. Oh my gods.. I ask again,

Well - since you use Alexa data to prove points I would again have to say that you are uninformed

Fucking brown nosing whiners.




I believe you are confusing brown nosing with a community - which it seems you really aren't familiar with - a community tends to accept people that are willing to give and take (one of the reasons that so many people here jumped in to try to help you with understanding the link list world as you - this is not intended to be a bad thing - dont understand)
Of course - again you are definitely always entitled to your opinion and wrong or right, no one can change that - I apologize for trying to be helpful and wish you much success in the future

[Thumbler]

I knew this thread was going to be ugly :)
Yeah, but did you know it was going to get this ugly

[Wazza]

|spam|

[Wazza]

Can I have a buddy Christ yet?

[Wazza]

|viking|

[Cleo]

Wow this thread is still going… and getting uglier each day. :(

AdultASSHOLETraffic I don't think you have to worry anymore who is going to list as I doubt that anyone is going to do business with you at this point.

You have to be one of the most arrogant clueless people to have come to the board in a very long time. The only other person that comes to mind this clueless and arrogant is the one who said that they were going to sue us for not listing them.

[Adult Traffic]

AdultASSHOLETraffic

Cleo called me a name :(

Arrogant? Now that's an understatement. Clueless? Yea, I make my living being "clueless". And not by building freeesites or making sponsor sales either :)

Seriously, if you think I'm clueless then .. "get a clue" comes to mind.

You're still a brown noser and I'm not |pokefun|

[MrNick]

I am dishonest :P I dont send email of aprove or delete is you dont log in to your acount

am a bitch, and I now that .......... :P

[Cleo]

[none] (refer) 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.chloe18.com/00xxxx-01-01/combos/06/index.php 0 1 sale
http://galleries.trixieteen.com/00xxxx-01-02/combo/02/index.php 0 1 sale
http://trixyteen.net/teen_sites/nude_teen_outdoors/xxx.shtml 0 1 FREESITE
[none] (refer) 0 1
http://chloe-18.net/chloe18_galleries/chloe18_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FRONT)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/teentopangaxxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
http://galleries.littleapril.com/00xxxx-01-05/pics/29/gallery.php 0 1
http://teen-topenga.com/teen_sites/teen_xxxx/index.shtml 0 1 (FREESITE)
http://teen-topenga.com/topanga_galleries/xxxxx.shtml 0 1 (MYGAL)
Nice collection of redirecting links that you posted of your stuff. I especially loved the recip to LOR on one of the domains that you are redirecting to.

[Adult Traffic]

Nice collection of redirecting links that you posted of your stuff. I especially loved the recip to LOR on one of the domains that you are redirecting to.

In case you didn't notice, I'm not "redirecting" to anywhere genius. ..not that it's your business..

I just don't want my pages visited by anyone on this board. That's happened enough already.

And who/what is LOR and why do I care?

[Cleo]

And who/what is LOR and why do I care?
|haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha

[Adult Traffic]

Oh, you incorrectly put LOR when L-O-R would have made a lot more sense. I get it ..

But .. why do I care ?

[plateman]

I hold my ground on you.. Your just a all around asshole... |thumb

[Greenguy]

Coming soon to a Barnes & Noble near YOU!

How To Win Friends And Influence People: Why I Think Your Business Plan Stinks! ~ By Adult Traffic

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to remove my nose from Tommy's anal cavity |smooch|

[MrNick]

I just don't want my pages visited by anyone on this board.

Is that a joke??
you dont like us at all???


|cry|

[Wazza]

I love you Greenguy - when I grow up I wanna be just like you |blowjob|

[Adult Traffic]

I hold my ground on you.. Good. Since we have this mano y mano discussion going on and all. ;)

Your just a all around asshole... Really? Someone quick go call FOX News. This is a breaking story.

[Thumbler]

How about "The Official Why Didn't My Site Get Accepted To Anywhere" Thread?

[plateman]

How about "The Official Why Didn't My Site Get Accepted To Anywhere" Thread?
That's a good one LOL LOL

[Adult Traffic]

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to remove my nose from Tommy's anal cavity

I'll excuse you to go call National and ask then to turn your hosting plan up a tiny bit so we can post.
|thumb

[Cleo]

|haha
This has turned into the most amusing thread that I have read in a very long time.

I really didn't think it was possible to be this clueless and actually still be able to use a computer to be able to post.
|haha

[Adult Traffic]

I really didn't think it was possible to be this clueless and actually still be able to use a computer to be able to post.
If I'm as clueless as you think I am, then enlighten me as to how I've built a successful business on the web and manage to live where most of the people on this board couldn't afford to vacation. The sand in my back fucking yard borders Caribbean waters that most people will never see.

This is what I see out of my CLUELESS office window you fucking imbecile :)
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0063.JPG
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0084.JPG
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0075.JPG

You really are a stupid fucking bitch if you really do believe that. Honestly.

I'm clueless, but but at least I have something really nice to show for being such a stupid clueless idiot stupid scammer cheat. You're still a looser.

.

[Adult Traffic]

You guys have fun. Go look up so more material for name-calling.

I'm going to go refresh my stats, which, ironically come up when I hit reload.

Then I'm going to go buy stuff.

See you later.

|pimpin

[Cleo]

After reading your posts I'm starting to think that your occupation before coming to the web to advise us all how to run our businesses was advisor to the former defense minister of Iraq.

Nice pics, I'm going to go play tennis now…

[Useless]

This is what I see from my front porch:
http://www.maladaptedmedia.com/useless_shit/neighbor.jpg

Certainly not as awe-inspiring, but there is a natural beauty there none-the-less.

[pornrex]

All that's missing now is the yellow submarine, a chick in a yellow polka dot bikini and urine all over the snow and we're all set. :D



|pimpin
pornrex

[Thumbler]

This is what I see from my front porch:
http://www.maladaptedmedia.com/useless_shit/neighbor.jpg

Certainly not as awe-inspiring, but there is a natural beauty there none-the-less.
It definitely has a 'je ne sais quoi' about it :D

[cd34]

you have white grass? weird.

[Thumbler]

All that's missing now is the yellow submarine, a chick in a yellow polka dot bikini and urine all over the snow and we're all set. :D

It would have to be an itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka dot bikini of course

[Jim]

This is what I see from my front porch:
http://www.maladaptedmedia.com/useless_shit/neighbor.jpg

Certainly not as awe-inspiring, but there is a natural beauty there none-the-less.

I have an American Legion accross the street :)

[RawAlex]

I would take a picture of the championship 18 hole golf course just off my back yard, but, well, it's winter and under 10 feet of snow.

AdultASSHOLEtraffic, you have managed to prove one thing: Your clueless. Apparently you parents never taught you how to interact socially, and most of all, they didn't teach you how to bullshit well. If you were playing poker, you would have been blown off the table already while claiming to have the best hand.

Please, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, doors are expensive to repair.

Alex

[Tommy]

I think everyone here knows AdultTraffic put up pics from his last vacation

there seems to be a lot of garbage cans in his back yard

it shows how pathetic he really is

again bragging about sales and money

in this buisness its really hard to check references or background

you have to devlop a feel for people. In my 8 years of doing this I have found that
a lot of Adult webmasters are full of shit

and AdultTraffic proves my point

also remeber all those sales came from sites that arent listed anywhere
that are new and havent been around long enough to get any SE traffic

I hope everyone remembers this and reminds their friends about adult-site-traffic.com

[Cleo]

I like the rules sign in "his backyard."
Lifeguard not on duty and no pissing in the pool
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0084.JPG

[Tommy]

If I'm as clueless as you think I am, then enlighten me as to how I've built a successful business on the web and manage to live where most of the people on this board couldn't afford to vacation. The sand in my back fucking yard borders Caribbean waters that most people will never see.

This is what I see out of my CLUELESS office window you fucking imbecile :)
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0063.JPG
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0084.JPG
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0075.JPG

.

ADULT-SITE-TRAFFIC.COM
Registrant:
Perl Mountain Enterprises
207 - 1425 Marine Drive
West Vancouver, BC V7T 1B9
CA

I dont know much about Canada but I dont think theres any Caribbean waters up there

[swedguy]

I like the rules sign in "his backyard."
Lifeguard not on duty and no pissing in the pool
http://adult-site-traffic.com/can-cun/DSCF0084.JPG
It's a nice view from the studio :)

http://www.adult-site-traffic.com/studio/

[Cleo]

http://www.adult-site-traffic.com/studio/2.jpg
Really he should have stayed at the Holiday Inn and been smarter the next day.

[Tommy]

that looks like a timeshare
the timeshare hotels have kitchens

we rented one in mexico that had a kitchen

[swedguy]

Btw. how did it go with the rental in Paris?

http://www.adult-site-traffic.com/paris/

[BruceKelly]

Cleo called me a name :(

Arrogant? Now that's an understatement. Clueless? Yea, I make my living being "clueless". And not by building freeesites or making sponsor sales either :)

Seriously, if you think I'm clueless then .. "get a clue" comes to mind.

You're still a brown noser and I'm not

Derrick Zoolander?... Drunk?

[Linkster]

Tommy - that Ca addy is a mailbox rental place:
http://www.accutype.net/mailbox_rentals.htm

Its part of the overall paranoia I guess:
http://www.webmastersafari.com/showthread.php?p=5694#post5694

Although that addy does keep changing dependent on the year :)

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:kOnlox5LwJMJ:board.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D%26threadid%3D261117+%22Perl+Mountain+Enterprises%22&hl=en

[Greenguy]

You guys & gals are just a bunch of pests :D

[nibbler]

Can't we all just site around a campfire and smoke a joint? |pimpin

We killing alot of etrees here!

Just trying to lighten things up a wee bit. :D

[nibbler]

Damn I'm already high...I can't even spell the word sit.

[swedguy]

We killing alot of etrees here!
I got a package earlier this week from someone. On it was this:

" Save a tree, start a thread "

:D

[nibbler]

I got a package earlier this week from someone. On it was this:

" Save a tree, start a thread "

:D

LOL :D

[BruceKelly]

Can't we all just site around a campfire and smoke a joint? |pimpin

We killing alot of etrees here!

Just trying to lighten things up a wee bit. :D

kumbaya

[JohnnyRS]

I'm not touching this thread with a 10 foot pole. I'm using a 5 foot pole to type this. Thank you very much. |jackinthe

[natalie]

One word: Ken

[Jim]

I'll excuse you to go call National and ask then to turn your hosting plan up a tiny bit so we can post.
|thumb

I just noticed, even I got insulted in this thread. I think we have plenty of hardware and plenty of bandwidth to handle just about anything.

[selena]

~leans in thread and sniffs~

Wazza, are you BBQ'ing?

~sniffs again~

No, my mistake. It's not beef steaks grilling that I smell. It's burning bridges.

;)

[Greenguy]

I do believe I missed that insult, so now I have been bitch-slapped twice! I feel so dirty! :)

BTW - Useless Warrior's window view post was by far the best reply to a post that I have ever seen! BRAVO MY GOOD MAN! BRA-FUCKING-VO!!!!!

[Wazza]

~leans in thread and sniffs~

Wazza, are you BBQ'ing?

~sniffs again~

No, my mistake. It's not beef steaks grilling that I smell. It's burning bridges.

;)

Easy tiger |viking| (where's the winking viking smilie?)

[pornrex]

I'm a little bit disappointed in the resolve all of you did not show, except for maybe Linkster. :(

You let some idiot-savant with time to kill and an adrenalized vocabulary hop on his slimy soap box and manipulate your emotions and get the better of you all.

My suggestion is this: the next time a joker like this comes in here and decides to act like hot shit, just ignore him. |clown|'s like this only make you waste your time and mine. And believe me, I could have watched paint dry and got more out it.

We have a great community here - lets not let fuck-faced nutzoids like A-S-T continue to waste our time while he's riding a heroin laced acid induced trip.


|pimpin
pornrex

[Mishi]

One word: Ken

Please don't use that word. |cry|

[RawAlex]

ken... one of the few three letter four letter words.

Alex