If You promote SIC CASH on your LL You Better Watch

[plateman]

I can not believe this BULL SHIT - Ok I got moved to rev -share and got mad and pulled the links and greg closed my account and said "any monies owed would be paid" So I waited and waited and no check, So then a time later I Was gonna delete there link and just for the hell of it I tryed to login and it worked some And it was really closed because I tryed before and got a message so then I ICQ greg and he says "I must have forgot to close it" So I say just leave it open because they owe me 55.00 So then days later I ICQ him to ask what happened To my 55.00 check and while on ICQ HE says "I agree there is a sale missing" He says email your info and we will get it straightened out" So No reply and I just ICQ him and he said "We closed your account for fraud"

Here Is the ICQ from just a while ago And anyone that runs a porn program should know LL run link bot checkers read it and I even gave him some server stats..


any word I never heard anything back
plateman (04:59 PM) :
on that missing sale 17679
Greg - SICcash (05:01 PM) :
sorry dude... I closed your account... for fraud...
plateman (05:01 PM) :
what ??
plateman (05:02 PM) :
because I had sales and no sales now with the same # of hits
Greg - SICcash (05:03 PM) :
where do you say your traffic comes from again?
plateman (05:03 PM) :
LL traffic and SE
Greg - SICcash (05:03 PM) :
interesting... and you are purchasing this traffic per hit?
plateman (05:04 PM) :
no
plateman (05:04 PM) :
I run a link checker that might be why
Greg - SICcash (05:04 PM) :
and what is the name of that link checker?
plateman (05:05 PM) :
xenu
Greg - SICcash (05:06 PM) :
could you send me the seach engine link and Link list links?
plateman (05:07 PM) :
all your sites were on my LL http://www.pornoplentyxxxlinks.com/ that gets se traffic
Greg - SICcash (05:07 PM) :
ok... which SE?
Greg - SICcash (05:08 PM) :
what key words would I use to pull up this site?
plateman (05:08 PM) :
yahoo and google
plateman (05:08 PM) :
come on man
Greg - SICcash (05:08 PM) :
what key words?
plateman (05:08 PM) :
wait a sec
plateman (05:12 PM) :

plateman (05:26 PM) :

plateman (05:12 PM) :
23.24% - (Direct Request) 1.34%

plateman (05:12 PM) :
23.24% - (Direct Request) 1.34% <http://www.secretcorner.com/main.php> 0.95% <http://www.google.com/search> 4 233 0.32% <http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/movies.htm> 5 225 0.31% <http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/celebs.htm> 6 198 0.27% <http://www.nastylovingslut.com/teen_porns/> 7 194 0.26% <http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/midgets.htm> 8 147 0.20% <http://www.google.de/search> 9 116 0.16% <http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/drunk.htm> 10

plateman (05:13 PM) :
I cant believe this shit
plateman (05:13 PM) :
1 24 2.58% vampire porn gallery 2 14 1.50% xxx porn 3 10 1.07% large women porn 4 10 1.07% xxx 5 9 0.97% petite hotties 6 8 0.86% free gothic porn 7 6 0.64% jays xxx movie links 8 6 0.64% large hardcore women 9 6 0.64% naughty secretaries 10 6 0.64% shocking parties bachelorette 11 5 0.54% adult ezines 12 5 0.54% naughty office

plateman (05:15 PM) :
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=XXX+porn+links&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8
plateman (05:16 PM) :
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=xxx+reality+porn+links&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt
plateman (05:17 PM) :
you need more and you better check whois
plateman (05:17 PM) :
to see if that is my site
Greg - SICcash (05:17 PM) :
all of yoru hits the month of november came from one source
Greg - SICcash (05:17 PM) :
if you'd like i'll post them to you
plateman (05:18 PM) :
shoot
Greg - SICcash (05:18 PM) :
small sample
13403","2004-11-16 01:20:26","20041116011232","17679",,"Xenu Link Sleuth 1.2e","69.81.135.248","3","A","6","0","0",,"0","0","0"
"17455","2004-11-16 01:45:07","20041116013712","17679",,"Xenu Link Sleuth 1.2e","69.81.135.248","4","A","7","0","0",,"0","0","0"
"15398","2004-11-16 01:25:03","20041116012503","17679",,"Xenu Link Sleuth
plateman (05:28 PM) :

Greg - SICcash (05:19 PM) :
which appears to be a hit bot no?
plateman (05:19 PM) :
thats what I use and never had a sponsor give me problems and I Pulled the links
Greg - SICcash (05:19 PM) :
most sponsors probably don't check that..
Greg - SICcash (05:20 PM) :
I would have never looked until I saw january's traffic
6 raw 6 unique
etc down the page...

plateman (05:20 PM) :
well was I on a pay per click program and what does that have todo with me
Greg - SICcash (05:20 PM) :
the traffic is bogus
plateman (05:21 PM) :
because your links are not there
plateman (05:21 PM) :
just a few banners
plateman (05:21 PM) :
and I havent ran my checker in awhile
Greg - SICcash (05:22 PM) :
that was from November
Greg - SICcash (05:22 PM) :
December and Janurary
Greg - SICcash (05:22 PM) :
I ran all three months
Greg - SICcash (05:22 PM) :
exact same
plateman (05:23 PM) :
thats when I lost most of my yahoo traffic

And this is when he quit talking to me and IMHO he fucked me out of 55.00 after I proved that it was a link checker

[plateman]

I still cant believe it they owe me 55.00 and come up with this shit and I cant see there side of the story BUT LINK BOTS CANT PAY FOR PORN and he should know that a LL uses a link bot to check there links..

Now I am fraud and they wont pay me BUT I cant still login to my account..

here is my jan. stats


3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Amateur Beaver 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Anal Sex Virgin 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ass Pounding Hunks 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ass Then Mouth 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Average Ladies 11 10 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Balloon Erotica 8 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Beach Smut 4 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Dicks and Small Chicks 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Fucking Orgy 14 14 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Nipple Lovers 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Time Facials 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Tit Bimbos 1 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Big Titts 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Broadband XXX Movies 6 6 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Butts Club 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Car Erotica 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Cheerleader Chicks 1 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Cock Stuffed Teens 7 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Cruise Patrol 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Cum Slurping Whores 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Cumshot Frenzy 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Deep Oral Girls 1 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Deep Oral Guys 1 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Deputy Dick 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Dudes N Dildos 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Easy Schoolgirls 4 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ebony Amateurs 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Elite Porn Stars 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Erotic Smoking 7 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Erotiq 4 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ever Fuck a Black Cock 6 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Facial For A Buck 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Fem Dom Kinks 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
First Gay Porno 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
First Orgasm on Film 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
First Time DP 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
First Time Fellas 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Food Fetishes 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Freaky Fetish Sex 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Fucked In the Asshole 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Furry Pussies 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Gay Broadband Flicks 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Hardcore Asia Sex 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Horny Blonde Girls 7 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Hot Ebony Babes 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Hot Glamour Girls 10 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Hot Latina Girls 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Interracial Action 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Kinky Brunettes 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Kinky Piercings 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Kinky Spankings 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Kinky Teen Videos 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ladies In Uniform 5 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Ladies Only Porn 9 5 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Lesbian Kinks 4 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Lingerie Hotties 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Live Voyeur 3 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Man Jizz 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Messy Cum Shots 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Moms Get Fucked 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Moms I Would Like to Fuck 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
My Naughty Nanny 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Nature Nudity 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Nice Teen Pussy 4 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Now Hiring Sluts 9 9 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Old Sexy Sluts 4 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Oral Hardcore 4 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Outdoor Flasher 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Panty Hose Nudes 7 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Pervert Nurses 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Pool Sluts 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Porn Star Cinema 6 6 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Preggy Sex 5 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Red Head Orgy 9 5 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Secretary Porn 4 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sergeant Sodomy 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sex Starved Wives 4 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sex Toy Slut 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sexy Black Asses 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sexy Gang Bangs 6 6 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sexy Legs and Feet 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sexy Lesbian Videos 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
She Loves Big Cock 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Silky Smooth Pussy 5 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sinful Feet 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Small Titty Girls 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Smut Auditions 4 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Soaked Chicks 1 1 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Sorority Hookers 4 4 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Studly Males 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Tattooed Nymphos 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Teen Goddess 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Thick Juicy Cocks 3 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Tiny Petite Babes 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Tittie Club 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Transexual Smut 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Trophy Wives 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Upskirt Smut 5 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Wet Cream Pies 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
Who Wants to Fuck a Billionaire 3 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
X Lesbians 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
X Rated India 5 3 0 0 0:0 $0.00
X Rated Midgets 2 2 0 0 0:0 $0.00
X Rated Midgets $1.00 Trial 10 5 0 0 0:0 $0.00
XXX Lesbian Whores


I ddint know Xenu Link Sleuth could make 2nd page hits and I never ran it this month..

What would you think

[tiny]

Seems like theres always some bullshit about that sponsor and its always money.And lets face it it aint the 55.00 its the principle
Hey I want one of those bots that can pay for porn.

[plateman]

Well I tryed to explain it again and here's what he said


plateman (06:37 PM) :
I just checked my stats in jan and there is 2nd page hits and Xenu does not do them and I cant believe you are pulling this shit go back to aug and oct - you guys owe me and its only right to pay
Greg - SICcash (06:38 PM) :
the traffic is bogus.. period
Greg - SICcash (06:38 PM) :
í'm having paycom block all links coming to us as well..
plateman (06:39 PM) :
no shit how do you want me to check the 1000s of free sites I have listed on my LL
Greg - SICcash (06:40 PM) :
look... we are done.. we are not paying for the bogus traffic and joins sent
plateman (06:40 PM) :
you dont know what you are talking about all LL use a link checker

Greg - SICcash (06:40 PM) :
look... we are done.. we are not paying for the bogus traffic and joins sent
plateman (06:40 PM) :
you dont know what you are talking about all LL use a link checker
Greg - SICcash (06:42 PM) :
i'm trying to be as nice as I can about this... the traffic is bogus.. and we are not paying for it.. you already got $200+ for fake traffic..
plateman (06:44 PM) :
hey dude ask around it was not fake traffic I RUN THE BOT IT SHOWS A HIT

NEW RULE ON MY LL - no sites promoting SIC CASH will be listed and you will be known to deal with CROOKS AND CHEATS

[gregtx]

ANY SPONSOR WHO WOULD LIKE MORE INFO PLEASE CONTACT ME... there is more info that we used to bust this guy...

i've got it all in logs...

thanks :)

[gregtx]

Originally posted by tiny
Seems like theres always some bullshit about that sponsor and its always money.And lets face it it aint the 55.00 its the principle
Hey I want one of those bots that can pay for porn.


you are correct its not about the $55 its about a webmaster sending fraud traffic and fake joins... to get paid... take away his hit bot traffic.. and he would light up on anyones fraud check...

[plateman]

THATS A FUCKING JOKE AND YOU ARE MAKING YOU AND YOUR PROGRAM LOOK LIKE A JOKE..

I am well known on this board and to say I am a fraud and a cheat is BS..

[Jim]

greg
Drop me an email at jim@greenguysboard.com

[tiny]

wow a bot that has a credit card sweet I want one.Damn I'd like to see one of those babies hahaha.
Sounds like alot of bullshit to me

[Greenguy]

I soke to Platemen briefly about this on ICQ - I can sorta see the "bot" thing - but why would you send a bot to a PPS program?

Click thru? Sure :D

And like it's been said before, bots don't sign up with CC's :)

[Boogie]

OH NO IT LOOKS LIKE SKYNET IS ONLINE

|couch|

Linkbots with credit cards, crazy man crazy.

[amadman]

That is weird that they would consider xenu a hitbot.

Funny thing is that they once sent me a final check and was canceled my account too. But after talking to them they reopened my account.

Since I have used xenu for a link-checker also I wonder if that is what set off a flag with me too?

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Boogie
OH NO IT LOOKS LIKE SKYNET IS ONLINE That's actually very fucking funny :D

[plateman]

When I signed up With SIC CASH I put my LL down as the main url and wouldnt you think that most sponsors know that most LL check there links for redirects and dead links with a link bot, and when I ran it and spent hours checking the possible bad links and when I was done I'd check stats and out of about 50 sponsors only a few showed hits to all sites listed - so if a sponsor had 100 sites it would show 100 hits and sometimes I would run it a day or two later and more hits would show so thats how it happens and greg dont have a clue..

[Jim]

I wasn't going to comment but, I just saw the stats. If I were running the program, I would have done the same thing. Plateman, the best advice I can give you is move on to another sponsor. The problem was not xenu.

[Greenguy]

The stats posted above?

(Ohhhh - the radio show is gonna be good - LOL)

[gregtx]

Originally posted by Jim
I wasn't going to comment but, I just saw the stats. If I were running the program, I would have done the same thing. Plateman, the best advice I can give you is move on to another sponsor. The problem was not xenu.


THanks JIm

I did not want to post that info on the board... but I am glad you can see why I did what I did...

peace
greg

[Cleo]

Now you have my curiosity.

[plateman]

And greg I havent said anything bad about you and your program.. Till now that you are fucking me out of 55.00 and making you and your program look very very badly So send me my check.. thats all I want.. My surfer got out his credit card and signed up to your site.. And I want paid - period

[plateman]

JIM pm me the info because I am not doing anything wrong how can we control what goes on the internet..

[plateman]

Hey guys you can post whatever you got because I have done nothing wrong..

[Porn Meister]

So no problem using Xenu link sleuth hitting sponsor links if a person forgets to set it to ignore them? Good. I've used that before to help people weed out dead and redirecting free sites from their pages and I'd hate to think I was putting them in jeopardy!

[Greenguy]

It's not the bot.

plateman - like Jim said, write it off & move on.

[plateman]

I'd like to know what happened..

[Greenguy]

Send Jim a PM & he'll explain.

[KCat]

I hope you get everything worked out. SIC Cash is one of the most reliable sponsors I've used. I don't send a lot of traffic...just free sites & some AVS, but I get weekly checks like clockwork.

[stev0]

Originally posted by gregtx
you are correct its not about the $55 its about a webmaster sending fraud traffic and fake joins... to get paid... take away his hit bot traffic.. and he would light up on anyones fraud check...

Was he using a pay per click program with SIC? If not I can't see how hitbot traffic would signup with a credit card....

[mpahlca]

SIC is an ok program however I know a few people who have had horrible times working with them and a few who had no problems, they weren't a good converting sponsor for me so I moved on I would suggest the same to anyone who uses a sponsor that doesn't convert for them!

[plateman]

greg dont understand what kind of traffic a semi mature LL that has highly targered se traffic and loyal bookmarkers can do, over the summer ask ramster I told him in the summer I cant believe the ratios I am seeing, I think I had a least 20 or 25 sales from 2500 to 3000 uniques from yahoo just ask him I was bragging over it and when yahoo danced a month later it stopped cold..

OC cash on my LL jan 6th of this month had the first 2 uniques sign up for sites and it was two different sites so you cant say it was a double billing does XXX jay call me a fraud.. No because he knows..

The first few days of the month I ckecked my search string stats and had 4 uniques type in "hentai sites 4.95 trial" and 3 of those people joined sites and does those sponsors call me a fraud and next month more than likely there wont be any sales..

Outback cash I built 10 - 15 free sites and really did a nice job for building se friendly sites and It converts really low and retains and I get money every month and havent built anything for months and months for them does murry call me a fraud because this month no sales yet..

a sponsor I tryed converts with tgp and LL traffic with no se traffic I sent 2255 total hits and 10 total full sales no trials at 1/282 unreal do they call me a fraud..


You see SIC thinks I am assuming that I had 4 sales in 1 month with a low # of uniques and none the next with more uniques and then seees my link bot and thinks I am cheating but really they are cheating me..

adult lounge talked to me about stats about a missing sale and ratios came up and he couldn't believe some of my ratios and he checked there procressor and came back and said I would make more with rev - share and he sent me a nice t-shirt and DVD for the stats problem that they had a problem with that was fixed and didnt want to loose my traffic now this month no sales with them and do they call me a fraud - FUCK NO SIC CASH IS THE FRAUD AND THE WAY THEY DO THERE SHIT

And a few very big well know webmasters on this board ICQ me TO AGREE WITH ME and THEY CUT THEM FOR BULL SHIT ALSO..

And this will be the last time I post about this
>>>>THE THREAD SPEAKS FOR IT SELF<<<<

And I even bragged to ramster how well SIC CASH was converting when I first joined and got all that golden traffic from yahoo and told him you gotta put some links up.. and look how they do me..

[babymaker]

funny thing is people saying a bot cant sign up, i am not talking about this case, but some of these shiffty trojan using cheating webmasters could easily drop bots or trojans on a surfers harddrive get a big database of cc info and run bots all over signing up you wait it will happen i am sure :( i bet one of the shiffty script bastards could do it in 20 minutes. the internet is a scary place these days |skull| shit i had got a pre-paid credit card for my online transactions it was not connected to credit or any account had to upload the cash at a store everytime i owed money, and i still got a forced charge for 80 bucks and a 25 overdraft that credit card is in the trash now :)

[RawAlex]

While I am pretty sure of what is on here, and I know it has little to do with link check bots, let me just say this:

if you link check bot is checking sponsor links, STOP! This is especially true if you run it daily.

First off, some sponsor links will redirect or otherwise manhandle requests that don't have good browser info. Man sponsors also use a variation on 302 redirects on affiliate codes for various reasons. As a result, you might see a bad link that isn't a bad link, or vis-versa: A bad think that shows good.

Check your sponsor sites once a month by hand. Just go to your own list and click the links one at a time.

:-)

Alex

[plateman]

I think I know what happened I have a link trade with a link site called secret corner and I am on there main page and it is noted that they send there free sites hit bot traffic so maybe that created those side by side stats but not all and when I run mine.. that set off his alarm and the fact that hardly anyone stayed past a month..

But the truth is that when SIC cash put me on rev- share on dec. 6 of 2004 I had a rebill in late december and if I frauded sign ups why would I rebill it.. and also when I was first told I was going rev-share or be dropped I talked to greg over ICQ and I bitched and moaned why my traffic was not retaining and asked him to have a pass inside the site that had the most sales from me and I spent a good 2 hours in it and half the stuff didnt work or the quality was so bad I couldnt believe it.. but the main stuff was ok So the next day I tell him this and he says some bs about this and that.. And gets mad and closes my account so I pull all text links and leave a few banners and even told greenguy sic cash closed my account and I am pulling links and told ramster..

So after dec. 6 of 2004 I had no links on my site but a few banners and my script shows a review date when I pulled the links of dec 3 of 2004 because I pulled them before the 6th and this proof is all in my LL script and on IQC history..

So how can he judge traffic after dec. 6 2004 when I had no links and where the hits came from I have no idea and will let mrmarylou into my admin to see when I pulled all the links if need be..

and another fishy thing after he closed my account I could not log into it after he closed it..and a month later I can and then I am fraud in jan. 2005 and had no links on my site and a rebill in dec 04

This sounds mighty fishy to me and I think its his way of not paying monies owed.. and when I asked him why I could get into my account now - he says I must have forgot to close it..but it was closed and monies owed were coming.. going by what he said..

So greg the ball is in your court (as you say) you owed me for two sales before december 6 of 04 and I want my 55.00 you are trying to cheat me and I have caught you and when the proper people read this and I let mrmarylou into my admin and he sees your links were gone dec. 3 of 04 where did those hits come from and to look like a hit bot made them.. So....

and I had a total of 5 banners on my site after dec. 3 of 04 and how all those hits came in jan. of 05 is anyones guess.. maybe bookmarkers BUT the fact dont change YOUR program owes me 55.00 and I will be expecting it in the mail..

[stev0]

At least it's only $55... You must have been getting chargebacks or something, it happens and it doesnt always mean the webmaster is fraudulent.

FreeAgeCard gave me the boot a while back because the retention rates in the free memberships I was sending were declining for some reason unknown to me. Was it my fault? No.... if anything it was their problem because their paysite couldn't retain members.

But can I blame them for making that move? Of course not, if my company was loosing money I would have done the same thing.

[plateman]

One last thing to put the icing on the cake.. greg said that in jan. 05 all the traffic came from one place - how could this be when I had no links on my site.. another mighty fishy thing... maybe a porn surfer booked maked all those sites and made fishy looking hits to set off your alarm and cause me all this time and grief and 55.00 and it not the money its whats right.. and I was not treated right.. and you made me feel like a smuck on icq and like I had a fake LL with no traffic and a thief to your program and I spent a whole year building my LL that has 6k in links and tell me my traffic is junk and bogus because my surfers didnt retain and someones stats are fucked..

And listen to me When you asked what search terms would pull up my site and what engines - I should have told you to KISS MY FUCKEN ASS... I made your program look as bad as you made me look and I tryed to straighten this out off the boards But you are the kind of person who cant be told any different..

I want you to apologize to me and my check because right now you look like the bad guy infront of 3000 + webmasters that are members on this board..

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by RawAlex
if you link check bot is checking sponsor links, STOP! This is especially true if you run it daily. Oddly enough, my bot still hits all of them each day - but I've never seen my bot cause a "hit" in my stats, so I have no idea why mine causes no problems.

[Greenguy]

Shit - I gotta jump in & really don't want to.

I know what Jim knows which is what Greg sent him. It has very little to do with the bot. If I, as a program owner, saw the stats & didn't know who Plateman was, I probably would've kicked him out as well. I might have paid him the money that was owed & I might have suggested that he move to revshare insterad of PPS, but his account would have to be changed/adjusted.

Now, knowing Plateman as I do, I'd probably call him up & ask him a few questions about what I saw in the stats let him know what's what & go from there.

<the following applies to everyone>
Everyone has to remember that there are a lot of cheats & scammers out there & with a sponsor paying $25-$35 per sign up, if they see something fishy in the stats (bots, conversions that are too good, very low % of trails to recurring, etc) they have to step in & do something about it.

I've had sponsors change me form PPS to Revshare because they said my conversions from trial to recurring member sucked.

I've had sponsors change me to the "confirmed member" thing on the free trials because very few people were recurring.

I've had a few sponsors tell me to stop using the free trial links or decide to pay me less per sign up because my trials were not converting.

You move on.

Yank the links if you don't agree & go find another sponsor - there's 500 programs out there - you're traffic will not do well with all of them & even if it does, that does not mean the sponsor can justify paying you a flat fee based on what your traffic does after they sign up.

|buddy| Be With You

[plateman]

No matter what anyone says.. here is a email I got


marc ***** - This account was examined again this week during payout review by our account management team. This account is still very unprofitable for SICCash. We believe that the traffic comes from good sources, and SICCash appreciates the continued business with us. But at this time, membership retention on this account is still far below our company average. Rather than close the account, SICCash would like to offer a revshare/partnership deal of 50% on all signups and rebills on all joins sent from this webmaster account. This change would take effect with the next payout period that starts on Monday December 6, 2004. A copy of this email notice is being mailed to you. Please note, I do not have the authority to change payout terms back to a per-signup basis. If you have any questions or want to discuss this further, please contact your account representative Greg at greg@shawinternet.com.

Helen, Accounting

greg told me On ICQ that he is closeing my account and all monies would be paid on dec.3 04 and I pulled links right after that, then in reopens and now they JUST dont want to pay - all sales happened before dec. 6 04 and if there was anything fishy why did they offer rev - share.. I smell a RAT..

And also last night my account still let me login and I checked dec. 04 monthly stats and it showed a rebill remind everybody that after dec. 3 04 I had no links on my site and to have him say that all hits in jan. 05 came from the same place and I never ran my bot this month.. all this shows is that he and his program is a LIE AND HE IS A CHEAT..

[plateman]

Well since I dont give a fuck anymore I will tell you why they think I frauded them..

my ratios were to good and the sales were to close together..

Ok they knew that before dec. 6 04 read the email..

I told ramster that I couldnt believe how good my sales were with pure yahoo targeted traffic almost all my cat pages showed for terms in the serps - So am I the CHEAT - I think NOT

So greg looks at jan 05 traffic and says if you take the hit bot traffic away it will set off alarms..

Note again that dec 03 04 I pulled all links and no shit if you took all supposed hit bot traffic away something would look fishy - because I had Only 4 banners left and there is almost a 100 links were gone..

And not only did I convert SIC CASH very well but all my other sponsors as well and this one is the only one pulling this shit..

greg says not all sponsors check for this I think thats BS

and when I run my link bot only a few sponsors show a hit as a result of the link checker..

So then I loose my good yahoo traffic and sales stop dead and havent had a sale since they sent me the email that I am being offered rev- share and still remember I pulled all text links dec. 03 04

And I have almost 50 sponsors that pay webmaster millions of dollars and why didnt they come to me and say I am a cheat and a fraud - you dont think they check there shit and most all my links are pps and the ones that are rev - share rebill like most..

All This BS and time wasted is not over 55.00 it is over what is right and that SIC CASH dont want to pay..

[deleuze]

SICCash again, what a surprise. The program is bad news. I think they spend all their time sitting around reviewing accounts looking for anything that could possibly be interpreted as cheating. If you send traffic to SICCash you're just begging for trouble in the future.

[swedguy]

My 2 cent!

When I signed up with SIC back in 2000, my account also got frozen. I called them up and they told me the reason, my ratios were WAY WAY below average and something looked suspicous. I gave them the keywords/phrases where the SE traffic came from. They verified it, matched it up with the URL where the signups came from and couple of hours later everything was back to normal.

SIC's good in my book :)

[FTS]

is that executive stats in action? ;)

i think they should have paid the guy his 55 bucks, less troubles and hassles for them.. but whatever, none of my business :)

[gregtx]

Look....

I really don't have time for this.. and I"m sorry if this sounds like im an asshole...

but here is a quick condensed version of Platemans traffic..

he uses a hit bot to mask his non existing traffic.. his 10 joins since oct.. would all be 1:1 conversions minus his hit bot traffic.. since his hit bot made his joins appear 1:40-75 per join.. overall.. they were never flagged...

upon further review... he was using ip spoofing to send any other traffic...

agian.. I did not think I needed to post any of this.. but he is continuing to harrass me on icq.. and call me out..

I do not believe any webmaster converts 1:1 over 10 joins in two months.. as soon as I moved him to revshare.. all joins ceased and he wanted to cash out.. thus I went into furhter review of his account...

again.. any other questions feel free to email me..

thanks

[priest]

None of my business but my 2 cents anyway. This thread fucking sucks.

There are no winners here. Bad publicity for Plateman and bad publicity for SIC.

Even if Plateman did nothing wrong there are shades of doubt now about something fishy.

SIC should have paid the man his $55 and move on. Even if they lose 2 or 3 webmasters due to this thread it is a bad business decision.

None of my business - just my 2 cents |goodnight

[gregtx]

Originally posted by priest
None of my business but my 2 cents anyway. This thread fucking sucks.

There are no winners here. Bad publicity for Plateman and bad publicity for SIC.

Even if Plateman did nothing wrong there are shades of doubt now about something fishy.

SIC should have paid the man his $55 and move on. Even if they lose 2 or 3 webmasters due to this thread it is a bad business decision.

None of my business - just my 2 cents |goodnight

bad publicity good publicity... is there such a thing? the only webmaster we would loose would be any who are working the system... we've paid out $10s of millions of dollars weekly over the years.. .and we still send checks like clockwork every week... we closed more accounts today during our fraud review... its kinda like catching internet shoplifters ;)

[plateman]

YOU are a BIG FUCKING JOKE I dont even KNOW HOW to do any of that stuff..

JUST ADMIT IT you fucked up your figures and now you are saying anything To make YOUR SORRY ASS LOOK AND SMELL BETTER..

People that know me no, that I dont know how to do any of those things and you are just making yourself look like a BIGGER ASSHOLE THAN YOU ARE..

[FTS]

Originally posted by plateman
YOU are a BIG FUCKING JOKE I dont even KNOW HOW to do any of that stuff..

JUST ADMIT IT you fucked up your figures and now you are saying anything To make YOUR SORRY ASS LOOK AND SMELL BETTER..

People that know me no, that I dont know how to do any of those things and you are just making yourself look like a BIGGER ASSHOLE THAN YOU ARE..

chill out and move on man, there are other sponsors out there.. i wouldnt be happy if i got canned also, but you have to look at it from their perspective also..

[deleuze]

Originally posted by FTS
chill out and move on man, there are other sponsors out there.. i wouldnt be happy if i got canned also, but you have to look at it from their perspective also..

And what's their perspective? We need to make some money to fund our new executive stats system so let's go on a witch hunt? Face it, they're lying scumbags who can only stay in business by canning webmasters who don't provide them x amount of profit. The fact that they have to make up lies and accuse innocent people of fraud to do this is pathetic. I'm sure plateman only sent 10 real hits since October and of course no one was on to him because of all the hitbot traffic he was also sending. Total bullshit.

[plateman]

greg now serious I pulled your links on dec. 3 of 04 and no shit the joins have stopped and I have proof of that in my admin..

and also soon after your program was converting good I lost most of the golden yahoo traffic..

you agreed to pay me all monies owed on dec 3 of 04 because I didnt want rev-share because of a thread before with another webmaster on this board and they said your sites dont retain and they wanted out of your program..

And where you come up with this hot bot and ip spoofing is crazy

and you say all my traffic is fake look at some of my trades and tell those people they are sending me fake traffic..

and also the fact still stands you owe me money for sales and I dont care what it converted at and also I have in icq history saying that you will close my accont on dec. 3 of 04 and pay all monies owed - and your word is no good..

and then you say I harresed you on ICQ I asked nicely 1 time to review your history

you are the bad guy here not me..

[plateman]

and further more anyone that still is promoting sic cash after this nonsence is just asking to be ripped off..

[plateman]

thank you deleuze for agreeing with such nonsence..

[FTS]

Originally posted by deleuze
And what's their perspective? We need to make some money to fund our new executive stats system so let's go on a witch hunt? Face it, they're lying scumbags who can only stay in business by canning webmasters who don't provide them x amount of profit. The fact that they have to make up lies and accuse innocent people of fraud to do this is pathetic. I'm sure plateman only sent 10 real hits since October and of course no one was on to him because of all the hitbot traffic he was also sending. Total bullshit.

i agree it sucks, but if they are losing money on something if i were them, i'd close the account also (after paying the money owed), plateman doesnt strike me as the scamming type either..

[deleuze]

Originally posted by FTS
i agree it sucks, but if they are losing money on something if i were them, i'd close the account also (after paying the money owed),

Eventually you wouldn't have any webmasters left because every webmaster goes through a period where the joins they send aren't going to yield the sponsor a profit. Just about all PPS programs look at the overall numbers over the long run to determine the program's profitibilty. One webmaster might only return 80% but another will return 150%. Once you start canning anyone under 100% then you have no right to call yourself a PPS program. SICCash is not PPS - it is a crappy revshare program as they take no losses on individual webmasters and payout no bonuses to well performing webmasters. A real revshare program takes no losses and pays out bonuses. A real PPS takes losses but doesn't pay out bonuses. Personally I was canned from SICCash because of a bad couple of months based on a very small sample of signups. Of course the previous 3 years based on a much greater number of signups were not taken into consideration. . . maybe they're just complete morons.

[Jim]

Holy Shit, this is starting to get out of hand. For Greg to phony up the stats that I saw would be next to impossible. It's $55 for Christ's sake.

Nobody wins or gains anything from this thread. I would suspect future sponsors will look at Plateman's stats much more closely because of this...right or wrong. $55 is nothing...let it go. If you are that desperate for the $55, give me your paypal or epassporte and I will send it to you.

And Greg, Xenu Link Sleuth is not a hitbot. You guys should probably fix that in whatever software you are using. Of course all the hits from that software came mostly from one ip address.

Bottom line is, I don't believe anybody did anything wrong. If I ran the program, I would have terminated the account. If I was Plateman, I would be pissed off but I would move on.

This is really going nowhere.

[plateman]

I am not a cheat and I may have carried this a little to far but if you lost 55.00 in the seat of your truck would you unbolt it to find it ??

And also I dont make as much money doing this as others - this is only my beginning 2nd year.. So I need my money that is owed to me..

And greg I am gonna ask one more time nicely send my check it is only right..

[gregtx]

account.. I edited his name and personal info b/c i'm being nice
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/0.jpg

this is January traffic.. and why I took extra time to research the account.. traffic look odd to anyone???
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/1.jpg

so I pulled Oct traffic... doesn't look too odd..
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/2.jpg


until I looked at each induvidual signup... which all of these are random examples of... damn.. doesn't everyone wish they had 1:1 conversions!!!! so then we did reverse dns lookup and tracked where all hits were originating from.. the ips.. etc .. i will not post..

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/3.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/4.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/5.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/6.jpg


Judge for yourself...

[plateman]

greg look dude I pulled all your links on dec 3 of 2004 how hits showed in jan of 2005 is you problem to figure out..

and I have proof of it..

[Greenguy]

There's a lot of unique situations in this case that have been touched on, but not clearly addressed all at once, so let me see if I can exaplain them.

Jim asked Greg to contact him & he showed Jim Plateman's stats within 10 minutes - he's what SIC Cash (and Jim) saw:

90% of the traffic was from the Link Bot (NOT a Hit Bot, but a link checking program that most Link List owners use)
The Link Bot was being run VERY often - sometimes 15-20 times a day.
Each time the Link Bot ran, each link that Plateman had up got a "hit"
Now, if you take away the hits that the Link Bot sent, he was converting better than 1:2
If you look at the IP's of the signups that he got, they were all very similar & all started with the same Class (like 123.45.XX.XXX)

Based on this, if I was a sponsor, I would have instantly suspected fraud.

Now, knowing Plateman as I do, I probably would have contacted him, but I'm sure SIC Cash sees a lot of this type of thing & is probably sick of dealing with webmasters on the other end.

*****

Plateman - you need to MOVE ON! I know you're hurt about being called a cheat - I've been there myself a couple of times. I think you deserve the $55 and if it was my program, I would have sent it to you just to shut you up :D

Long story short - write if off as a loss, pull the links & get back to work.

Hell, I bet you could've made the $55 back by building sites & working on the Link Site instead of investing all this time into things :)

[plateman]

those wern't the stats I remember when I got the sales I would have thought something was wrong also..

and jim 55.00 to and 55.00 to me are two different figures..

[plateman]

Greenguy I pulled the links on dec 3 of 2004 and I told you so..

and I never ran the link bot more than 3 times a month and not at all in jan. of 2005

Now there is something very funny going on here and now I know not to trust anyone..

[Jim]

The ratio wasn't that good...I was mistaken when I talked to Greenie. But, I do see the linkbot being run a lot. Plateman, I was serious, if you really need the $55, I will send it to you. I just don't want you to hurt yourself any more than you have.

[Jim]

Originally posted by plateman

Now there is something very funny going on here and now I know not to trust anyone..

I can't see anything funny going on. Programs don't screw people out of that little bit of money unless they truly believe they are being cheated. There really is no conspiracy. I know you didn't cheat, Greenie knows you didn't cheat but...if we had no idea who you were, we would both think you did.

[RawAlex]

plateman, I agree with Jim and Greenguy on this one: MOVE ON. At this point, you are moving from "webmaster with a complaint" to "whiner". There is nothing you can add to this discussion that will suddenly make greg go "Gee, your a nice guy, here is your $55 and your account is open again". I looked at the numbers (which I suspect it unique rather than raw hits) and I would have killed your account. Everything greg has shown here supports their position.

I think you are better off distancing yourself from the whole issue and moving on. If the money is important, ask Jim for it. :-)

Alex

[plateman]

I am not a whiner I sent no bogus traffic and did nothing wrong..and do not want my account open..

Jim does not owe me 55.00 and he did not tell me on dec 3 2004 that all monies owed would be sent..

greg that runs sic cash told me that and he is never wrong ??

So I can move on and remember that SIC CASH fucked me out of 55.00 and his "word" is not worth the pixels it was typed on..

[plateman]

One more thing greg is basing some of his findings on traffic sent this month here is a example on one of there links in my admin..

now where it says reviewed is when I pulled all links and I added everyone of there links on oct. 12 2004 and pulled everyone on dec 3 2004 and I sent no traffic in jan this month - there stats are bogus and they are dropping webmasters to profit from all of the 55.00 they owe them..

Link URL: http://cumshotfrenzy.com/maintour.php/17679/142/A
Category: cumshots (pay) Link Status: Rejected Invalid
Submitted: 20:38:45 on 12 Oct 2004 Link Number: 5139
Reviewed: 13:34:16 on 3 Dec 2004 Reviewer:
Submitted by: ()
Description: 100.000 cumshot porn videos with pictures and live shows.

so can you guys tell me where the hits came from in jan. of this month when I only had a few stray banners left on my site..

[plateman]

here is a example of my fake bogus hit bot traffic at work


Member Transaction Date Amount Site
1 Initial Sale 2004-10-16 $ 4.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-10-21 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-11-20 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-12-20 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2005-01-19 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Next Scheduled Rebill 2005-02-18 - Jill Kelly's Official Site

and I think I remember the day of the sale I had 3 or 4 uniques and that sale was 4 days after I added sic cash links and look that surfer came from my fake traffic LL and my fake bogus traffic rebilled 4 times it must be magic..

And really greg I am sorry I didnt tell you to shove that 55.00 so far up your ASS THAT YOUR TEETH WOULD TURN GREEN

[Alphawolf]

So, the gist is that plateman's conversion ratio is far too good to be considered within normal range?

I could see if it was the same credit card being used or something, but if plateman is still posting why not post the stats greg sent to Jim.

You guys dont' delete posts- but it's sorta pointless to keep plateman's posts out in public while the other evidence is all private IMO.

[LB]

Wow ... I sometimes have stats like that.

Glad I dont use siccash.

[MrYum]

Ya know...this is one of those discussions I would normally avoid like the plague...there are not going to be any winners here...that much is clear.

Plateman...you don't know me...but I've seen your posts on the board...you seem like a straight up guy. I have NO doubt you're not a cheat. However, sometimes shit happens...these are computers...sometimes data gets sideways. And I can easily see how Greg would interpret those stats as problematic.

For whatever the reason, somewhere computer gremlins sent them stats that look funky...and they reacted. Right or wrong doesn't even matter anymore...

You're getting VERY good advice from Jim, Greenie and others...you have got to move on. At this point, you're doing yourself more harm than good...you've got to see that!

Reputation is EVERYTHING in this biz. Your BEST option at this point is to let it be known that you disagree...that you're NOT a cheat (think you've already covered this part...lol). Then, FORGET about it! All you're doing now is making yourself look bad to other sponsors...who may decide they don't want to risk doing business with you.

This is ONLY about $55. Yes, it's the principle of the thing...don't let the principle bite you in the ass buddy...please...move on :)

Hell man, I've been at this for about 4 years now. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least $1500 I've been stiffed out of. Sucks...you bet, but ya gotta move on...

If the $55 is that important...take Jim up on his very generous offer :D Which by the way...very fuckin cool of you to offer Jim :)

Seriously Plateman...do yourself a favor here...please...for your own sake...let this one go...

[plateman]

I agree with you Mr Yum and I am gonna move on, I cant keep posting about this, and it will all come out in the wash..

[MrYum]

That's great Plateman...so glad to hear it :)

And just for you...well, and cuz I happen to think these little suckers are just too damn cute! |bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna|

Take care man...tomorrow will be a better day!

[grzepa]

I feel your pain plateman, we all here know that you're not a cheater but as some guys here said $55 isnt worth the hassle and heart attack;-)

[plateman]

I just want to say again that everything that greg said about me and my traffic was not true the fact is my traffic was so good in oct. and part of nov. that I can brag about it and when you have 2 people type in a phrase they will join a pay site I seen it happen to many months now and I wish I had oct. server stats, I changed servers and can't pull it up but I will give a example of the search strings that people found my site with and joined a pay site also I went through all my sponsors and looked at the hits and not one looks fishy.. And another fact I only ran my link checker 3 or 4 times and not at all this month.. I had in nov 9 days of new server stats 248 search strings here is a few examples because greg asked what terms would pull up my site

1 56 12.93% xxx porn
2 23 5.31% sausage pizza porn movie
3 18 4.16% voyeur ladies dressing room xxx
4 8 1.85% lingerie porn
5 8 1.85% porn xxx
6 6 1.39% xxx lingerie
7 5 1.15% new porn sites
8 5 1.15% porno plenty xxx links
9 4 0.92% jays free xxx porno
10 4 0.92% panty porn
11 4 0.92% plenty
12 4 0.92% porn links
13 4 0.92% porn stars
14 3 0.69% Thonged celebs
15 3 0.69% XXX Movie Vault
16 3 0.69% hottest brunettes
17 3 0.69% jays xxx porn links
18 3 0.69% pornoplentyxxxlinks
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27 2 0.46% electronically-sign tgp -htm -html -php -cgi -shtml
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42 2 0.46% satin porn
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44 2 0.46% short chicks xxx porn
45 2 0.46% slip and stocking teen porn

Look at #37 those people most often have a hard cock and a credit card out - I see these strings and check sponsor stats and I see 1 unique and one sale almost always..

a whole dec. search strings and mind you I lost the really good traffic the end of oct. 824 search strings and all sales dropped in this month


Top 100 of 824 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 55 4.01% lingerie porn
2 44 3.21% xxx porn
3 22 1.60% porn xxx
4 21 1.53% xxx lingerie
5 13 0.95% cora ass traffic gallery
6 12 0.87% thonged celebrities
7 10 0.73% jays xxx links
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10 9 0.66% gothic sex movies
11 9 0.66% reality xxx
12 9 0.66% shocking parties toga
13 9 0.66% xxx links
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15 8 0.58% lingerie xxx
16 8 0.58% plenty of porn
17 8 0.58% reality porn
18 8 0.58% satin porn
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26 6 0.44% porn lingerie
27 6 0.44% pornoplentyxxxlinks
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91 3 0.22% xxx reality
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94 2 0.15% DRUNK ORGIES PARTIES STRIPPER PICTURES
95 2 0.15% Jays XXX

Look at #92 I sold a big cock site that is 10.00 to join with only 2 uniques and both signed up..

Now google really is starting to like me and yahoo must be mad about something..

this months search strings and sales were good this month and this only some se traffic


Top 100 of 722 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 24 2.28% vampire porn gallery
2 15 1.43% xxx porn
3 11 1.05% large women porn
4 10 0.95% xxx
5 9 0.86% petite hotties
6 9 0.86% shocking parties bachelorette
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Look at 20 and 23 - 2 people out of 4 signed up for anime sites for 2 different sponsors and 23 I didnt look for a sale there
and mind you greg oct 04 is when I had the most and best traffic and had over 2000 search terms from yahoo and almost every page of my site was on the first page of the serps for targeted terms and when I added your links and they were on top, and to add that I was not getting that much traffic then and all my other traffic went to the free links I have..

So greg this is how you can have those 1 to 1 sign up ratios and NO one can control what ip people will use a credit card for porn or if there are 5 in one state..

..

[plateman]

And you say I wanted to cash out and steal your money - Not true I read other threads on your program and a webmaster said your sites dont retain, so why would I want to stay on rev-share and not make hardly anything when I can send my LL traffic to a PPS program and make 25 or 35 ver. 2.95

And why did I post personal se terms - for any other sponsors that question my good converting traffic..

And also It kills me to say I am sorry to insult you with bad name calling in "public"

But I can honestly say I sent you NO bogus sign ups or traffic and your stats should filter out "link checkers"

Also a FYI I dropped a sponsor for excessive exit consoles and installs that I was making sales from in the start of last summer, and I checked today and seen 50 some hits for this month and like mr. yum said shit happens

[Netpiddler]

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

There is always another sponsor just as there are always other webmasters.

ARS accused me of fraud a couple years ago when my conversions started hovering around 1:12.

I sent them an email which basically said "Fine - your loss"... It took me less than 15 minutes to find another sponsor which not only never bitched about my great conversions - they gave me a job.

ARS lost out on tens of thousands of dollars in sales from me since that time. No big deal to them - they always have more webmasters. No big deal to me - there is always another sponsor. |thumb

This business is all about leveraging your time and effort and others' time and effort. A lot of wasted energy has went into this thread, so I hope it teaches someone out there something.

- Netpiddler

[lucid1]

looking at stats remote... last year (2004) my ratio with SIC cash was 1:1330 (unique) while my average from the same type of traffic (pretty much), was 1:326. Your not missing anything by moving on HOWEVER, if you have someone to bitch at about injustice, I would reccommend you do it!

Anyone remember DMR? Web800? Come 2k and they just sorta left... I havent owned a paysite since... my wife and I split up for a year after that, it was fucking horrible, but there wasnt anyone to bitch at about it... well that said, it really doesnt matter in the long run, you could of used the time you used here and made $55 doing something. Hell you could of picked up cans and sold em in for $55 by now...

2nd post ever! hah...

[GunnCat]

Greg you should have ponied up and paid Plate. You have probably spent more than $55 worth of your time not to mention the aggravation. As for you Plate, I can relate. I need every dime I make, and waiting to reach the minimum for a payout is a lesson in patience for sure.

[Mishi]

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

There is always another sponsor just as there are always other webmasters.

ARS accused me of fraud a couple years ago when my conversions started hovering around 1:12.

I sent them an email which basically said "Fine - your loss"... It took me less than 15 minutes to find another sponsor which not only never bitched about my great conversions - they gave me a job.

ARS lost out on tens of thousands of dollars in sales from me since that time. No big deal to them - they always have more webmasters. No big deal to me - there is always another sponsor. |thumb

This business is all about leveraging your time and effort and others' time and effort. A lot of wasted energy has went into this thread, so I hope it teaches someone out there something.

- Netpiddler

Nice post, Netpiddler |headbang|

I've had conversion ratios of 1:1 and 1:2 (that's sales to clicks). It tends to happen when I'm first promoting a site and sending pure, straight-off-the-linklist traffic; or it comes off consoles popped by the paysites (I hate agressive pops, but I do loves me some consoles - heck, with consoles, I've had 1:0!). With a little dumb luck you can get obscenely good ratios off small amounts of traffic. It's some cruel trick of math, I'm sure. When you get into the 100-5000 click range, things get wonky...crest 5000 and things start to normalize again. (Why yes, I have become a stats junkie -why do you ask?)

I suspect some people look at small traffic webmasters and assume we must be cheating to get any sales at all. Ironically, we also often assume those sponsors are cheating, because we get a sale within our first ten clicks, and then nothing for the next three years (yes, I have been in this situation).

Plateman, I completely sympathize with your situation and your feelings. I have never been accused of cheating in this biz, and I pray the day never comes. (I still have nightmares about the time I was falsely accused of shoplifting when I was...10? 12? A long fuckin' time ago. But I digress.) I understand that even if you need the money, it's not about the money.

And with that said, I have to agree with others, it's best to move on. You're only going to hurt yourself if you continue to focus on this incident. I know you want to fight for your honor, but sometimes it's wiser to let sleeping dogs lie. (Lay?) Be the sadder but wiser webmaster, and work to develop closer relationships with your sponsors so stuff like this doesn't happen to you again.

Much luck and all my best wishes to you.

[Sean416]

I just wanted to say I read this entire thread.

[grzepa]

I just wanted to say I read this entire thread.
|headbang|

[Ramster]

Smart post Netpiddler

[susanna]

I am not anti-program because I have run one myself for a long time and I have been ripped off big time. BUT. I find it curious that no one is publicly telling Greg/Sic to "move on and pay him out as its not worth the headache".

Yes I understand that affiliate webmasters are the marketing team "hired" by the paysite and they have the right to fire them on a whim. Yes I understand that aff webmasters have no union. I also see what is right and what is wrong.

I read this entire thread too and I can tell you that when making a choice for a new sponsor it will not be sic. Just based on this thread. 55.00 from sic would buy them a lot of love.

Let me be the first to "publicly" give them my 2 cents. Pay him already.

[Useless]

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

I guess that's where I'm all fucked up. I do this only for the money. I don't do it because it will make my balls larger, give me a clearer complexion, or get me passed the pearly gates. It's all about the money and nothing else.

[Sean416]

I read this entire thread too

right on baby! |bananna|

[Jim]

Susanna
I agree...
When Greenie and I first talked about it, we both said, you pay the guy and say, no more. Especially when there seems to be a problem with the stats knowing the difference between a hit bot and a link checker. To me, there was enough doubt to pay him but also let him know, we were done.

And probably, if they had it to do all over again, that's what they would do. But as I said, if you had no idea who plateman was and only saw the stats, terminating without pay would be called for.

[plateman]

I hate to post again.. but they reviewed my account on my last check in early nov. and sent a notice of revshare will be starting on dec. 6 so I icq greg and ask why, he says its not retaining, So I ask for a pass, they let me in one of there sites because I wanted to see for my self, So the next day I tell him about some problems I found and one thing lead to another and he said I am closing your account and all monies owed will be sent that was dec. 3 so I pull all links (and they have a bunch) So I am waiting for my check and I think anyday now and that was a few good weeks, So then I was cleaning some bookmarks and was gonna delete there link and for the hell of it I tryed To login and it worked and showed a rebill in dec.(now mind you I tryed To login days after he said he was closing and I got the message that my account is on hold) So then we talk and everything is ok I tell him to just leave it open, and I told him that I still need a check for 2 sales that I didnt get payed for and he says email accounting so some time went by and no reply so I icq greg and tell him the problem and I got no email reply and he finds that there is a problem and he agreed that they owe two sales and then while on iQC he thinks somethings wrong because I had x amount of sales one month and none the next month with the same amont of traffic so then he looks at jan. traffic and makes the claim that I am sending fake traffic and I am a fraud and sent bogos sales..

Now whats strange is that they reviewed my account (read the email I got on 12/01/04 and mind you I had no sales after nov. so if I sent bogos sales why did it take them this long and by magic my account reopens(And I ask greg why and he says he must have forgot to close it)

Another thing I had no links anywhere but my LL and I pulled all of them on dec. 3 2004 and had less than 5 banners left..

And greg based his finding on dec. and jan. traffic when I had NO links

and I have proof of everything said and if I really did sent bogus sales would I risk loosing my good name and going to the boards and starting this shit..

And it really makes me feel better that the good people of this board believe's me and they should pay me..

And I think this really helped me because I have more LL wanting to do link trades, more free site builders want to be on my list, And sponsors have emailed and pm me that they want me to have there stuff on my site..

[LowryBigwood]

Hey Plateman,

hang in there. If you're willing to do some link trading with me, i'll do some trading. :) Pm me or whatever.

[tiny]

"And it really makes me feel better that the good people of this board believe's me and they should pay me..

And I think this really helped me because I have more LL wanting to do link trades, more free site builders want to be on my list, And sponsors have emailed and pm me that they want me to have there stuff on my site.."

Thats because you stuck to your guns my friend.You did the same thing you'd tell your kids to do if your right don't backdown. |thumb

[Greenguy]

I find it curious that no one is publicly telling Greg/Sic to "move on and pay him out as its not worth the headache". A lot of people on here have agreed that he probably should have been paid & SIC Cash isn't the one that keeps posting & bringing this thread back to live. I do believe that they have moved on :D

[stev0]

account.. I edited his name and personal info b/c i'm being nice
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/0.jpg

this is January traffic.. and why I took extra time to research the account.. traffic look odd to anyone???
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/1.jpg

so I pulled Oct traffic... doesn't look too odd..
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/2.jpg


until I looked at each induvidual signup... which all of these are random examples of... damn.. doesn't everyone wish they had 1:1 conversions!!!! so then we did reverse dns lookup and tracked where all hits were originating from.. the ips.. etc .. i will not post..

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/3.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/4.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/5.jpg

http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/plateman/6.jpg


Judge for yourself...

Greg, i must admit it looks a little strange... but that proves nothing. Buck up and pay the guy what you owe him, save yourself the hassle. I'm sure in the long run this thread will cost SICCash alot more than $55. Most people cancel trials, I'm surprized you were able to come to the conclusion that this was "fraud" by looking at that small amount of traffic.

I submit to plateman's link site regularly and i've got qutie a few sales off it over the last few months. I'm pretty sure he has better things to do than rip a few signups off from SICCash.

You can check the credit card info can't you? Unless it's his credit card, or the joins are charging back you really don't have any justification to withhold his funds.

I've had stats that look like that in the past, in fact i've been 1:1 - 1:10 with alot of sponsors when I first start, especially if i've got a very targetted banner or link that doesnt send a whole lot of traffic.

[tickler]

I've had stats that look like that in the past, in fact i've been 1:1 - 1:10 with alot of sponsors when I first start, especially if i've got a very targetted banner or link that doesnt send a whole lot of traffic.
I get flagged for possible fraud all the time with similar stats like that. The way I have things setup, I generaly have single hits trickling into sponsor sites all the time. So this period I get a sale on site 1:1, |bananna| and the warning bells go off on their scrubs. After I calmly explain to them to check the historical for more than 1 period, it generally works out to a more normal 1:200-300 range.

[Netpiddler]

I guess that's where I'm all fucked up. I do this only for the money. I don't do it because it will make my balls larger, give me a clearer complexion, or get me passed the pearly gates. It's all about the money and nothing else.

I won't hijack this thread over that reply - but to clarify for those reading (as many are)...

* You can go with a cheaper host to save money - only to find your sites down all the time and no support from the host to fix the issue...

* You can go with a sponsor program because they offer $40 per trial and advertising amazing conversions - only to learn they also offer no support or have shady business practices...

* You can buy content sets for $3 a piece to save money and submit away to high competition sites...

* Those of us who are leaders and mentors in the business could stop helping fellow webmasters for free and start charging them for the simplest of answers... I spend a huge amount of time every day helping others that are struggling or just need answers - should I charge them by the hour - I don't think so...

My point being is that those that see we are a small part of a much bigger picture and put others first from time to time become leaders and mentors in this business. Sure you can be in it for money as this is a business - but as I said - the money isn't everything.

- Netpiddler

[susanna]

Maybe Plateman is an incredibly good salesman with a fully pre-qualified sale BEFORE they click thru?

I remember the days where that was possible without anyone thinking FRAUD.

|swordfigh