Any Old Timers Lurking? Inside NOW! [Archive]

LeeNoga

2005-01-18, 05:03 PM

Gee, what do we even call an old timer in this business.

I wish I knew now what we thought we knew in mid 90's, I would be set...

I did not think the industry would go in the direction it did but I should have known based on the evolution of porn mgs, VHS, CD-ROM and now DVD....

I love this business, and the sky is not falling by any means. Porn will always make money...it just takes more work than it did for us when we all had only 1 site to our name...

Interesting times to see how we evolved...and who leads the way and who set us on the path...

Any old timers around?

You have to have some views on how things have evolved.

Do you think our old business strategies still have value?

Greenguy

2005-01-18, 05:16 PM

I have over 8 years in the biz, yet I do not feel like an "old timer" :)

Of course, you Lee, you're old like dirt :D

Cleo

2005-01-18, 05:21 PM

I came around to this biz in 97 but not full time.

Not sure what that makes me.

Jim

2005-01-18, 05:28 PM

It makes everyone of you newbs :)

LeeNoga

2005-01-18, 05:31 PM

Damnit! I wrote a long post, talking some past and my damn cat decided to walk on the kb and delete the whole posting window...Argh.

Don't feel like reconstructing it all again..I will tho.

DAMNIT.|raygun|

Greenguy

2005-01-18, 05:33 PM

Oh man...I fucking hate when that happens :D

Jim

2005-01-18, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by LeeNoga
Damnit! I wrote a long post, talking some past and my damn cat decided to walk on the kb and delete the whole posting window...Argh.

Don't feel like reconstructing it all again..I will tho.

DAMNIT.|raygun|

Newb :)

DangerDave

2005-01-18, 05:48 PM

'96 seems like a long long time ago now.... |rasta|

DD

LeeNoga

2005-01-18, 06:42 PM

Lee makes sure there are NO cats on the desk this time!

I know '96 does sound like a long time ago..whats more difficult is shag carpet was my generation in the 70's and its back in fashion.|angry|

We always wondered what it would be like 10 years from where we started. I have hit that 10 year mark, and who would have figured all the trends we did not have back then.

We had free sites, link lists and Top 100/500/200 sites, and AVS..

Now we have link lists, review sites, searh engines, TGO, Blogs, small pockets of AVS.....

Used to have one site, now if you don't have at least 10 your a newb..LOL...

The money did not easier, you work for less margins..for some.

Is there any part of our business from the mid 90's that is just as stong now as ever?

One thing is domain names, still a hot commodity.

We knew then SE traffic ruled, we knew any traffic that qualified teh buyer with a CC is golden [AVS, retail stores etc], type-in traffic.

Now....review sites have golden traffic...what about the other "used to be" or "still is" goldens?

Lee kicks cat off desk.|knockout|

[BV]

2005-01-18, 06:43 PM

Hi Lee,

Sure they still have value!

Remember back in 99 when you and PornDaddy got me straight and hooked up with the CCBill people so I could open my first affiliate program?

I still remember that show. It was my first show ever and was even the first time I had ever really communicated with any other webmasters at all! Online or in person!

I remember being a little early and I really didn't know what other webmasters would look like. So I sent the barmaid over to ask if that group was here for the show. What transpired after that pretty much changed the future for me and many of those concepts that were discussed still play out today.

Cheers,
BV

LeeNoga

2005-01-18, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by [BV]
Remember back in 99 when you and PornDaddy got me straight and hooked up with the CCBill people so I could open my first affiliate program?

I still remember that show. It was my first show ever and was even the first time I had ever really communicated with any other webmasters at all! Online or in person!

What transpired after that pretty much changed the future for me and many of those concepts that were discussed still play out today.

BV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Honey, WOW what a nice surprise and waltz down memory lane...I miss those ol' times alot. You have done well for yourself.

Yes, alot of things remain the same but I have always said those trying to "earn" off yesterdays business model are starting to feel some lower margins. More specifically, those still using business models from the 90's....

It was interesting today to see Rog from PornKings come forward and admit due to lower margins he had to do a 2 person layoff in one of his 3 branch offices [Seattle I believe] [Tampa, Seattle & Philipines]. He admitted he has to steer away from leased content and go exclusive....

I have always wondered if the original sponsors doing things the way they did for many years could compete in this competitive market slowly leaning and growing towards exclusive content.

Then BAMMO, Rog comes forward from PornKings and states he is strong, very much around and changing the way they do business in the future was the jest of it.

It seems in this business very few twists and turns yield solid crops forever...I remember when Jimbo [Yup, Greenie's Jimbo] entered the TGP business and he was kicking ass! Now I wonder how that is going....I have my suspicions...

I am also seeing webmasters doing some great sites and putting more effort into them vs. free pics with a banner buffet on top.

The whole area of content has done a real 180....used to be everyone had to buy content, now ya get it from the sponsors.

Our business is still very young, and there is still a pot full of money to be made..so many ppl doing things the old stale way may see margins dropping but that is not the sky falling, its them failing...

I am seeing webmasters due some amazing conversion ratio's, so it makes me wonder and rethink stuff....

In our time, it was a given...now its an art form.

Jringo

2005-01-18, 09:47 PM

I remember my first CES show in Vegas in 97, heading down to the basbement "Adult section".... Most everyone was into audio,text,hardcopy,films.....very little Internet. than some guy tried to convince me to buy a "turnkey" adult site....almost did, talked 3 other guys into it and at the last minute decided We can build it ourselves. 4 mechanics with 2 PC's between us a 133 and the bad boy166 i think it was. well needless to say If i knew than what I know now i'd have the traffic the Hun has today.....the 1st 3 years was learning how to turn the PC on....
I can say that 1st year and the rest of the 4 years I went to CES in vegas I did hear alot of "what if's" that today are money makers big time from guys who are now big time.....
just one question to the "old Timers"...where would You be today if You had the resources todays newbies have? free everything....

anyway just joined and wanted to say hello

LeeNoga

2005-01-18, 10:55 PM

Welcome JRingo.

Your first step of coming forward at this board may be your most important one yet. Congrats on make the move to speak up :-))

Great question...

If I were to come into adult now, how would I proceed....

I will answer this but UNDERSTAND this is only my opinion, and I am skewed because I been around 10 years in the online industry and see alot of trends and stats....

That was a loaded question because it depends on what your looking to do...make some change to buy a toy part time or generate some bucks and make a full time career...

To make a full time career, you need to be cash resourced coming in....sophistication and resources to pull it off take staffing...

My focus would be on being a site review product. These folks are looking to come to your site to get the advantage and know in respect to where they could best spend their money.

The concept I am drilling down to, is I would get into the genre where the traffic is more targetted and golden...I want to deal with those surfers who want to spend money and not freeload.

The traffic is so much less than the other means, but the conversions are so much more rich....usually under 1:100.

If you review 2000 sites lets say, and a surfer joins one of them, you get paid because you want to be an affiliate of every site your review. Then you can become an affiliate program, and pay webmasters if the surfer signs up to any of the 2000 sites.

Blogs are starting to come into their own...surfers are looking for more information than buttons and banners...because of the glut fo sites...

The content is always provided for free because your content is site reviews, and the sponsors have no problem giving you promo material, trailers, images etc...

It just takes time to do the reviews and it is alot of work.

LOL, just read your question again....if I were starting over today I would be as successful as I was when I came in 10 years ago because I know what is not tapped out..and what is..I also know where technology is going...and I do not want to be edged out because I am antiguated...so choosing my genre has to be immune to the standards ever changing on what it takes to have good paysites in 2005, 2006, 2007...

If I tried to compete for traffic now, non TGP I would be in a world of hurt.

BUT, if I come up with a product that attracts traffic to me, problem is solved. I believe doing a paysite review type of site would be my choice.

If I had unlimited funds, I would of course buy traffic, or ideally buy domains with type-in traffic...

Your going to start seeing sites going up for sale...its already happening...I would sit back in 2005 and acquire them for the traffic...

Hope this answered your question.

Jringo

2005-01-19, 01:02 AM

Thanks for the welcome, and Yes I agree many areas are played out making it very difficult for new starts. Unique has always been the key, the guy selling You the "secret to buying houses for no money down" is doing so because he has bought all there is and the next source of income is selling his success story. I guess what my main point was.....what used to be design by HTML is now Dreamweaver WYSIWYG, content...Your own or scarce selections at a high price Now everybody gives You free, domain name at $100.00 a year I get them now for 9.95, website 145.00 a month with limited bandwith Now I get it for 4.95 a month with 10 domains, sponsors....Remember the first "Xpics"?....... lol . I was i guess commenting on how much it has changed, easier in many ways but harder in others.....I remember getting listed on the Hun several times a month, now if you pay you wait months..... link trades were a simple email, sponsors didn't give much but example my Adult friend finder account is #4021 I seen one last week in the hundred thosands...many are so saturated.....I do like Your idea.....

in my opinion...as in any business where it has had time to fill up because of the early success stories You can supply the new starts or like you wrote come up with the unique or at least un saturated areas....

take care,
Allen

Jringo

2005-01-19, 01:20 AM

Agree totally, used to be You tossed up a site ,a few pics,found a sponsor, and just started promo....I made so much money advertising AFF click thru at (if i remember .16 a hit) one good day getting on a few Big TGP's and my regular traffic - i'd get 16k uniques and maybe 150 sign ups, in 01 it went south and last I used them i was getting .01...... I still think for the small operator the right model,right marketing and people will join and stay with her like a girlfriend You can have a good run at it.
But yes the day of the beer money webmaster are numbered......

Originally posted by LeeNoga
BV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Honey, WOW what a nice surprise and waltz down memory lane...I miss those ol' times alot. You have done well for yourself.

Yes, alot of things remain the same but I have always said those trying to "earn" off yesterdays business model are starting to feel some lower margins. More specifically, those still using business models from the 90's....

It was interesting today to see Rog from PornKings come forward and admit due to lower margins he had to do a 2 person layoff in one of his 3 branch offices [Seattle I believe] [Tampa, Seattle & Philipines]. He admitted he has to steer away from leased content and go exclusive....

I have always wondered if the original sponsors doing things the way they did for many years could compete in this competitive market slowly leaning and growing towards exclusive content.

Then BAMMO, Rog comes forward from PornKings and states he is strong, very much around and changing the way they do business in the future was the jest of it.

It seems in this business very few twists and turns yield solid crops forever...I remember when Jimbo [Yup, Greenie's Jimbo] entered the TGP business and he was kicking ass! Now I wonder how that is going....I have my suspicions...

I am also seeing webmasters doing some great sites and putting more effort into them vs. free pics with a banner buffet on top.

The whole area of content has done a real 180....used to be everyone had to buy content, now ya get it from the sponsors.

Our business is still very young, and there is still a pot full of money to be made..so many ppl doing things the old stale way may see margins dropping but that is not the sky falling, its them failing...

I am seeing webmasters due some amazing conversion ratio's, so it makes me wonder and rethink stuff....

In our time, it was a given...now its an art form.

Jringo

2005-01-19, 01:29 AM

One more and i'll quit...lol
re reading your post I have some questions.....from what I got are You saying build a site like the old "This site approved by Billybob critic" ? or a link site with just more text giving Your opinion on a specific pay site...like "siskel and whoever"?
please explain. I would be interested. Let me ask this , I was toying with the idea of a reverse TGP of sorts ....where it is a "wanted by surfer" post answered by TGP poster providing the requests.....pros - cons?
thanks
Allen

Originally posted by LeeNoga
Welcome JRingo.

Your first step of coming forward at this board may be your most important one yet. Congrats on make the move to speak up :-))

Great question...

If I were to come into adult now, how would I proceed....

I will answer this but UNDERSTAND this is only my opinion, and I am skewed because I been around 10 years in the online industry and see alot of trends and stats....

That was a loaded question because it depends on what your looking to do...make some change to buy a toy part time or generate some bucks and make a full time career...

To make a full time career, you need to be cash resourced coming in....sophistication and resources to pull it off take staffing...

My focus would be on being a site review product. These folks are looking to come to your site to get the advantage and know in respect to where they could best spend their money.

The concept I am drilling down to, is I would get into the genre where the traffic is more targetted and golden...I want to deal with those surfers who want to spend money and not freeload.

The traffic is so much less than the other means, but the conversions are so much more rich....usually under 1:100.

If you review 2000 sites lets say, and a surfer joins one of them, you get paid because you want to be an affiliate of every site your review. Then you can become an affiliate program, and pay webmasters if the surfer signs up to any of the 2000 sites.

Blogs are starting to come into their own...surfers are looking for more information than buttons and banners...because of the glut fo sites...

The content is always provided for free because your content is site reviews, and the sponsors have no problem giving you promo material, trailers, images etc...

It just takes time to do the reviews and it is alot of work.

LOL, just read your question again....if I were starting over today I would be as successful as I was when I came in 10 years ago because I know what is not tapped out..and what is..I also know where technology is going...and I do not want to be edged out because I am antiguated...so choosing my genre has to be immune to the standards ever changing on what it takes to have good paysites in 2005, 2006, 2007...

If I tried to compete for traffic now, non TGP I would be in a world of hurt.

BUT, if I come up with a product that attracts traffic to me, problem is solved. I believe doing a paysite review type of site would be my choice.

If I had unlimited funds, I would of course buy traffic, or ideally buy domains with type-in traffic...

Your going to start seeing sites going up for sale...its already happening...I would sit back in 2005 and acquire them for the traffic...

Hope this answered your question.

Kath

2005-01-19, 01:34 AM

I knew when I saw Lee's thread that there would be lots of old-timers posting on this board... someone used a term on another board that I've kind of latched onto.... "pre-2k webmasters" to define those who came onto the 'Net in the wild west days of the 90's... just liked the sound of it.

How ya doin Lee? You looked great in Vegas - congrats again on the new gig... don't even have to give you good wishes, as I know they're not needed. You go girl!

Just wanted to pop in.... very interesting thread.... I'm anxious to see who else crawls out of the woodwork.

|couch|

Certifiedbitch

2005-01-19, 02:49 AM

old timers? sounds really old Lee...lol

btw, i call them guru.;)

GeorgeTH

2005-01-19, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Greenguy
I have over 8 years in the biz, yet I do not feel like an "old timer" :)
Wait, let me see: if internet years count like dog years that makes you a 56 year old pornmaster... |knockout|

I just said on netpiddler's board today that probably the biggest mistake I made was not to employ somebody back in 1999 when I was seriously thinking about it...

The second biggest was my first break in 2000 when I went for 6 months to Europe to help my frailing mother pack and move to another town; not as a personal mistake, it actually healed some old wounds, but it set me back a lot with future traffic.

I've seen so many oldtimers leave the biz over the last 15-18 months, it's not funny anymore!
I have probably lost 1/3 of my linkexchange traffic due to people closing their sites, some even giving up their domains...

Interesting the talk about review sites; only new years day that I registered a domain for one... I thought: new year = time for a fresh project.

Nickname

2005-01-19, 07:36 AM

I have 5+ years in biz and am definatley not an old timer |newbie|

Greenguy

2005-01-19, 08:50 AM

Knowing what I know already, I'd be scared to come into this business not knowing anyone & trying to get an actual business off the ground.

But, then again, not knowing what I know would cause me to not be scared :D

LeeNoga

2005-01-19, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
I just said on netpiddler's board today that probably the biggest mistake I made was not to employ somebody back in 1999 when I was seriously thinking about it....

You know this begs the question of, "Who" was the person you did not employ???????????

Come on Jimbo, your getting slow you old fart, you should have been asking this question!

Shoot, we all have big regrets.

My biggest regret was not jumping on the WebFather domain game when I could...I remember when he was peddling banners for $50 each and he was getting them made for $15 in New Mexico. Then one day is starts these $50 prize for who could submit the best domain names that are available...on YNOT in 1996-1997.

I wached him build this empire and speak of his vision that domains were like virtual real estate...alot of us kinda blew this off as Rick was snapping up the domains for peanuts...

Even if he paid 10K for a domain back then, we thought he was nuts, now look at him..he sells men.com for 1.3 million, he owns 4-6K domains with all type in traffic.

I started in 1997 buying domains, and it was a little late in the game but I still got good ones because I was not competing against scripts and technologies to get them which folks do now.

Ya, I made over $150K reselling what I bought but I could have made millions if I would have been more aggressive in getting domains and buying them used from owners that sat on them back when their value was not realized.

I registered my first domain in 1995, and if I would have just bought more than the one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmph, this regret still bugs me. It would have been one thing to wish I had done it but I came on the scene late but thats not the case.

I was there from Day 1, and was there when Rick had this idea and was there when he made his first million...

Argh.

Raven

2005-01-19, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Greenguy
I have over 8 years in the biz, yet I do not feel like an "old timer" :)

Of course, you Lee, you're old like dirt :D

Glad you said it, GG.....but, she looks fabulous!

Aren't the old timers circa '96?

I don't count. I think I was dubbed a midbie because I'm from '98.

But, Ms. Lee Noga is my desktop icon...one of the first faces besides Kath and Marsha I saw at that infamous AWE in Atlanta.

I was in business for three years before showing my face....:)

Greenguy

2005-01-19, 07:22 PM

I came in in 96 but I don't think anyone knew me until 97 when I joined CONDOM :D

Linkster

2005-01-19, 07:44 PM

I was a crossover from the old adult BBS community back in the 80s - I tried starting the web thing when it first appeared - even bought a good domain name that has since long gone - and due to personal issues had to drop the whole biz. Although some of my favorite memories are the people that the Hun used to list - because they actually posted links that they had nothing to do with - LOL - they just found an interesting pic gallery and gave it to him :)
The other memory I have was of all of the "award" sites which I guess now is the equivalent of the trendy review sites with a twist. Of course a better correlation would be that those were the old PR link sales pages |jester| except that Google didnt exist but traffic trading was the key to success.

Kath

2005-01-20, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Raven
Glad you said it, GG.....but, she looks fabulous!

Aren't the old timers circa '96?

I don't count. I think I was dubbed a midbie because I'm from '98.

But, Ms. Lee Noga is my desktop icon...one of the first faces besides Kath and Marsha I saw at that infamous AWE in Atlanta.

I was in business for three years before showing my face....:)

I have to admit.... she does! |roses|

Why did we all do that? So many of us worked all alone in a corner before "coming out" on the boards/shows. I did a lot of mainstream in '97, didn't do adult until '98 and then didn't find CONDOM Project until late '98. I see that time as time wasted - I didn't really start learning/earning until I began networking on the boards, asking questions and getting reviews from those '96ers.

|newbie|

Raven

2005-01-20, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Kath
I have to admit.... she does! |roses|

Why did we all do that? So many of us worked all alone in a corner before "coming out" on the boards/shows. I did a lot of mainstream in '97, didn't do adult until '98 and then didn't find CONDOM Project until late '98. I see that time as time wasted - I didn't really start learning/earning until I began networking on the boards, asking questions and getting reviews from those '96ers.

|newbie|

We were successful before going to shows.

I can't even imagine how much further we would have been had we started networking in person back in '98.

And, there were gaps in my education because we were isolated and alone in our cave.

Jringo

2005-01-20, 03:28 AM

I'd have to say my biggest regret would be spending so much time constantly tweaking my site instead of going after more traffic, but it seems the traffic just came so I designed and redesigned......till one day I had a cool ass site and a inflated ego and i loved going there to admire my work, problem was i was the last one going there....till one the great providers we had back than sold out and took my domain with them....
Now I think I just come on line because old habits die hard...

Danielle

2005-01-20, 05:55 AM

Hi Lee! |peace|

Remember the fake cum questions?

Hugs,
Danielle

Almighty Colin

2005-01-20, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by LeeNoga

We always wondered what it would be like 10 years from where we started. I have hit that 10 year mark, and who would have figured all the trends we did not have back then.

It's amazing. Some of us have grown up together.

Almighty Colin

2005-01-20, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Raven
she looks fabulous!

Yeah, she does. Better than ever.

Greenguy

2005-01-20, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Kath
Why did we all do that? So many of us worked all alone in a corner before "coming out" on the boards/shows. It wasn't that I was hiding or anything, just in a small circle of friends, most of whom still do not post on boards :D

Kinky

2005-01-20, 08:29 AM

does missing pic posts make you an old timer? |rasta|

Renee

2005-01-20, 08:37 AM

so close to my birthday, this thread makes me really feel old!

I remember the "gift" for coming up with the best domain names, LOL they were flying all up and down that board.

I was so smart I never tried to get any of them|angry|

I agree with the rest, my biggest mistake was not hiring someone to continue my work, then move on with something new but hell I was happy.. and rich! LOL

I did TRY to hire a couple people but they couldnt/wouldnt/didnt do it like I did so they had to go |loony|

second was turning my site into a cj site, I had dedicated and loyal traffic. But the money was awesome and the net was new and I was getting it while I could cause I just knew it wouldnt last hehehe :p

The surfers would email me saying they found a site that was using my pics (bought from Lee) on their site and wanted to make sure I knew about it and they had permission to do so, even had some surfers volunteer to "take care of them for me" if I hadnt given my permission LOL

which brings me to the one thing that I think has remained consistant. Surfers that can relate to a person/personality will have better quality traffic over ALL the rest. I agree with Lee that blogs are a great tool to add that personality to a site.

and lastly... THANK GOD FOR CRONS!

Almighty Colin

2005-01-20, 08:56 AM

Are you the Renee I know and love?

Renee

2005-01-20, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin
Are you the Renee I know and love?

come hug me and find out!|smooch|

hey honey! how ya been? been awhile

Almighty Colin

2005-01-20, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Renee
come hug me and find out!|smooch|

hey honey! how ya been? been awhile

Yeah, it HAS. Great to run into you out here. ;-)

Been great. :-)

|smooch|

PS colin@almightycontent.com

Taz

2005-01-20, 11:33 AM

Greetings and salutations to all!

Ok Lee, you got me out of lurker mode with the old timer remark.

It's a bit ironic to see on the boards now the same issues we discussed back in the OTR days.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Peace,

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin
Yeah, she does. Better than ever.

*blush*....I had not attended an Internext show in years due to CE cutting back how "large" they exhibited. But, actually it made sense to cut back because after so many shows how much more business can you harvest?

Once my pics ended up on fubar this year, some old friends dragged up some old ones from Internext '98 in Orlando...

OMG...what was I thinking with red hair and a mullet! Ya think I should post the 1998 pic and a 2005 pic? Will do only if ya ask me to.

WOW, it is great to see you Renee! It so great to see Colin and Taz! I feel like this is a family reunion without the big sit down meal and dishes!

Concepts born a decade ago are still solid concepts, what has changed is the application.

Pic Posts! LOL.....and I still see folks doing "Pic of the Day" in email. That was such a big deal with surfers the POTD...now its spam.

I still cannot believe I sold "Perverts.com" for 10K in 1997, STUPID!

Jim

2005-01-20, 11:53 AM

I have yet to see any real old timer post in this thread :)

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Danielle
Hi Lee! |peace|

Remember the fake cum questions?

Hugs,
Danielle

OMG, I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL....

We had some great times way back when, we were all brother and Sisters...and we can still see this bond strong today.

Example, they are raising money for Dokk on another board to go to Jamaica this year, and have been successful. It was our old timer community behind this drive and still in 2005 we look after each other even tho sometimes we feel miles apart.

I miss Asia Carerra on the YNOT board...she was something, and Persian Kitty who never got full of herself in her "Hey Day". The print mags wanted to buy her empire and she did not sell out...and she was so dedicated and remained anchored. I remember when she first showed off her Yacht boat...everyone was WOWEE!

Now who knows how she is...and where she is at., she has partners now etc...maybe she is off living the life she gave up to manager her link site for so many years when she first began.

I miss PushRod and Ro, I miss Janey, I miss Jonathan from Naughty Links [he sold off], I miss Mike Fold, I miss JoeE and RB..I remember when they told me they were starting an affiliate program...now look at those empires.

I remember when Marc De was with Breathless Boys and got into a bad situo on YNOT, was kinda run off, and came back a year later with ARS, and look at the empire...

Gawd, I have seen children in this busines grow up before my eyes and be upstanding webmasters, married now with kids!

I still love it when GG won the Viper from CE!!!

How many miles you have on it GG, less than 500? *wink*

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Jim
I have yet to see any real old timer post in this thread :)

Busted.

You.

Just.

Did.

|bananna|

Rowdy

2005-01-20, 12:18 PM

Oldtimer huh... not sure of I qualify or not actually :)

I was a lurker in 96 .. part timer in 97 ... went full time in 98

There has been many changes but I will admit that there is still some great folks in the business! That was one of my nicest surprises when starting out... finding all the good folks out there (even if they did hide a bit) compared to my previous "real world" job.

Originally posted by LeeNoga
I miss PushRod and Ro

Just talked to them right before Vegas. I felt bad as they said they would have made plans to go if they knew the wife and I were going to be there but there's always next time :) (They are great folks without a doubt!)

There's been good and bad over the years .... after thinking about it a bit ... there's so much that could be commented on I wouldn't even know where to start... nor would I probably have the time to do the proper follow up. I've made good friends... lost a few good friends... learned a lot which includes learning that the "learning" never stops ... hopefully helped others learn a lot and of course I hope that I'll be able to talk about the good old days in another 8 years as well.

I guess the real reason I posted was to say to "the oldtimers" be it posters or lurkers... you folks have helped us all in one way or another even if you didn't realize it .. so for that, we all owe those folks a thank you! People like Lee blazed the path and opened it up for so many to follow. I'm sure the porn world still would be around today without them but without a doubt... it wouldn't have been the same :)

I hope we all get to enjoy another ten years and more ... best wishes of success to you all.

Greenguy

2005-01-20, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Jim
I have yet to see any real old timer post in this thread :) Look in the mirror :D

Greenguy

2005-01-20, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by LeeNoga
I still love it when GG won the Viper from CE!!!

How many miles you have on it GG, less than 500? *wink* I think it's 1200 or so. I still remember Meat running down the long hallway to tell me I won because Jim said the drawing was at 3:30 when in reality it was at 3 :D

Renee

2005-01-20, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by LeeNoga

OMG...what was I thinking with red hair and a mullet! Ya think I should post the 1998 pic and a 2005 pic? Will do only if ya ask me to.

LOL consider yourself asked! :p

I was amazed at how much you changed from the last "set" of pics I remember and the recent ones!

and as far as the food goes.. it is a bring a plate brunch! I have the tator salad :D

PK and Lee were always my female idols.
(but for some reason for a long time I thought Lee was that little short asian woman in her pics she sold) *ducking*

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 03:29 PM

LOL consider yourself asked! :p

Lee Noga BEFORE PIC: 1998 41 years old

http://www.xbangcash.com/promo/pics/lee1998.jpg

AFTER PIC: 2005 - 48 years old

http://www.xbangcash.com/promo/pics/Lee2005.jpg

http://www.xbangcash.com/promo/pics/lee2005-2.jpg

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 03:32 PM

Not sure why the pics went to links, maybe this board is set that way or maybe my personal settings are not set, dunno..but at least you get the jest :-)

Greenguy

2005-01-20, 03:39 PM

Not sure why the pics went to links, maybe this board is set that way or maybe my personal settings are not set, dunno..but at least you get the jest :-) We don't allow pics to load in threads - slows down the board too much.

I notice one similarity in the before & after pics :D

LeeNoga

2005-01-20, 03:44 PM

We don't allow pics to load in threads - slows down the board too much.

I notice one similarity in the before & after pics :D

Lee ponders.

Lee guesses:

a) I am still a female.

b) Gold Lion Medallion and tire chain necklace

c) Still wear glasses.

*snicker*

Greenguy

2005-01-20, 03:47 PM

b) Gold Lion Medallion and tire chain necklace BING BING BING BING

Or should I say BLING BLING - LOL

Jringo

2005-01-21, 01:19 AM

Man seeing Your Av brings back memories, when that was part of the set You gave away in Your FREE content....

Hi Lee! |peace|

Remember the fake cum questions?

Hugs,
Danielle

Danielle

2005-01-21, 01:43 AM

Man seeing Your Av brings back memories, when that was part of the set You gave away in Your FREE content....

That is an old pic. Maybe I need to update it. :)

Hugs,
Danielle

Jringo

2005-01-21, 03:52 AM

I liked that set!..... esp when You were on the table....Hmmmm, anyway almost signed Up for your new aff program, but I quit using my SSN online.

That is an old pic. Maybe I need to update it. :)

Hugs,
Danielle

Danielle

2005-01-21, 04:27 AM

I liked that set!..... esp when You were on the table....Hmmmm, anyway almost signed Up for your new aff program, but I quit using my SSN online.

Yep, an SSN or an EIN is a requirement. Can't make any exceptions for that one or the IRS will get us.

We actually do a quick background investigation on all affiliates before we approve them now. You would be amazed at how much fraud that has cut down on.

Hugs,
Danielle

Red

2005-01-21, 10:31 AM

The other memory I have was of all of the "award" sites which I guess now is the equivalent of the trendy review sites with a twist. Of course a better correlation would be that those were the old PR link sales pages |jester| except that Google didnt exist but traffic trading was the key to success.

Oh God I remember those "award sites" too. And how proud I was back in '97 to put that button on my first little free site. LOL

Hi Lee, how are you? I haven't seen you since Los Angeles 3 or 4 years ago.

Jim

2005-01-21, 10:33 AM

We actually do a quick background investigation on all affiliates before we approve them now. You would be amazed at how much fraud that has cut down on.

Hugs,
Danielle

Get out!!! What do you do with the SSN? Not a lot of people know that it is a federal crime to use a SSN for anything other than Social Security business. That law does go mostly ignored. :)

Greenguy

2005-01-21, 10:34 AM

Who was that big award site in 97 or so? I won it one day & sat around & watched my stats go thru the roof :)

LeeNoga

2005-01-21, 10:44 AM

Oh God I remember those "award sites" too. And how proud I was back in '97 to put that button on my first little free site. LOL

Do you remember the award by Lapis,"Capt Smut"..that was a big one when I first came on the scene...

As it turns out,one of the two folks behind this, "Capt. Smut" award button was Quentin Boyer, formerly a Director of Topbucks for the last 5 years, and now VP of Marketing at XBang as of last Dec..

I was SO proud to get my Capt. Smut button!

Red, Honey I am doing great and dumped the red hair in 2001, back to beachie blonde tones since I fish alot on the boat.

Divorced the wife of 16 years in 2001, and happily single :-)

Just resigned from CE- in Dec, and happy as hell with XBang...Lots of major life changes, but most welcomed ones!

How are you my darling?

Red

2005-01-21, 10:59 AM

Do you remember the award by Lapis,"Capt Smut"..that was a big one when I first came on the scene...

As it turns out,one of the two folks behind this, "Capt. Smut" award button was Quentin Boyer, formerly a Director of Topbucks for the last 5 years, and now VP of Marketing at XBang as of last Dec..

I was SO proud to get my Capt. Smut button!

Red, Honey I am doing great and dumped the red hair in 2001, back to beachie blonde tones since I fish alot on the boat.

Divorced the wife of 16 years in 2001, and happily single :-)

Just resigned from CE- in Dec, and happy as hell with XBang...Lots of major life changes, but most welcomed ones!

How are you my darling?

I don't even remember who I got the awards from, but I had a bunch and since my site was my erotic writing, I took them as high accolades indeed. :)

I'm glad things are going so well for you. You look great as a blonde.
Things are going terrific for me. I got engaged, complete with a beautiful ring and I'll be getting married next January.
My affiliate program has its official launch on Monday so everything is real good.

LeeNoga

2005-01-21, 11:54 AM

and I'll be getting married next January.
My affiliate program has its official launch on Monday so everything is real good.

RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW.

YOU are the "UPS"! Congrats!

All the best and happiness in your marriage, and affiliate program!

See, your further proof, us early gen webmasters still have alot of options still available...

Affiliate programs are fun, I really enjoy the web hamsters, I get to either *spank them or *hug* them, they are all like my kids! |bananna|

Dr Bizzaro

2005-01-21, 11:59 AM

|thumb

Jim

2005-01-21, 12:11 PM

Who was that big award site in 97 or so? I won it one day & sat around & watched my stats go thru the roof :)

Early 97, I used to give out the James And Victoria Award of Excellence. The award winners didn't get much traffic from me but I did get a whole lot from them. :)

Red

2005-01-21, 01:05 PM

RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW.

YOU are the "UPS"! Congrats!

All the best and happiness in your marriage, and affiliate program!

See, your further proof, us early gen webmasters still have alot of options still available...

Affiliate programs are fun, I really enjoy the web hamsters, I get to either *spank them or *hug* them, they are all like my kids! |bananna|

Thanks Lee. It just goes to prove that life didn't end last month when I turned 50 like I was afraid it would. Though a 34 year old fiance' keeps me very young. ;)

Verbal

2005-01-21, 01:08 PM

Any old timers around?

I remember in early 1997 putting up my first adult site on the free server space my college gave students to use lol. All of the pictures were basically taken from picposts like PornyPics. Sponsors were paying like 10 cents per click then! So we would use the infamous "Next Page" blind link and would just site there reloading our stats every few minutes watching the money column go up. We made around $700 our very first month and it seemed sort of surreal. There was just so much easy traffic for everyone then that it was actually difficult to not make good money. :)

Eventually the college asked me to take down the site and I had to learn about getting a server and my own domain name, and actually paying for content, which was a big expensive commitment back then! Soon AVS became huge and I did that for many years. AdultCheck and PornoPass put me through college lol. :)

Do any of you guys still have your original sites or old banners?

lucid1

2005-01-21, 01:22 PM

does missing pic posts make you an old timer? |rasta|

when I came on in 97, I was getting paid mad cash from gamma's click program at $.05 a click, all from picposts.

you dont have to miss picposts, I have one, http://realpicpost.com it isnt as big as um.. slutpost or sexypost were, or even pussyboard, but given time... heh... ok no foolin it will never be as big again, but there are still people new to the internet that like picposts because they dont know they can get more free content elsewhere. They are more likely to buy, but there are less of them....

sorry for the ramble, but I miss picposts too!

BlueQuartz

2005-01-21, 03:43 PM