Why don't more sponsors make free sites???

[dareutwo]

I gave up on Tgp's long ago.
TPG traffic may be large, but conversions and retainment suck, and we're supposed to be in this together on partnership right?

Why don't more sponsors make free sites?

If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply!

[Greenguy]

We've touched on this a couple times in the past - one big reason is that, like you said, us Link List owners don't have the big numbers that TGP's have & thus, we sorta overlooked :(

Another thing that I do hate is that some of the ones that do decide to do Hosted Free Sites have their current Hosted Gallery designer make them & they are not what Link Lists owners want to list.

[Cleo]

I wish more did too.

I also wish that a few of them that do would make ones that I can actually use.

[dareutwo]

We've touched on this a couple times in the past

Yeah, sorry about that, I've been away for just about a year :(

I am listing nearly ALL sponsors you have listed in the GG and Jim sponsors area. Which is very cool.
If I need to fill a category, it only takes seconds. (recips or not - it fills the category)

As far as the traffic numbers?
I realize that.
But hey, have at it sponsors, and when they close down your accounts for chargebacks, don't look at me :)

[2mmy]

Soon there will be a sponsor with freesites in niches where there isnt nearly any ;)

[grzepa]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Link List owners don't have the big numbers that TGP's have & thus, we sorta overlooked :(


Yes, but you've got BIG SERPS, that are surely worth the effort of bulding some listable hosted free sites, I think.

[stuveltje]

well you can make nic quick free sites of the free hosted galleries i like that|violin|

[Cleo]

Originally posted by stuveltje
well you can make nic quick free sites of the free hosted galleries i like that|violin|
|banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

[Greenguy]

Cleo - I could be wrong, but I think stuveltje was saying that the sponsor could easily take their existing HG's & throw warning & main pages in front of the to make HFS's :)

[stuveltje]

yep thats what i ment so cleo dont hit me right away will ya!!!
bad cleo , maybe you think i am stupid .but believe me i am not!!!
i am just chinese this late i am already from 4.30 thi morning on the net and its now 11.50 evening here|skull|

[Cleo]

Oh ok, I she meant for us to take two HG and make a free site out of them.

But still I've seen sponsors that look like they have taken two random galleries and have thrown them together for a free site. :(

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Cleo
Oh ok, I she meant for us to take two HG and make a free site out of them.

But still I've seen sponsors that look like they have taken two random galleries and have thrown them together for a free site. :( i agre with that and i dont like that either.

[Cleo]

Sponsors should try writing an unique title and description for ever site that they make. Only when you do this do you understand how important it is to give the site a theme.

It is also nice to put this on the site itself as it helps with the SEs.

It is also nice and makes things easier for us adding them in.

[stuveltje]

i have to say the ready tgps or tpgs what ever, i like the most, i put them in frames and non frames and the ses likes that even build an pr on them, its an easy fake tgp hub whitout worring about updating that|violin| i am more on the look for ready stuff at sponsors .....i dont have time to build free sites and i dont like to build free sites anymore my last one was months ago already

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Cleo
I wish more did too.

I also wish that a few of them that do would make ones that I can actually use.

So, you could tell us (submitters) to take a hike, right?

;)

[caringneo]

Originally posted by Cleo
Sponsors should try writing an unique title and description for ever site that they make. Only when you do this do you understand how important it is to give the site a theme.



That explains why there are few sponsors with hosted freesites.

[Ramster]

A site title and a theme are need for sure. Many use a theme but you can't find a title anywhere, just flashing graphics.

[Keyser Soze]

I wrote a sponsor and asked if they were interested in getting some free sites made for them for a very low price but they weren´t interested.
This is a sponsor that use a lot of money on advertising if they had used a little of that to make up some free sites they could have had most link list owners sign up for their program.

[dareutwo]

Hmmmm - Interesting to say the least.

So, whack them with crap traffic, that apparently is what a majority of sponsors want.

All along I was a fool to believe that filtered and targetted SE traffic produced more $$ per click, my bad.

Off to burn some bandwidth..... j/k.

[Greenguy]

A lot of traffic makes my penis seem bigger :D

[ecchi]

OK, as a sponsor I have the answer to the original question ("Why don't more sponsors make free sites? If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply"). I think answering is going to make me unpopular, but you wanted to know.

I started to create free sites for my affiliates to use about a year ago, then a thought crossed my mind "Why am I doing this ? " If I supply the content, create the sites and host them for for my affiliates then why the**** do I need to pay them any commission? In fact why do I need them at all? I am doing all the work.

Short answer to your question, you want to make some money, you do some work.

Jeez

[dareutwo]

ecchi-

Exactly that - thank you, and remind me not to sign up for your programs.

Looks like enough said here.

[dareutwo]

Short answer to your question, you want to make some money, you do some work

That's fine, and when you get to over 500,000 free site reviews, give me a call. We can do lunch.

[Mateusz]

Originally posted by ecchi
I started to create free sites for my affiliates to use about a year ago, then a thought crossed my mind "Why am I doing this ?" If I supply the content, create the sites and host them for for my affiliates then why the**** do I need to pay them any commission? In fact why do I need them at all? Becouse you need traffic they got to sell your site? |couch|
I belive it's also your buisiness to make those free sites...

[Ramster]

Originally posted by ecchi
OK, as a sponsor I have the answer to the original question ("Why don't more sponsors make free sites? If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply"). I think answering is going to make me unpopular, but you wanted to know.

I started to create free sites for my affiliates to use about a year ago, then a thought crossed my mind "Why am I doing this ? " If I supply the content, create the sites and host them for for my affiliates then why the**** do I need to pay them any commission? In fact why do I need them at all? I am doing all the work.

Short answer to your question, you want to make some money, you do some work.

Jeez

That doesn't make sense. The same can be said about Hosted Galleries.

Hosted Galleries are more popular because there is more traffic. That's the simple anwser.

[Greenguy]

ecchi - does your program offer Hosted Galleries?

[Cleo]

Originally posted by ecchi
In fact why do I need them at all?
No traffic for you!

[Far-L]

We just launched the new version of Homegrown Cash ( http://affiliates.homegrownvideo.com/HG_index.php) using the X3 Partnersoft affiliate software.

We are certainly open to hosting free sites for any one that wants to work with us. Drop Carol at homegrownvideo.com a message and she will help get you set up with content, text, etc.

[Carol]

Originally posted by Far-L
We just launched the new version of Homegrown Cash ( http://affiliates.homegrownvideo.com/HG_index.php) using the X3 Partnersoft affiliate software.

We are certainly open to hosting free sites for any one that wants to work with us. Drop Carol at homegrownvideo.com a message and she will help get you set up with content, text, etc.

I am also reachable through various messengers

ICQ - 112519354

AIM - tynidncr

MSN - tynidncr@hotmail.com

Yahoo - tynidncr68

[Greenguy]

Far-L - there's a differance between hosting free sites for people & offering Hosted Free Sites.

Like Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners, Hosted Free Sites are for Link List owners. What you're tlaking about is setting up webmasters with free hosting which, while it is a good idea in theory, is sorta frowned upon by Link Lists & TGP's :(

[xxxjay]

OCCash (www.occash.com) has free hosted sites. I would have made them before the galleries actually, but I have a LL background and not just TGP.

It seems like a lot of people are moving back to LL traffic - it is way better.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by xxxjay
OCCash (www.occash.com) has free hosted sites. I think most of us know that already :D

[Carol]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Far-L - there's a differance between hosting free sites for people & offering Hosted Free Sites.

Like Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners, Hosted Free Sites are for Link List owners. What you're tlaking about is setting up webmasters with free hosting which, while it is a good idea in theory, is sorta frowned upon by Link Lists & TGP's :(

Not to sound ignorant but what is the logic behind the frowning?

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by Carol
Not to sound ignorant but what is the logic behind the frowning? Hosting "acquired" for free is treated that way by webmasters.. eg: they dont care about it..

Therefore sites go missing/404/403/302 etc with monotonous regularity. That's bad for LL's

DD

[Carol]

Originally posted by DangerDave
Hosting "acquired" for free is treated that way by webmasters.. eg: they dont care about it..

Therefore sites go missing/404/403/302 etc with monotonous regularity. That's bad for LL's

DD

very good point I hadnt thought of that.

Logic being they dont pay for it why the hell bother maintaining it as it should be maintained?

[FiReC]

we make and will continue to make hosted free sites for all our sites now and in the future. they are a great way to generate traffic! oh yea cleo, they all have unique titles and descriptions in easy cut and paste format! :)

[xxxjay]

Originally posted by Greenguy
I think most of us know that already :D

LOL - really my point was: if it was up to me I would have made the free sites first. I'm not a tgp guy.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Carol
Logic being they dont pay for it why the hell bother maintaining it as it should be maintained? Another problem is - and I know that this is NOT something that HG would do - is that some free hosts are less than honest with the webmasters using their servers as far as redirects & dialers & whatnot.

So, a few years back, after getting sick of webmasters that didn;t care & free hosts that were less than honest, a lot of sites banned them all, regardless of who was involved. One bad apple......

[Far-L]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Far-L - there's a differance between hosting free sites for people & offering Hosted Free Sites.

Like Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners, Hosted Free Sites are for Link List owners. What you're tlaking about is setting up webmasters with free hosting which, while it is a good idea in theory, is sorta frowned upon by Link Lists & TGP's :(

Actually... no misunderstanding. While we will host free sites and NOT do what other programs typically do with redirects etc., we don't expect it catch on until our reputation merits it. However, in the mean time, we will also work with reputable free site webmasters that want content to build sites to host wherever they want.

Best of both worlds.

[dareutwo]

Maybe we should differentiate between Free Hosted and Free Sites vs Host your own free sites.
I don't have a problem hosting the sites, just wish it was far easier to get them.

ie... if you're an amatuer site. I simply can't build any old free site with other amateur content if I don't know it's actually inside your site. (well ok, you can, but chargebacks are a bitch)

It would be a whole lot easier if the Sponsor makes however many free sites you want out there and put them in a zip file someplace.
I'll download the zip, search and replace link codes, and put it up.
Hope this makes more sense for some.

[Far-L]

Originally posted by dareutwo
Maybe we should differentiate between Free Hosted and Free Sites vs Host your own free sites.
I don't have a problem hosting the sites, just wish it was far easier to get them.

ie... if you're an amatuer site. I simply can't build any old free site with other amateur content if I don't know it's actually inside your site. (well ok, you can, but chargebacks are a bitch)

It would be a whole lot easier if the Sponsor makes however many free sites you want out there and put them in a zip file someplace.
I'll download the zip, search and replace link codes, and put it up.
Hope this makes more sense for some.

That does make sense and i think it is a great idea.

In our case, we are only going to allow webmasters to use our content to promote our site. We absolutely do not want other content being used to market us and we will discourage that at all times. We have 20 years plus of our own exclusive stuff to draw from. The difference between us and others becomes clear to surfers quickly.

[chilihost]

hunkmoney (http://www.hunkmoney.com) has a few hosted free sites already and I will make you a promise that we will get more online!

cheers,
Luke

[[BV]]

I'm working on them as fast as I can! |peace|

[john0pr0n0]

Some good points. Am i the only web master who thinks forced ujc traffic from tgp's is absolute rubbish?

I seem to be..

[Mishi]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Some good points. Am i the only web master who thinks forced ujc traffic from tgp's is absolute rubbish?

I seem to be..

You seem to be the only person on this board who's even remotely concerned with "forced ujc traffic".

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Some good points. Am i the only web master who thinks forced ujc traffic from tgp's is absolute rubbish?

I seem to be.. Hell no - I'm on that bandwagon too! :D

[SEO_Konsul]

can any body show sponsors with good free hosted free sites? and also show what is the difference to no good ones?

[graphicdude]

After talking with a bunch of Link List Owners at a conference, we built up 50+ Hosted Free Sites.

Now they have been available for awhile, I am surprised at how few Link List owners have actually listed any of them...

We know they convert, cause some green person did well enough with them to get a $1,000 Bonus from us
Post (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14723) :)

Many of the very Link List owners that advised us to build them, don't link to them?!?!?

http://www.howigotrich.com/hosted_freesites.htm

A free site submitter could do well with these too since they are so underexposed.

Currently, we get a much better ROI on other promotional efforts. But, we are building a second batch of Hosted Free Sites with even more input from Link List owners. Hope they get listed in more places than the current Hosted Free Sites.

:(

[Fonz]

Originally posted by graphicdude
After talking with a bunch of Link List Owners at a conference, we built up 50+ Hosted Free Sites.

Now they have been available for awhile, I am surprised at how few Link List owners have actually listed any of them...

We know they convert, cause some green person did well enough with them to get a $1,000 Bonus from us
Post (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14723) :)

Many of the very Link List owners that advised us to build them, don't link to them?!?!?

http://www.howigotrich.com/hosted_freesites.htm

A free site submitter could do well with these too since they are so underexposed.

Currently, we get a much better ROI on other promotional efforts. But, we are building a second batch of Hosted Free Sites with even more input from Link List owners. Hope they get listed in more places than the current Hosted Free Sites.

:(
I think I've listed them all and waiting for new ones to come out :D

[Ramster]

Originally posted by SEO_Konsul
can any body show sponsors with good free hosted free sites? and also show what is the difference to no good ones?

Here a few hosted free sites as samples:

http://www.tampabukkake.com/freesite/008/?ccbill=574284
http://www.bustycafe.net/freesites/cassandra-huge-tits/index.php?id=100031
http://www.littlethumbs.com/free/janelle/teen-nubiles/?coupon=772113
http://freesites.fetishhitsgallery.com/ab/4/?t1/pps=fhniceporn
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/naturalredhead/?808436

[Cleo]

Originally posted by Ramster
[B]Here a few hosted free sites as samples:
http://freesites.fetishhitsgallery.com/ab/4/?t1/pps=fhniceporn

I would not list that one with the Enter link going right to the sponsor. :(

[Kezza]

Originally posted by graphicdude
After talking with a bunch of Link List Owners at a conference, we built up 50+ Hosted Free Sites.

Now they have been available for awhile, I am surprised at how few Link List owners have actually listed any of them...

We know they convert, cause some green person did well enough with them to get a $1,000 Bonus from us
Post (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14723) :)

Many of the very Link List owners that advised us to build them, don't link to them?!?!?

http://www.howigotrich.com/hosted_freesites.htm

A free site submitter could do well with these too since they are so underexposed.

Currently, we get a much better ROI on other promotional efforts. But, we are building a second batch of Hosted Free Sites with even more input from Link List owners. Hope they get listed in more places than the current Hosted Free Sites.

:(

Well for me it has been a happy relationship.. no sex... no marriage commitments.. but a jolly nice cheque each month... and golly.....a great bonus...

Cheers guys!!! |shake| Nice free sites that work well :)

[Celine]

Yes, we had several discussions about that these past months...
Following your comments, we did built some free sites...
We decided to implement a zip & a hosted version so that we match at best our affiliate needs...

http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids=YOUR_ID&ref=&t=1&title=YourWebSite
http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids=YOUR_ID&ref=&t=2&title=YourWebSite
http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids=YOUR_ID&ref=&t=3&title=YourWebSite
(Change "YourWebSite" for a name of your choice)

They are done in 3 pages:
- disclaimer
- one main page with all models (by letters)
- one page per model with 2 gallery links on it (either 2 VirtuaGirl2 photo galleries or 1 VirtuaGirl2 photo gallery + 1 OneGirladay Video gallery when available) or a direct link to the site.

Accessible here (http://www.totemcash.com/free/tools.php?product=1&page=&ad=YOUR_ID) !

Any suggestions?
Cheers

[Greenguy]

Celine - I'm not sure who built those for you, but they are grossly misinformed as those are NOT what Link Lists define as "free sites"

A Free Site, in it's most basic form, is a warning page followed by a main page that links to 2 galleries with 10 pics in each. Some Free Sites have 3 galleries, some have more then 10 pics per page, but none look like the ones you posted :(

Here's a couple examples of what I feel are decent Hosted Free Sites:

http://sammy4u.com/tgp/new/freesites/014bg/index.php?nats=NDc6NDox - from Sammy Smack (http://www.sammysmack.com/track/NDc6NToy/)
http://sites.smoothkittens.com/hfs/amateur-pussy-shavers/?blamo - from Outback Cash (http://www9.outbackcash.com/outback,oc,blamo.html)
http://www.bustycafe.net/freesites/cassandra-huge-tits/index.php?id=100170 - from NS Cash (http://nscash.com/mpa2/wmreg/hit.php?w=100170)
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/busty_redhead/busty_redhead.php?256287 - from Kat Cash (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=910211&PA=256287&HTML=http://www.katcash.com)
http://www.phoenixxxblaque.com/freesite/004/?ccbill=335857 - from How I Got Rich (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=912726-0000&PA=335857&HTML=http://www.howigotrich.com/webmaster_signup.htm)
http://foxy-angel-shemale-promotions.com/hostedsites/site13/index.php?657466 - from Foxy Angel (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=913226-0003&PA=657466&HTML=http://foxy-angel.com/webmasters/)
http://www.forthegirls.com/s04/s09/index.html?501671 - from Purple Dollars (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671&HTML=http://www.purpledollars.com/)
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites/amateur_facial_jenny/amateur-facial-jenny.html?581222 - from AF Dollars (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=917543-0000&PA=581222&HTML=http://afdollars.com)

There's a lot more, but that will give you an idea of what Link List owners are looking for :)

[Celine]

Thanks Greenguy !
Link lists will not list them, you think?
In fact, we just need to get the warning page link to each model page (http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids=YOUR_ID&ref=&t=1&letter=A&model=aimee_sweet&title=YourWebSite) that has 2 galleries each... so we get warning + main page with link to 2 galleries...

Thanks!

[Greenguy]

Yes, a warning page in front of http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids=YOUR_ID&ref=&t=1&letter=A&model=aimee_sweet&title=YourWebSite would be good. But make it a unique warning page - one that fits with the pics of the model & the color scheme of the site.

And get rid of the links that open in new windows - most of us don't allow those :(

[gideon]

I noticed that no one ever mentions Sweet Money. They have new HFS all the time. I know cause I build some of them.

here is a full listing of the ones currently available

http://895.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://896.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://897.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://898.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://899.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://900.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://916.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://930.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://943.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://946.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://901.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://917.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://931.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://933.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://947.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://903.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://919.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://922.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://935.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://949.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://968.IJC.com/?r=your-code
http://904.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://920.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://923.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://936.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://950.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://905.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://921.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://924.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://937.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://951.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://906.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://911.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://925.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://938.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://952.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://907.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://912.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://926.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://939.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://953.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://908.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://913.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://927.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://940.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://954.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://909.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://914.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://928.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://941.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://944.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://977.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://910.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://915.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://929.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://942.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://945.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://902.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://918.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://932.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://934.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://948.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://975.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code

[Mateusz]

Originally posted by gideon
I noticed that no one ever mentions Sweet Money. They have new HFS all the time. I know cause I build some of them. Maybe becouse of adult content (in fact another link to your site) on 'leave' link |couch|

[gideon]

What are you talking about? I am not affiliated with Sweet Money so there is no "leave" link to my site.. whatever that means. Maybe something was lost in translation..

I just meant they were good sites for link lists... not sure what you are shooting for with your off the wall comment

[Mateusz]

Ok, pardon me.. I mean there is their (adult) page linked to exit button. Don't you really see nothing unnormal in this? So why the hell they placing '*** WARNING ***' there?

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by gideon
I noticed that no one ever mentions Sweet Money. There's a lot of programs that have HFS that are not mentioned in this thread - so why :)

& there really was no need to post a list of their sites :D

[gideon]

Yeah I thought about not posting them all but then I thought I may get even more grief by just posting a link to a page with the list. Sorry about that .. I tried to edit the post to get rid of the list but its past the 60minute limit.

Peace
- Gideon

[gideon]

Mateusz - You are correct my apologies for not understanding. I brought the subject up to Sweet Money and I am awaiting their reply. The "exit" link should never lead to another pron related site in my opion. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

|waves|

- Gideon

[DangerDave]

Someone needs to tell Sweet Money to drop the "leave" links.... linking them to the promoted site sucks..;(

DD

[maxsweet]

Hey guys - gideon pointed me to this thread. I totally understand what you mean about our free sites.
When they were built the exit link was going to google but it seems our programmer
decided its better this way without knowing the business lol

They will be fixed today. One questions though:

Better to link the exit link to google or to leave it out altogether?

thx for the feedback!

[Porn Meister]

I would leave it out altogether, BUT tell them to press their BACK button NOW if they dont agree to your terms.

2 wee lil cents.

[LeeNoga]

We have them [see sig] , free hosted sites and I do not know if they suck or not they were around before Q and I were employed a month ago...but new ones are coming..

If they do suck, where did we error, so we can do next lot CORRECTLY from this point forward.

GG, are you using our free hosted sites? Your conversions are nice, BTW...considering...

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by LeeNoga
If they do suck, where did we error, so we can do next lot CORRECTLY from this point forward. Too many graphics ( I saw 71 images load on one of the pages)

Not enough sales text (actualy, there's basicaly no sales text)

Only 8 pics per page & 16 for the site (most Link Lists require 10/20)

No title's or theme's for the sites (they help a lot on the Free Site game)

Vid caps (most suck as far as quality)

No, I'm not using them :D

[LeeNoga]

GG, thank-you DO much for the feedback because I needed an expert to go over the problems.

XBang just hired a Chief Designer inhouse who stats Feb 2nd who has alot of experience in adult to manage the design team.

The promo tools were done way before they hired Q and myself on board.

What is wonderful about XBang, is they have heavily resourced and can correct things once identified...they spare NO expense.

Your punchlist was exactly what we needed ! XBang wants things done 110% the way webmasters want them..and they want to oveload the webmaster with promo tools...

THANK-YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Hee Hee*, once XBang gets a couple of months under the feet, we will all giggle about this convo...there is no question XBang is gonna be a Top 5 preferred sponsor once they work out their launch kinks.

I am sorry you had to make your own promo tools for us but your converting nicely.

Is there a good place I can get a sample to submit to the design dept?

[Greenguy]

You know, I was a little scared about ripping the HFS's apart like that, but I knew you'd want to know why they sucked :D

I posted some examples of what I think are good HFS's above, but here they are again :)

Originally posted by Greenguy
Here's a couple examples of what I feel are decent Hosted Free Sites:

http://sammy4u.com/tgp/new/freesites/014bg/index.php?nats=NDc6NDox - from Sammy Smack (http://www.sammysmack.com/track/NDc6NToy/)
http://sites.smoothkittens.com/hfs/amateur-pussy-shavers/?blamo - from Outback Cash (http://www9.outbackcash.com/outback,oc,blamo.html)
http://www.bustycafe.net/freesites/cassandra-huge-tits/index.php?id=100170 - from NS Cash (http://nscash.com/mpa2/wmreg/hit.php?w=100170)
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/busty_redhead/busty_redhead.php?256287 - from Kat Cash (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=910211&PA=256287&HTML=http://www.katcash.com)
http://www.phoenixxxblaque.com/freesite/004/?ccbill=335857 - from How I Got Rich (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=912726-0000&PA=335857&HTML=http://www.howigotrich.com/webmaster_signup.htm)
http://foxy-angel-shemale-promotions.com/hostedsites/site13/index.php?657466 - from Foxy Angel (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=913226-0003&PA=657466&HTML=http://foxy-angel.com/webmasters/)
http://www.forthegirls.com/s04/s09/index.html?501671 - from Purple Dollars (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671&HTML=http://www.purpledollars.com/)
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites/amateur_facial_jenny/amateur-facial-jenny.html?581222 - from AF Dollars (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=917543-0000&PA=581222&HTML=http://afdollars.com)

[docholly]

Chop has some nice ones too:

http://chopsmiths.com/rosetara01/index.php?865141

Well organized by dates and good layouts easy navigation..

plus his content isn't overused.. so there is great variety.

|rasta|

[LeeNoga]

Originally posted by Greenguy
You know, I was a little scared about ripping the HFS's apart like that, but I knew you'd want to know why they sucked :D


Oh GG, heaven no do not ever be scared to tell it how it is. I took the whole thing as very valuable information and already got a response from our design team and the owner of XBang. They REALLY appreciated this feedback and thank-you so very much.

This is what they needed, I have NO idea who advised them on how to do the ones they did but clearly the advice left alot to be desired.

XBang, is gonna jump on this feedback and come back with promo tools that will get your nod!

If we do not work together what kind of relationship would we have? If you are not given the promo tools that work, we have let you down, and thats not the business we are in.

We can fix our promo tools but we cannot fix broken relationships, and we value everyones business and will always fulfill requests if it makes a webmaster's job easier and more profitable.

I guarantee XBang gonna jump on the new free hosted site issues, ASAP now that they have excellent guidance from the board full of Masters!

THANK-YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank-you to all those that showed us more examples. The investment in us will be worth it to you :-)

[Greenguy]

If you want us to review a few test sites, just post'em & the Link List owners around here will be quick to make snide comments :D

[LeeNoga]

If you want us to review a few test sites, just post'em & the Link List owners around here will be quick to make snide comments :D

Our company is still buzzing with all the great feedback on the free sites.

Now, we need somebody to tear apart our Hosted Galleries in the same fashion .

Any TGP or MGP webmasters around??

[MrMaryLou]

Our company is still buzzing with all the great feedback on the free sites.

Now, we need somebody to tear apart our Hosted Galleries in the same fashion .

Any TGP or MGP webmasters around??
Just taking a peek at them they all are off center :( and have a weak if any sales text :(

[docholly]

Our company is still buzzing with all the great feedback on the free sites.

Now, we need somebody to tear apart our Hosted Galleries in the same fashion .

Any TGP or MGP webmasters around??

You could always join us at OTB on Saturday.. MML dispenses extremely valuable information.. |pink not to mention all the witty commentary!!

[Chop Smith]

Dare,

I have restrained myself from replying to this tread, because I realize that my reply could be viewed as spammy. Since I think I have a couple of points that have not been addressed, I am going to take a chance of being spanked.

I gave up on Tgp's long ago. TPG traffic may be large, but conversions and retainment suck, and we're supposed to be in this together on partnership right?
I have got numbers showing the downhill spiral of the quality of TGP traffic started at least three years back. The only correlation that I can draw is that it started downhill when TGPs' were forced into listing only preferred submitters. This is just an observation and might not have a damn thing to do with it.

Why don't more sponsors make free sites?
Part of it is the time involved in building a free site or the cost since our time is really our money. Several things go into this:
Design
I could probably deliver you 50 new galleries by morning and guarantee that they would all look somewhat different. When you dealing with 1 page, you can template the hell out of it, regardless if it is .php or .html. Also, I think that TGP owners are more tolerant of templates. On the opposite, LL owners are less tolerant of templates. And it is a fact that there is not that many ways to do a warning page and main page. It is made easier if the sponsor resorts to a graphical design, but then most of the better LL frowns on this type of design. It is a hard call for the sponsor so I think most of your larger sponsors just say to hell with it and end up missing the second best traffic to there tour, assuming that SE would be the best.
Coding
After you have the promo designed (html) then you have got to deal with passing the affiliate code (php). Dealing with a one-page gallery, it is a simple matter. Dealing with four pages, it is more difficult. I don't think it is intentional, but if you follow the code thru on some free hosted sites you will find that the reference to your affiliate code is lost. To prove this you might have to hit your back button several times and do some stupid moves that surfers do. Honestly, regardless of what anyone says capturing the QUERY_STRING on the entry page is not enough. It has got to be done on all four pages and for every link, if you are using php, you have got to have at least three lines of code. God knows, I wish someone could prove me wrong on this but if you are going to be safe with your php code, there is no easy way. Finally, on this point some of us small operators value link list traffic, the last thing we would want is to piss an owner off or to be perceived as cheating the LL owner out of his traffic.

The shit sticks theory.
I'm borrowing this theory from a person that I value his opinion much and regardless of the degree of success I have in this business I will always be appreciative of his support and help. His theory goes something like "if you throw enough shit on the wall some is bound to stick." IMO most of the "successful sponsors" subscribe to this theory. Therefore, since they are well established they will keep throwing it by using the easiest method that happens to be hosted free galleries.


It would be a whole lot easier if the Sponsor makes however many free sites you want out there and put them in a zip file someplace. I'll download the zip, search and replace link codes, and put it up.
I am not sure that you are quite correct here or perhaps I misunderstood you. If you are correct, I damn sure want to do it. But if you are referring to your link list, why would you want to waste your time and pay for the bw. Whereas if you use the FHS, the sponsor is pays for the bandwidth. I think it would be doing a submitter an injustice if a sponsored zipped a FHS, the submitter just changes the link code and submits it just to have it rejected because the LL is already listing the original FHS.

I have missed something here, haven't I?


Straying off the subject of your thread somewhat, I want to share an excerpt from my business plan that was written close to two years ago, but I think it holds true today. In the future; like TGPs, I believe that there will be very few link list accepting submissions. I think that most will be using hosted free-sites. At the present time there are very few sponsors offering hosted free-sites while most are providing hosted galleries. Hence, I believe that even the big link list owners would prefer listing quality hosted free sites from someone that they trust and earn revenue from the listing as opposed to listing sites from a submitter. Therefore, the plan will be to build one hosted free site and one hosted gallery each day for each site Now I realize that there could be several reasons for me missing the boat here - shitty designs, inability to properly convert, the use of ccBill, etc., but I think it would benefit some of us "small timers" to have your constructive comments.

[DangerDave]

Nice post Chop

DD

[ClickBuster]

I will skip the next 80-90 replies and just add quickly that you should be thankful for the *free site* as a promotion fact. I think that, if free sites get as popular as TGPs the bulk traffic will increase, but the level of quality traffic will drop down quickly as well. At least I think so, while free site building is a good way to do quality advertisming, I don't think that having more of these ready-2-submit free sites is a really good idea.

[ClickBuster]

Coding
After you have the promo designed (html) then you have got to deal with passing the affiliate code (php). Dealing with a one-page gallery, it is a simple matter. Dealing with four pages, it is more difficult. I don't think it is intentional, but if you follow the code thru on some free hosted sites you will find that the reference to your affiliate code is lost. To prove this you might have to hit your back button several times and do some stupid moves that surfers do. Honestly, regardless of what anyone says capturing the QUERY_STRING on the entry page is not enough. It has got to be done on all four pages and for every link, if you are using php, you have got to have at least three lines of code. God knows, I wish someone could prove me wrong on this but if you are going to be safe with your php code, there is no easy way. Finally, on this point some of us small operators value link list traffic, the last thing we would want is to piss an owner off or to be perceived as cheating the LL owner out of his traffic.

I just want to add something to this fine pice of writing. Here's a little example of a possible linkcode for hosted free site, in order to track the aff ID:

sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/
sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/main.html
sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/gallery1.html

You can use mod_rewrite and you keep the affiliate ID in the URL, your whole problem is solved and that is not even coding.

Also, miding the fact that there're such things as cookies and sessions (sessions require cookies, but they can be loaded thru a GET/POST variable that could be also taken from the URL via mod_rewrite), passing thru a single page will solve your tracking problem.

As a conclusion I will say that most probably, free sites are rarely provided by sponsors, because of the tons of restrictions of different LLs (at least that's the way I see it). Also lets not forget the fact that FHG are built times quicker than HFS (hosted free sites), which leads to the simple calculation - less time, more FHG, more traffic. I think that's the way a sponsor owner will look at it, also isn't it true that most of the webmasters are doing galleries, but not free sites? Again, more FHG submitters than HFS submitters...

It seems that time is the main reason there're less HFS provided by sponsors. FHG are added sometimes 10 per week, in a month that is 40 in a year total of 520 FHG, 2'000'000 uniques each for the gallery's life time with conversion ratio (FHG => paysite) about 1:1000, that will lead to 2k uniques per gallery. On 520 galleries that is 1'040'000 and that number kills.

Maybe these numbers are big for many of the sponsors out there, but they may also be pretty small for the ones that can afford to build so many FHG. And that is quick traffic - it comes almost after publishing the new gallery, no submissions, nothing - just build it, publish it and they will come.

Huh, my reply is too long isn't it :)

[Greenguy]

...I don't think that having more of these ready-2-submit free sites is a really good idea.I don't think there are a lof of people on this board that want them either :D

Hosted Free Sites are for Links Lists just as Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners. I'm sure that people also use both on hub pages & whatnot.

Free Sites and Galleries that sponsors put online for the webmaster to download & then upload to their own server is just a bad idea, because then they will start to submit those Free Sites & Galleries to Link Lists & TGP's & the reviewers for each will get very sick of seeing the sites & galleries over & over & over & next thing you know, the sponsor and/or submitter is banned.

[[BV]]

I'd like to get some feedback on a couple Movie FHS before I start on more. I think they look pretty good but I've never built a free site in my life before these.

http://sites.bikinivoyeur.com/wild_girls_spring_break/?affilid=518

http://sites.nudebeachmovies.com/topless_beach_babes/?affilid=518

Good & Bad, let me know! |peace|

BV

[Greenguy]

BV - those look fine to me, with the exception that it's Hosted Free Sites or HFS & not Free Hosted Sites :D

[[BV]]

BV - those look fine to me, with the exception that it's Hosted Free Sites or HFS & not Free Hosted Sites :D

Cool, but who invented that acronym?

I think we are both wrong. lol

Providing galleries are galleries and free sites are free sites then FHG is to FHFS as Free Hosted Gallery is to Free Hosted Free Site. Not FHS or HFS, but I really don't care what we call them as long as they get used. |headbang|

[Mishi]

']Cool, but who invented that acronym?

I think we are both wrong. lol

Providing galleries are galleries and free sites are free sites then FHG is to FHFS as Free Hosted Gallery is to Free Hosted Free Site. Not FHS or HFS, but I really don't care what we call them as long as they get used. |headbang|

No no no, it's HFS and HFG - FHG and FHS are very different things. I think. I've now completely lost track of all acronyms. |yawn|

[Nickname]

Its FHG and HFS!

Ahh man it seems im gonna have to start a afiliate program that build good old fashioned free sites with loads of promo text and banners in different colors and :D

[Greenguy]

When you put the word "free" in front of the word "host" or some variation of it, you get bells & whistles going off & people tend to think it's "free hosting" which it's not.

It's a Free Site that the sponsor is hosting, thus it's a Hosted Free Site.

[Phoenix]

ours will be ready soon...id love to get feedback from people on this board before we release them to everyone

[Greenguy]

Phoenix - post them here & we'll give you some honest feedback :)

[dareutwo]

Sorry haven't been here in a bit-
Chop - that is exactly what I'm looking for.
IE... I have 10 lesbian links ready to list, I'd like 15.
What to do??
Hmm.. Chop's has 10 ready to download, change codes, upload.
BW is cheap, and the time spent may be 30 minutes.
I don't care about that.

Just build a free site that will conform to all the regular LL rules, and let us pick and take as we need.

[andymike]

I’m not sure what you want in free sites and what you promote...but we, as a sponsor, did build a massive all gay award-winning free site that has tons of converting gay traffic.

Before I became the marketing manager of the company I was very surprised and in love with the traffic and the conversions from it. (I’m still getting checks from sites I made 6 months ago.)

As of Jan 1st, there where 60,000 registered users, 45,000 that re-log in and actively use our free site.

You’re welcome to check it out. Our webmaster's area: http://www.justusboys.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi
Surfer area: http://www.justusboys.com/



I gave up on Tgp's long ago.
TPG traffic may be large, but conversions and retainment suck, and we're supposed to be in this together on partnership right?

Why don't more sponsors make free sites?

If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply!

[Greenguy]

andymike - it's been explained a couple times already in this thread - LOL - but it is a long thread, so I'll sum it up :)

A Free Site, in it's most basic form, is a warning page that leads to a main page that leads to 2 gallery pages with 10 pics on them.

So, if you have Hosted Galleries, you're pretty much 1/2 way there :)

[Meat]

I gave up on Tgp's long ago.
TPG traffic may be large, but conversions and retainment suck, and we're supposed to be in this together on partnership right?

Why don't more sponsors make free sites?

If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply!


LOL, well how about this, why dont sponsors make all the sites and then close down there programs to webmasters? If they are making sites then why do they need a webmaster?

Seems to me webmasters are to lazy and dont want to do any work or spend any money trying to build there businesses these days.

gimme gimme gimme

Webmaster means u work for yourself and that means you should allocate time in your day to build sites and build your business up and stop relying on everyone else to do all your work

[Greenguy]

Meat - I see NetpondCash has a lot of hosted galleries & feee sites - will you be removing them now? |couch|

:D

[Meat]

LOL no we wont Greeny:) That was me with my sponsor hat

We will try and add lots of content for webmasters and help them as much as possible:) Putting my webmaster hat on now:)

Not sure if im allowed to do this but here is a clip from one of our sites we will launch soon.

http://fetters.premiumratedcontent.com/alicia.wmv

Its very extreme and i will make sure we have plenty of free sites for webmasters to use.

[Ramster]

I just don't get it. What do sponsors say build your own free sites yet they ALL offer TGP galleries? It the same frigin thing. You could tell webmasters to build your own damn galleries. Same thing!!!

[Chop Smith]

Sorry haven't been here in a bit-
Chop - that is exactly what I'm looking for.
IE... I have 10 lesbian links ready to list, I'd like 15.
What to do??
Hmm.. Chop's has 10 ready to download, change codes, upload.
BW is cheap, and the time spent may be 30 minutes.
I don't care about that.

Just build a free site that will conform to all the regular LL rules, and let us pick and take as we need.

This is an example and not spam. I am using my little program in the example, but most sponsors offering HFS have or soon will have a similar download tool .

So you need five lesbian sites for Mark's-Links, you could go to http://chopscash.com/affiliates/hosted/ , set up your query in the form and receive a downloadable pipe delimited file to import into your LL script. Your affiliate code is already built into the downloaded links. So your thirty mintues is now down to 15?

[AdultLoungeRaffi]

check out www.AdultLounge.com

we have many Free Trial Sites if thats what you mean...

[[BV]]

Ray Charles could tell this thread is not about Free Trial Sites.

[Jel]

']Ray Charles could tell this thread is not about Free Trial Sites.

lol, agreed :)

[AdultLoungeRaffi]

']Ray Charles could tell this thread is not about Free Trial Sites.

oops...just read the title...sorry lol...

but to reply, yes we are making a few free sites with close affiliate partners...and hosting them for free also...

[Greenguy]

Raffi - can we see an example or two? I'd be interesting in using them if they look decent :)

Also, while I have you, can you guys put an actual email address in the "From" on your newsletters instead of "AdultLounge Team <>" It's kinda hard to tell the spam filter that your emails are OK if there's no email address on it :(

[Far-L]

I don't think there are a lof of people on this board that want them either :D

Hosted Free Sites are for Links Lists just as Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners. I'm sure that people also use both on hub pages & whatnot.

Free Sites and Galleries that sponsors put online for the webmaster to download & then upload to their own server is just a bad idea, because then they will start to submit those Free Sites & Galleries to Link Lists & TGP's & the reviewers for each will get very sick of seeing the sites & galleries over & over & over & next thing you know, the sponsor and/or submitter is banned.

That is an excellent point that sticks out like a breast at mardi gras... I have to rethink what I was saying previously.

[AdultLoungeRaffi]

Raffi - can we see an example or two? I'd be interesting in using them if they look decent :)

Also, while I have you, can you guys put an actual email address in the "From" on your newsletters instead of "AdultLounge Team <>" It's kinda hard to tell the spam filter that your emails are OK if there's no email address on it :(

Free Trial sites or Free Sites?

In regards to the "from" i will let Art know....although when you double click on the "AdultLounge Team" it has our e-mail address...you mean make it straight up e-mail address visible on the from?

[Greenguy]

Free Trial sites or Free Sites?You said "...yes we are making a few free sites with close affiliate partners..." - so if you're going to be making Hosted Free Sites for affiliates, I'd like to see them & possibly use them :)


In regards to the "from" i will let Art know....although when you double click on the "AdultLounge Team" it has our e-mail address...you mean make it straight up e-mail address visible on the from?
I think most spam filters look for the email address that's listed in the "From" part of the email - yours is "AdultLounge Team <>" - there's no email address in there, so the spam filters have no idea who it's from & just throw it in the junk folder. Also makes it hard to reply to the email, since sending an email to the address "AdultLounge Team <>" give you a "503 No Recipient(s)" error :(

[AdultLoungeART]

You said "...yes we are making a few free sites with close affiliate partners..." - so if you're going to be making Hosted Free Sites for affiliates, I'd like to see them & possibly use them :)



I think most spam filters look for the email address that's listed in the "From" part of the email - yours is "AdultLounge Team <>" - there's no email address in there, so the spam filters have no idea who it's from & just throw it in the junk folder. Also makes it hard to reply to the email, since sending an email to the address "AdultLounge Team <>" give you a "503 No Recipient(s)" error :(


Thanks for the feedback greenguy ... i will make sure to put an email address from now on |pimpin

[Mateusz]

Is it only me or most afdollars.com's FHS goes 404 ?

[Phoenix]

i swear ours are coming really soon

[DeniseAWC]

I gave up on Tgp's long ago.
TPG traffic may be large, but conversions and retainment suck, and we're supposed to be in this together on partnership right?

Why don't more sponsors make free sites?

If you're a sponsor, I would like a reply!

Hi, well I don't knoiw if this counts but we have a pretty good affiliate program as well as 12 tgp sites, if that's what you mean? We recognise that the folks we want to promote our sites are also the same folks successfully promoting loads of others too. So we give them priority to post to ours with partner accounts, if they want them.

I don't want to spam this board but feel free to ICQ my Marketing chap 'Bopper' on 330349571 if you'd like more information.

Cheers

[Greenguy]

Is it only me or most afdollars.com's FHS goes 404 ?I just let jaYMan & Joey know about this - they were working yesterday, because I was poking around over there. I'm sure they'll fix the problem :)


Hi, well I don't knoiw if this counts but we have a pretty good affiliate program as well as 12 tgp sites, if that's what you mean?...No, it doesn't count :D

Hosted Free Sites are for Link List owners as Hosted Galleries are for TGP owners.

Linkster wrote an awesome post on why sponsors should make Hosted Free Sites - you can read it here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=15875

[DeniseAWC]

Oh, OK, well I'm still glad to let my affiliates have partner accounts but I guess I misunderstood the question. BTW - do you have an example of a link list?

If it's something that would add value to my affiliate program I'd like to see one so I can get with the program, if that makes sense?

Cheers

Edited - sorry, I just re-read your post again. OK, so I'm a bimbo!

[jaYMan]

dns propogating due to server move re's the afdollars promo stuff, sorry for the trouble, hopefully its sorted within a few hours ;)