i need to nag

[stuveltje]

oh yeah its my nag time again, why the fuck cant people use their own ideas? What lately is pissing me off bad is, that evertyhing i do on my stuff linksites , hubs, free sites........is getting copied, now oke, copied we all have that, but damn i cant have a new thing for one day on my sites or some "bugs" are copieng(or what ever) my stuff i cant stop that, but please change something in your own style..............lazy bums sneeky bugs.|sad|

[kristian]

It's good to vent, but don't be so surprised. You're a business person, not an isolated programmer. In business people steal your ideas, the clothes off your back. That's the way it's always been. Not nice, not a big surprise.

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by kristian
It's good to vent, but don't be so surprised. You're a business person, not an isolated programmer. In business people steal your ideas, the clothes off your back. That's the way it's always been. Not nice, not a big surprise. i am not surprised, realy i am not, i am 3 years in bizz and alot of my stuff gets copied, but you do get surprised if people are doing it you know in person..............ackkkkkkkkkkkk|violin| and its not the first time they did, i have warn them but they keep doing it.

[kristian]

Oh, I see, someone you know (as in an aquantance or friend) has stolen from you? I understand how you must feel. I wasn't making light of the situation. Truth is, it's happened to me so many times, I treat it now as part of life and business. But this doesn't make it any less painful when it happens. I think when you trust someone, and they take from you, it's more like rape than theft.

My family has been to court several times over theft in the past. One thing we did was invent the home choose concept of choosing carpets in europe. The slogun we used was copied by a rival and we won in court.

More recently, a man I thought of as a mentor and friend, promised to turn my hobby of writing screenplays into a reality. To cut a long story short, he stole my concept, my idea, re-wrote my screenplay, and shot the movie without giving me a cent.

These things are sent to try us . . . :)

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by kristian
Oh, I see, someone you know (as in an aquantance or friend) has stolen from you? I understand how you must feel. I wasn't making light of the situation. Truth is, it's happened to me so many times, I treat it now as part of life and business. But this doesn't make it any less painful when it happens. I think when you trust someone, and they take from you, it's more like rape than theft.

My family has been to court several times over theft in the past. One thing we did was invent the home choose concept of choosing carpets in europe. The slogun we used was copied by a rival and we won in court.

More recently, a man I thought of as a mentor and friend, promised to turn my hobby of writing screenplays into a reality. To cut a long story short, he stole my concept, my idea, re-wrote my screenplay, and shot the movie without giving me a cent.

These things are sent to try us . . . :) eww thats bad ........i know it happens all the time, but hell whats wrong with asking, people can ask others if they may use something, and if you use it change it all, once in a while i need to nag about it ....lol see it as "comming out stress" for the last hard working weeks of the year 2004! Still with the "bugs"and clusterfucks in networking, it was a good 2004! Will go for a even better 2005 and "copieng (i hate that word) bugs" wont stop me from that !

[wasi]

with the thousands of sites, just because something looks similar does not mean someone copied it...... there are only so many ways to make a table anyhow.... :) |peace|

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by wasi
with the thousands of sites, just because something looks similar does not mean someone copied it...... there are only so many ways to make a table anyhow.... :) |peace| yep i agree but leaving the authors name and the name of the real site in it and the dscription and all and even get in yahoo with it, is very very stupid....

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by wasi
with the thousands of sites, just because something looks similar does not mean someone copied it...... there are only so many ways to make a table anyhow.... :) |peace| It's kinda hard to accidentally type up the same title, meta & site - including graphics - that someone else has had online for quite some time.

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Greenguy
It's kinda hard to accidentally type up the same title, meta & site - including graphics - that someone else has had online for quite some time. well the grafics wher different but the rest the same, but with that..........its was no mistake! an yeah netmaniak is around for some time i believe link o rama was one of the first who linked it that time......how times fly|violin|

[Opti]

That sucks Stu :(

It is kind of flattering that your "friend" thinks they cant do as well as you without copying you. :\

Is it hurting you in the SERPS at all or is it just some idiot that is annoying you?

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Opti
That sucks Stu :(

It is kind of flattering that your "friend" thinks they cant do as well as you without copying you. :\

Is it hurting you in the SERPS at all or is it just some idiot that is annoying you? it always can hurt your serps, but still its strange people in a higher postion have to do this to get a better listing? hell i dont know. what bugs me is that they wanted an appoligie(shit word) for accusing them from stealing because they kept saying they made it even with my other proof. very nice to hear i am nothing and dont put this in the open and i had to tell everyone who would ask, that they made it, yeah right.

[Kezza]

Venting is a good thing! (and I hope you feel better!!!)

I think you have actually posted this in the wrong forum after following your site and the SERPS (Yahoo and Google cache tells all!) I am sure you should be in the "Cheaters" forum...

I am sure there are many good LL owner's that would be interested.

[Greenguy]

Anyone else find it very strange that this "wasi" person signed up for the board right after this thread started & this was their 1st & only post?

Very strange if you ask me.

[MrMaryLou]

Very Strange indeed :(

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Anyone else find it very strange that this "wasi" person signed up for the board right after this thread started & this was their 1st & only post?

Very strange if you ask me. well i know a wasi, but i cant believe that this wasi is the wasi i know from ans board, because why the hell you would post on a thread on a board you are not a member of and isnt that important to you unless someone asked you to post on that thread for a favor? And this is making me pissed again...and i am realy loosing my patience (or how the hell you writing that)|pissed| oh just one hint ..dont do someone a favor because they asked just like that, get to know the whole truth, and you will be surprised!!!|waves|

[Greenguy]

I was just making an observation :D

[Opti]

Originally posted by stuveltje
well i know a wasi, but i cant believe that this wasi is the wasi i know from ans board, because why the hell you would post on a thread on a board you are not a member of and isnt that important to you unless someone asked you to post on that thread for a favor? And this is making me pissed again...and i am realy loosing my patience (or how the hell you writing that)|pissed| oh just one hint ..dont do someone a favor because they asked just like that, get to know the whole truth, and you will be surprised!!!|waves|

LOL.. settle down Stu, dont let them get you mad... you called their bluff and showed them you are happy to back up your private complaints in public. Forget them now I reckon. It really only sucks as they were "friends" stealing, and have acted like such dickheads when asked privately to stop it.... Go back to making your fortune and forget them I say |rasta|

[Dan]

Well i just going to say after seeing the yahoo catche and talking to stuveltje over this, how anyone can say this was not her site/page is beond me ...

Why do i say that ? ...because i built the whole site for her way back then ...
So if the person would like to talk to me over it please do so...

[Alphawolf]

Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

|drunk| |batman |club| |samauri|

Actually, that really does suck.

Post their whois info and we'll all call from different time zones every day just to fuck with him.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

|drunk| |batman |club| |samauri|

Actually, that really does suck.

Post their whois info and we'll all call from different time zones every day just to fuck with him.

ROFL... remind to never fuck with you mate ;-)




Hello Dan! |waves|

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Dan
Well i just going to say after seeing the yahoo catche and talking to stuveltje over this, how anyone can say this was not her site/page is beond me ...

Why do i say that ? ...because i built the whole site for her way back then ...
So if the person would like to talk to me over it please do so...
Hya Dan:)))))) yep you made me that page learning me how to make a linksite and it was my first linksite years ago.
Opti:))))) i know i should work further, but i cant reason, how the fuck a board manager and his wife can threathen me and ask an apoligize from me for a site i made, called me shit, say i have not respect for others, well i have and i have alot, telling to say to others they made that site....pulling in innocents to post here, i have had it i am soooo fucking mad , they still would think i would say they made it till i find this yesterday in yahoo http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=maniak+porn&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt nr1 is my site number 2 is not my site, the url is redirected after i message them with the url and saying you still say you made the site?, look at the cachee........i wont allow a board management stealing from other people and call me shit..........so that out, and qeuss what i had the nerve to put it in the open........wahhhhhh what a releave |peace|

[Greenguy]

Screen grab of the results page - just incase :)

[Opti]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Screen grab of the results page - just incase :)

Wonder why you can't see the link to the Cached Copy Of That Page (http://www.plus613.com/image/6239) in the yahoo results GG!

[Greenguy]

Cached copies change - that screen grab will be here forever :D

[bobbiekey]

Theft is theft, either online or off, IMHO Even worse if a "friend" steals from you. Sorry to hear about your troubles stuveltjeeeee! What that person did is.... Just Wrong!|sad|

[Dan]

Originally posted by Opti
ROFL... remind to never fuck with you mate ;-)




Hello Dan! |waves|

Hi Opti hows things mate |waves|

[Linkster]

After looking things over I can see exactly who it was - although the whois wont tell ya much :)

Thats just wrong!! And a real shame to be done by well respected (or at least they were) WMs.

[The Other Steve]

Interesting - this time they got caught - I wonder how many times they've tried it and haven't got caught - or at least no one has bothered to let them know they've been caught.

It's amazing how some very dumb people think that the rest of us are even sillier than they are.

[Kre8t0r]

Ok I have seen enough of this bullshit!! I told stu a month ago when she made these false claims that if this went public she would be the one wearing the egg on her face... I am going to go over this point by point very slow so there is NO chance for a mistake.

First the page in question was a test page that had meta tags copied but not changed to our search terms. There was NOTHING that was even remotely close to anything I have ever seen on NetManiak. The page was up for maybe a day and was changed to a link trade page that stu has had link trades on since the site started....funny how none of this (proof) came out then.

I will admit to the ONLY thing that was done in this matter... The meta tag html was copied instead of typing out<meta= bla bla>. So if stu owns the copywrite to meta tags then I guess we are thieves. If not then this was a simple text replacement mistake and as usual someone crys wolf and you all flock without anything but a yahoo cache to an incomplete page and one side of a story. Did stu happen to mention her and Bratt shared ideas on many sites? I think she may have failed to tell the whole truth but that doesn't surprise me anymore.

This started as a nag and as usual turned into a witch hunt. But this time there isn't anything to burn..Sorry

Now for some REAL facts...
The page in question on the site LIVE, no bullshit yahoo cache the real deal! And notice the meta text hasn't been changed yet to show I have NOTHING to hide... (Also notice who has their sites in the top listings... They should sound familiar.)
http://www.allsexlist.com/link.htm
The text will be fixed when this is over.

And to further this I will do something I should NEVER have to do for any bullshit claims with no proof of anything more than a fucking title and meta text. Here is the total site map for the domain, look all you want... Please find me something to back up anything more than what I have said in this post. If you want I can take screen shots of file upload dates if you still have ANY doubts.
http://www.allsexlist.com/map.html
Free Porn -Hardcore Porn From Net Maniak Porn Links - is the page on the map.


Now that I have given the people I give a fuck about the other side of the story. I will wait and see what you guys come up with after seeing ALL the facts and both sides of the story, not someones bad mood rant. I expect this thread to be treated like I would any of you being accused of wrong-doing you did not do.

Stu.... All I have to say is you were told this wasn't what you thought it was but as usual God is always right huh?

I'm done, most of you in this thread have known me for years and I have worked hard and lost cash quite a few times trying to always take the high road. For you to just assume without even hearing the other side is really sad..

This is what you get for spending your career helping people learn this business... Nice fucking way to say thanks!



|pcsucks|

[stuveltje]

Ok I have seen enough of this bullshit!! I told stu a month ago when she made these false claims that if this went public she would be the one wearing the egg on her face... I am going to go over this point by point very slow so there is NO chance for a mistake. I wonder when you would post, you forgot to mention that you claimed you made the design, you told me that layout was there for 2 years,now thats bullshit to me, i showed you the results in the wayback machine, you have that design since august 2003, then you had the strange excuse "oh you never change your sites" funny thing because we are talking now about an other site with the layout!!



I will admit to the ONLY thing that was done in this matter... The meta tag html was copied instead of typing out<meta= bla bla>. So if stu owns the copywrite to meta tags then I guess we are thieves. If not then this was a simple text replacement mistake and as usual someone crys wolf and you all flock without anything but a yahoo cache to an incomplete page and one side of a story. Did stu happen to mention her and Bratt shared ideas on many sites? I think she may have failed to tell the whole truth but that doesn't surprise me anymore.
Now you know this is going on for a month...why werent you that smart to remove the page i found on yahoo 2 days ago before (which was an other site whitch the same layout which we fight a month ago) the funny thing about that is when i message you with that url and said still claiming you made it, it was gone in 5 minutes. and no answer from you!!!

This started as a nag and as usual turned into a witch hunt. But this time there isn't anything to burn..Sorry This nag was an old thread from 30 november the day you insulted me and threated me on icq. with only 4 postings, someone was so stupid to make a new person post (who had no reason to post) and put it up to top.

?Did stu happen to mention her and Bratt shared ideas on many sites? I think she may have failed to tell the whole truth but that doesn't surprise me anymore. Excuse me bratt and i shared ideas? I told her some ideas if she got stuck with her work, and i may failed to tell the whole truth and that doesnt surprise you anymore? lol you think you know me real well he? since when did you got the chanse to know me well? Look back in history of icq of bratt then you know where we have been talking about! Btw since this shit happens i wasnt talking to you guys anymore. And it was funny to see when bratt find this post on the board she started to hit me up asking if she could fix it!!



Now for some REAL facts..
The page in question on the site LIVE, no bullshit yahoo cache the real deal! And notice the meta text hasn't been changed yet to show I have NOTHING to hide... (Also notice who has their sites in the top listings... They should sound familiar.)
http://www.allsexlist.com/link.htm
The text will be fixed when this is over.
Since when is an cache page of an searchengine bullshit?

Stu.... All I have to say is you were told this wasn't what you thought it was but as usual God is always right huh? Yep look at my avatar here and at ans!!!

I'm done, most of you in this thread have known me for years and I have worked hard and lost cash quite a few times trying to always take the high road. For you to just assume without even hearing the other side is really sad.. they saw proof , and since your long in bizz you should know you may not use the words and name of an other site. and then saying "So if stu owns the copywrite to meta tags then I guess we are thieves" is a sad excuse because you have copied my stuff there . and we are talking about 2 sites oh btw bratt has change the index why did she if it was your design she changed it yesterday.

This is what you get for spending your career helping people learn this business... Nice fucking way to say thanks! since when did you help me? and dont start on this one.
you abused the fact you run the ans board, and if that gives you the right to do things in bizz which arent allowed, which include also threaten and insulting your advisor on icq....then you have a great job! well done!

[Twiceshy]

Hmm who OWNS meta tags ??????? i wanna know who i need to ask for or pay copy rights to ????



Things that make you Go Humm " can we see a log Stu of said threats on icq?????

[Kre8t0r]

Like I said before.... I told the people i give a fuck about (you used to be in that group until this public attack for NO reason other than you are nagging. (Your own words) my side of this.

As far as removing the page when you blasted me on ICQ a month ago, you never gave me a link for any "proof" of anything... If you had I may have caught the error without this bullshit. (want logs?)

And since when were you "helping" Bratt?? You were green as hell when she was turning out more work than you have ever done. You both used each others ideas and for you to say otherwise just shows your true colors.

I copied the actual meta names not EVER planning to use your text it was just a short cut that I know many have used. Simple mistake nothing more...

Now when you dare to question my job at ANS you better be ready for some hell! YOU FUCKING MESSAGED US on this site copying accusation. So how am I abusing my job by defending myself from someone making FALSE accusations in MY ICQ window! You need to slow your mouth down a bit berore you question what I do because you have no idea what I do or don't do for ANS you are just someone that posts like mad on our newbie board and have helped out in that area which you were much appreciated for and told so by myself and many others. You know NOTHING of what I my job entails and have no business talking about it. More of the "imagination" nice touch.

I am done with this thread completely! Enjoy your nag I think anyone with half a brain that reads my last post will see that you have nothing to back up more than what I have already said was done.

Anyone that has any questions about this can contact me directly, I'm not hard to find. Greeny if you feel this is something that deserves to to be labeled a "cheater" then that's your call.

[Twiceshy]

Well since no names but sites have been come to the surface all i have to say on this matter is .. #1 these SO called Cheaters * that they ARE NOT * i began in this biz with them we parted ways i paid for said domains they were HONEST and transfered then back to ME .

Do i think they are Cheaters OR NEED to be NOOOO i dont why is this thread herei have no idea other than ppl need conflict or bs to keep some form of excitement in their lives.
Im blown away it is i thought most ppl had better thingd to do LIKE BIZ an d work rather than bs petty crap and yes i have seen the proof on both sides * Dont we allhave better things to do with our time ?

[Twiceshy]

since when did you help me? and dont start on this one.
you abused the fact you run the ans board, and if that gives you the right to do things in bizz which arent allowed, which include also threaten and insulting your advisor on icq....then you have a great job! well done! "



Hmm stu since when did they help YOu ???? i guess sonce you decided to become a active member of ANS and asked for HELP?

[stuveltje]

Now when you dare to question my job at ANS you better be ready for some hell! YOU FUCKING MESSAGED US on this site copying accusation. So how am I abusing my job by defending myself from someone making FALSE accusations in MY ICQ window! You need to slow your mouth down a bit berore you question what I do because you have no idea what I do or don't do for ANS you are just someone that posts like mad on our newbie board and have helped out in that area which you were much appreciated for and told so by myself and many others. You know NOTHING of what I my job entails and have no business talking about it. More of the "imagination" nice touch.
He kre do what you have to do i showed some facts if you like it or not, and i gave you fucking proof i showed you the url a month ago on icq in the way back machine and yep i found an other link 2 days ago, btw didnt i say that before? but then you dont read. now i got things to do!|peace|

[Twiceshy]

things that make ya go Humm

[stuveltje]

Hmm stu since when did they help YOu ???? i guess sonce you decided to become a active member of ANS and asked for HELP? mmmmmmmmm thats a point, so even they didnt help me on the board they still helped me? nice one

[Twiceshy]

???? stu get alife .... We all helped ya you think yer a BIG timer Know>>>>Hmmmm must be nice to THINK big time




Mery Xmas??

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Twiceshy
???? stu get alife .... We all helped ya you think yer a BIG timer Know>>>>Hmmmm must be nice to THINK big time




Mery Xmas?? i dont think so! yep like a board should suppose to be people help eachother but i dont own that from kre, and twiceshy i know your their friend and its cool to post, but its not worth it.|peace|

[Dan]

Originally posted by Kre8t0r
Ok I have seen enough of this bullshit!! I told stu a month ago when she made these false claims that if this went public she would be the one wearing the egg on her face... I am going to go over this point by point very slow so there is NO chance for a mistake.

First the page in question was a test page that had meta tags copied but not changed to our search terms. There was NOTHING that was even remotely close to anything I have ever seen on NetManiak. The page was up for maybe a day and was changed to a link trade page that stu has had link trades on since the site started....funny how none of this (proof) came out then.

I will admit to the ONLY thing that was done in this matter... The meta tag html was copied instead of typing out<meta= bla bla>. So if stu owns the copywrite to meta tags then I guess we are thieves. If not then this was a simple text replacement mistake and as usual someone crys wolf and you all flock without anything but a yahoo cache to an incomplete page and one side of a story. Did stu happen to mention her and Bratt shared ideas on many sites? I think she may have failed to tell the whole truth but that doesn't surprise me anymore.

This started as a nag and as usual turned into a witch hunt. But this time there isn't anything to burn..Sorry

Now for some REAL facts...
The page in question on the site LIVE, no bullshit yahoo cache the real deal! And notice the meta text hasn't been changed yet to show I have NOTHING to hide... (Also notice who has their sites in the top listings... They should sound familiar.)
http://www.allsexlist.com/link.htm
The text will be fixed when this is over.

And to further this I will do something I should NEVER have to do for any bullshit claims with no proof of anything more than a fucking title and meta text. Here is the total site map for the domain, look all you want... Please find me something to back up anything more than what I have said in this post. If you want I can take screen shots of file upload dates if you still have ANY doubts.
http://www.allsexlist.com/map.html
Free Porn -Hardcore Porn From Net Maniak Porn Links - is the page on the map.


Now that I have given the people I give a fuck about the other side of the story. I will wait and see what you guys come up with after seeing ALL the facts and both sides of the story, not someones bad mood rant. I expect this thread to be treated like I would any of you being accused of wrong-doing you did not do.

Stu.... All I have to say is you were told this wasn't what you thought it was but as usual God is always right huh?

I'm done, most of you in this thread have known me for years and I have worked hard and lost cash quite a few times trying to always take the high road. For you to just assume without even hearing the other side is really sad..

This is what you get for spending your career helping people learn this business... Nice fucking way to say thanks!



|pcsucks|


Mate you are the one with egg on your face...
i made the site,,, not Stu so if you have probs with the site text/html or meta tags talk to me like i stated in the thread before ...
I dont care who you are .... im nobody so you can go after me all you like ...
This is a webmaster board like anyother that webmasters can vent say what they like including you ...
I would like you to show me the facts that you have on her as you say ...
You have seen what she has put up of the yahoo catche and you say thats not right ...so show me please

[Greenguy]

Here's the one thing that I don't get - you copied the meta from stuveltje instead of typing it out by hand?

If this was the 1st site you'd ever built, I could easily buy that. But you've been in the business for a long time - why not just go back to one of the sites that you've built in the past & copy the meta from there?

Or since it's such a pain in the ass to type up metas by hand, why not just have something like this in a text file & then just copy & paste it when you need it?

<title> </title>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="EXPIRES" CONTENT="now">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT=" ">
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT=" ">
<META NAME="revisit-after" CONTENT="2 days">
<META NAME="Voluntary Content Rating" CONTENT="adult">
<META NAME="author" CONTENT=" ">
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="INDEX,FOLLOW">
<meta name="Language" content="EN">

Nobody likes to have their pages copied & put online - regardless of the reason - and this is why stuveltje is so upset.

[MrMaryLou]

Knowing all parties involved here I must say I am bit surprised about the whole thing :(

[Cleo]

I know I would be very upset if someone copied any part of my work without my permission.

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Twiceshy
Hmm who OWNS meta tags ??????? i wanna know who i need to ask for or pay copy rights to ????

No one OWNS meta tags. But having Stu's site title in the meta tags shows they were copied 100% from her site. That's Wrong!

If the rest of the site isn't the same then change the metas, problem solved.

[Halfdeck]

Originally posted by Twiceshy
???? stu get alife .... We all helped ya you think yer a BIG timer Know>>>>Hmmmm must be nice to THINK big time

Mery Xmas??
Twiceshy, you're not making kre8 look any better by posting lame personal attacks and making condescending remarks.

[kalle7]

One of the first things I learned when I started out in the online bizz (I am still a newbie) was that I should never copy from other peoples work. Perhaps it would be helpful to repeat some basic newbie tutorials? Just a thought! |santa|

[Bratt]

I talked to stu the whole time this site was being built. I saw her metas and I do remember asking her about them and if the extra tags that I didn't have on my other sites at the time helped. She said they were good to have and I copied them. The page that she speaks of first is called test2 and was a page in progress. I had used another page from my site, copied her metas into it, and turned it into a new page on my site for links. It was never to be uploaded like that with the meta text not being replaced. When I had to do a total domain upload it got uploaded and I wasn't aware of it. That I suppose is my bad, and had I known it was there, I would have taken it down right away. She and I were working closely together at that time and we were sharing many ideas between each other. For her to say she only helped me when I got stuck is pretty sad as we were both helping each other on many different levels.

To drag Kre8t0r and his job at ANS into this is pretty fucking low. One has nothing to do with the other. He never threatened her as she says, I was there the day she was talking to him and reading over his shoulder. She never once provided a link in that whole discussion to anything that she was saying was copied. She just kept saying that we copied her site and would never tell WHAT was copied. She says in one of her posts that I started sending messages to her when this was posted. Yes, I did, how can I fix what I didnt' know what even there.. as again, this page was a test page, changed and uploaded as another page and the one meta on two pages didn't get changed. Had she told us what page was copied or what she was seeing, it would have been changed immediately and remedied the situation, but that never happened. Instead she chose this route.

The site was changed the other night cuz after asking multiple times about what she was talking about, and never getting an answer, I didn't know and changed the whole page. Only after this post got longer did I even find out about the page in 'cache' that I didn't even know had been there. When I checked the server it wasn't even there nor was it on my computer anymore. I had to do a search of my whole domain to find the ONE page on my hard drive that had her metas on it. Funny how if I am such a theif there were only two pages with her metas on it out of 100s on that domain and one of the two is no longer on my computer even. At the time that was built stu and I were constantly talking and sharing ideas on how to improve our sites. Funny how someone can take a simple mistake and turn it into a federal case about cheating. And how those of you that know me, can accuse me of cheating for no real reason. If she had thought that I copied her at the time this site went live, she never said anything, she was the FIRST to do a link trade with that site and never said a word to me or mentioned anything. In fact, the link page in question was not added till 8-04 when she was telling me to add a 'sex links' page to the site and list all the link trades on it and add this page to my categories. So if anything was done wrong, why didn't she see it when she checked her links on the page? Why didn't she see it when I added the link page and showed her this page? And when she did find it, why didnt' she contact me like a professional would instead of flaming me on a board. Why when asked didn't she tell me the page in question? Prolly for the same reason I didn't. Neither of us caught the mistake.

Thanks stu, this is the first time in my 5 years in the biz I have even been near a cheating forum. Guess I shouldn't share ideas with friends.

The metas have been changed and fixed. There is nothing on that site that is remotely even like hers. Problem solved.

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Bratt
I talked to stu the whole time this site was being built. I saw her metas and I do remember asking her about them and if the extra tags that I didn't have on my other sites at the time helped. She said they were good to have and I copied them. The page that she speaks of first is called test2 and was a page in progress. I had used another page from my site, copied her metas into it, and turned it into a new page on my site for links. It was never to be uploaded like that with the meta text not being replaced. When I had to do a total domain upload it got uploaded and I wasn't aware of it. That I suppose is my bad, and had I known it was there, I would have taken it down right away. She and I were working closely together at that time and we were sharing many ideas between each other. For her to say she only helped me when I got stuck is pretty sad as we were both helping each other on many different levels.

To drag Kre8t0r and his job at ANS into this is pretty fucking low. One has nothing to do with the other. He never threatened her as she says, I was there the day she was talking to him and reading over his shoulder. She never once provided a link in that whole discussion to anything that she was saying was copied. She just kept saying that we copied her site and would never tell WHAT was copied. She says in one of her posts that I started sending messages to her when this was posted. Yes, I did, how can I fix what I didnt' know what even there.. as again, this page was a test page, changed and uploaded as another page and the one meta on two pages didn't get changed. Had she told us what page was copied or what she was seeing, it would have been changed immediately and remedied the situation, but that never happened. Instead she chose this route.

The site was changed the other night cuz after asking multiple times about what she was talking about, and never getting an answer, I didn't know and changed the whole page. Only after this post got longer did I even find out about the page in 'cache' that I didn't even know had been there. When I checked the server it wasn't even there nor was it on my computer anymore. I had to do a search of my whole domain to find the ONE page on my hard drive that had her metas on it. Funny how if I am such a theif there were only two pages with her metas on it out of 100s on that domain and one of the two is no longer on my computer even. At the time that was built stu and I were constantly talking and sharing ideas on how to improve our sites. Funny how someone can take a simple mistake and turn it into a federal case about cheating. And how those of you that know me, can accuse me of cheating for no real reason. If she had thought that I copied her at the time this site went live, she never said anything, she was the FIRST to do a link trade with that site and never said a word to me or mentioned anything. In fact, the link page in question was not added till 8-04 when she was telling me to add a 'sex links' page to the site and list all the link trades on it and add this page to my categories. So if anything was done wrong, why didn't she see it when she checked her links on the page? Why didn't she see it when I added the link page and showed her this page? And when she did find it, why didnt' she contact me like a professional would instead of flaming me on a board. Why when asked didn't she tell me the page in question? Prolly for the same reason I didn't. Neither of us caught the mistake.

Thanks stu, this is the first time in my 5 years in the biz I have even been near a cheating forum. Guess I shouldn't share ideas with friends.

The metas have been changed and fixed. There is nothing on that site that is remotely even be like hers. Problem solved. we where not working close together, and yep think back, think back what we talked about all the time and i am not gonna post on the board what we talked about most of the time, because it has nothing and totally nothing to do with bizz!
i told you get ideas i never said copy!! and specially not from a linksite.
And yep your right you wanted to fix it.......after i posted on this board, well that was to late .
And talking about friends.........i am not gonna answer that!

still funny because you say something totally different then kre, kre said he copied you said you had permision and you did it .......funny shit

[RawAlex]

At the end of the day, I think every one of us at one time or another has seen a really neat site, or some amazing tags, or whatever, and copied them to notepad to use as "inspiration" for something else. truth of the matter is that this isn't much new under the porn sun. This isn't 1997, we have all long since used up all the "new" tricks, and now we are just refining the old ones.

Heck, thanks to Cleo for the coding for my sig file. She's good! :-)

That being said, copying code verbatim and putting it on another page is just not a very smooth move. The story can go back and forth as to who did what when, but at the end of the day, the guilty party(parties) know who they are and they will enjoy their moment in hell for doing it. No matter what is said, the guilty know they are guilty and they will punish themselves for it.

That the metas have now been changed only serves to confirm in my mind what the situation likely is.

Alex

[Bratt]

[i]I saw her metas and I do remember asking her about them and if the extra tags that I didn't have on my other sites at the time helped. She said they were good to have and I copied them.[/B]

maybe you should try reading before you post. Kre never got into any details of how or why this happened. I just told you .. see above.

[stuveltje]

well i think i am done here ! Yep i am!|peace|

[GonZo]

Damn... I should come by here more often!

[Tommy]

Well its very clear to me who the theif is
its always the same story with shitbags
(it was my partner, my employee)

and I think calling his job in to it is fair game

[Opti]

Originally posted by Tommy
Well its very clear to me who the theif is
its always the same story with shitbags
(it was my partner, my employee)

and I think calling his job in to it is fair game


I don't really understand how the three of you let such a silly thing grow so far out of proportion.. sounds like you must of been buddies once upon a time.

But even if it is a little thing Kr8.. you are in power over there.. and she loves her position at ANS. To threaten her if she complained in public... and then to not even remove the page that she was worried about, makes me wonder why she didn't bitch to your boss weeks ago!

A kick up the ass might put your brain back in the right place again too!

[Kre8t0r]

Ok since everyone still wants to play I'll try to make THIS the last post....

Listen careful people!

The page was never given to me or Bratt by stu... I finally found the fucking thing when this thread started!!(Actually I thought she was ranting about someone else until she posted the link) That's why it wasn't removed. Is that not plain enough for you????

As far as the rest of the once upon a time shit, yes we were close at one time and I havent heard word one about this since it was settled a month ago... With NO FUCKING THREATS besides "not to be bringing false accusations public"...I was accused of copying a total site, all I was given was a root domain and I know damn well that was a totally original design! Not to mention anyone here wouldn't roll over and play dead while being attacked for something you didn't do!! Nothing to do with my job as she still has her Adviser tag even after the first round, (and still does) and kept all the personal link trades because in her words after ending this without a total war it was the "professional" thing to do.

You really need to get off the "my job" kick these sites have NO affiliation to the job she is speaking of in any way, never has... My boss in the sites in question is me dumbass!! We do build our own sites.

So if there was anyone to contact it was already done a month ago... BOSS = ME get it yet??

Stu has never been bothered at ANS in any way by me or anyone else. For her to make claims and not follow up on them to put out bullshit fires that start from her comments.. That's a real pro there isn't it?? And I am somehow the bad guy.... That's nice.

I have spent the last 6 years helping webmasters. Why? because I like to help people that need a helping hand in this game.

Opti your post started out as I feel this is a total waste of time over a simple mistake made by my other half. But ended with a classic keyboard warrior line of someone kicking me in the ass. I am fine in that department ty, but if I need one I'll be sure to let you know.

Now do what you will. I have explained all I need to here, if you doubt what I say, Believe who you want. I personally don't think this was worth the all out attack that came from this... I HOPE we are all clear now...

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Kre8t0r
Ok since everyone still wants to play I'll try to make THIS the last post....

Listen careful people!

The page was never given to me or Bratt by stu... I finally found the fucking thing when this thread started!!(Actually I thought she was ranting about someone else until she posted the link) That's why it wasn't removed. Is that not plain enough for you????

As far as the rest of the once upon a time shit, yes we were close at one time and I havent heard word one about this since it was settled a month ago... With NO FUCKING THREATS besides "not to be bringing false accusations public"...I was accused of copying a total site, all I was given was a root domain and I know damn well that was a totally original design! Not to mention anyone here wouldn't roll over and play dead while being attacked for something you didn't do!! Nothing to do with my job as she still has her Adviser tag even after the first round, (and still does) and kept all the personal link trades because in her words after ending this without a total war it was the "professional" thing to do.

You really need to get off the "my job" kick these sites have NO affiliation to the job she is speaking of in any way, never has... My boss in the sites in question is me dumbass!! We do build our own sites.

So if there was anyone to contact it was already done a month ago... BOSS = ME get it yet??

Stu has never been bothered at ANS in any way by me or anyone else. And I am somehow the bad guy.... That's nice.

I have spent the last 6 years helping webmasters. Why? because I like to help people that need a helping hand in this game.

Opti your post started out as I feel this is a total waste of time over a simple mistake made by my other half. But ended with a classic keyboard warrior line of someone kicking me in the ass. I am fine in that department ty, but if I need one I'll be sure to let you know.

Now do what you will. I have explained all I need to here, if you doubt what I say, Believe who you want. I personally don't think this was worth the all out attack that came from this... I HOPE we are all clear now... i dont understand which part you didnt get a month ago.but first this.
yes we where one day friends(see i mention it now), that started letts see about the time a couple of weeks after you got the job at ans,(i had my newbie tag thing before that because rowdy asked me if i wanted to be an advisior on newbie board) and it melt away the time i found things out, bad things,
and yes you copied the whole layout and if you read this thread very good you will see that the person who realy made that design has also been posting here, like i have told you a month ago, your layout was there august 2003 (which means your little testpage was also on the net that time) mine was there from the start netmaniak was on the net and yes i showed you THE URL a month ago but you kept yelling to me " you got no shit you got nothing" . And again(you didnt mention it in your last post, but i want this out of the air) we worked not closed together we didnt worked together at all, we talked on icq thats not working together, my work is totally different then bratts work and i work alone.


For her to make claims and not follow up on them to put out bullshit fires that start from her comments.. That's a real pro there isn't it?? [/B] i never have said i am a pro!
But i have to say the way you handle the situation in this thread here you realy show how proffesional you are.

[Kezza]

I have a few things to say regarding all this... and I know that it is actually none of my business... except Stu is a collegue of mine and I totally respect her.

Copying anyone's sites, in any respect, is a very bad thing... getting ideas from others sites... well that is a different matter.

While, after several readings, I know I don't understand exactly what Kre8or is saying... I do find it strange that someone who is not a newbie (and I did assume that incorectly via icq to Bratt)... and I think 5 years in the adult industry has been mentioned (please correct me if I am wrong there) does not see that copying ANYTHING is wrong.

Did Stuvelte and Bratt work together in the past? I have no idea and do not care really... Has Stuvelte's site been compromised because it has been copied... probably... Did the copier know it was wrong... of course they did... (5 years is a long time to figure this all out)

Yes, Ingrid is my friend and a reviewer at our link lists... but she is also one of the most professional people we have ever met in this industry. She is imaginative and, yes, has some bizarre ideas... that really work for her... she is one of the unique webmasters that really do analyse their clients and gives them what they want... Is she successful... shit YEAH! A true professional and a true success.

I am always impressed that she achieves so much and English is her second language.

I remember well when Dan was setting the site up for her and she was a total newbie.

Having seen that cache in yahoo... and having heard of her discussions a few weeks back... (via icq messges being forwarded on) about the same issue... I am certainly not surprised that this thread exists, (my only surprise was she didnt post in the correct forum... but thankfully someone at GG&J moved it) It had to. No one sits back and lets their unique work be copied... do we??? No... we bitch on boards... report to hosts and sponsors... we try and rectify what is wrong... and copying (in any respect) is wrong.

Professional webmasters do not copy anything. And (sadly) if they do, they certainly do not upload them. .. they modify and make them their own. Meta tags are certainly not that difficult for a couple of webmasters who have been in the industry over 12 months. (or 5 years)

I dont know who Wasi is, or who Twiceshy is... but I would like to offer this friendly advice to them both: It is always good to back up a friend if you feel they are being attacked in an unfounded way... but it is also a good idea to have some substance to your posts. Have some strong facts to back up how you feel. I am sure people would read your posts with more compassion and understanding.

[Bratt]

I talked to stu the whole time this site was being built. I saw her metas and I do remember asking her about them and if the extra tags that I didn't have on my other sites at the time helped. She said they were good to have and I copied them. The page that she speaks of first is called test2 and was a page in progress. I had used another page from my site, copied her metas into it, and turned it into a new page on my site for links. It was never to be uploaded like that with the meta text not being replaced. When I had to do a total domain upload it got uploaded and I wasn't aware of it.

As I said above, I asked her about the metas and she said that the ones I didnt' have were good to have. When they were copied into that test page, the entire page was changed and uploaded. I had to do a total domain upload and obviously the test page got uploaded. When stu came to me a month ago and said that I copied her, I asked many times and all she would give me is the root domain. I had no idea at that time what she was talking about as the index page was fine and had been there for almost 3 years. She had link trades on it, she had seen it when I first went live with the site. I remember back during the summer, she was telling me that I should have a separate link page and I should call it 'sex links' and put it on my categories, so I built it. Obviously, using a test page from my computer and forgetting to change the metas on it. I even remember showing her the links page and she nor I noticed that I had mistakenly left her metas in the page. When it was mentioned in this thread the exact page she was referring to, I changed the metas. There is no test page on my computer or the server. I saw the yahoo cache and looked on the server for this test2.html and there is no such page. Stu has given my ideas throughout the time I have known her just as any webmasters share information. I have shown her most all of my work and this is the first and only time anything has been said and the part that is bothersome to me the most is that she has seen this site since the very beginning and that was 3 years ago. There was no mention then or anytime since about anything on this site being copied. The only thing copied were some meta tags that I didnt' have and that I had spoken to her about. That was done this past summer when I added the links page. This has been changed and taken care of. End of story. A mistake made, and fixed. Had I been aware of it prior to, or had I been told about the page it would have been taken care of then.

The only reason Kre8t0r came into this is because I was so upset that someone I considered a friend/co-worker turned on me like a rabid dog instead of telling me what was upsetting her. Instead she tells me part of it, and then posts rants. This has nothing to do with him. He did not build that page. The page in question was done after the site was finished and had been there three years.

The problem has been corrected, stu is done with this thread (see her post above)

[Bratt]

sorry, it posted twice

[stuveltje]

would give me is the root domain. I had no idea at that time what she was talking about as the index page was fine and had been there for almost 3 years. oke on icq it was 2 years in this thread it sais 3 years your whois sais you have the domain since 16 jun 2003 and if you look in the waybackmachine you will see how your site looked in jun and the rest of the months. so you dont have that index for 3 years wayback machine proofs that, and i am still wondering why i am posting here|violin|

[stuveltje]

I saw the yahoo cache and looked on the server for this test2.html and there is no such page the page was there and you removed it 5 minutes after i icq kre with the url and saying : you still saying you made the page.

Bratt its better you dont post further because you post things which arent true, now 3 years its easy to proof, and the layout, Dan posted,(he made that for me) btw He learned me this bizz and hell did i made him pull his hair out!
i told kre a month ago that i know the real person who made that design, but he didnt care, how stupid you can be to post you have the design for 3 years on the domain while its easy to check on your whoist of the domain and in the "way back machine" !That i was showing kre a month ago, but then he didnt care ... he showed me for real how he thought of his position and mine, well i showed him his position now...call me shit ...you will regret it ...do i think me an professional? No i am not , i dont know all and i am still learning after 3 years, thats bizz all about learing, do i have respect for people ...oh yes i am , i got my tag on newbie board because i care about newbies ( and remember the fact it was never mention in a newsletter that i was an advisor? why because i dont fucking care about the tag.. i told them i didnt want to be mention in the newsletter, i am not more then others and i liked to keep it that way), i still see myself as a newbie, so much to learn, i also know how hard it is for a newbie to post on a board, i was more then a year on the net before i dare to post on the board and someone had to convince me (or how you name that) i wouldnt get killed if i post, now thats what newbies at ans like about me i will be there if they get attacked at ans! but what i dont allow is cheaters and i am playing fair, if you accuse some one of stealing you post proof, i did, kre and you keep saying i never gave you proof and yes i did about 5 times, kre also mention to me in icq while we fighted , i may not dare to copie and past our conversation to others , well geuss what i did, because no one is going to tell me to do or not to do if i am right, alot have seen the proof a month ago already, and i dont have to hit up people on icq to post for me or to explain, hell i ask them not to post, you guys realy showed your professional way on this board!!! With this saying i am realy done! you know i have asked you to remove all the linkstrades i have with your and kres sites( and again a fact i never asked for the link trades you did, i have my own way to get a good position) and even kre would take my tag, that tag isnt important , what important is alot of people believe in me ..even you have a high position and i am nothing in a persons face...you may not copy or steal!!!!! I AM DONE !!!|roses|