BIG changes at CyberAge AVS!! [Archive]

DangerDave

2003-10-07, 01:21 AM

Just try logging in to one of your sites and you will see what I mean.....|pcsucks|

I am not happy about this.. and I would imagine many other webmasters may not be...

CA's response so far is here.. http://www.avsprograms.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1015

DD

xxxjay

2003-10-07, 01:44 AM

Yeah man - I predicted that when visa started getting crazy on the chargebacks.

I figured the AVS people would be feeling the heat from the chargebacks.

That sucks man.

Slinx

2003-10-07, 01:44 AM

CA had never listed my sites on their internal link list. Their rules were very strict in the past, too.

baddog

2003-10-07, 02:33 AM

pretty amazing stuff . . . . I was looking to see that they had done something positive, not that.

NotThatKevin

2003-10-07, 02:41 AM

DD that is so typical of CA |pissed|

Wazza

2003-10-07, 02:53 AM

And of course we'll have to add "target="_parent" to each and every sponsor link now... how many places rule out linking within a frame in their terms...

A bit of consultation might have been in order before pulling the rug out from under our feet... |raygun|

Fonz

2003-10-07, 03:37 AM

hmmm.. gonna save me some bandwith but gonna lose a lot of sponsor income...

Osiris

2003-10-07, 03:41 AM

Exciting new changes my ass....

I'm definitely not happy with them removing my members area and linking galleries..

susanna

2003-10-07, 07:42 AM

|bat|

here come the changes...

by the way anyone want to by an avs system

LMAO

Surfn

2003-10-07, 07:47 AM

I saw this coming with CA |sad|

Nickname

2003-10-07, 09:05 AM

Fucking not good, 1/3 of my income is from sponsor upsells on CA sites.....|pissed|

Cleo

2003-10-07, 09:08 AM

It has been a few years since CyberAge went insane with their rules and made it all but impossible for me to build sites that would get listed on their list.

One more nail in their coffin…

|angry|

Greenguy

2003-10-07, 09:22 AM

Looks like I've got a lot of links to pull before I update today |banghead|

MrMaryLou

2003-10-07, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Greenguy
Looks like I've got a lot of links to pull before I update today |banghead| Woe is me :(

EclectiXXX

2003-10-07, 12:25 PM

It figures..... So GG you pulling everyone's CyberAge sites???

Would be nice if CyberAge heard that... *might* convice them to rethink their approach....

Greenguy

2003-10-07, 02:23 PM

All Cyber Age links have been pulled from the Link O'Rama - including about 700 of my own sites - I'm thru with Cyber Age.

Cleo

2003-10-07, 03:38 PM

After seeing how my content had been put in a frame and after giving this much thought I've also removed all CyberAge sites from my link list, removed their ads from my link list, remove their button from my sig, and made a No Cyberage rule to my submit page.

If someone wants to fuck me I appreciate being asked if I would like to get fucked first. |angry|

Nickname

2003-10-07, 05:24 PM

This cant be good for CyberAge, and they had it comming to them! Im loosing big money on this......and so will CA.....

LilBiggz

2003-10-07, 05:27 PM

I've only got a handful of Avs sites and have put all my new ones on hold until the whole Avs scene chills out. It sounds like it hit some of ya's pretty hard., I would have to |goodnight someone if I had 700 that went to hell.

Everyone wants less free porn on the web, but if you try to password protect it - watch out cuz they are gonna fuck ya !!!

Doesn't make a whole lot of fucking sense.

Nickname

2003-10-07, 05:39 PM

DangerDave

2003-10-07, 06:07 PM

I am in the middle of moving house.. but once settled... I will be doing the same.. NO CA sites listed and current ones removed.

These changes and those that are coming may mean the end of www.theavslist.com as well..:(

DD

Greenguy

2003-10-07, 06:17 PM

DDave - same goes for MML & my http://www.avsindex.com :(

Cleo

2003-10-07, 06:20 PM

Look at it this way, this just means more traffic to send someplace else.

Linkster

2003-10-07, 06:43 PM

Pulling all the CA sites on mine tonight as well - and no more AVS links will soon be the norm - unless someone gets some frigging brains and figures out a better way

aeon

2003-10-07, 06:53 PM

just a heads up...when I try to go to www.link-o-rama.com I get redirected to massearch.com....

I've run ad aware and AVG anti-virus...both came up clean - searched the web and found nothin about it too - might be something on your end...

Happens with persiankitty.com as well...

best of luck -
aeon

natalie

2003-10-07, 07:02 PM

When I started out i was told build AVS they will be safer, don't just do free sites ... Well I'm glad I only did a few. Whats next?

Cleo

2003-10-07, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by aeon
just a heads up...when I try to go to www.link-o-rama.com I get redirected to massearch.com....

I've run ad aware and AVG anti-virus...both came up clean - searched the web and found nothin about it too - might be something on your end...

Happens with persiankitty.com as well...

They both work fine for me.

aeon

2003-10-07, 07:16 PM

then somethin' hijacked my browser...bastages - dammit...I hate when this stuff happens |pcsucks|

best of luck -
aeon

natalie

2003-10-07, 07:33 PM

Yeah you just need to run something like Spybot Search and Destroy |raygun|

EclectiXXX

2003-10-07, 11:48 PM

I Think I'm just going to delete my whole fucking AVS category....

Linkster

2003-10-08, 05:19 AM

EclectiXXX..thats what I did until all of this gets sorted out...Im getting tired of chasing stuff only to have to do it again the following week

NotThatKevin

2003-10-08, 08:33 AM

All I did was convert my sites to tour pages for my pay sites :)

Akira Web

2003-10-08, 08:56 AM

Looks like I'm through with CA!

jennym

2003-10-08, 09:08 AM

That sucks! I will be removing all AVS sites with today's update as well.

EclectiXXX

2003-10-08, 09:43 AM

As soon as I finish backing up that domain the AVS Category gets deleted...

Now.. what to do withmy own 650 Cyberage sites.... I think I need that server wide search and replace utility, time to install a frame buster script...

KCat

2003-10-08, 12:11 PM

I don't mind making changes if that's what they need to do to be compliant with Visa. But there needs to be an announcement & they need to give webmasters time to do it.

Not, "change your scripts this week & everything is OK". Then a few weeks later..."oh yeah, can you go back & also change .htaccess & your sponsor links? Right NOW because nothing works until you've changed it. Thanks!"

|pissed|

Woff

2003-10-08, 12:27 PM

Seems it gets worse...

The link that cyberage provide to your members area on their new FPA can be copied and pasted into any browser window thereby bypassing your htaccess... |waves|

urb

2003-10-08, 02:15 PM

Seems to me like Cyberage are not the sharpest tool in the box. |skull|

McSpike

2003-10-08, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Cleo
It has been a few years since CyberAge went insane with their rules and made it all but impossible for me to build sites that would get listed on their list.

One more nail in their coffin…

|angry|

I nailed that coffin real good and burried it already a year ago. What amazes me is that they didn't see all this crap all the rest of webmasters saw the same day they introduced their new idiocy. It looks like they have NO idea about what they are doing.

McSpike

2003-10-08, 03:54 PM

I like to see when idiots shoot themselves in the foot, tho :)

McSpike

2003-10-08, 03:57 PM

chilihost

2003-10-09, 01:39 AM

|pissed|

...Luke

Bell

2003-10-09, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by aeon
then somethin' hijacked my browser...bastages - dammit...I hate when this stuff happens |pcsucks|

best of luck -
aeon

try this:

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/trojan.qhosts.html#technicaldetails

~Bell

jazzcat

2003-10-09, 12:39 PM

Is it just me or have any of you guys found that the new Cyberage pages don't actually let you get to the members area.

At least 6 of my pages get to the new page that has the site name as a text link in the members area but fails to display the link, therefore no one can actually get to my members area.

Any one else suffering with this?

JanTM

2003-10-09, 04:48 PM

What the fuck is this |pissed|
The only good thing is I never got around to changing the login script on my AVS sites. But it looks like I'll change the script over to some completely different system... fucking CA |pissed|

dareutwo

2003-10-09, 09:22 PM

"Goodnight sweet heart well it's time to go" |goodnight

All CA sites are now gone from Mark's -
Will be dropping the AVS page from Mark's later this month.
Hard as hell to review them anyway, and a bitch to recheck a week or so later.

Bye Bye AVS

fetish1

2003-10-09, 10:41 PM

|bananna| Boy am I glad I went on a two week AVS building spree! NOT!!!!!
Ok anyone wanna toss out ideas on who MAY survive the VISA torture/shakedown as far as avs sponsors are concerned, or is it safer yet to just break down the avs sites before I even submit them any place and toss out free sites instead??

stuveltje

2003-10-10, 12:18 PM

And me always nagging because cyberage wont accept dutch people!!! I believe i am glad now they rejected me because i am dutch|bananna| Sorry for the rest i know how it is to change things, i did already 5 times

stuveltje

2003-10-10, 12:22 PM

ohhh now i am thinking off, i have all free sites, would it be wise to make avs sites?

LilBiggz

2003-10-10, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by stuveltje
ohhh now i am thinking off, i have all free sites, would it be wise to make avs sites? That all depends on if your dutch stu...

I would say free porn rocks |headbang| and Avs sucks big |blowjob|

Just my opinion though...
|couch|

Linkster

2003-10-10, 03:16 PM

fetish1...a few of us have already removed AVS sites from our LLs...some are just removing the CA sites. My plan is to wait and see which other AVS programs follow suit and the ones that are still standing and not jacking around their WMs, will get added back in to the LL.

fetish1

2003-10-10, 03:53 PM

Linkster,

Thanks, thats what I was hoping...that this whole to-do would eventually get past us all and we'd see who is left in the game. This is unfortunate, and granted I am by no means thrilled by it, but it's another change in the biz, isn't the first, and definately won't be the last LOL

stuveltje

2003-10-10, 04:16 PM

lol LB so many webmasters say to me make your free avs......but i am so happy i have free sites|bananna|

Nickname

2003-10-10, 07:15 PM

Stuveltje, see it from this angle.....if you build only free sites you miuss out on the money the avs sites make and if ya build only avs sites you miss out on the fre site money...so I do both :) its easy to convert your free site to a avs site.....and the internal traffic from the avs own linklist sells better than any other free site linklist, cause the surfers there have already pulled out the plastic.....so make both, they make money :)

katdaddy

2003-10-10, 10:57 PM

so is this the end of AVS? what will happen to all these avs programs?

Surfn

2003-10-11, 02:34 AM

They will go the way of the Dodo bird and the 8-Track tape...|rasta|

LilBiggz

2003-10-11, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by stuveltje
lol LB so many webmasters say to me make your free avs......but i am so happy i have free sites|bananna| Just kidding stu. |lightsabe
I'm just going to stay away from it for a while.

Surfn - I almost spit up my coffee on the Dodo bird thing...|angry|

Surfn

2003-10-11, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by LilBiggz
Surfn - I almost spit up my coffee on the Dodo bird thing...|angry| It sounds like you managed to survive :)

In the early 90's we developed them for the non-adult side. Then figured they could be revamped as temp fix on the adult side (we were known as Adult Check on the Adult side) but figured it was just a temporary thing that would be abandoned in a few years. None of us thought it would last past 97-98 so we sold out.

I'm getting to tired to set up a new system; if I were in my 20's it would be a simple task to create a new and better system. :)

JanTM

2003-10-11, 07:53 AM

So you all seriously think that AVS as a concept will die for good now?

I'd like to know what you all think before I start to just swap the CA scripts for another AVS script. Maybe swap the script page for a FPA or something. My AVS sites on seperate domains get quite some SE traffic... I'd hate to see that go to waste.

Surfn

2003-10-11, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by JanTM
So you all seriously think that AVS as a concept will die for good now?

I'd like to know what you all think before I start to just swap the CA scripts for another AVS script. Maybe swap the script page for a FPA or something. My AVS sites on seperate domains get quite some SE traffic... I'd hate to see that go to waste. Just remove the signup page and operate them as free sites. Simple fix.

JanTM

2003-10-11, 08:02 AM

well... some of my AVS sites have 1000+ pics and movies on them. I'd hate just give all that away... its not Christmas yet |santa| :D

Surfn

2003-10-11, 08:09 AM

If a particular site has 1,000 of YOUR pics break it up into 50 free sites :D

LilBiggz

2003-10-11, 08:14 AM

That's what I'm going to do with the few I have.
Probably ad a few more banners and links as well.
(seeing how the rules are different for free sites)

JanTM

2003-10-11, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Surfn
If a particular site has 1,000 of YOUR pics break it up into 50 free sites :D

http://www.busty-blonde-pornstars.com/

Too much work breaking it up into free sites I think. Besides I already have 100+ free sites with the same pics promoting these huge AVS sites.

Surfn

2003-10-11, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by JanTM
http://www.busty-blonde-pornstars.com/

Too much work breaking it up into free sites I think. Besides I already have 100+ free sites with the same pics promoting these huge AVS sites. I've given you my thoughts on what to do. Good luck in whatever you choose. |rasta|

JanTM

2003-10-11, 08:44 AM

Don't get me wrong mate... I value any oppinion on what to do :)

Right now I'm just too irritated over this hole AVS deal. I'd wish they wake up and put CA back to the way it was before. I know thats not going to happen so a lot of work is about to go on the to-do list because of this.
I just want to be reasonably sure which way the wind blows before I start to do major changes... and breaking my huge sites up into small free sites seems like a major task. Maybe I just need to sleep on it
|zzzzzzzzz :)

MrMaryLou

2003-10-11, 09:27 AM

The worse case on all this if ya have a bunch of new free sites :)

amadman

2003-10-11, 12:31 PM

JanTM,

Why not just leave what you have and start something different.

The changes made may make it not worth creating more but your old site should still make sales if they were before.

fetish1

2003-10-11, 01:34 PM

Maybe I am not looking at this the same way others are...I agree what has happened stinks, and upsells are gonna be a bitch. I sell avs memberships. So I am not ready to tear my sites apart and lose those sales too when it's not necessary. Yet anyway. Perhaps things will continue to go on the decline for avs and we will see them come to an end, but at this point, there is still money to be made off the sites, and I can work on other things instead of backtracking to rebuild/take down all the avs I currently have up. The stench from this will fade just as the globill issue did, just as the $750 Visa charge did, and so many other things in the past....If cyberage had totally shut down I could see the rush to start ripping things apart, now imho it just means some adjusting. Ok don't shoot me for not getting on the BAN CA band wagon LOL Just my 2 cents on the whole thing.

stuveltje

2003-10-11, 02:44 PM

mmm i will step in avs, making my free in avs btw building already 2 avs linksites, if you dont try you never know|bananna|

susanna

2003-10-11, 03:01 PM

DO NOT change avs sites to freesites without huge ass modifications. One is removing most of the content. Two is looking at where you get traffic from and if you can do fpa's and such. There is much modification to be done.

Why would it be a good idea to even leave 30 pictures on a free site? You should have very few freesites with 30 pictures feeding a hub full of freesites with beautiful ads and a few (like 2) samples... link it all well...

I cannot believe that everyone wants to build build build and NEVER renew and review what they have already. Way less effort to review and update sponsors and make something out of something then to start all over as things change.

Maybe this is the first time you all have even considered this? I dunno but I have done this kind of thing 2 times a year. I always ask what exactly is in it for me in every affiliate situation.

Ask yourself that too. There was already one person who said "so what about the changes" he sends his own traffic. Bottom line is avs no longer sends you traffic no matter if it is cyberage or anyone else. Your content boosts their paysite content... full stop.

cheeky

2003-10-11, 06:38 PM

A Hookers Porn List is undergoing major changes and when they are complete will be pulling all Cyberage sites... UGAS will be next when they have made those changes too being as they are part of TTI

However I will gladly accept all SexPicturesPass sites along with a few others who are still sending me good hits and sales :)

It has always been a way with me that to diversify is the way to go.... I will continue to work that way especially when it comes to making $$$

Gaymanlinks.com and MMF-Sex.com I will be removing Cyberage site from those lists also later today during my updates....

I'll have to frequent the boards more often, but I've had my head buried in work and we're packing to move....

baddog

2003-10-11, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by cheeky
However I will gladly accept all SexPicturesPass sites along with a few others who are still sending me good hits and sales :)

|smooch| thank you

cheeky

2003-10-11, 08:33 PM

Hi baddog,

I'll be changing all my cyberage sites over to SPP in the coming week - got to squeeze that onto my to do list but it shouln't take long and I'm sure once Cyberage starts receiving emails letting them know that webmasters are pulling their sites they may start to feel a little pressure.

Thanks baddog

|smooch|

baddog

2003-10-11, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by cheeky
Hi baddog,

I'll be changing all my cyberage sites over to SPP in the coming week - got to squeeze that onto my to do list but it shouln't take long and I'm sure once Cyberage starts receiving emails letting them know that webmasters are pulling their sites they may start to feel a little pressure.

Thanks baddog

|smooch|

so, you are just using me? okay. |bananna|

cheeky

2003-10-11, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by baddog
so, you are just using me? okay. |bananna|

Who me???

Nope just haven't had a chance to change them before this and now its a very good reason to :)

|smooch|

NotThatKevin

2003-10-11, 11:05 PM

I started my first free site about 6 months ago and it is working very well for sales to my pay sites.

JanTM you can setup ssi to pull in your AVS signup page so that when you want to switch to another one it is simple. Just a thought.

Kush

2003-10-12, 04:36 AM

It would be interesting to see a CyberAge response to this thread.

cheeky

2003-10-12, 04:57 AM

Hi Kush,

It would be interesting to see Cyberage's response indeed....

maybe Greenguy or Jim can persuade them to appear on this board as well....

Greenguy

2003-10-12, 07:08 AM

I posted on their board after I found out about it:

http://www.avsprograms.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1015&

They never replied directly to me on the board, but I did get a PM from them asking what it would take to make things right. I told them 2 simple things:

1 - get rid of the FPA
2 - get rid of the new windows

They have yet to reply to my last message, so who knows what they are thinking.

It looks like the big AVS's are going the way of the dodo bird. I just hope the smaller ones that are stil up & running don't end up like GloBil.

Kush

2003-10-12, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Greenguy
They have yet to reply to my last message, so who knows what they are thinking.

They're probably doing some serious RE-thinking of their plan...

So many things in this industry spiral into larger things beyond belief... and maybe they're starting to feel this way

Kush

2003-10-12, 06:16 PM

Damn that's one ugly thread over that AVS board....

glad I never really ventured much into AVS |skull|

DangerDave

2003-10-12, 08:15 PM

THIS IS OPINION ONLY!

I believe most AVS's will be gone shortly... based on the simple fact that the model is not sustainable under the new Visa rules, that require the "biller" to 'own' the content they supply.

Some of the larger AVS's are trying things to get around the rules, but I do not believe that any of them are sustainable.

CA said
As of right now, I can't speak for the future, since they can change their minds whenever they wish, but they are happy with this model. eg: tommorrow it could all change again.

I would not be moving sites from one AVS to another on the word of the recieving AVS saying that there is no problem.. There is a problem and they just arent doing anything about it.

I believe you should look for a longer term solution.. unles you are structured to change your AVS site scripts in a very easy fashion, and wish to do it regularly.

DD

Cleo

2003-10-12, 08:32 PM

I agree with DD. :(

Time to move on to other means of sales.

Surfn

2003-10-12, 08:59 PM

I'm glad to see that others share my view |rasta|

Kush

2003-10-12, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Cleo
I agree with DD. :(

Time to move on to other means of sales.

One of the downsides, however, will be a greater saturation of free sites now that AVS has taken a turn for the worse, which on average will probably mean less average profit per free site :(

Cleo

2003-10-12, 09:48 PM

I don't think it can get any worse then what can be found at any big TGP.

Kush

2003-10-12, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Cleo
I don't think it can get any worse then what can be found at any big TGP.

ditto.

Free sites will always be more profitable than galleries (at least in my opinion)

KCat

2003-10-13, 12:51 AM

I love the AVS model, but when you take away (or greatly diminish) the upsells, you might as well just build free sites that sell the sponsors directly.

I'm not buying the whole "exposing members to the great bonus content will boost retention" theory. Good paysites have higher quantity & quality of content, so why make 'em jump through the hoops? |sad|

Kush

2003-10-13, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by KCat
I love the AVS model, but when you take away (or greatly diminish) the upsells, you might as well just build free sites that sell the sponsors directly.

I'm not buying the whole "exposing members to the great bonus content will boost retention" theory. Good paysites have higher quantity & quality of content, so why make 'em jump through the hoops? |sad|

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