Just passed the $1000 mark...

[Alphawolf]

Purely on Free Sites, sponsor content and typically 18 link lists I just passed $1000.

So, it's out there if ya want it.

|thumb

[ponygirl]

congrats! an inspiration to all newbies
|bananna|
can I ask how long did it take & how many freesites have you built so far to get you there?

wishing you (and me haha) many more!

Ponygirl

[pood]

good job!

I haven't gotten to that point yet

I think I've gotten to about $800 now from free sites

but I finalyl did get past the $1000 mark/week, wohoooo!!!

|bananna| |bananna| |roses| |bananna| |roses| |bananna| |bananna|

[grzepa]

Congrats Alphawolf - quite a nice amount :)

@ponygirl: browse around, there are some threads describing Alphawolfs free site adventures :)

[ponygirl]

grzepa - thx, I will! :)

[Alphawolf]

Amount of time is a poor indicator 'cos I did 1 free site and sat and watched things for a solid week.

1st free site was submitted 8/20 and the next weren't until 8 days later.

I have 23 free sites in total.

Almost half of that amount has come in the last 2 weeks. This past week i have been working on other projects and made no free sites. :(

I'm seeing the 'snowball effect' of having a bunch of sites listed.

$470 of that has come in the last 2 weeks.

I have some stinker sites and I have some sites that sell well.

4 sales have come from 1 paysite that has converted 1:97 for me this week (so far).
It's good to have a spread of niches.

I did double up in promoting sites that tended to have better ratios.

Comparing my 1st few sites to my style now it's very obvious regarding the changes.

I was a little weak sales wide initially.

I was selling the free tour initially.

Now I sell the backend and I GET IN THE SURFER'S FACE.

They are getting free porn. I want something in return. I'm not shy about giant ass fonts sizes anymore. :)

I added several more LL's that rank well in Google/Yahoo.

I made a mistake and made 3 free sites for a new paysite that was untested. Just because I liked the content doesn't mean others will. Bad conversions with that site.

BTW, this certainly isn't a brag at all. I'm 1:770 overall so it's quite mediocre on my part. And I guess that is why I'm posting.

Even with mediocre->poor conversions you should be able to make good money after plugging away for a few months.

When you add in smart TGP traffic and have a nicely developed hub in addition to plugging away on free sites there's little excuse not to make money.

I saw a post a while ago on another board froma guy who claimed to be doing free sites for 2 years and couldn't make $2k/mo or something like this.

Some people just aren't cut out to do this.

I continue to learn and pick up little nuggets of info here and there. I've reached a point where I must buy some content.

As I learn what tends to sell better for me I can attack that and make multiple free sites for that paysite and really milk it.

But on your typical 1 free site per day with mediorce conversions anyone should be able to do OK in this biz.

Of course, the goal is to increase my ratios (which I am doing) and branch out to TGP - which I have the info for.

Sex Sells. :D

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by ponygirl
grzepa - thx, I will! :)

It's this post:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11574

[pood]

I don't think yo ucan make a living just off of freesites, well rarely do unless you've been doing forever


I think its about....

making freesites, submitting gallerys, owning a few large sites like a TGP or linklist.

if you can do all of that each day....

well, it's what I'm planning to do

[GunnCat]

Is that per week Dean?

[swedguy]

Originally posted by pood
I don't think yo ucan make a living just off of freesites, well rarely do unless you've been doing forever You can definitely live just of free sites.

Congrats Alpha |thumb

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by GunnCat
Is that per week Dean?

Not yet- should be soon though. $1k/week with just 23 free sites isn't realistic. ;)

Averaged $252.50 per week past 2 weeks. Conversions have gone up some...and each week is getting better than the last.

Sweet- just made another sale.

It definitly gets easier as time goes on and you have data that let's ya know what sites sell better than others.

BTW, I haven't gotten around to promoting your site yet, man. Sorry. Will do as soon as I can. |thumb

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by swedguy
You can definitely live just of free sites.

Congrats Alpha |thumb

Depending where you live it is possible over time.

But why limit yourself to just free sites?

It's always good to branch out and get traffic from different sources. :)

It doesn't matter what else is going on (for the most part) it takes just 1.5hrs to make a good free site and submit. Perhaps a bit less/more.

Next week it's time to start getting content and invest in TGP.

[Alphawolf]

BTW, my goal is a very reasonable $1500-$2000/mo by beginning of 2005. That's 2.5 months...

I'm now debt free and in the process of getting my Florida real estate license.

I'm priming myself to make the move down there and be in the best possible conditions to make some good accomplishments in real estate.

So, I'll be doing real estate which offers a flexible schedule and I'll have the adult stuff to 'fall back on'. LOL.

BTW, I am just mentioning free sites only...not things like AEBN which covers my monthly hosting and then some.

The point of this post is to show what can be done with the cost of hosting only.

There are a lot of claims out there...on various boards.

As you can see this claim is nothing special. If it was- I wouldn't post it. ;)

I know I'm a real guy and quite honest on the boards. I did nothing this week in adult. I have $260 and still time to go tonight. $260 for no work is good no matter where you are. :D

Maybe next year it will be $2600/wk. I won't be postin' none of those numbers. ;)

I'm using the little profits I got to re-invest into TGP partner accounts and content.

You can only get so far on freebie stuff. But it should be enough to 'get serious' as far as affiliates go...

PS- I will be pushing about 55GB's of BW this month. That's the bad part about getting a couple sites rated 3 on PB / WP and 6 others at 4.

[Tommy]

Alphawolf.....you keep knocking those sites out

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!

[msanchez]

Congrats Alpha Wolf. your posts are always an inspiration and filled with real world knowledge.

Keep up the good work

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Tommy
Alphawolf.....you keep knocking those sites out

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!

Tommy, you are by far my #1 traffic source. So, thank you. |shake|

I think you stated I could submit 4/day to you and I wasn't sure how to take advantage of that.

I'll be expanding my LL recips quite a bit.

Time to get more serious because I can see the potential down the road. |santa|

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by msanchez
Congrats Alpha Wolf. your posts are always an inspiration and filled with real world knowledge.

Keep up the good work

Well, not always. I like to have my fun here too. :D

But I learned *everything* here and feel it's only right to "give back" whether it's factual info, opinions or inspiration.

|shake|

[coatsy]

Congrats Alpha Wolf !!

Alpha Wolf you talk about buying content, may I ask what for ? to create a paysite ?

Also I dissagree with you that you can only go so far on 'freebie' content, pick the right sponsors and many paysite webmasters these days will allow you a pass to their sites to pick any content you like. Many many webmasters have made an excellent living for years including myself from just using content that sponsors provide

[Tommy]

Alphawolf, coatsy is right. Try to keep expenses down and yes you can submit 4 a day

and its my pleasure to link a honest submitter

[Carl]

What kind of taxes do you have to pay on that $1000.00

[Alphawolf]

coatsy: True. But free content dictates which sponsors I use and to a large extent what sites I can promote.

I have always tried to pick only the best free content and always edit sets to delete something a bit fuzzy or just not the better of the pics.

There are a couple more sites I can get out of good free content.

I'll keep the costs down. No worries there.

Tommy: You'll see me taking advantage of that in the coming weeks. |thumb

[msanchez]

What kind of taxes do you have to pay on that $1000.00

Im gonna guess 30% but of course that is very open to interpretation ;)

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Carl
What kind of taxes do you have to pay on that $1000.00

Too much. I try to withold 33%. I'll be having a lot of expenses soon though. In fact, I need to talk to my accountant....

msanchez: Yeah- I was told a long time ago as a 1099 to just figure on 33% and go with deductions from there.

[amadman]

Wtg Alfawolf.

You are growing up fast!

[pood]

Originally posted by msanchez
Im gonna guess 30% but of course that is very open to interpretation ;)

wo, what the heck 30%?


http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=109877,00.html

[msanchez]

I would go with the IRS sheet over my guess anyday lol

Someone needs to get their accountant on here and post about tax stuff.

Thanks for the link

[Alphawolf]

That is just Federal.

http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/article.cfm/objectID/FE1875A0-239D-48E5-B7D2565E0CB62159

I'll be incorporating soon and try to be like GG and not make any money. ;)

[Osiris]

Congrats Alpha!!

[pood]

Originally posted by msanchez
I would go with the IRS sheet over my guess anyday lol

Someone needs to get their accountant on here and post about tax stuff.

Thanks for the link


hmm, what would the PRO of incorporating?

wouldn't you be doubled taxed?

ie. getting taxed for your corp then getting taxed again personally.

[KCat]

Kick ass, AW! I have no idea why so many people start off with TGPing & run up huge hosting bills when the learning curve for free sites is so much more forgiving. I'm starting to sell the site more on my free sites too, rather than just getting them to click. Haven't been building as steadily as I should be, but so far the results look promising!

|bananna|

[Linkster]

pood - Im not an IRS expert - but I do know that you can have certain types of partnership corporations where your income form the biz is set against your personal income and you can take so many biz deductions that you can come out taking a loss on your biz and not pay anything - all depends on your individual situation

Also - your comment about not being able to make a living off free sites is definitely out there - I know of many people that are making way more than their old corporate jobs just doing free sites - of course theyve been doing it for 8 months now :)


Alphawolf - definitely take advantage of getting the sponsors to let you into the sites to choose your own content - it will usually be a little better than the "provided content" on the outside and in a lot of cases will get listed a lot better and at more LLs :)

[ngb1959]

Hi Alphawolf:

Congrats to your on your sales! Pumping iron and pumping sales - what more could you ask for?

I must have the wrong sponsor. I have been promoting Flashcash for six months now and maybe made 15 sales total. I just started promoting For The Girls and got two sales in two days.

Do you like Pimproll and can I sign up under you if so?

Let me know.

Thanks.

Nina

[Alphawolf]

Nina,

I love Pimproll. They send out checks weekly and have a support message board.

Pimproll has been my exclusive sponsor to date. All of my free sites to date promote 1 sponsor- Pimproll.

That will change soon, but they are always adding sites, new tours, etc...

They just bought some AVS thingy I don't understand yet. IT was owned by ARS. You can like build your own tours.

It's not fully under PimpRoll yet, but will be soon.

They have a lot fo good free content. Especially if you can take the bandwidth bill of movies.

I just got my check from them. They're a great sponsor.

Join and I'll see ya on their message board. |thumb Join link is below. Thx. ;)

[Dagwolf]

From one wolf to another.. Good job. :) It sounds like you're on the right track.

[Alphawolf]

Thanks, man. Yes...that's just it. It's a start.

My figures were a tad off. I just got my check and I thought I made just $245 2 weeks ago, but it is $280.

So past 2 weeks has been $540.

Made another sale today.

Long live porn!

|bananna|

[Dagwolf]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Thanks, man. Yes...that's just it. It's a start.

My figures were a tad off. I just got my check and I thought I made just $245 2 weeks ago, but it is $280.

So past 2 weeks has been $540.

Made another sale today.

Long live porn!

|bananna|

Now if you could only stop that compulsive email-checking and message-board reading ... ;)

[Alphawolf]

I can multitask.

It doesn't eat into 'productive time'.

[Tuna]

Congrats. we are always looking for honest submitters on my lists. submit away

[Opti]

just a thought..

You like writing and analysing your results (and do a good job of it)


You might make some money for yourself with this work too... if you make a blog and post the bulk of your info there too.

Maybe even linking to and from your threads here quoting the discussion.

[Blue_Spade]

Originally posted by Opti
just a thought..

You like writing and analysing your results (and do a good job of it)


You might make some money for yourself with this work too... if you make a blog and post the bulk of your info there too.

Maybe even linking to and from your threads here quoting the discussion.

Yup - opti just gave you a good idea . . . so many of us are just too lazy, too busy, or too secretive! You have a gift of putting your stuff out in the open. You should take better advantage of that.

Iggysick comes to mind with his tutorial - and now he is parlaying it into very nice success. You could do the same.

I know that I would stop by and read . . . always like to see things from another set of eyeballs!

Keep up the good work.

[Alphawolf]

Thanks for the complimets guys.

You gave me something to think about.

;)

[Tev]

Originally posted by pood
hmm, what would the PRO of incorporating?

wouldn't you be doubled taxed?

ie. getting taxed for your corp then getting taxed again personally.

Linkster is right, there are many good reasons to incorporate. While you are working on your social you are paying taxes on every dime.

I have an "S" corp and while I do pay personal income tax as well as corporate tax, the two combined do not come near what they would be as a sole propieter.

Find a good tax person that can explain it to you. It is worth the time and effort.

[iggysick]

WTG Alphawolf! |bananna|

Do your own blog and you got one bookmarker from Croatia! |shake|

[Alphawolf]

Thanks, man. I quite like your tuts and read the latest entries. Keep it up. |thumb

[Lunatic]

I saw you used only 55 gigs of bandwidth and figured I'd better make some free sites and see what I can do. I'm not making as much profit as I would like with the TGP traffic alone, and I've already used 600 gigs of bandwidth this month. What link lists send a good amount of traffic and will list a noob?

[Alphawolf]

600GB? Ouch.

All LL are friendly to noobs if you follow the rules. :)

tommys-bookmarks.com

penisbot.com

jays-xxx-links.com

link-o-rama.com

wetplace.com

smutgremlins.com

hoes.com

**************.com

sexysites.com

sextoplist.com

richards-realm.com

jk-porn.com

outlawsporn.com

linkforsex.com

megapornlinks.com

adult-list.com

freesitexxx.com

cleos-porn-links.com

smutlinks.net

link-fabulous.com

adultlinkpost.com

...are good places to start and there are plenty more out there. ;)

Good luck!

[Lunatic]

Great.
Thanks for your help. ;)

[sake]

I needed some inspiration about free site building because I'm new to freesites as well. I need to change the niche I submit to as well.

Alphawolf, your posts rock |bananna|

[JohnnyRS]

Congrats!!!

I remember when I was working on sites in 98 to 99 when I finally made my max of $1,500 per month by making free sites, avs's, and tgps. Don't make the mistake like I did and slack off. I thought I knew everything and didn't change accordingly with the market. PLus I took over a year off. Now I barely make $100 a month from my pages. That's why I'm here so I can learn from the best. Good luck and continue making more!! You just made me feel better that I can get back what I once had and more.

[KCat]

Originally posted by JohnnyRS
Congrats!!!

I remember when I was working on sites in 98 to 99 when I finally made my max of $1,500 per month by making free sites, avs's, and tgps. Don't make the mistake like I did and slack off. I thought I knew everything and didn't change accordingly with the market. PLus I took over a year off. Now I barely make $100 a month from my pages. That's why I'm here so I can learn from the best. Good luck and continue making more!! You just made me feel better that I can get back what I once had and more.

Welcome! This is a great place to learn. It's refreshing to see honest webmasters rather than all the "I convert 1:20 on TGP traffic & drive a Ferrari" types that frequent other boards. And who, of course, actually live with their mothers. ;)

[Blue_Spade]

Originally posted by KCat
Welcome! This is a great place to learn. It's refreshing to see honest webmasters rather than all the "I convert 1:20 on TGP traffic & drive a Ferrari" types that frequent other boards. And who, of course, actually live with their mothers. ;)

Okay okay okay - so I convert at 1:40 and drive a porsche . . . shoot me!

Just kiddin and KCat has it right - this is the best place around to figure out what the hell you are going to do to pay the rent check! Read up and people like Alphawolf will make it all worth your while.

[Pusher]

Originally posted by Linkster
pood - Im not an IRS expert - but I do know that you can have certain types of partnership corporations where your income form the biz is set against your personal income and you can take so many biz deductions that you can come out taking a loss on your biz and not pay anything - all depends on your individual situation

Also - your comment about not being able to make a living off free sites is definitely out there - I know of many people that are making way more than their old corporate jobs just doing free sites - of course theyve been doing it for 8 months now :)


Alphawolf - definitely take advantage of getting the sponsors to let you into the sites to choose your own content - it will usually be a little better than the "provided content" on the outside and in a lot of cases will get listed a lot better and at more LLs :)


I'm not an IRS expert either, but I did do some research before incorporating, and you can apply for a 'Type-S' corporation, which,
as Linkster said lets you pass through your income after biz deductions to your personal income tax return. Depending on your situation, you could also divide up the income among other family members...

here's a link to some useful info...
http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq-kw186.html

[BigBling]

This is a GREAT thread! Congrats Alphawolf!

[Opti]

Originally posted by BigBling
This is a GREAT thread! Congrats Alphawolf!

Is that you Jim?

[BigBling]

But of course!

[noooze]

congratz on the 1 k $ mark

I just passed the 1 k $ mark myself and is now going for the gold ( 2 k $ a month )