Don't You TGPOWNERS Want To Stop Being Screwed?

[Garou]

It would be funny if it were not so sad.
Why do You give away partner accounts? Do You want cheaters to earn money on that?
I KNOW HUNDREDS of cheaters who buy-sell partner accounts. That is stupid! Today partner accounts on TGPs HELP CHEATERS EARN MONEY.
There is a huge market of partner account trade - they are being sold out in PACKAGES. ALL major TGPs are there. There are firm prices etc. And who buys them? "Webmasters" who use exploits, redirects and other shit on their galleries. That IS SAD and that is unfair to the ones who spend time and money to gain skills in gallery building.
Don't You see the solution?

[Surfn]

I don't have that problem. My TGPs are closed to public submits :D

[Garou]

Originally posted by Surfn
I don't have that problem. My TGPs are closed to public submits :D

No public submit? Then You have either partner submits or list FHGs or grab galleries from other tgps. All these solutions are not the best as i see it

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Garou
No public submit? Then You have either partner submits or list FHGs or grab galleries from other tgps. All these solutions are not the best as i see it Please enlighten me :)

[Greenguy]

Dare I ask what the solution is? :)

[Garou]

Originally posted by Surfn
Please enlighten me :)

:) I won't. Cuz if You do not allow public submits Youdo not have problems with cheaters. That is ur way. But a lot of TGPs still accept partners nd close their eyes on cheats...

[Garou]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Dare I ask what the solution is? :)

Yes. You are free to ask. Ask.


|rasta|

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Garou
:) I won't. Cuz if You do not allow public submits Youdo not have problems with cheaters. That is ur way. But a lot of TGPs still accept partners nd close their eyes on cheats... Can you give me a few examples of big tgps that you know ARE being screwed please. :)

[Garou]

Originally posted by Surfn
Can you give me a few examples of big tgps that you know ARE being screwed please. :)

Can You please give examples of big tgps that You know ARE NOT being screwed? Cuz this list will be much shorter.

Name a TGP and i will provide a price for the partner account on a "shadow market".

You know why i started the thread? Cuz it made harm to me and i am surprised that tgp owners are so blind...

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Garou
Can You please give examples of big tgps that You know ARE NOT being screwed? Cuz this list will be much shorter.

Name a TGP and i will provide a price for the partner account on a "shadow market".

You know why i started the thread? Cuz it made harm to me and i am surprised that tgp owners are so blind... What good are these, so called "shadow market" partner accounts when we can blacklist them with one click? Do you think we allow partners to flood us with tons of bullshit?

How long have you been operating a tgp, if I may ask?

[Pornstar Dames]

As long as your careful who you give them too they help keep the cheats out they certainly dont help them.

[RawAlex]

I believe the answer to the "how to make it better" will be to only accept his gallery making people so that he can scrape them for 50% of the revenue.

But I could be wrong... |jester|

Alex

[Useless]

I just hope the Russian version of his site is better than the English.

[Garou]

Originally posted by Surfn
What good are these, so called "shadow market" partner accounts when we can blacklist them with one click? Do you think we allow partners to flood us with tons of bullshit?

How long have you been operating a tgp, if I may ask?


There is no sense in partner accounts today cuz anyone can buy them and submit anything. That is the truth. ANYONE can obtain accounts for Shemp, Pichunter, Al4a, Madthumbs etc. Every account has it's own price. There are "webmasters" who earn money on reselling partner accounts only. I was shocked but this is how things are going and something must be done about that...

[Garou]

Originally posted by RawAlex
I believe the answer to the "how to make it better" will be to only accept his gallery making people so that he can scrape them for 50% of the revenue.

But I could be wrong... |jester|

Alex

How many gallery mking ppl can You find? How many content etc will You need? That will be a head ache

[Garou]

Originally posted by Useless Warrior
I just hope the Russian version of his site is better than the English.

Yes, we have the russian version cuz one of the partners is from russia and i must say they are honest and work hard. We are not widely open to western webmasters cuz need to have some more thing done

[DangerDave]

Hahahaha this thread gets my vote for the useless thread of the month...

Is it spam or an ethereal discussion about TGP ethics...? either way........

DD

[Stouch]

Originally posted by DangerDave
Hahahaha this thread gets my vote for the useless thread of the month...

Is it spam or an ethereal discussion about TGP ethics...? either way........

DD

Its neither. What he is saying is a warning to all sites that use partnership systems. Your partner accounts may be being resold to cheaters, so dont think that working on partner only is foolproof.

Shemp has replied on another board to this and has stated that he has found 17 occasions this year where Shemp partner accounts are being resold.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Stouch
Its neither. What he is saying is a warning to all sites that use partnership systems. Your partner accounts may be being resold to cheaters, so dont think that working on partner only is foolproof.

Shemp has replied on another board to this and has stated that he has found 17 occasions this year where Shemp partner accounts are being resold. Shemp is a member of this board and could comment here if he wanted to.

[Stouch]

Dude, I am using it as a point in case, not quoting on someone elses behalf. Im really quite surprised I have to explain something like that.

[Surfn]

I'm really surprised you think we are that stupid.

[Stouch]

Ok thats a fair point, but judging by some of the replies in this thread....

The guy raised a serious issue which quickly descended into a piss take on his English & his business plan. Therefore I thought it fair to acknowledge what he was saying on the off chance that the piss-takers didnt quite grasp it. Hence I used DD's post for emphasis & quoted Shemps post on another board as people respect him in the TGP world.

Its the easiest thing in the world to just jump on people on a message board, but there was a quite valid message beneath the broken English in this instance.

[Surfn]

I guess you do :D

[Stouch]

But only when necessary ;)

[Garou]

I have to repeat what was said on Shemps board. The best solution is domain/email/user/pass verification (not email/user/pass only). But it's quite rare to see it working on many tgps. Let's take pichunter or free6 - they got TONS of galleries redirecting traffic, etc, even though they have set up partner based submissions. Their surfers often get into trouble after clicking on the link to a gallery. When i tried to surf some major tgps guess what i got? Even good AV software won't help.
If only all tgps did set up domain verification "the world would be safer" (J.Buch). I think it's time to say that to AG team... I will raise the problem discussion on their board.

I had to face this problem when some hackers sniffed my passwords - i had to explain that thing to sveral tgp owners but not all of them believe that. Alas. The ones who spend their time andmoney, hardworking tgp owners and gallery builders, both are getting screwed...

PS
If any of english speaking webmasters would like to help us with the language and represent us on boards etc - welcome :-) We'll be public soon (I AM NOT SPAMMING - just answering about my "bad english" or smth). I speak french and chinese btw, so i assume my lang skills are not the worst out there ;-)

[Surfn]

I am going to require DNA samples be included with your correct and verifiable home address, your parents names, your bank/CC numbers, etc. from now on.

[Useless]

I just thought I'd take a moment to say that my English comment has nothing to do the man's posts here, but is a comment about his website. Hell, the later it gets, them more broken my English becomes on these boards.

If this is such a big issue that everyone knows about, why hasn't anyone posted the url of these markets? You all seem to realize that it is unethical, but you aren't willing to help bring it out of the shadows.

[Stouch]

I would like to find out more about these shadow markets too, but I think if Garou pm's it to people it may be better as the cheats will just realise their info is posted on a public board and go elsewhere. There is one TGP in particular that I would like to find out more about as I tend to give partnerships to people who have partner there.

[Ramster]

Ok I'll play along even though I'm sitting in a hotel room a little hung over. :)

At first you said TGPs having partner accounts is not smart. Like already asked, what the heck is the solution then? Have no accounts and no public submits? How do we get galleries?

I have found people with more than one account at my TGP and banned them of course but the reality IS partner accounts at the best way to go No Question.

[Garou]

1. I will not post any urls here cuz i don't want to carry the risk and there will be no much harm to that "business"
2. Partner accounts is a very good thing to go with BUT only if every partners account is assigned to a specific domain. Thus f i have partner account for domainblabla.com i have no option of posting from another domain. (Check out pichunter - the silliest thing ever is to allow posting from multiple domains which are not specified at all. Cheaters just allow others to use those accounts for money cuz they don't build 5 galleries a day and thus hav the free spots or even worse - they make this kind of ads: "I am selling accounts on : pichunter (5 galleries a day), the shemp (3 galleries a day). Even if You post redirect You will earn much more then those $500 You spend on these accounts....").
Nowadays partner accounts do not only fail to prevent from cheating but also allow cheaters to earn huge $$$. There are ppl who are doing only 1 thing - getting partner accounts in order to sell them. This brings them more than 1 grant a month. Much more...

Isn't it really simple to assign partner accounts to speific domains?

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by Stouch
Its neither. What he is saying is a warning to all sites that use partnership systems. Your partner accounts may be being resold to cheaters, so dont think that working on partner only is foolproof.

Shemp has replied on another board to this and has stated that he has found 17 occasions this year where Shemp partner accounts are being resold.

So what exactly is the point of this thread...

IF a TGP has people selling their partner accounts.. then that is THEIR problem... to deal with.

I am sure Shemp and others are on top of this..

I don't see where this has anything to do with Garou and what he is possibly saying.

Arguing that partner accounts are to blame or are flawed is just not correct.

DD

[KCat]

He's making a good point, but should've said it in the original post.

To prevent cheating/selling of partner accounts, they should include:

name
email
domain(s)

[Trev]

Originally posted by KCat
He's making a good point, but should've said it in the original post.

To prevent cheating/selling of partner accounts, they should include:

name
email
domain(s)

But that would kill all of the drama...

my favorite post....

Yes. You are free to ask. Ask.|violin|

[Garou]

Originally posted by Trev
But that would kill all of the drama...

my favorite post....

|violin|

that was a joke. I am sorry if You thought that i really meant that.


|waves|

|smooch|

[Garou]

Originally posted by KCat
He's making a good point, but should've said it in the original post.

To prevent cheating/selling of partner accounts, they should include:

name
email
domain(s)

yep, this thought came to me after i've started the thread. Anyways it needs to be discussed. At the moment i do not see any cons, pros only.

[KCat]

Originally posted by Trev
But that would kill all of the drama...


lol

True, but that's the thing I love most about GG&J. It's been a little elevated the last few days, but it's usually blissfully drama free over here. |greenguy|

[Surfn]

Originally posted by KCat
lol

True, but that's the thing I love most about GG&J. It's been a little elevated the last few days, but it's usually blissfully drama free over here. |greenguy| Drama, what drama? ;)

[KCat]

Originally posted by Surfn
Drama, what drama? ;)

Don't you start with me now! You'll get a spanking. |whip|

[Surfn]

Originally posted by KCat
Don't you start with me now! You'll get a spanking. |whip| Yummy |bananna|

[Greenguy]

Piss (aka drama) is good for a board :D

[Ramster]

Ok, I appreciate you posting info like this as I'm sure things will be looked at closely as they already are.

You should have started this post out differently to make things easier for people to follow along, that accounts are being sold.

Can a partner account be used for only One Domain? NO!!!
Why?
I personally make galleries and I push bigtits, pornstars, cumshots, babes and milf or teen occasionally. I'm not going to use one of my pornstar domains for a cumshot gallery. The root of each domain (for curious surfers) is geared towards the niche I promote as is the domain itself.

[selena]

I really don't think he's suggesting that partners only be able to submit using one domain.

But rather a scenario where you'd be allowed...say...10 domains per partner account, and you would have to have the domains more or less registered with the TGP, if that makes sense. If your submits weren't coming from one of those pre-approved domains, then you couldn't submit. The TGP owner is able, that way, to check whois, etc, on every domain you that will be coming in under your partner account before they are an approved domain.

My take on it, anyways.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by selena
I really don't think he's suggesting that partners only be able to submit using one domain.

But rather a scenario where you'd be allowed...say...10 domains per partner account, and you would have to have the domains more or less registered with the TGP, if that makes sense. If your submits weren't coming from one of those pre-approved domains, then you couldn't submit. The TGP owner is able, that way, to check whois, etc, on every domain you that will be coming in under your partner account before they are an approved domain.

My take on it, anyways. 10 domains? No way! That's just begging to get cheated. |sad|

[Garou]

Originally posted by selena
I really don't think he's suggesting that partners only be able to submit using one domain.

But rather a scenario where you'd be allowed...say...10 domains per partner account, and you would have to have the domains more or less registered with the TGP, if that makes sense. If your submits weren't coming from one of those pre-approved domains, then you couldn't submit. The TGP owner is able, that way, to check whois, etc, on every domain you that will be coming in under your partner account before they are an approved domain.

My take on it, anyways.

|smooch|

[selena]

Originally posted by Surfn
10 domains? No way! That's just begging to get cheated. |sad|



I used 10 as an example. He never said that in any post, that I can see.

[selena]

Originally posted by Garou
|smooch|

;)

Fyi, I just got a new partner account at a stockings site. They do as you suggest...I had to give them 3 domains when I signed up, and those are the only 3 I can use to submit.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by selena
I used 10 as an example. He never said that in any post, that I can see. I didn't quote him I quoted you.

[Garou]

Originally posted by selena
;)

Fyi, I just got a new partner account at a stockings site. They do as you suggest...I had to give them 3 domains when I signed up, and those are the only 3 I can use to submit.

Aha, i've spoken to several tgp owners and they agreed. It may solve their problems and problems of honest submitters. And it's simple to set up

[selena]

Originally posted by Surfn
I didn't quote him I quoted you.



That is true, you did. And as I said in the other post, I used the number 10 as an example. It could just as well have been 2 or 22.

[selena]

Originally posted by Garou
Aha, i've spoken to several tgp owners and they agreed. It may solve their problems and problems of honest submitters. And it's simple to set up


I guess I just don't get how a problem is being solved. I follow you...I followed you on the other board I saw this on. :)

But if I am the type to sell off part of my partner account, how is limiting my domains going to stop that? Say I request a partner account from you, and I say I will be using domainA, domainB, and domainC. You check the whois, and they all match and it all looks legit and you approve me.

Then I turn around and sell the domainB name or usage rights of it to someone else.

So what is solved? And how is it solved?

I'm just asking rhetorically, you really don't have to answer. Or answer, and I'll read it whenver I look in again. :)

[Garou]

Originally posted by selena
I guess I just don't get how a problem is being solved. I follow you...I followed you on the other board I saw this on. :)

But if I am the type to sell off part of my partner account, how is limiting my domains going to stop that? Say I request a partner account from you, and I say I will be using domainA, domainB, and domainC. You check the whois, and they all match and it all looks legit and you approve me.

Then I turn around and sell the domainB name or usage rights of it to someone else.

So what is solved? And how is it solved?

I'm just asking rhetorically, you really don't have to answer. Or answer, and I'll read it whenver I look in again. :)

That's a good question. I guess now it'll be all clear.
This is how it's today:

CHEATER
-----------
He is hosting his domains on a redirect server etc. But he has no good galleries to apply for partner status (often they have samples though) cuz he is not into making good galleries, hosting them on a reliable server, buying content, etc. How can he be listed? The thing is that CHEATER earns A LOT on his traffic, but how can he get traffic without being a partner on tgps? The only thing he can do is to BUY an account from a reseller.

RESELLER
-------------
He has some content and good samples but he is not into routins of building galleries on a daily basis at all - no time, no skills, no will, etc
So he preferrs to apply for patner status (from multiple domains/emails etc). When he gets an account he finds CHEATER and sells him the account together with the email address.


After having bought an account for $250 CHEATER submits his galleries (3 galleries a day on big tgps!!!) and gets LOTS of traffic and earns $400 cuz his redirect is smart and he gets banned after more then 1 day listings.



TOTALSUM
-------------
RESELLER has got easy $250
CHEATER has got $400-$250=$150 of easy $$$
TGP OWNER got fooled
Honest submitter gets screwed cuz TGPOWNER wants free partner accounts no more etc.


HOW IT ALL COULD BE:

The partner account allowed posting from only 3 domains. All of them were precisely assigned to this account: domain1.com, domain2.com, domain3.com. The RESELLER showed samples from all of those domains, TPOWNER knows the whois and stuff.
But RESELLER gets fooled cuz he cannot sell the domain to a CHEATER, cuz CHEATER will have to buy RESELLER's domains and set up a redirect script on them (not simple htaccess things at all). This takes time etc, besides RESELLER is not willing to sell his domain - it's active, it has content on it, it's the domain he can apply for partner status with.

RESELLER has a partneraccount he cannot resell
CHEATER has got no traffic without partner accounts
TGP OWNER is happy
HONEST SUBMITTER is happy cuz TGPOWNER loves free partner accounts :-)

[Tommy]

this is bullshit

sort of funny how this thread comes on the back of that other cheater thread

[Garou]

Originally posted by Tommy
this is bullshit


no, it's not

[Tommy]

but why wouldnt the cheater buy the submit acccount straight from the tgp owner and cut out the reseller

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Garou
no, it's not Yes it is!

[Garou]

Originally posted by Tommy
but why wouldnt the cheater buy the submit acccount straight from the tgp owner and cut out the reseller


TGP cheaters don't tend to buy accounts from the tgp owners cuz they will have to use paypal, epassporte or cc BUT they either do not want to reveal their payment info or it's just not within their reach. And they are just not into having relations with tgp owners (how to pay, it it worth buying, etc) They prfer to have the guarantees from the RESELLER.

[Garou]

Originally posted by Surfn
Yes it is!

it is not |buddy|

[Useless]

All of this from a guy who can't understand the sig rules.

[Garou]

Originally posted by Useless Warrior
All of this from a guy who can't understand the sig rules.

ooops, sorry about that. Im gonna check it out now |couch|

Sorry, indeed|huh

[Kinky]

a cheat is a cheat is a cheat... partner accounts are a way to cut down on cheating... they will NOT stop it completely no matter what you do... even if you have your site 100% completely your own stuff people still rip you off... paid submits cut down on cheating and it gives the webmasters some reimbursment for the time they spend working against all the cheaters (time = money)

[klaus]

hmm,
looks for me like you wann make a big fast buck on your own blahhh.com programm.
And it also reads like you are a big buyer of Partner Accounts.

[the New Shemp]

sorry for the late bump on this...

yes, partners are not all honest and some do try to cheat or sell their free partner accounts to some poor smuck for a few $$$.

i use a whois check now for every submit and compare it to the info given to me by the partner when the account was approved..
that has helped a lot...but nothing is perfect...

[Garou]

Yep, it could help. Not perfect though |shake|

[koolkat]

I have a question here... why not have paid submitter accounts, one domain only, all info must verify. That way if they do sell it and get banned, then its going to cut into their profit somewhat!

[3xTom]

Nothing is fool proof, except the fool that says it is....
Anyone can be cheated
at antime
Even sites using only freehosted gallerys only will be cheated by
a sponsor at some point...
it may be something as simple as skiming sales

So there is one thing you can be totally sure of in this and really any buisness.....

YOU AND I WILL GET CHEATED

Its just something that we all have came to live and deal with..

Its terriably sad that this is even a topic that we have to deal with

But all we can do is work hard tring to make sure that our sites are as clean as we can make them....
for some its a script, for some its partner accounts, for some its a real live human hummmmm yeah some sites still use those... :)

Thats about all I got to say about it

[Garou]

hahaha

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?threadid=379591&s=

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Garou
hahaha

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?threadid=379591&s=

Why the hahaha? I don't think anyone doubted you that partner accounts get abused. You just never ever provided a better solution for anyone. All you did was say we were stupid for allowing partners. You'd prefer public submits instead?

Oh and that guy is the dumbest mutherfucker I've even seen. |jester|

[DangerDave]

Garou you still pushing this shit....? why? Was that "you" posting on GFY...?

Oh wait... thats right... we dont give a shit!!

DD

[Garou]

Originally posted by DangerDave
Garou you still pushing this shit....? why? Was that "you" posting on GFY...?

Oh wait... thats right... we dont give a shit!!

DD

|jester|
thanks for ur comments. It was just funny to me to see that post on gfy :) Some ppl contacted me on icq and sad that it was all nothing but my suspicion

sorry guys it just made me smile :)

[Cheerful1]

I guess I am stupid but through this whole thread the posts from the thread starter sound like a "use my product it will solve all your issues" one to me.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Trying to learn tgps.