Why now baned?

[Iceworld]

Hello!
Why now baned my domain with reason - hqhost?
Please show me rules where it's write?

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Iceworld
Hello!
Why now baned my domain with reason - hqhost?
Please show me rules where it's write? Let me guess, English is NOT your first language...

[Iceworld]

Yes, I am Russian

[swedguy]

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/search.php?s=&action=finduser&userid=2456

How much trouble can one person get into? :)

[Cleo]

There are a few things to look at when picking a host. Price is one of them, another even more important thing to look at is if they are on people's shit list for allowing their servers to host very question sites that often to do some very shady stuff.

I know English is not your first language so incase the above is a little hard to understand here is the short version.

HQHost is loved by the cheating fucks :(

[MrMaryLou]

I would say enough is enough with hqhost |skull|

[skygsi]

Unban my domain.
http://www.pornolymp.com
i'm not a cheater :) and never post bullshit.|angry|

[Greenguy]

There are a few hosts that are almost officially on my shitlist & hqhost is one of them.

I say "almost officially" because we're still adding domains.

[Maxline]

I've got a question to smilingpussylinks and other linklist owners. Will you list my new sites if i still use HQHOST?
my domain is "lotsofxxx4u.com"

GG, i still see my freesites at link-o-rama. I hope that you won't throw away those already submitted.

i don't want to change hosting, it's easier for me to stop submitting new sites to link-o-rama.

[SI]

Originally posted by Greenguy
There are a few hosts that are almost officially on my shitlist & hqhost is one of them.

I say "almost officially" because we're still adding domains.
Same for me...domain madskunk.com
Who else already have hqhost in their banlist? I mean WHOLE host not a few IPs.

[Surfn]

Unfortunately I'm considering it.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Maxline
GG, i still see my freesites at link-o-rama. I hope that you won't throw away those already submitted. We have about 2000 domaisn to search for inthe admin, so odds are we will eventually find & delete all the sites hosted on these hosts.

I know the "one bad apple" theory is a shit thing, but I'm getting sick & tired of seeing site after site on these hosts that do not follow the rules & try to fuck me over after they are listed.

[Cleo]

I'm also real close to doing a ban and delete of all sites on HQHost. :(

[Linkster]

I as well do not accept sites on hqhost - and its been in my rules for at least 6 months on the submit page - and I ban anyone that doesnt read my rules :)

[skygsi]

Cleo, u list all my last sites, they hosted by hqhost.and what? Why u ban ALL people on hqhost, cheaters and good webmasters .
you will lose MUCH freesites daily. It is necessary to you?|waves|

[skygsi]

Originally posted by Linkster
I as well do not accept sites on hqhost - and its been in my rules for at least 6 months on the submit page - and I ban anyone that doesnt read my rules :)

I sorry, but yours LL shit also do not give huge the traffic.
Now interestingly that will solve on this theme greengay, cleo and other large owners.
p.s. english not my first language :\

[Cleo]

Originally posted by skygsi
Cleo, u list all my last sites, they hosted by hqhost.and what? Why u ban ALL people on hqhost, cheaters and good webmasters .
you will lose MUCH freesites daily. It is necessary to you?|waves|
Because my time is worth a lot and I'm getting real sick of spending a bunch of it each day wadding through a sea of crap. If I just do a global ban of HQHost then I don't have to see it anymore.

When I do a lookup of sites that are hosted there I get all kinds of rape and incest sites or even worse. This is HQHost allowing this kind of stuff so maybe you should be asking them what the fuck is wrong with them. Don't even get me started about all the crap sites that I get from there that try to install shit and my computer.

[skygsi]

ok Cleo, if i change hosting u unban my domain or it's imposeble?

[Cleo]

Change hosts and then show me samples of your work.

I do not want to see sites of mommy is doing her son's friends or mommy is drunk and fucking everything.

[skygsi]

Change host at monday.
last work. three sample
http://www.pornolymp.com/chanel-amateur-hardcore/adult/
http://www.pornolymp.com/chole-amateur-porn/adult/
http://www.pornolymp.com/amateur-porn-movie/adult/

[SI]

Cheaters from around the world hosted their sites at hqhost? And then you baned hqhost, cheaters stoped their activity forever? No, they are change the host/ip's/dns and so on, it's common things for cheaters. Cheaters are cheating everywhere and forever. Baning host by host wrong way to stop a cheaters, but good method to make a big troubles for honest webmasters.
Just IMHO.

[Greenguy]

It may be a shit thing to ban an entire host, but try running a Link List before you make a judgement.

Every day I see scum bags submitting shit or redirecting them after the fact. I look on the whois & 9 times out of 10 it's the same 4 or 5 hosts.

So, instead of being fucked over by 100 people a week, my goal is to get it down to 10 people a week.

[MrMaryLou]

Hqhost seems to be a haven for cheaters |goodnight

[Cleo]

Originally posted by skygsi
Change host at monday.
last work. three sample
http://www.pornolymp.com/chanel-amateur-hardcore/adult/
http://www.pornolymp.com/chole-amateur-porn/adult/
http://www.pornolymp.com/amateur-porn-movie/adult/
I'm not crazy about the video grabs on that one gallery and everything is not in the same starting directory but I would probably list it in my Reality category seeing as I really do need more submits there.

Post a message when you are on a different host. :)

[Linkster]

Originally posted by skygsi
I sorry, but yours LL shit also do not give huge the traffic.
Now interestingly that will solve on this theme greengay, cleo and other large owners.
p.s. english not my first language :\

Thats interesting that you would know hom much traffic I send - since I have never listed any of your sites?
The only site you ever submitted to me was this one:
http://www.pornolymp.com/mature-porn/adult/
which also has the term "y*ung boys" which is also against my rules - and I was real close to reporting that site to an agency here for ch*ld porn because the sponsor was playing to ped*philes
Unless maybe you were submitting under other names or domains?

[skygsi]

2Cleo: Ok.
2linkster: i have few domain. Allways post with name : "skygsi".
U never send me desline or apruve :)
it's your choose.|potleaf|

[Linkster]

I dont send out approves/disapprove emails - and I had already banned almost all of the 599 other domains on your IP address for the same type of content and looks like they were all coming from the same "group" - Since the Ip was on Choopa and Hqhost it fell into the global ban that was done. Its a real shame because there are 1 or 2 honest WMs using that host - and they got penalized because all of the cheater groups in Eastern Europe happened to use that host too

[Berkut]

Hqhost is serving more than 15000 webmasters because it is one of the best hostings.
And 99.5% of webmaster do not cheat. Only 0.5% of them appears to be cheaters.
HqHost is a big company and don't meet cheaters and wanna get rid of them just like u owners do. So maybe u will better get in touch with them to discuss how to better fight against them.

But if u ban hqhost all u will get is having the same cheaters to use another host,dns, etc...
U will not decrease number of cheaters. But it will definetly make problems for more than 14000 honest webmasters..

[Cleo]

If you don't want your servers banned then maybe you should be a bit more picky on who you will host.

Look at these fine sites that you have chosen to host at the same server as pornolymp.com. :(
Afghanrape.com
Only-rape.com
Drunk-incest.com

[RawAlex]

Berkut, my theory is this: At the point that I am clicking decline more often that accept for certain types of sites, I start looking for reasons and connections.

hqhost has (for whatever reason) ended up being the host of choice for some of the most agressive submission spammers, junk site builders, and people generally wasting my time. Many of the sites I saw all promoted the same sponsor(s), and they were all attached to a russian based billing company that was resently marked as "bad" for different reasons.

When I suddenly get 100-200 submissions in a short time frame from different domains and emails all on the same host, all promoting the same product, all on the same unacceptable theme (drunk mom fucks skinny, 14 year old looking boy), I have to take action. I can sit there and spend hours trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff, attempt to find the 2 honest webmasters in the pile of manure coming in, or I can just ban the whole f-ing thing and get it over with.

What do you think I would do?

Alex

[skygsi]

One more question..
AdvancedHosters banned host?
Please list all banned hosting.

[DangerDave]

Waters wet, the skys blue, women have secrets, and hqhost is 99% cheats..


|rasta|

DD

[Max]

Who will suffer in case you ban "russian" hosts?
-Honest russian webmasters (believe me the lion's share is honest)
-"Russian" hosts. Concerning hqhost.net I can say that this host is rather quality and has lots of clients (honest and dishonest as any big hosting company has).
-Link Lists. You will need to delete thousands of sites. Is it really what your surfers need?

Being the part of russian AWM community I come across and suffer from f*cking cheaters almost every week. And believe me they are smart and stubborn. Those who cheat your link lists will easily move to american hosts and with multiplied forces will cheat you, russian LLs or anybody else again.

Webmasters spend their time on creating free sites, buying/finding content, design (personally I buy some designs and spend money), arranging recip links (after checking if they were changed), checking rules changed, posting to aprox 100 LLs (2-3 hours). LL owners just have to check free site (1 min). I understand that you have tons of submissions every day to check, and you see tons of crap, and you are sick and tired of that. But we together doing something profitable to each other - you get links to list, we get traffic. Prohibition of submissions from "russian" hosts will extremely complicate your work. Cheater will post sites from a quantity hosts and you will not be able to track them. IMHO the only reasonable decision is to contact Tornado - manager of hqhost and to complain about every case of cheating. I am pretty sure that he is willing to do his best to kick cheaters from his host. Nobody loves cheaters!
Thanks heaven the cold war is over and we can, we have to find common language.

Max Maul

[SI]

Originally posted by skygsi

Please list all banned hosting.

i'm sure know now hqhost is #1 in that list
heaven for cheaters and hell for LL owners


Max, respect in every aspects|shake|

[skygsi]

SI i know :\
Max Restect |buddy|

[RawAlex]

Max, there is no benefit for us to contact the host, it isn't cheating in any LEGAL sense (although some of them do break the law) but it has more about being dishonest - redirects after listing, links to KP top lists, questionable sponsor sites, multiple submits, multiple domains, all the end up pointing to only a few places.

Too many of them have paysites with regpay or trustbill on the end of them. Many of them promote "Drunk mom and boy" sites, "nature girl" sites, etc. There is a whole bunch of non-consentual and non-of age stuff going on.

I choose to list stuff that is good for my surfers, is enjoyable to them, and makes them want to come back and consult with me in the future for other good sites to check out. I don't want to send them to a redirect, to hell, or to a membership site that is going to rip them off, steal their money, or use their card information to produce white cards to go shopping with.

90% of russian webmasters MIGHT be honest, but the 10% are doing enough bad to cover it all up.

I personally blacklisted many russian ISPs as well, so I don't even accept the submits from those IPs. That got rid of about 50% of my scamming shit every day.

Alex

[AdvancedHosters]

ok, U banned hqhost...
now the question is...... will all those cheaters stop to cheat OR will they move to various non-russian hosts?
most likely they won't stop cheating... i think they just gonna move to other hosts.
so, does this hqhost ban save U from cheaters? obviously not. this ban just gives U few quet days... in few days all those cheaters renew their activity from other hosts...
and what U goona do then? ban entire internet?

if U want a solution - here's what i can offer.
hqhost, advancedhosters, maybe any other hoster install separate servers for LL posters. if customer from one of those servers cheat - he gets deleted after LL owner report even if his content is legal in terms of law.
this will ensure that there will be no cheaters on such servers.

this is just an offer. take it or not - up to U to decide.
at least this makes sence... simple host ban gives just a little delay b4 U got cheated by same cheaters from new host.

[Max]

sounds reasonable

[swedguy]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
if customer from one of those servers cheat - he gets deleted after LL owner report even if his content is legal in terms of law.
Wouldn't that be the same effect for the cheater, they will just move to another host?
The only thing different I see is that LL owners now have to contact the host for every single cheater.

"If a LL owner complaints, you will get terminated". Do you think it's possible to add that to a legal hosting contract?

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Linkster
Thats interesting that you would know hom much traffic I send - since I have never listed any of your sites?


ya but thats not counting the other 50 email addresses they submit from

AdvancedHosters its not just a quiet few days

you fuckin people are as much to blame as the cheaters themselves
when the cheaters burn through their ip numbers
what do you do ---- give them new ones

then you act like its our fault when YOUR dns servers get black listed

our sites get fucked up - you dont care your laughing all the way to the bank
you know who the cheaters are but since your getting paid
you dont care

only when you talk about baning name servers do the hosting companys come out and say a few bad apples ......

ya know who the bad apples are... you are

[urb]

Originally posted by Cleo

Look at these fine sites that you have chosen to host at the same server as pornolymp.com. :(
Afghanrape.com
Only-rape.com
Drunk-incest.com

Those domains don't sound very legal to me? |skull|

ns0.hqhost.net ns1.hqhost.net

********бъ********с********ит********???

[Berkut]

First, I'm not from the Hqhost staff. I'm their customer and just use this quality hosting along with it's perfect support and very friendly management.

But if u guys ban hqhost, who will be be the next ones? Right, another hosting companies. Because cheaters will move their cheating domains to other hostings. It might take only 30 minutes to move ALL their sites... ONLY 30 minutes to completely register new domains and move the content.
This is not a solution.. Obviously, no cheater will stop cheating after banning some hosting. ..

2 All Owners
I think a solution might be in dealing with Hqhost management. I think if respected GreenGuy or Cleo or another owner report a cheating occasion to HQhost support (who's always online and speak good english) they will close a cheater's account immediately
Anyway try to contact Hqhost support and talk to them briefly. Hit them up at ICQ: #1050994
Your assistant would be appreciated by thousands of russian webmasters and your surfers as well :)
Just look, how much good free sites are listed from hqhost.
We are suffer from fucking cheatears as well as u...

I think Hqhost became a "heaven for cheaters" because of it's mad popularity and quality. But I'm sure that its management also wants to get rid of them

2RawAlex: I agree that the ones who never abide by rules just pisses off, but IMHO, banning of the respective hosting would not solve the problem..

[Tommy]

it does work because untill now the cheaters and most webmaster didnt know that hq host was banned everywhere

on my site if you submit something from a banned host
it just says thank you very myuch
blah blah blah
so the cheaters dont know
and when they move to anther host they wont know if that hosts ips have been banned


what we need to do is get together and set up a list of banned hosts

if a host like hq host has to many cheaters then none of us accept submits on them and clearly state that on our submit pages

when webmasters see that their host is banned at site after site
that takes the problem away from us and dumps it in the hosting companys lap


and honest webmasters would know what hosts not to use

[plateman]

I agree and Hq will think twice about having known cheaters on there servers and I think most hosts should screen there adult webmasters and tell the cheaters to walk and they have some thing looming over them that all LL and tgps will ban a host..

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Tommy
and honest webmasters would know what hosts not to use

....... and cheaters would :-)




back to my suggestion.
in case of such cooperation in few monthes LL owners will have pretty big database of honest webmasters hosted on such servers.

but yes, it's easier to ban then to cooperate |waves|
but ban much less effective |sad|

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by plateman
....I think most hosts should screen there adult webmasters.....

how do U imagine "to screen" 20000 domains??? :)

[Berkut]

2Tommy: Cheaters will know about banning of Hqhost just tommorrow. And in 2 days they will move to other hostings. It is obviously
And when the honest webmasters move to other hostings as well, they also will not be guaranteed to be not banned cause of cheaters. That's why banning of such a big hosting is not a good solution..

I suggest to contact to the Hqhost staff and cooperate with them.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
how do U imagine "to screen" 20000 domains??? :) You don't have applications for hosting? No terms to enforce? No scripts or bots to see who is doing what on your servers?

If the answer is no to any of the above therein lies the problem.

[plateman]

AdvancedHosters - Well If 5 or 10% are cheats, just wait till the honest ones leave and whoever is left ban them and start over and you'll know who not to host:D

plateman

[swedguy]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
how do U imagine "to screen" 20000 domains??? :)
When new domains are added, wouldn't it be pretty easy to spot domains like this?

seerape.com
onlyrape.com
forbiddenrapes.com
forced-rape.com

All of them are hosted at Advanced Hosters. Even if domains are added through a script, it's fairly easy to filter them out, IF you really want to.

[Berkut]

Originally posted by plateman
AdvancedHosters - Well If 5 or 10% are cheats, just wait till the honest ones leave and whoever is left ban them and start over and you'll know who not to host:D

plateman

How can a hoster separate cheater from a honest webmaster? He needs to watch all his clients. But what to do if he got 10000 clients who post to LL? And 9800 of them do not cheat. Right - hoster need your help, owner

[skygsi]

Oh noooo, don't n ban now advanced. i'am only tonight start move my freesites from hq. |angry|

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Surfn
You don't have applications for hosting? No terms to enforce? No scripts or bots to see who is doing what on your servers?

If the answer is no to any of the above therein lies the problem.

1st think then post.
scripts to filter what? to filter who's breaking some LL rules?
scripts can filter only stupid cheaters.

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by plateman
AdvancedHosters - Well If 5 or 10% are cheats, just wait till the honest ones leave and whoever is left ban them and start over and you'll know who not to host:D

plateman

U really think that i host only those who post to LL? :-) :-) :-)

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by swedguy
When new domains are added, wouldn't it be pretty easy to spot domains like this?

seerape.com
onlyrape.com
forbiddenrapes.com
forced-rape.com

All of them are hosted at Advanced Hosters. Even if domains are added through a script, it's fairly easy to filter them out, IF you really want to.

as i know fantasy rape isn't illegal.
isn't it?
and somebody here mentioned that "drunk mom and son's friend" also unacceptable. it may be unacceptable. but it's not illeagel as long as mom and son's friend are over 18
isn't it?
so "illegal" and "prohibited by LL rules" are little bit different things...

[Surfn]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
1st think then post.
scripts to filter what? to filter who's breaking some LL rules?
scripts can filter only stupid cheaters. I should think?

Ok, I think you are in this for the money and fuck the honest LL/TGP owners.

I think you can't answer a straightforward question.

I think that it is your hosting and you could stop cheaters anytime you wanted to.

I think you are laughing your ass off all the way to the bank.

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Surfn
I think that it is your hosting and you could stop cheaters anytime you wanted to.

could U please explain how will i filter who's cheating and who's not??? do i have to download & print all LL rules and check every f'ing domain if it doesn't break some LL rules???
nonsence :-)

[Surfn]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
could U please explain how will i filter who's cheating and who's not??? do i have to download & print all LL rules and check every f'ing domain if it doesn't break some LL rules???
nonsence :-) That's exactly why your hosting is banned :D

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Surfn
That's exactly why your hosting is banned :D

nice answer :-) i mean very, very very cleaver answer :-)

[Surfn]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
nice answer :-) i mean very, very very cleaver answer :-) The truth is never clever it's always simple. :)

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Surfn
The truth is never clever it's always simple. :)

truth? the truth is that U just don't have an answer for my last question.

well, there's no sence in this discussion... good luck in banning various hosts :-)

[Cleo]

I think the question is why are there so many hosts not full of rape, incest, and cheating fuckers?

Guess these hosts must be a bit more picky of who they will host.

Good luck with your business model AdvancedHosters and may your mom get drunk and raped by the little boys next door while you join in.

[skygsi]

Surfn.
Hosting support must delite cheaters and ILLEGAL items. They don't should look YOUR RULES. It's only your rules.
Why MY domain's banned if i don't post bullshit? WHY? Can u say me surfin? And much more webmaster can say u WHY?!

[Surfn]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
truth? the truth is that U just don't have an answer for my last question.

well, there's no sence in this discussion... good luck in banning various hosts :-) Very good. It isn't your responsibility. You don't want to answer my questions but want me to answer yours. WTF??? Enjoy your raping honest webmasters by getting taking their money and assuming no responsibility for the crap you host.

You are correct, this conversation is going no where. YOUR hosting was, is, and will be banned.

Have a good day :D

[Surfn]

Originally posted by skygsi
Surfn.
Hosting support must delite cheaters and ILLEGAL items. They don't should look YOUR RULES. It's only your rules. Correct our rules. And you want to submit to us for OUR traffic. I do not think so.

[skygsi]

Why MY domain's banned if i don't post bullshit? WHY? Can u say me surfin? And much more webmaster can say u WHY?!
today i change my hosting from hqhost to advansed host. U ban andvansed too? Who will be the next? Give me list..I can't everyday change hosting|angry|

[Cleo]

Originally posted by skygsi
They don't should look YOUR RULES. It's only your rules.
It is our rules and our traffic and if the host would like their clients to be able to share in our traffic then it is up to them not to allow webmasters to be hosted that fuck up everything for the honest webmasters.

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
as i know fantasy rape isn't illegal.
isn't it?

There is no FANTASY in rape!

Ask anyone who has been raped!

hqhost
advancedhosters
realitychecknetwork

all banned here !

DD

[Useless]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
as i know fantasy rape isn't illegal.
isn't it?
and somebody here mentioned that "drunk mom and son's friend" also unacceptable. it may be unacceptable. but it's not illeagel as long as mom and son's friend are over 18
isn't it?
so "illegal" and "prohibited by LL rules" are little bit different things...

Any display which appears to be rape, non-consensual sex, or incest is in violation of obscenity laws. Plus, all of those types of porn are for truly sick fucks. No respectable host would allow such shit on their servers.

For a host, it is a huge pain in the balls to screen, filter, and perform spot checks on their clients. But the hosts NEED those clients and NEED them to be clean. Link lists receive so many quality submissions every day, they don't have a reason to deal with shit subs and their hosts. There is nothing motivating them to do so.

Yes, cheaters can migrate to other hosts. But for most hosts, flags go off when they see domains such as those listed above. I tend to believe that most hosts have a much better idea of what is on their servers because they realize that both the adult webmaster community and the authorities will hold them responsible.

[AdvancedHosters]

Originally posted by Cleo
I think the question is why are there so many hosts not full of rape, incest, and cheating fuckers?

Guess these hosts must be a bit more picky of who they will host.

Good luck with your business model AdvancedHosters and may your mom get drunk and raped by the little boys next door while you join in.

oh, another cleaver answer...
but why nobody can say HOW to filter cheaters? how to be "more picky"? how to filter that f'ing 1% out of all customers?


please, no more "cleaver" answers.... just one thing... in 2 monthes let us know if U'll have less cheater submissions... that's all i'd like to know :-)
coz after host ban cheater doesn't disappear... he just moves to other host... so would be interesting to know if there will be less cheaters on the net after hq & ah ban :-)

[Surfn]

Originally posted by skygsi
Why MY domain's banned if i don't post bullshit? WHY? Can u say me surfin? And much more webmaster can say u WHY?!
today i change my hosting from hqhost to advansed host. U ban andvansed too? Who will be the next? Give me list..I can't everyday change hosting|angry| Ask those hosts to clean up their act and get themselves unbanned. Until then your are THEIR victim. |sad|

[skygsi]

i know.
post to great link list gg, cleo and others
i shoul y dedicated server special for u?
Or evere week change hosting becose someone see every where cheaters?
U a crazy?
Why good webmasters have so much trouble?
Or may be better u say directly:
< WE DON't Like RUSSIAN they ALL CHEATERS!>
|skull|

[RawAlex]

here's the deal. If there was only one cheater in 10,000 domains, it wouldn't be an issue. On hqhost, I am going to say that AT LEAST 1000 domains are bullshit. Rape, redirection pros, etc.

No, we don't expect a host to be able to filter out all the problems, but individual webmasters cannot expect link sites to spend their entire lives trying to filter out all the shit to find the one piece of gold.

Yes, it is a bit like police using "profiling", but in reality, I have a certain amount of time a day that I want to put into reviewing sites, and I want to be listing more sites that are good, not reviewing and declining hundreds of shit sites.

The most economic thing to do is filter IPs, filter emails, and filter hosts.

If the scammers move to another host, we will end up blocking that host too. Sooner or later, the hosts will wise up and get a little more selective in the customers and content they are willing to handle.

Just one of those things...

Alex

[CelticTiger]

Originally posted by DangerDave
There is no FANTASY in rape!

Ask anyone who has been raped!

hqhost
advancedhosters
realitychecknetwork

all banned here !

DD

Spot on DD. BTW DangerDave can you say if you're pleased with your choice on taking only partner only submissions? Has it decreased your workload significantly?

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Max
Who will suffer in case you ban "russian" hosts?
Where the host is located has nothing to do with our decisions. I've banned hosts here in the States.

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Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
1st think then post.
scripts to filter what? to filter who's breaking some LL rules?
scripts can filter only stupid cheaters.
I'm sure you could easily do some searches for undesirable words & terms (rape, incest, l*lita, pret**n, etc) Unless of course, you don't mind having those kinds of sites on your servers.

If I was gonna do this kind of stuff, I'd search for those terms on Google, find a few sites, see where they were hosted & then get an account.


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Originally posted by skygsi
Surfn.
Hosting support must delite cheaters and ILLEGAL items. They don't should look YOUR RULES. It's only your rules.
Why MY domain's banned if i don't post bullshit? WHY? Can u say me surfin? And much more webmaster can say u WHY?!
EXACTLY! Our sites, our rules.


And everyone, please stop saying "the cheaters will just move to new hosting & get new domains" - I say go for it! Spend some cash on new domains, move all your shit to a new host & if they put up with the bullshit, we'll all just ban that host too. Then the cycle can start over again.....

Remember, if you're in a car with 3 other people & the cops pull you over & find an 8 ball on someone, you all get arrested, regardless of if you knew the coke was in the car or not.

[Fonz]

Originally posted by skygsi

Or evere week change hosting becose someone see every where cheaters?
U a crazy?
Why good webmasters have so much trouble?
Most of us are the same host for years now. And guess what, no rape, incest or KP on those hosts.. try to connect the dots...

Maxline, your sites will still get listed.

[Tommy]

AdvancedHosters
your lying, its easy to tell who the cheaters are

the guys that ask for ip numbers, the guys that run nameserver scripts

I am sure you know but just dont care in fact after your posts I am postive of it

and banning your host does make a HUGE difference in cheaters

WEBMASTERS if your an hosnest webmaster and on one of these hosting companys ... your not getting listed ...and I mean anywhere ...and by paying these people you make yourself part of the problem
MOVE to another host ASAP

TGP - LL OWNERS
if you listing these 2 hosts your getting fucked. Block their ip ranges and your cheaters will drop


Hows that for cooperation

[koolkat]

While I am just getting back in the links game and haven't had the opportunity to get spammed yet with all these submissions, I figured I'd add my input to this.
From the submitters point, I understand that you don't have much control over what content other people on the same webhost host.
From the LL owners, I can see where getting a bunch of crap submission can get frustrating. It is hard enough to go through the legitimate traffic, let alone the mass of crap as well.

Unfortunatly, for the submitters, I have to side with the LL owners here. I have been using different webhosts for about 10 years now, and I have never been on one which would allow content such as rape, incest, kiddie porn, etc. If I found out they did, then I would be transferring my sites as quickly as possible, because I would hate to have someone say... "Hey, look at KoolKat, he hosts on that host that just got busted for hosting child porn, maybe he is doing it too!". For any host to condone it in the first place is a major issue! After all, they do have to set the accounts up, so seeing something like rape or incest in the URL should be a red flag!
I know there are a lot of legitimate hard working webmasters out there, but unfortunatly these bad ones are making it hard on you. You need to look out for yourself.
There are lots of legitimate web hosts out there that will allow adult content, and web hosting costs are getting lower and lower, so it isn't that hard to move hosts if needed.
For those of you who have been banned... I'm sure the other LL owners would consider removing you from their banned lists if you simply did what they asked. This is beneficial to everyone! Without the link lists, some of you would get very little traffic, but the link lists also need you, so it's not in their best interest to have to ban people. But in the same breath, there are thousands of webmasters trying to get listed, but a lot small number of lists that send huge amounts of traffic!
Overall submitters... it is in your best interest to listen to what these guys (and gals) are saying. You have the most to loose!

[skygsi]

Tommy say me honest host list.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Tommy
AdvancedHosters
your lying, its easy to tell who the cheaters are

the guys that ask for ip numbers, the guys that run nameserver scripts

I am sure you know but just dont care in fact after your posts I am postive of it

and banning your host does make a HUGE difference in cheaters

WEBMASTERS if your an hosnest webmaster and on one of these hosting companys ... your not getting listed ...and I mean anywhere ...and by paying these people you make yourself part of the problem
MOVE to another host ASAP

TGP - LL OWNERS
if you listing these 2 hosts your getting fucked. Block their ip ranges and your cheaters will drop


Hows that for cooperation Tommy they can choose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Clearly they have chosen to be part of the problem!

I join with you in asking others to block their IP ranges, NOW!

[selena]

After reading this thread, I have a question from a somewhat new submitters standpoint.

I believe it is the responsiblity of submitters to make sure they are on hosting services that are legit and respected within the community. I would not build a brick and mortar business in a horrible neighborhood with drive by shootings and crack houses, and then complain about lack of traffic into my store. Nor would I expect a large shiny store in a well-lit downtown area with plenty of foot traffic to want to be affiliated with me.

It's your business, it is your responsibility.

But I do understand the frustration on the part of honest submitters. :)

My question is this...how does a submitter...especially if they are new to the business...check on a host? I mean, I just stumbled onto Webair, and they have been great. But what if they weren't? How would I have known if they had all kinds of nefarious business practices? Especially since I knew zero about choose an adult host.

I know there is someplace you can go and see if a domain is banned, but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community?

Can't you (meaning leading LL and TGP owners) establish some type of database or list of banned hosts, and link to it off your submit page? You wouldn't have to have an appeal process, just a simple listing. IE "Host XYZ banned by Link O Rama on 10/5/04 for hosting of questionable domains" or "Host TER banned by Tommy's on 10/7/03 for hosting redirect sites"

By doing that, you'd be offering a great service to honest webmasters who *want* to make sure they do everything to improve their chance of listings, including making the correct hosting decision. It would also give honest hosts a place to see what is going on on their servers that they might have missed.

Sure, you'd be making the information available to cheaters as well, and that might be a problem. I really don't know what kind of scripts or tools a host has available to keep less desirables from hosting on their servers. So the cheaters might well move to a now-respectable host, and ruin their reputation within the community. Or perhaps the host has every tool available to know these things, and can keep out cheaters.

And I know you guys/gals already have plenty to do. But you can't ban entire hosts often enough for it to be a major drag on your time. You'd just decide to institute the ban, would add it to the community list, and be done with it. No arguements, no why, just a "because I said so, here is the information, use it as you see fit" type of deal.

Just a thought or two from my not-awake-mind, and one that sympathises with both the owners, and the legit submitters.

[Ales]

My domen baned too! Tath's very kind of you! |angry|
I have stopped submit to some linksadmin LLs.

[swedguy]

Originally posted by selena
but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community?
If a newbie has got that far that he want to submit to LL's and found LL's to submit, then it's probably very likely that he has found some webmaster boards.
Doing some research on the host you are looking into on couple of the biggest boards will give you a pretty good idea on who you are about to deal with.
If they don't find any good answers, it's just for them to post and ask what people think about hosting XYZ :)

[ponygirl]

This has been a particularly interesting thread, & I just had to get my 2 newbie cents in...

I found my hosting by looking at the recommendations from a respected board, and seeing which long time posters used that particular hosting service. It's easy to get good advice if you make sure you're getting it from trusted sources.

To me this is a business, and with any business, it is your responsibility to research it enough to make it work for you.

There is enough of an aura of "illegitimacy" about this business without others bringing it down even more, and honest people are just trying to make a living.

[koolkat]

Originally posted by selena
I know there is someplace you can go and see if a domain is banned, but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community? I don't think there is a specific place, but a lot of times the LL owners will place in their rules if a specific host is banned and will never stand a chance to be listed.

[RawAlex]

The biggest problem really comes down to organized groups of people who actively attempt to work to intentionally defraud link sites in order to obtain maximum traffic directly to their sponsors (or scams, depending on the person).

Even faced with the banning of a host, they will move elsewhere and do it again.

We cannot stop them from trying - we can just make it hard to do business, and make it hard for those hosts to stay in business when their honest clients leave them and move to cleaner hosting.

Alex

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by CelticTiger
Spot on DD. BTW DangerDave can you say if you're pleased with your choice on taking only partner only submissions? Has it decreased your workload significantly?

Without question my workload has decreased and in short I don't have to deal with cheaters, multi submitters, idiots, or fools at all.

Some people keep asking why I haven't opened up submissions again to the public... and this thread is the best argument.


Selena, we are not going to supply a lot of that information in public, as it only tells the "cheats" what we are up to. In order to stay on top of them we need to keep many things between ourselves.


Tommy is right when he says hosts are to blame for a lot of the crap. Hosts taking responsibility for the people they host breaking their own AUP/T+C, and not going outof their way to help cheats would be the simplest and quickest solution to all these problems.

There are plenty of hosts that aren't russian or eastern european, that can -and will - get themsleves banned before to long.

Webair is a decent host... BUT have a look at the "stolen domain" threads, or the big SE spammer s threads and see where the domains in question are hosted?

Conepuppy/Cyberwurx now hosts a number of domains stolen from legit webmasters, and a number of large spammers... yet their dont bother answering their abuse emails?

No host is without scammers... it is how they deal with them that is the thing that separates them from the "good" hosts...

DD

[Fonz]

Originally posted by Ales
My domen baned too! Tath's very kind of you! |angry|
I have stopped submit to some linksadmin LLs.
Maybe you should read this thread first
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11604

[Greenguy]

Reading this thread gives me an uncontrolable urge to post on non-english speaking boards :D

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Reading this thread gives me an uncontrolable urge to post on non-english speaking boards :D You too? I thought it was just me ;)

[Tommy]

I would like to make it ABSOLUTLY clear when we are talking about cheaters

we are talking about viruses and spyware mostly trojans and of course geo dialers

this is not about crappy submits or 4 ads on a page or consoles
or removing recips or any of that small time bullshit

this stuff fucks up computers and when a surfer gets a virus from a tgp or LL they are never going back there

[koolkat]

Originally posted by Tommy
I would like to make it ABSOLUTLY clear when we are talking about cheaters

we are talking about viruses and spyware mostly trojans and of course geo dialers

this is not about crappy submits or 4 ads on a page or consoles
or removing recips or any of that small time bullshit

this stuff fucks up computers and when a surfer gets a virus from a tgp or LL they are never going back there I am so glad for SP2 for Windows XP since it blocks this shit, and you can automatically tell that someone is trying to download stuff to your computer. You don't have to go through that pop up hell anymore trying to get the crap to close!

[Iceworld]

TO GG If YOU baned my domans, may I delete your recip links on all my free sites? What for to have your links on cheater host?

[Surfn]

He's asleep for the next several hours, but when he does get to the board he will probably say "Sure go ahead". :D

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Iceworld
TO GG If YOU baned my domans, may I delete your recip links on all my free sites? What for to have your links on cheater host? Yes, you can extract all connections to me if you you want k.

[Cleo]

Вс******** в********ши м********м******** при****************д****************ж********т к ****************м

[Iceworld]

I don't understand what is "if you you want k."
I do it only, after you delete my sites.

[Tornado]

Good Morning Sirs

I’m a CEO of hqhost hosting company. Will reply everyone and try to explain our company’s point of view. Please strive to read this letter up to its end and to give a sound reply.

As it was mentioned before our company is the largest one in Russian market segment. Main activity direction is a cooperation with russian customers but in spite of it there is a great number of foreign ones among them. Moreover our company is an owner of some more Hosting brands developing separately from hqhost. Our offices are located in three countries. Staff total number consists 30 persons. But along with capacity extension, decrease in price, support updating and other positive growth moments there are some negative ones. During last three years I’ve been regularly getting a large amount of complaints as for the sites content located on our servers. Someone cheats someone, someone starts to mail spam, someone locates banned material, someone installs trojans, someone cheats traffic and so on. It’s a negative growth side. The more growth is the more number of those who wish to earn money without any additional effort is. In other words the more ranges are the more variety of chaters is. Would like to note all our customers have identical nameservers. It means from the very beginning we were dependent on customers negative influence. It was our fundamental position. We have never created hundreds of DNS servers and at the same time have never strived to minimize cheaters visibility and keep them back in great quantity of nameservers and brands.

Maybe our trustfulness is our fault. But I don’t think so.

Dear Sirs,
Our conditions contain a ban at some particular things according to US laws. We undeviatingly obey them and react in case of some troubles emergence during one hour!!! I’D LIKE TO EMPHISIZE IT! Only a few US companies may boast of such a lawfullness. Most of serious US companies mail auto responds such as “bla bla bla we’re so busy and don’t disturb us”. I have a great experience of dealing with such negligent companies. I’ve never got any letter from dear GG, Tommy, Cleo. It’s quite possible I don’t remember exactly but probably there were no complaints from you. You know it’s so easy to yell you confront with a great variety of cheaters all the time; it’s so simple to blame someone for your personal fault. Is it so difficult for you to write a letter or to communicate by ICQ or to delete those things you consider as illegal ones? If some day you’ll have a deal with us further we’ll certainly settle all problems together.

Recently some customers have got into touch with me. They’ve said have been honestly working for many years; have been spending money for content, design, support/promotion. They ‘re consider you ‘re their business partners. Neither employers nor the “milch cow” but exactly your partners! They install links on your lists at the same time increasing your SE rating in this way. They’re making your surfers more loyal prompting them to use your service time and again. Certainly I talk about honest webmasters.

I understand all these actions are only for money earning. Unfortunately nowadays money is the only value for most people. But I think it’s absolutely wrong position. Many of your webmasters consider you are if not a friend but your business partner then. You’ve simply outraged their attitude and work. Your motivation was: “it’s my business so I’m a unique master of all the situation”. Maybe my mentality doesn’t allow me to understand the actual state of affairs; maybe my previous business experience testifies it’s a some kind of nonsense. It’s quite difficult to give a simple answer. One thing is clear to me: your behavior doesn’t honour you.

Now I’d like to discuss struggle methods with different kinds of cheaters; which way you can be saved from them in. Would like to notify the following: hosting ban, IP range ban, domains registrar ban, outgoing Ip and mail ban – all these methods are not productive at all. It means you spend time at ban installation but next day the same people compel you to do the same thing. You should buy domain. Is it a real problem nowadays? You should buy new hosting, new IP, proxy or VPN. Is it a great problem for you? Many of cheaters act in this way.
You’ll never settle your problem by such wrong methods. The only possible result will be the following: their troubles which will not pay your personal damages.
I’d like to emphasize: using unprodactive ban methods you are simply saved from some quantity of loyal webmasters. In other words many of honest masters have just gave up on your LL. Many of them will find a new hosting (it’s quite possible in our company – will choose new brand).
But I’m absolutely sure: none of cheaters will be done away. All of them will just remove to other unoccupied IP addresses. My advices are very accessible in realization. You can settle 99,9% of your problems by them.

1. Put telephone number in partners registration form. After registration dial this number and ask is there such a person really.
2. Put data about Credit Card in partner registration form. It may be start up fee or something else. $3-$5 for partner identification by credit card. 3. Two previous items can’t guarantee you a full satisfaction from your partner content and his methods of work. So you should to look through some part of sites. But their number will be rather lesser.

Moreover we can be your partners and can help you to expose cheaters. Towards this end you may use our hardware. Anyway we’re ready to offer you our support and profitable cooperation.

Many people have said hosting company is personally responsible for its customers. It’s quite possible in some separate cases but unfortunately it’s quite hard to realize. It takes a great number of server resourses to scan, for example, 80 G html at one word presence. The more banned words are the more server load is. But there is some thing to do in such a situation. It’s a technical way which we’ll strive to launch. It will be our share for common business.

I've heard only favourable reports about you. I'm sure we can settle any problem together. Hope some day when you'll see
ns0.hqhost.net
ns1.hqhost.net
You won't check galleries at all but will put in your list straight away.

All URL appeared in this topic will be tested at legality


Thank You

[Cleo]

I'm sorry but I didn't bother reading your post since I'm not a Sir and your post started off with "Good Morning Sirs".

Maybe now you would like to do a post for the female webmasters?



******** д********в**************************************** ув********р**************** ********т******** эт******** **************** д********************************т ********ик********к**************** ********увств******** к********к р**************** к********к к****************д********
в******** в********в********шив****************т******** ********т********-т******** **************** ********************************ийск********м ************************к******** д**************** м************************ пр****************ит********т********.

[Surfn]

Tornado

Sounds like load of horse shit to me.

[Tornado]

Sorry Cleo :(
I will remember it.

[MrMaryLou]

Tornado let me ask you this when was the last time you looked to see what kind of domains you are hosting ?

[Tornado]

MrMaryLou,
unfortunately I havn't enough time to look through thousands and thousands domains :(
But this is my fault, maybe.. only my fault.
rape, incest and various form of traffic cheat absolutely prohibit by our tos. So I need a time to settle the problem.

[DangerDave]

I do not make any I understand this thread on all

DD

[Cleo]

Буд********т р********пс********м и кр********в********см********ш****************и********м ф****************т****************ии к********к р**************** к********к ****************ш ****************пр********т ф****************т****************ии
HQHost

[Tornado]

Sorry madam
I can't translate it at all.
english or german please..

[Surfn]

Tornado

Viele Lügen, die ich sehe, wie jetzt Sie zu viele stupids sind. Wenn Völker zusammen arbeiten wollen, mehr sollte sie. Viele Völker sind ehrlicher als auf Ihrem dummen Gastgeber!

[Cleo]

I don't speak or read Russian either but I do know how to run English through a translator to come up with what is probably really bad Russian that makes very little sense just like the Russian webmasters do to come up with really bad English that makes very little sense.



How is it that free hosts can police their servers and a paid host can't?

How hard is it to run a bot on the domains that you host looking for illegal domains names and viruses?

[Ramster]

Damn, this is a long thread. I was away all weekend and am not going to read it all.

HQ Host is full of cheaters and even worse, CP domains, animal domains, and inc*st domains. If you are already submitting to me then you are fine. If you are new and I see HQ Host, forget it!

My TGPs take no HQHost domains, period.

[Tornado]

Entschuldigen sie bitte,
Aber Ich kann nicht verstehen was Sie hier geschriben haben. Sie sprechen vielleicht irgend velcher Dialekt oder Hollandisch. Oder sie versuchen als Cleo ubersetzer benutzen.

Seien sie bitte korrekt und sprechen Wir lieber Englisch.

[Cleo]

Hmmm,
ntschuldigen she asks, but I cannot understand which you geschriben
here to have. They speak perhaps possibly velcher dialect or
Hollandisch. Or they try as Cleo more ubersetzer use.

They are please correct and speak we dear English.

English it is then.
So is HQHost going to clean up its act ASAP or is it going to wait until enough of its clients leave that it hurts them financially?

As far as the cheats going to another host all I can say is that there is plenty of room on our ban lists.

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Cleo

As far as the cheats going to another host all I can say is that there is plenty of room on our ban lists.

have you ever seen a hosting company get real big and like a poped bubble get real small

wanna know one of the reasons that happens

cheaters !!!
A host gets a lot of cheaters using their service.
they are getting listed everywhere etc etc.
slowly their domains and ip ranges get blacklisted,
the cheaters ask for new ips and the host gives it to them.
now TGP owners see them with new ips so they start blacklisting name servers.

with no other choice the cheaters move to another host.

the hosts ips remains blacklisted
Legit Clients cannot operate there, Cheaters cannot operate there
The company bubble bursts


this will - is starting to happen to HQ Host !!!!!

they are offering us nothin, All they are saying is its not our fault, we will do nothing about it, except cash the checks

A very Important point I would like to make
you might be hosted at HQ Host and you might be getting listed at 7 tgps and LLs and your making a few k each month and your thinking this aint so bad !!!

but I bet if you were hosted at Cone Puppy you would get listed on 50 tgps and might be making 20k a month


Tornado, you and your company and I am sorry to say your clients days are numbered

[Tornado]

Cleo,
Nobody can settle problem with cheaters on one's own. Certainly it's quite possible to discover illegal words such as (rape, ince*st, pre*teen...) but under extension of such words list server load will increase with a progression. Such a situation is unacceptable too. we can trace banned words at stage of data load into server. But anyway in this case there is a loophole for cheaters as they can use their scripts for content download.
We are able to launch bot which will analize domain names. In case there will be negative component inside of their body our person will look through content by hand (such a process is very serious and hard but we're ready to do it).

irresistible problem of content as such remains. It's impossible to analize graphical objects technically. So it's the only way - to rely on your assistance.

Virus test? It's quite hard to do it for technical reason. First of all it's necessary to have some basis, signatures, suspect files. Anyway total searching of bad code will load host strongly.
Everyone criticizes hosting but noone says which way to settle this problem in. Does it matter nothing for you if the same cheaters will work from other hosts in a week?

Please understand the main thing: this problem settlement within hqhost is favorable for you mainly. Let's suppose hosting will lose 50 mbs. But by the highest standarts it's a real trifle. But the problem won't be settled at all. Of course I understand some customers compromise all manager staff and brand as a whole. But hosting ban is not a way from this situation. Cause in fact it's our common problem.

I'm ready to help you with this problem as a representative of the first-rate Russian market company.

[Greenguy]

Tornado - if I go to a restaurant & order a Fruit Cocktail & 9 times out of 10 the waiter hits me in the head with a mallet, I'd probably stop ordering Fruit Cocktails.

If I'm reviewing sites & 9 times out of 10 they are on one of the hosts mentioned in this thread, well, I'm gonna stop listing sites from those hosts.

You're also only getting input from one side of this & since they are your paying customers, you're of course going to back them. If you really want to see both sides of this, go open up a link list or tgp, review 200-300 sites a day, decline 50-75% of them because they don't fit the rules that you have in place (the rules that you asked the submitters to read before they submitted) Waste time day in & day out doing this for a year. Then come back & tell us what we should do.

The long & short of it is that you really have no say in who any of us to business with & vice versa.

[Tornado]

Tommy, our business is not hosting for link lists only.
Daily we are growing more and more. Sometimes different problems appear, but we win authority by settlement of each new one. Hope we'll settle this one too.

Thank You

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Tornado
Tommy, our business is not hosting for link lists only.


yeah yeah yeah

Tornado: your host is mainly made up of theives and cheaters

mostly I would say email spamers and tgp cheaters

I have 17 emails right now in my inbox from tgp owners asking for your ip ranges

I have also got several more private messages and emails of tgp owners asking me to stop giving out informatin on this board
about ip blacklisting

if this had little effect on your buisness you wouldnt be here trying to defend your host

WEBMASTERS that use this host it is in your companys best interst to move

[Surfn]

Tornado

There are plenty of easy and cheap scripts to block unwanted files from being FTP'd onto a server. Who are you trying to bullshit?

[Tornado]

Greenguy, I’m absolutely agree with you. But the problem is in following: in case you’ll interrupt drinking Fruit Cocktails you’ll be the first one who will die from the thirst.

The problem matter isn’t in loss of some customers dozens but in such a case they will continue to fuck you again and again.

Unfortunately we didn’t control Link Lists cheaters number as for our great company ranges. It’s not only our fault, but yours too. But we’ll settle this problem (at least some part of it which may be settled locally). Promise!

Anyway I don’t want to hold debate further. As I’ve said earlier the given problem isn’t settled basically!!! Cause the cheaters migrate together with honest masters. Your problems will be remained. It’s rather difficult to treat patient than to amputate some diseased organ. It’s a fact. Anyhow you Greenguy personally may apply for my help by any problem (technical one or russian community contacts).
my ICQ 130756945

As regards unsound arguments as for us… Tommy, I don’t know you personally. Don’t know who are you in reality. I’m not well-informed about your resources. But I’m sure a person blames somebody without any proof is either a blockhead or a greenhorn. Sorry, don’t pay attention to my words. I don’t want to offend you at all.

Unfortunately I’ve heard about this bulletin board too late. The truth is that I’ve knew about such resources existence only some days ago. Of cause I was informed about TGP cheat but if you could read in Russian you would get to know my personal references as for Russian bord cheat. Unfortunately you don’t know me at all. So you permit yourself such words.

Surfn, Matter of fact is “unwanted files” is rather vague concept. It’s nearly impossible to expose cheater without any external assistance. In case you have some certain proposals as for cheaters struggle I’m ready to our cooperation.

[Linkster]

Originally posted by Tornado

… Tommy, I don’t know you personally. Don’t know who are you in reality. I’m not well-informed about your resources. But I’m sure a person blames somebody without any proof is either a blockhead or a greenhorn. Sorry, don’t pay attention to my words. I don’t want to offend you at all.

I would say by what you just posted you already have offended him and if I were him Id go ahead and give those IP number blocks to the major TGP owners - especially since his site (Tommys Bookmarks - you might have heard of it) is one of the largest in the world

[Tornado]

oh :(
Sorry man.
Yes I know about Tommys Bookmarks. But my main job is webhosting and local ISP.

Tommy, Of cause you have right to think so..
In case you'll give me a chance to improve the problem , I'll be very thankful...

[RawAlex]

Tornado, before you start pitching crap at other people, you would probably want to review ALL of your partner accounts. Have a look for child porn and rape keyworded sites names. Go have a look and see what some of your customers are actually running. See where they make their money, and then decide if you want their business.

Ignorance is nothing but an excuse for willful blindness. It has taken a thread like this that might actually threaten your business to get your attention.

Review all of your client accounts. Start with the ones with the most domains and the most traffic. Work your way down the list. When you get tired of shitcanning people for running borderline illegal, illegal, and dishonest stuff, then you can come back and explain how it went.

Until then, you strike me as just another whiney little weasle upset because he is about to lose his candy.

Alex

[spazlabz]

this thread is kind of a waste of time (yes I read the entire thing). There are some undeniable facts stated repeatedly here and the bottom line is this entire thing could have been summed up in 2-3 replies.
1) LL/TGP owners are going to make descisions based on what is good for their business models.......period
2) Any given hosting company is going to make descisions based on what is good for their business models

Both of those facts are irreputeable(sp) and justified. If it just so happens that what is good for one is not good for the other then there won't be any relationship between the two.
If the hosting company can't realize that the 'rules' are there for a reason then thats their bad. Banning a host and having the host implicate that the LL business will suffer from it is patently absurd.
saying a host can't prevent malicious programs from being uploaded to their servers is again, absurd.
If your a hosting company, and you wish to continue to host sites with names containing words that will be banned, then deal with the fact that your going to be blanketed banned. Change the way you do business or count on not doing any business with any LL/TGPs
simple


spaz

[Tornado]

Originally posted by RawAlex
Tornado, before you start pitching crap at other people, you would probably want to review ALL of your partner accounts. Have a look for child porn and rape keyworded sites names. Go have a look and see what some of your customers are actually running. See where they make their money, and then decide if you want their business.

Ignorance is nothing but an excuse for willful blindness. It has taken a thread like this that might actually threaten your business to get your attention.

Review all of your client accounts. Start with the ones with the most domains and the most traffic. Work your way down the list. When you get tired of shitcanning people for running borderline illegal, illegal, and dishonest stuff, then you can come back and explain how it went.

Until then, you strike me as just another whiney little weasle upset because he is about to lose his candy.

Alex

Alex I already send more than 10 cancellation notifications and I sure in one week all rape and incest domains will remove from our hosting. Some of domains disabled once and for all already.

[Tornado]

spazlabz,
I agree with You..

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Tornado
Anyhow you Greenguy personally may apply for my help by any problem (technical one or russian community contacts).
my ICQ 130756945
I don't have time to sit here & email you every little problem with the customers that you have - I'm trying to save some time by doing this, not create more work.

Plus, looking at it from a hosting POV, just because one of your customers pulls a site after I listed it probably doesn't break any of your hosting rules. Who the fuck am I to tell you how to run your hosting company?

Originally posted by Tornado
Alex I already send more than 10 cancellation notifications and I sure in one week all rape and incest domains will remove from our hosting. Some of domains disabled once and for all already.
It's very sad that you waited to be called out in public before putting this practice into place.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Tornado
Surfn, Matter of fact is “unwanted files” is rather vague concept. It’s nearly impossible to expose cheater without any external assistance. In case you have some certain proposals as for cheaters struggle I’m ready to our cooperation. I'm sure there is someone on your staff that is a coder. Have them add the illegal words into the script each users uses to connect via FTP. You can by extension or size too.

When you say it's too hard (impossible) for you to do it that tells me you are NOT trying to solve anything. |angry|

[urb]

Originally posted by Cleo
If you don't want your servers banned then maybe you should be a bit more picky on who you will host.

Look at these fine sites that you have chosen to host at the same server as pornolymp.com. :(
Afghanrape.com
Only-rape.com
Drunk-incest.com

Tornado,
It's been well over 48 hours since Cleo posted those domains.

If you were seriously interested in providing a reputable service allowing your customers to work as partners with TGPs and Link Lists, you would have taken steps with these domains.

You say you want to co-operate, but I don't see any action being taken.

[RawAlex]

Oh, and the sites should be "dead"... not just giving a 404 page or redirecting. You need to get those things out of your DNS servers and off of your boxes.

Even then, I think you are doomed.

Alex

[Cleo]

Having illegal domains is more of an example of your attitude then an issue with why this thread was started.

I'm still in shock about AdvancedHosters saying that it was only fantasy rape.

[KCat]

Damn! HQhosts banned? And here I thought the Q was for Quality...

|jester|

[koolkat]

I think trying to get this resolved is like arguing with a wall! I'm sure that Tornado might go through and remove everything illegal for now, but what's to say that once it is done he doesn't turn his back to it again. To even allow sites, with names with rape and inc*st, there in the first place shows the willingness to look the other way. Its all about the $$$. If that's the way he wants to do business, then let him! It will bite him in the ass in the long run!

[RawAlex]

Koolkat, it isn't just about the domains, it is about a whole attitude that says "anything goes, we don't care" - they only care when link sites and TGPs get together to block their clients, which means they won't make money from the shady businesses they are supporting on their network.

They each made their choices, and now they are having to live with the results of those choices.

Now they can choose to go away, they can choose to go straight and wait for redepemption, or they can scam along again, trying to hide themselves again amoungst the honest people who work in our industry.

We'll see where it goes.

Alex

[koolkat]

Oh I totally agree. Anyone who would accept things like that in the first place speaks mountains about them as a person. As a parent it infuriates me that someone would even allow someone to exploit things like kiddie porn or rape. If I were a web host I would be so proactive in preventing things like discussed here. Someone should never have to backpeddle to fix a problem like Tornado because it has just come to light! It shouldn't get there in the first place! It is totally understandable why these hosts are blocked from submitting, and legitimate webmasters should follow the advice of the the LL owners (and it might be beneficial for any web hosts to listen too!).

[MrHackula]

Hello everybody!

Sorry for the long absence. What a time to comeback to the boards though. |waves|

First off, HQ has been in our TGP's blacklist for well over a year. There are several others that have been as well. When you go from 1700 submissions a day to 100-300 and the cheaters fall by the same percentage, that is a definite indicator that you have done the right thing.

It is not true that there is nothing a host can do about this. Not true at all. I am not going to call bullshit on that one, I am going to yodel bullshit on that one.

I hope that Tornado and the guy from advanced hosting will consider implementing some of these ideas:

A simple script that runs on every box you host. It's function would be to sample apache log files looking for 302 redirect errors. When a domain generates excessive 302's there is only ONE reason for it. Have the script disable their account.

A good programmer could write that in an hour in your choice of languages.

Think about it. When a domain goes from 0 302 errors to 20,000 302 errors in one day, it should be really easy to tell what they are doing.

So how do you make sure they don't disable the script on their box? Simple, have the script ping one of your servers on a special port. Any box not reporting will be disable at the switch. Problem solved. |lightsabe

I believe you should be able to easily be able to ban .rape -rape and dozens of other words at your DNS. That would help.

A program triggered by a cron job can be set on every box that will search for bad words/files once per day. If you do it right, and make it so that it cannot be disabled without your knowledge, you will have no problem with finding people abusing your network.

If you have a customer ask for new IPs and want to give up their old ones, then they are cheating. There is no other reason. Get rid of them.

Monitor your mail stats. If a domain gets 1000 bounced messages returned in a day, then they are spamming. It really is that simple. Have a script turn them off. No problem at all.

Among the bad files it should search for would be the executable files for force404, as that is what most of the cheaters are using.

By the way, somebody should go register force404, since they let it lapse and it is available. |bananna|

There are other ideas as well, but they don't come free. Let us see what you do with these.

I would very much like to see you pull your host out of the hole it is in. It would improve the internet for everyone. If you don't realize it, a great amount of the browser hijacking and auto-installer crap on the net comes from YOUR service.

Your pricing is good, and you could attract plenty of new business if your company didn't have such a bad reputation.


If you have any questions, let me know.

To everyone else, Hello again!

Mr. H.

[MrHackula]

I almost forgot...

Iceworld, you are probably banned for submitting sites that have bad descriptions, bad category selection, etc. I know english is hard to learn, but you wouldn't buy from me if my russian were as bad as your english, would you?

skygsi, you are banned because your sponsors have banned you for cheating. Anyone doesn't believe me, go to:

http://www.pornolymp.com/chanel-amateur-hardcore/adult/

... which HE posted and click on the camel toe sponsor. You should see a message like this:

"This link has been terminated!

Please press "BACK" or type in a new destination to leave this web page.

If you received an e-mail with a hyperlink that terminated to this page, then the e-mail was not authorized, but was sent by a webmaster enrolled in one of our programs.
Since unsolicited e-mail is against our Terms & Conditions, their marketing link has been redirected to this page. Please contact spam@trafficcashgold.com if you have any questions.
Our Acceptable Use Policy can be reviewed at http://www.trafficcashgold.com/tcg_terms.htm."


So, why should I list your sites if your sponsor turned you off for cheating or abuse?

This is not rocket science.

I understand that things are bad in Russia, between the mafia and the economy it is probably very bad to try and make a living there. I am sorry things are the way they are.

HOWEVER, you must realize that we can't accept the way things are coming out of Russia. You should try running an english tgp for awhile. You would ban all Russians right away. It really is that bad, ok? Coming in here and telling us how we are all going out of business for banning hosts, or not accepting submissions from Russia is really pointless and kind of stupid.

I may be going out of business because IBill fucked us... Hell, in a couple weeks, we could be homeless. Guess what? I have had every Russian IP address assigned to a Russian ISP banned for over a year, and several of the worst hosts on the web... It hasn't done anything but make my life better. |bananna|

If you had come in and asked what you could do to get listed again, you probably would have recieved some help. Instead you chose to bitch.

Coming in here and telling us how wrong we all are is stupid, pointless and we are having a good laugh so please post some more, ok?

Mr. H.

[jaYMan]

Is it too late to get sig placement here?

lol

|couch|

[Tommy]

See .....
if your are hosted by this company. It is in your best interest to go elsewhere

but then again thats just the opinion of a blockhead or a greenhorn|jester|

[AdvancedHosters]

MrHackula, 1st person on this board who posts something usefull on this prob.

[MrHackula]

Originally posted by AdvancedHosters
MrHackula, 1st person on this board who posts something usefull on this prob.

Thank you. I got so worked up about this that I forgot to mention Advanced actually killed an account when I reported a cheater once. Something HQ did not do.

If you use some of these ideas, I think you have a chance to do well. I did not ban your ip ranges because you responded when I had a problem.

Let me know how you do,

Mr. H.

[Cleo]

On a more personal level I'm pretty disturbed by AdvancedHosters comment that fantasy rape is acceptable.

[MrHackula]

Originally posted by Cleo
On a more personal level I'm pretty disturbed by AdvancedHosters comment that fantasy rape is acceptable.


Howdy Cleo,

That is a good point. I totally missed that post. I believe he asked if it was legal or not. As you know, any bondage + intercourse = illegal. So the answer would be no it is not legal, since the "models" are usually bound or held down from what I have seen. With the knowledge that in the USA that is illegal, we will find out what kind of person he is by how he responds to this information which does answer his original question.

I have some pretty strong feelings on the subject of |skull| rape. |skull| We probably shouldn't go there now so as to avoid de-railing the thread. It deserves a thread of it's own.

Thanks for pointing out that I missed that.

Mr. H.

[Greenguy]

Hey MrHackula |waves|

The problems with your 302 scenario are as follows:

1 - there are legit reason for 302 - I have some on my domains right now.

2 - it's not "against the law" to 302 a site/page - it may be against TGP's & Link List's rules, but we can't really expect the hosts to inforce our rules.

[koolkat]

Originally posted by Tommy
See .....
if your are hosted by this company. It is in your best interest to go elsewhere

but then again thats just the opinion of a blockhead or a greenhorn|jester| Yeah Tommy... what the hell do you know! |haha

[MrHackula]

Yo GreenGuy! |waves|


I can appreciate that there are reasons for 302 use... I have several in places. The beauty of it is the number see example:

day1: Pages served 70,000. 302s=64/24=2.7 per hour
day2: Pages served 70,000. 302s=64,000/24=2,667 per hour

What are the odds of that by accident or normal course of events?

I have a more advanced formula in mind, but they aren't getting it for free even if they would implement it.

As for the fact that it isn't against the law, I don't know that it has to be. Consider what is happening with HQ. Once everybody simplifies their life by blocking every IP range they have access to they are really hurting. As such, it seems in their best interest to control the serious troublemakers that they host.

|bananna| Here's the really funny thing: They don't want the 302 freaks anyway. They only serve real sites for a day, after that it is all redirects which are almost ZERO bandwidth. The hosts can't make money on these bastards, so they aren't going to want them there. |bananna|

It really is in their best interest to implement a system to boot these abusers. No law required, and nothing to do with our rules.

A pleasure to talk again,

Mr. H.



Originally posted by Greenguy
Hey MrHackula |waves|

The problems with your 302 scenario are as follows:

1 - there are legit reason for 302 - I have some on my domains right now.

2 - it's not "against the law" to 302 a site/page - it may be against TGP's & Link List's rules, but we can't really expect the hosts to inforce our rules.

[KCat]

Originally posted by Cleo
On a more personal level I'm pretty disturbed by AdvancedHosters comment that fantasy rape is acceptable.

I know...he's missing the whole point. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. Putting up spyware, pop ups, redirects aren't illegal either, but they're not something the LL owners should have to deal with.

Why should you take the time to contact the host for every LL cheater you find when they haven't violated the host's TOS?

I'm not even a LL owner & I get it! I used to have a dedicated box at Rackshack & moved because that host was banned by a couple of big TGPs. Don't want to play by the LL rules, don't submit. But don't make a 7 page thread whining about it! |lightsabe

[Fonz]

Originally posted by MrHackula
Monitor your mail stats. If a domain gets 1000 bounced messages returned in a day, then they are spamming.
A few of my domains get 2000+ bounced emails a day and I never sent 1 spam mail in my entire life. This spoofed email thing is something you are powerless against. :(

[MrHackula]

Hello Fonz,

That is a good point. A very simple fix would be to monitor the Outgoing VS Incoming returned messages. You detect a ratio that is wonky and you would be fairly confident. Compare the message IDs on the bounces with the IDs on the messages sent and you would be certain. All this could be automated.

Mr. H.


Originally posted by Fonz
A few of my domains get 2000+ bounced emails a day and I never sent 1 spam mail in my entire life. This spoofed email thing is something you are powerless against. :(

[Tornado]

MrHackula,

Sincere respect!!!

Will do it now.
There are 4 programmers in our staff and they'll settle this problem very soon. The very problem is that we are not adult hosting. To be more exact, not purely adult. Some aspects are vague for me.

Tommy, I already said sorry.. candidly!!

Real sense of aforesaid is in following: great number of customers will never remove anywhere by many reasons. Main reason is quality. Our company works 24/7 all over the weekends and holidays. Our support team will settle your problems in a moment. Our bandwidths are rapid and our prices are at most affordable. Everyone knows only our best traits.

Many of our customers ask for DNS change. Or to add new DNS. Certainly we can do it. These DNS may be located in three US datacenters. They can be located there but it doesn't mean WILL BE LOCATED! They won't be located there!
We don't want to change IP addresses from time to time. We'd like to settle this problem last and all the time. Maybe each thread of this forum has its own settlement methods but I've first heard about them from MrHackula.

I'm happy to deal with sympathetic people.

[Tornado]

As for some domains which aren't deleted still I'd like to say we can't do it rapidly cause they're our customers dedicated servers. But as I've said earlier this problem will be settled within the next few days.

[Greenguy]

MrHackula - yes, a happy middle ground for the 302's might solve the problem - especially using those numbers that you posted :)

[koolkat]

Originally posted by Tornado
Our bandwidths are rapid and our prices are at most affordable. Everyone knows only our best traits. And unfortunatly that can be your biggest downfall as well! Cheap hosting allows a lot of the bads ones to get easy hosting. So what if I were to get banned by a web host which charges $3.99 a month! It's easy to move from host to host at that rate and really nothing to loose!

[MrHackula]

Tornado,

Thank you. I am just glad you are interested in doing something about this. When you have some of these in place, you should come back here and let people know. I will definitely unblock your IPs as a test of the difference it makes.

If there are questions about my ideas, you may ask them here.

Good luck,

Mr. H.


Originally posted by Tornado
MrHackula,

Sincere respect!!!

Will do it now.
There are 4 programmers in our staff and they'll settle this problem very soon. The very problem is that we are not adult hosting. To be more exact, not purely adult. Some aspects are vague for me. ... CUT ... Maybe each thread of this forum has its own settlement methods but I've first heard about them from MrHackula.

I'm happy to deal with sympathetic people.

[MrHackula]

Originally posted by Greenguy
MrHackula - yes, a happy middle ground for the 302's might solve the problem - especially using those numbers that you posted :)


Thank you GreenGuy,

I would be thrilled if they will do as they are indicating they will. For a skilled programmer this should be easy to accomplish. Now if they are serious about this they could reverse course.

Wouldn't it be nice if JUST ONCE, something bad on the net improved instead of just getting worse.

Mr. H.

[skygsi]

Cleo:
Please unban my domain pornolymp.com
i change my hosting.tnanks.