Made my 1st Free Site sale!

[Alphawolf]

I expected a tad better conversion with videos, but as it stands 1:375

Burned through 4 GIGS BW to get there though. And most people did not click on all movies.

I'm sorta torn between using vids or not for my next set of sites...

Thanks to those that held my hand through the 1st site.

I learned a bunch of stuff and feel I can tweak the next sites for better CTR.

And title it so that what people see and what the sponsor offers is as much in line with the LL title / description as possible.

So, I guess this stuff works if you put effort into it.

[Surfn]

Congrats!!! |bananna|

If you continue to learn it gets much easier :D

[Alphawolf]

Thanks, Surfn.

I really needed this sale for encouragement.

What is your opinion on movie site vs pic site?

[Surfn]

I can't remember ever doing a movie gallery/site...sorry |sad|

I get my numbers the old fashioned way :D

[Alphawolf]

Ok then. I'll go with pics and really try to get the best CTR to the sponsor.

Doesn't make sense to do movie sites when I'm sorta strapped and keeping an eye on my BW all the time.

[MrMaryLou]

Congrats of the sale |roses|

[Alphawolf]

Thanks MML. My Titles will be much better from now on. |thumb

[sadman]

Congrats on your sale |shake| And indeed, in my opinion pics free sites convert better than movie sites.|jester|

[Jim]

Congratulations Alphawolf
And, pictures almost always work better.

[Useless]

When I first started, I submitted one TGP gallery and managed one sale of penis pills while burning no less than 100gigs of bw. And that was a pic gallery. It was hosted on a 25G/month virtual account. That was three years ago and bw cost me $3.5 per gig for overage.

Ahhh...the memories.|pcsucks|

[grzepa]

Congrats on the first one !
I did one movie site in the past and it converted no better than the pics, so why burn that much bw ?

[Cleo]

Congratulations :)

Now go build one thousand more. :D

[CelticTiger]

Congrats....the first is always the best |bananna|

[Greenguy]

Yeah, that's the downside to movie free sites - bandwidth bills :(

But look at it this way - $30 for the sale - $4 for bandwidth = $24 profit :)

[chrisrock79]

Congrats Alphawolf!!!!

[tiny]

nothing like poppin a cherry :) grats

[Bill]

Definitely practice with pics sites. I still almost always only do pics. Cheaper, easier, conversions are just as good, you can experiment with sales concepts without risk.

I read a Reuters article recently tho that said that the US had recently passed the halfway point - half of american homes now have high speed access. I had been thinking we were still at about 65% dialup 35% hispeed.

I always thought that the halfway point would be a critical time for marketing porn with sample movie clips.

Congrats! It's harder now than it used to be to make a couple-three-four thousand juicy $35 sales a year, but it's still a great business.

[DangerDave]

Congrats AlphaWolf :D

DD

[Alphawolf]

Thanks for the replies.

About the movies vs pics thing this thread (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9678&highlight=what+converts+better+pictures+or+movies) led me a bit towards movies.

But yeah- I'll stick with pics for a while.

Useless Warrior: That sucks. I am glad there are boards like this to learn before ya burn. :)

grzepa: OK. Pics it is. |thumb

Cleo: So, you'll take a 1000 at once? ;)

CelticTiger: Yeah. feels nice. Not my first coin from adult, but first from free sites.

GG: It's $35 payout for the sponsor I'm using.

Never thought in terms of BW cost vs income. Plan I'm on has me at $1.20 per gig. So...$4.80 in BW and $35 payout leaves $30.15 in profit.

Actually, i like to think of it as paying for the hosting and then some with 1 sale.

:)

chrisrock79: Thx dude. :)

tiny: |thumb

Bill: I think this pegs it..."you can experiment with sales concepts without risk"

'xactly. I can crank out pic sites and not hover over the BW when the bigger LL accept me.

There's a thread about bigger banners that Tommy started. Yep- saw that article about half the US on broadband.

"Congrats! It's harder now than it used to be to make a couple-three-four thousand juicy $35 sales a year, but it's still a great business."

I don't know any different since I just started. Like 3 years ago free sites and galleries converted a lot more...or there was just a lot less competition? Both I guess...

DangerDave: Thx. You're avatar still freaks me out tho. :D

[Alphawolf]

BTW, does penisbot hang out here at all?

[bret]

congradulations

|roses|

good luck with your 2nd sale.

[Cleo]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
BTW, does penisbot hang out here at all?
Kit stops by once a week or so. Just do a search for his name.

[Alphawolf]

Thanks bret.

Cleo- actually just wondering his average time to review? It doesn't matter much...more of a curiosity.

I need to make more sites and mirror the one I have and submit to niche LL's.

[digifan]

Congrats, Alphawolf :)

I prefer to work with pics too... they can work like magic. And you can make cool free sites if you have enough tgp galleries.

[Alphawolf]

Thanks, didgifan.

Is your FTP issue resolved yet?

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
GG: It's $35 payout for the sponsor I'm using. Well, then that means your profit just increased about 20% :D

[Fonz]

Originally posted by Greenguy
But look at it this way - $30 for the sale - $4 for bandwidth = $24 profit :)
Didn't use a calculator for this one uh? :D

Congrats with the sale Alphawolf :)

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Fonz
Didn't use a calculator for this one uh? :D

Congrats with the sale Alphawolf :) Oh man - and I'm usually good a math - LOL

Ok - here's the corrected formula :)

$35 for sign up - $4 for bandwidth = $31 profit

Let me check my work:
31 + 4 = 35

Yup - that one's right :D

Now, I know this site took a long time to build & tweak & whatnot, but once you get the process down, you can crank out a really good free site in about an hour or so. $31/hour is a nice wage :D

[selena]

Here's hoping this is the first of thousands and thousands more, AW. :)



|newbie|
selena

[finnbear]

I'm a slow builder as I build everything by hand, I only have index.html template that has warning and 2257 statement text ready (without photo set data of course) and it usually take me some 2 hours. After that I put recips in place and post my site.

I have never built video site, only pic sites. I have fast ADSL connection and I have tested many paysites short video clips and even 1 minute clips sometimes still get long time to load. Of course I'm here in Finland and clips are far away.

Building a free site is not so easy as some webmasters may think. You must have recips in warning page, so that easily gets you building them more or less lookalikes. I try to avoid that making graphics: logo, enter link, gallery links, back link, all are graphics. I also try to use different bgs than black and white, althought sometimes they are best to use. And, I try to find new layouts and designs. I also often use same colors that paysite I promote have. Sometimes I use colors the picture set I use have. Sometime I use colors that are common to theme, like pink for lesbian, dark orange for Asian etc.

This far it has work well, of course I have got rejections too, but most LLs have listed them.

As Cleo said build at least 1000 free sites. Think about it: if you're lucky and every site makes 1 sign-up per month, you got 1000 of them. Let's say average pay is $15 - if you use both PPS and recurring - you made 15,000. Of course in real life not every site make that sign-up but income will still be good.

It just takes some time to build them, but that's our job.

[tat2jr]

Congrats on the sale. The best thing is it sounds like you're really learning as you go along. That's what makes you stick around, and make it in this business!

The great thing about free sites with pictures (that go with videos that are on the sponsor's site) is that you can promote the videos thru your links. like: "If you like these pictures of amateur Kim then you're going to love her Hardcore videos!" or what ever.

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Greenguy
you can crank out a really good free site in about an hour or so. $31/hour is a nice wage :D

|thumb

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by finnbear
It just takes some time to build them, but that's our job.

Yep. Time to get crackin' on some more...

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by tat2jr
Congrats on the sale. The best thing is it sounds like you're really learning as you go along. That's what makes you stick around, and make it in this business!


I'm a bit thick headed, but the older I get the more I realize it's best to just listen to what other people in the know tell ya.

[plateman]

congrats on the sale.. And many more

And you said you were looking for kit - wait till he lists it and you see your BW

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by plateman
congrats on the sale.. And many more

And you said you were looking for kit - wait till he lists it and you see your BW

Sorta regret using movies now. Oh, well. Live and learn.

[ReyRey]

Congrats Alphawolf Wish you more success.

ReyRey

[Alphawolf]

I logged into the sponsor to grab some promo stuff for the site I'm building today and discovered I made another sale.

Now that site is hitting penisbot and wetplace as the traffic from most other lists has died down a week later...that's sorta cool.

Do people notice a spike in sales over weekends- in general?

[Greenguy]

I haven't tracked in on a regular basis for a year or so, but when I did, I usually noticed an increase in sales (as well as a decrease in traffic) on the weekends.

I guess some people are lonely :)

[Opti]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
I logged into the sponsor to grab some promo stuff for the site I'm building today and discovered I made another sale.

Now that site is hitting penisbot and wetplace as the traffic from most other lists has died down a week later...that's sorta cool.

Do people notice a spike in sales over weekends- in general?


I had never noticed it, but just checked stats remote (which shows your day of week averages back to jan 2003) and it appears like GG suggested, my traffic is slightly lower on weekends.. and sales, particularly on Saturdays slightly higher on average.

Wednesday seems to be my standout day for traffic and sales... and Tuesdays appear the worst historically for what it's worth.


And congrats on your success Alphawolf.. :) also your timing is good to be getting started seriously right now too imho.. we are just about to enter the time of year I seem to always do best in, late September to January.

[KCat]

Originally posted by Opti
Wednesday seems to be my standout day for traffic and sales... and Tuesdays appear the worst historically for what it's worth.


You're the second person I've heard from that says Tuesdays are the worst. Cheap movie night gets 'em?

Congrats on your sales, Alphawolf! I've been doing too much TGPing lately & not enough free sites. TGPs are faster, but I definitely get more sales on my free sites, even months down the road.

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Opti
And congrats on your success Alphawolf.. :) also your timing is good to be getting started seriously right now too imho.. we are just about to enter the time of year I seem to always do best in, late September to January.

That's cool to know. :)

BTW, ************** sends me some nice traffic. |thumb

Just submitted another site to 18 LL's including yours. Get crackin' on the reviews, buddy! :D

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by KCat
Congrats on your sales, Alphawolf! I've been doing too much TGPing lately & not enough free sites. TGPs are faster, but I definitely get more sales on my free sites, even months down the road.

Thanks. I'm taking a long time to build my free sites. I'm ending up making my own big banners with some basic animation.

If a banner would tend to get any attention these should do it.

I actually prefer making free movie sites a lot more. I find the layout allows one to put some good ad copy as ya describe each clip.

Pics ya need to make the thumbs then link the thumbs to the pics. The horror. :D

Collecting the recips is still time consuming.

It's all worth it though.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
That's cool to know. :)

BTW, ************** sends me some nice traffic. |thumb

Just submitted another site to 18 LL's including yours. Get crackin' on the reviews, buddy! :D

:) awww c'mon! Kudos where it's due! they get done pretty fast these days! |angry| (compared to the old delay of at least 2 weeks or worse most of time at least) :p

and blame Security man if they get behind anyway! I only recieve the messages offering money and well wishes ;-)

[Alphawolf]

Actually, the reviews do get done really quick from you guys.

You cleo and smutlinks seem the quickest in general from the small sampling I submit too.

Security_man rightly rejected a site, I fixed it and resubmitted. Now...

SHOW ME THE TRAFFIC!

|afro|

[Corleone]

Congrats |headbang|